on-reflection-digest  Wednesday, September 22 1999  Volume 01 : Number 1876



gg: Sapphire bullets of pure love
gg: PtF booklet
gg: RE: Sapphire bullets of pure love
Re: gg: Re: Herb Alpert
Re: nogg: Chess the Musical
gg: GORGGed!
gg: Your tape...
Re: gg: PtF booklet
gg: GORGGe: D
Re: Nogg: Your tape...and Kafka/FZ
Re: gg: GORGGe: D
RE: nongg: Passport
gg: Voivod; butcher cover; Firesign; Noel vs Jimi; Dunlop; Doldinger Jubilee; Focus; Alpert
gg: Re: RE: mea culpa
RE: nogg: Bankok, healthy debates, violence, firsts, Leo Kotke, a nd MIM
no gg: A&M
RE: nogg: Bankok, healthy debates, violence, firsts, Leo Kotke, a nd MIM
gg: Bawdy album covers
gg: Re: Bawdy album covers
nogg: KC in Mexico file format
gg: Arrangements, HTM, Hands
gg: No GG: Movin' to Montana Soon
gg: Re: Herb Alpert's Cream
gg: NoGG: Bruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuce
Re: gg: Arrangements
gg: Re: t-shirts
gg: Fw: pH tour
Re: nogg: Bankok, healthy debates, violence, firsts, Leo Kotke, and MIM
gg: Re: Bawdy album covers
gg: nogg? GORGGeous T-shirts
gg: Yule Is His? (or Jimmie, Vlad, and Hermie)
gg: Re: Re: Bawdy album covers
gg: Re: Bawdy album covers
gg: RE: t-shirts
Re: nongg: Passport
Re: gg: HTM, Hands
Re: gg: Re: Bawdy album covers
gg: Bawdy album covers
nongg: Books
Re: nogg: They were coming to take me away but I was at work...
Re: nogg: MIM
Re: gg: PtF booklet
Re: gg: Bawdy album covers
gg: Suddenly it all becomes clear [was: Herb Alpert and a bunch of re:'s] Omigod GG content!
Re: nogg: MIM

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Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 10:28:58 -0400
From: Richard Hilton 
Subject: gg: Sapphire bullets of pure love

At 5:59 AM -0700 9/22/99, Tindall wrote:
>Lottich wonders about Whipped Cream:
>
><< Is there anybody on the list who's dad *didn't* have this?>>
>
>	Yup.  Me.  I bought it myself, being a trumpet-learning kid, 
>and grokking Herb & the Brass.  My dad did allow me to buy it, 
>though, giggling and saying "Wait 'til your mother sees this!"

In fifth grade, I played trombone in a band called "The Teenie Weenie 
Brass" with 4 other like-aged guys.  We did all that stuff.....

And yeah, Dad had the Whipped Cream album, and all their others.  I 
think John Weathers played drums, and Tijuana Taxi had a mellotron on 
it at 2:43.

Best,
Rich

- -  "My mind's a tomb inside my skull" - "Cabin John",  by Reid 
Genauer, Strangefolk

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Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 15:30:38 +0100 (BST)
From: Rik Beck 
Subject: gg: PtF booklet

Hello aGGain,

During my attempts to catalogue my music collection on my PC (hey, can
anyone help me with Microsoft's 'Access'?), I rediscovered my copy of
Playing the Fool. Inside the sleeve was a small booklet in black and
white (with a bit of red) with about 12 pages of history and photos. In
a quiet moment here at work, I looked for mentions of it on Dan's
Website, but couldn't find anything.

Without wishing to sound completely naive, is the existence of this
booklet common knowledge? Does anyone want further details?

rb

P.S. The new Yes CD opens well, but lacks something thereafter. There
     are nice references to previous songs here and there, which are
     fun, but I'm not sure about it as a whole. Any other comments?

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Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 07:57:50 -0700
From: William Tindall 
Subject: gg: RE: Sapphire bullets of pure love

Rich, "Surfin' Senorita" Hilton wrote:

<< And yeah, Dad had the Whipped Cream album, and all their others.  I 
think John Weathers played drums, and Tijuana Taxi had a mellotron on 
it at 2:43.>>

	No way, man.  Coco Roussel played drums, and the Mellotron at 2:43 is in Cantina Blue, pretending to be a marimba.  I can prove it.  It was a model GG-ixnay.  Very potent keyboard, but terrible spitvalve problems on the road.

What a bunch of great tunes, eh?  Partial to Sol Lake's stuff, myself.

Adios, Mi Corazon,
			Bill T 

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Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 07:54:12 -0700 (PDT)
From: "David J. Loftus" 
Subject: Re: gg: Re: Herb Alpert

On Tue, 21 Sep 1999, Steve and Terry Lottich wrote:

> At 10:49 AM 9/21/99 +0200, Frank B. Carvalho wrote:
> >>Yes- Herb Alpert was another one from that time period I also
> >>listened to.  In fact, his album Whipped Cream and Other Delights was 
> >>one of the first (For those who don't know, the album featured a 
> >>brunette covered in whipped cream, licking her finger, and  

> >>   -David Eric   ...mmmmm! My parents had that one too!   Frank    
> 
> Is there anybody on the list who's dad *didn't* have this?


My Dad didn't have it.  I had to listen to his Vanilla Fudge albums 
instead.  He did have a whole series of Oscar Brand "Bawdy Songs and 
Backroom Ballads," with subject matter concerning everything from heavy 
drinking and whoring to voyeurism, and a delightful Western ditty called 
"Blinded By Turds," which I enjoyed.  I also got a lot of visual mileage 
out of an album of medieval ballads that had a cover photo of several 
peasant wenches with generous expanses of cleavage....


David Loftus

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Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 12:34:14 -0400
From: "Marc P. Guilbert" 
Subject: Re: nogg: Chess the Musical

Noticing a few postings about "One Night in Bangkok" on here.  I didn't
care for the song when it came out on radio, but a few years later I bought
a used copy of the 2 LP "Chess" musical it came from.  What a pleasant
surprise!  It's the one "musical" I'd recommend to prog fans.  There's a
LOT of music crammed into this, many different styles get played (like a
good nod to Deep Purple at near the end of the 3rd cut, and some GG-style
vocal counterpoint on the fourth track "Quartet").  Also surprisingly
keyboard based, albeit mostly DX-7.  Noteworthy synthesized harp on the
instrumental track "Chess" with full orchestra backing it up.  Thoughtful
libretto by Tim Rice, also, even though the Iron Curtain premise is now
hopelessly dated.  True, it IS a musical, so some parts drag, but I still
play the C-60 cassette I culled from the 90 minutes of the album.  Be
aware, though, that there are 2 "Chess" musicals:  the European version
with a black cover, and the American production with a white cover.  This
recommendation is for the black cover; I haven't heard the white covered one. 

Marc

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Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 09:55:47 -0700 (PDT)
From: "David J. Loftus" 
Subject: gg: GORGGed!

My GORGG T-shirts arrived in the mail today!

I can attest that they are absofuckinglutelytotally awesome!!!

Maybe even fab.

Maybe even gear.

Thanks, guys.


David Loftus

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Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 12:56:24 -0400 (EDT)
From: mammienun@webtv.net
Subject: gg: Your tape...

is now out of my hands and into the capable and competent ones of the
USPS. Actually, one of the names I came up with for the band was Psycho
Postmen...the name is probably more apt for the OR list! Anyway, after
the GG ends on the 2nd side I included some mammoriginals for your
listening pleasure. The 1st is a rather tedious insrumental entitled
Crimes that osMoosIs and I collaborated on...it runs about 20 min. and
was recorded appx. 10 years ago. The 2nd is one my cousin wrote that I
helped to arrange and record called Back to Reality. I helped with the
backup vox on that one. The 3rd tune is cowritten by my cousin and I.
That's me singing lead if you can call it that! These 2 songs were done
maybe 5 yrs. back. You can always tape over this stuff if you find it
offensive to your ears...as I'm sure you will. Later, mammie. Let me
know what you think when you get a chance.

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Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 12:12:39 +0000
From: Diana Green 
Subject: Re: gg: PtF booklet

hail!
re:


Rik Beck wrote:

> Hello aGGain,
>
> During my attempts to catalogue my music collection on my PC (hey, can
> anyone help me with Microsoft's 'Access'?), I rediscovered my copy of
> Playing the Fool. Inside the sleeve was a small booklet in black and
> white (with a bit of red) with about 12 pages of history and photos. In
> a quiet moment here at work, I looked for mentions of it on Dan's
> Website, but couldn't find anything.

You lucky stiff! This is the first British pressing of PtF and that booklet
was only in something like 1500 copies, or so I'm told by hawkers in the
dealers' rooms!
    Of course, the content has been reproduced in the BGO twofer booklet,
but, oh, to have the original...

> P.S. The new Yes CD opens well, but lacks something thereafter.

    Well, it's nice that they at least made it easy to get it out of the
case.  :-)
still,
dg
np: Shawn Phillips: Furthermore
rp: Sandy Denny: The North Star Grassman and the Ravens

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Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 12:19:26 -0500
From: DE Johnson 
Subject: gg: GORGGe: D

"David J. Loftus"  wrote:
>My GORGG T-shirts arrived in the mail today!

Egg salad majente! 

>I can attest that they are *bs*f*ck*ngl*t*lyt*t*lly *w*s*m*!!!
>
>Maybe even f*b.
>
>Maybe even g**r.

Yes, but do you _like_ them...? (heh) 

DJ 

Douglas E. Johnson, Composer and Interdisciplinary Artist 

Please visit my website at: http://www.raconteurprod.com/

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Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 12:25:51 -0500
From: DE Johnson 
Subject: Re: Nogg: Your tape...and Kafka/FZ

mammienun@webtv.net wrote:
>is now out of my hands and into the capable and competent ones of the
>USPS. Actually, one of the names I came up with for the band was Psycho
>Postmen...the name is probably more apt for the OR list!...Later, mammie. 
>Let me know what you think when you get a chance.

(D)Thanx for the laffs, mamms! I'm guessing you don't intend on sending this 
(J)tape to 300+ people though, right? 

(D)Yes, and I'm 'proud' to have made the same embarrassing mistake myself... 
(J)...at least once. 

DJ 

(D)P.S. Just finished re-reading "In the Penal Colony" by Kafka...now I'm 
(J)ready to listen to...you guessed it! Again, after all these years...

...FZ we hardly knew ye...

Douglas E. Johnson, Composer and Interdisciplinary Artist 

Please visit my website at: http://www.raconteurprod.com/

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Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 10:45:32 -0700 (PDT)
From: "David J. Loftus" 
Subject: Re: gg: GORGGe: D

On Wed, 22 Sep 1999, DE Johnson wrote:

> "David J. Loftus"  wrote:
> >My GORGG T-shirts arrived in the mail today!
> 
> Egg salad majente! 
> 
> >I can attest that they are *bs*f*ck*ngl*t*lyt*t*lly *w*s*m*!!!
> >
> >Maybe even f*b.
> >
> >Maybe even g**r.
> 
> Yes, but do you _like_ them...? (heh) 
> 
> DJ 




Ehhhh......

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Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 10:46:33 -0700
From: Aldo Ballestrasse 
Subject: RE: nongg: Passport

Peter write:
Hi all!
Sorry Dan, you're not right.  The album you mentioned is called "Doldinger
Jubilee '75".
Anything else is correct, but my LP is Atlantic ATL 50 186.
I think Fred had the "Doldinger Jubilee Concert" from 1974 (ATL 50 070).
This was recorded live1973 in Duesseldorf/Germany with guest stars:
Brian Auger, Johnny Griffin, Alexis Korner, Volker Kriegel and also Pete
York.
Tracklist: Handmade / Freedom Jazz Dance (a killer version!) / Schirokko /
Rockport /  Rock Me Baby /  Lemurias Dance.
The Passport members on both have been:

Klaus Doldinger (Saxes, Synth)
Kristian Schulze (Keys)
Curt Cress (Drums)
Wolfgang Schmid (Bass)

Both vinyls are avaiable on CD published by WEA in 1990. I made a
compilation of my vinyls on cd-r.
BTW: Passport was one of the best live bands I have ever seen!
c-ya
p.g. :-)

Yes indeed Passport was very good the one time I saw them live. We were
a bit worried as the auditorium was half empty. Should have been promoted
more.
Thanks guys I just ordered Jubilee'75 and Looking Through

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Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 10:57:02 -0700
From: "Scott Steele" 
Subject: gg: Voivod; butcher cover; Firesign; Noel vs Jimi; Dunlop; Doldinger Jubilee; Focus; Alpert

>Voivod is not a dumb group...

aaaaah - just a bunch of hacks.  ;)

>Remember the discussion of whether the Beatles' butcher cover was still all that valuable?  The still sealed copy that was recently up for auction from Good Rockin' Tonight sold for $38,500...the highest price ever paid for a record at auction.

Good lord.

>"Well, you boys fight it out amongst yourselves."
>"Okay, Mother." 
>"Objectivity is subjective!" 
>"Not when it transcends a rational plane of thought!"

What a special comedy group the Firesign Theatre are.

>Bottom line, Noel Redding believed that Jimi Hendrix should have been working for him!

If I had dropped that much acid I might have been equally insane.

>Hey Daniel,be careful what you say about VOIVOD,you could feel the wrath of the Dunlop dude,he can be very nasty if provoked...

He really had it under control in his reply don't you think?  Amazing.  I really liked the part where he said you might not like Voivod if you don't like heavy metal.  That's really true.

>6 tracks: Compared To What/Albatros Song/Abracadabra/Jadoo/Ready For Takeoff/Angel Wings

I love this record.  Philip Catherine is The Man.

>I've been meaning to get Hamburger Concerto for years on disc!  Where did you find it??  1974 was a very good year!

I've forgotten but I'll try to remember for you.  They were about $15 apiece, not too bad.  They are mid-line remasters (by Mike Vernon, the guy who originally recorded them) on EMI and were imports.

>Bill "Where's my spoon???" T 

Just use your fingers!

>You can find it at Rockhouse  The CD can be backordered. It's called '2 in 1: Live at the Rainbow/Hamburger Concerto' and it goes for US$ 21.25 plus S+H. It's the cheapest I could find.

I got two separate ones for $15 apiece - this sounds like a better way to go.

>Later in life, my preference was The Baja Marimba Band over Alpert.

I liked them better too.  A good Alpert chart was called "Slick" - was that on Whipped Cream or one of his other albums?  - S.

np:  NetRadio acid jazz channel

scottst@ohsu.edu

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Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 16:03:43 -0700
From: "Frank Lauria" 
Subject: gg: Re: RE: mea culpa

From: Richard Hilton 


>>At 9:14 AM +0200 9/22/99, Frank B. Carvalho wrote:
>>Well, I went and close listened the section on PtF. It is in the 
>>Octopus medley
>>from 6:30 to 6:41. But I am now in doubt. It could in fact be a 
>>lousy amplified
>>violin through a phaser.
>
>That's Minimoog, probably through a phaser, played by Kerry with his 
>right hand.

Yeah, but *which fingers*???

P-Frank

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Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 17:31:15 -0400
From: Toby Trott 
Subject: RE: nogg: Bankok, healthy debates, violence, firsts, Leo Kotke, a nd MIM

Wacky Racontuers,

dashthecat@webtv.net mused re: "One night in Bankok":
> hmmm, it's early and I'm half asleep.  That's from a musical.... Miss
> Saigon? Or which one, I can hear the voice in my head singing it >snip<

and the Krautmeister responded:
>Well, of course it was half-Abba's musical "Chess" - with Murray Head singing 
>the great One Night In Bangkok. Not quite prog though, is it?

Really? I thought "Chess" was yet-another-Andrew-F*&^ing-Lloyd-Webber thing.
I agree, though...not quite prog.
- ---
I'm so glad to see the "did Kerry use a Melotron" and "Could Fat Matress have
opened for Jimi Hendrix" threads...we needed some good debates around here to
get the excitement going again. Have at it boys. :-)
- ---
Not that my opinion matters, but re: Boxing, Hockey, and most other sports that
involve bleeding, they just never appealed to me for entertainment. Somehow
the Henry Cow line "Violence completes the partial mind" speaks to me. The
rest of you are welcome to enjoy whatever bloody thing you like, but it ain't
my cup-o-tea. 
- ---
All this talk about first records, and first concerts:
- -My first non-orchestral concert: at age 12, my mother took me to see Herb Alpert
at Royal Albert Hall (before they knew how many holes it took to fill it). She
was soooo good that she got us seats ON STAGE behind the band so that I could
watch the drummer...since I was a drummer in my Jr. High school band.
- -My first concert without Mom: Almond Bros and Santana in Atlanta, 1968. I was 16.
- -My first albums: Rolling Stones "High Tide and Green Grass" (their first "best of")
and "Kicks" from Paul Revere and the Raiders. I was 12.
- -My first single: Impossible to tell...my brother had his own little radio station
so he collected all sorts of stuff. I think I may have bought "They're coming to 
take me away ha ha" but I'm not too sure. The first single I played a lot was some
folk group doing "The Man on the MTA" about some guy stuck on the Boston Subway
because he lost his ticket...his wife brought him sandwiches every day and handed 
them to him through the window. I would have been about 4 or 5.

"He may ride forever 'neath the streets of Boston. He's the man on the MTA!"
- ---
How come nobody here ever raves about Leo Kotke? Doesn't he rate as a talented
guitar player as much as a lot of folks that get raved about here? Not that I'm a
really big Kotke fan, but I have enjoyed his music, and he seems to have the chops.
- ---
And how come the year 1999 is MCMXCIX instead of MIM? Eh? Mammienun...you should 
know what with the nuns knowlege of Latin and such.
- ---
NP in my head: Slapp Happy/Henry Cow "Desparate Straights"...ahhhh Dagmar!
"Can hats favour fire? Can a hat aspire to higher things?"

Toby
@work it's trott@sas.com and @home it's tjtrott@mindspring.com
- ------------------

...world's a stage...play their parts...I have chosen "Badge Madge" apparently.
                     So, what the heck is a "Madge"? eh?

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Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 23:42:17 +0200
From: "Jan Dubbe" 
Subject: no gg: A&M

At 10:49 AM 9/21/99 +0200, Frank B. Carvalho wrote:
>     >Yes- Herb Alpert was another one from that time period I also
>listened to. 
>>In fact, his album Whipped Cream and Other Delights was one of the first 
>>  (For those who don't know, the album 
>>featured a brunette covered in whipped cream, licking her finger, and 
>>  For a 12 year old, it 
>>   -David Eric   ...mmmmm! My parents had that one too!   Frank    

Is there anybody on the list who's dad *didn't* have this?

SteveL

Well, my dad still has'n got this one and I doubt he ever will, having
turned 80 this year, but he still enjoys all of the great stuff by Burt
Bacharach, Anita Kerr, HiLo's,  etc. Anyone know Bill Evans (I mean the
pianist, famous for introducing the Fender-Rhodes with his truly great, but
totally unnoticed album "From Left to Right" - 1970)? There is still so much
to be discovered....And don't we all know that?

nd: Glen Ord single malt
np: Daryll-Ann - Happy Traum (great new album by Dutch band!)

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Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 15:04:37 -0700 (PDT)
From: "David J. Loftus" 
Subject: RE: nogg: Bankok, healthy debates, violence, firsts, Leo Kotke, a nd MIM

On Wed, 22 Sep 1999, Toby Trott wrote:

> -My first single: Impossible to tell...my brother had his own little 
> radio station so he collected all sorts of stuff. I think I may have 
> bought "They're coming to take me away ha ha" but I'm not too sure. 

By Napoleon the ... 24th?  Damn, I can't remember his number.


> The first single I played a lot was some folk group doing "The Man on 
> the MTA" about some guy stuck on the Boston Subway because he lost his 
> ticket...his wife brought him sandwiches every day and handed them to 
> him through the window. I would have been about 4 or 5.
> 
> "He may ride forever 'neath the streets of Boston. He's the man on the 
> MTA!"

Kingston Trio, I think.  "Charley and the MTA."



David Loftus

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Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 18:05:35 -0400
From: "David and Stacey Shur" 
Subject: gg: Bawdy album covers

> I also got a lot of visual mileage
> out of an album of medieval ballads that had a cover photo of several
> peasant wenches with generous expanses of cleavage....
> David Loftus

So, are we going to do a thread on "wicked covers?"  I've got a picture disc
single from 1979 by 2 English girls called Blonde on Blonde, who posed
topless.  Who's next????    -David Eric

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Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 15:16:15 -0700 (PDT)
From: "David J. Loftus" 
Subject: gg: Re: Bawdy album covers

On Wed, 22 Sep 1999, David and Stacey Shur wrote:

> > I also got a lot of visual mileage
> > out of an album of medieval ballads that had a cover photo of several
> > peasant wenches with generous expanses of cleavage....
> > David Loftus
> 
> So, are we going to do a thread on "wicked covers?"  I've got a 
> picture disc single from 1979 by 2 English girls called Blonde on 
> Blonde, who posed topless.  Who's next????    -David Eric


Well, now that you mention it, I recall picking up a copy of Humble Pie's 
_Thunderbox_ that had a (if you'll pardon the expression) stiff inner   
sleeve with warm color photos of young nudes in Penthouse- or David 
Hamilton-style soft focus.  The cover itself looked like a wooden door 
with a huge keyhole cut in the middle of it to reveal the soft 
folds of the lap of one of the sweet young thangs.

I listened to the album once.  Maybe parts of it twice.  The cover was by 
far the best part of the album, and it wasn't that good.


David Loftus

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Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 18:25:10 -0400
From: Toby Trott 
Subject: nogg: KC in Mexico file format

Wacky Racontuers

So, I finally managed to download the King Crimson Mexico file 
to my PC here at work, and I somehow figured it was MP3, but it 
says it is a special format that can only be played with that 
Windows Media Player which is NOT available for Macs. It figures
...it's a Microsoft product...they would never be so kind as to 
use any standard transportable format, or allow a Mac to be able 
to use the file.

So, does anybody have a clue how this concert might be converted
to an MP3? Short of that, I suppose I'll have to hook up a my
cassette recorder to my work computer just to have a portable
version of this concert to enjoy...I can't do much serious music
listening at work on a job that involves answering the phone at
random intervals...can't really crank it up, and can't use head-
phones. Life is  sooo cruel.

Toby

@work it's trott@sas.com, and @home it's tjtrott@mindspring.com
- --------
...world's a stage...play their part...I have chosen 
  Microsoft disparager or File Format Convert-ador

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Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 18:29:22 -0400
From: "Jerry McCarthy" 
Subject: gg: Arrangements, HTM, Hands

Gang--

One of the things I've always liked best about GG was their ability to
re-arrange their compositions to varying extents for live performance.
Some may disagree, but I've always believed that the live arrangement of
On-Reflection qualified it as GG's most heavily rearranged song for the
stage (not counting medleys), and hearing it again recently got me to
thinking. 

I've heard live versions of O-R that were performed very soon after the
release date of Free Hand, so I'm assuming for this discussion that the
song was never performed live using the FH studio arrangement (if this
is incorrect, I know someone will tell me! :-). 

As a non-musician, it strikes me as somewhat odd that a song which was
to be a concert staple for the remainder of the band's career would be
so dramatically rearranged right out of the shoot. If that was the case,
why wouldn't tBitB simply have recorded the "live" arrangement in the
first place? I've heard of instances of bands playing studio
arrangements live and, finding over time that they just weren't working,
eventually changing the arrangement for concerts. I'm not sure that I'm
aware of any other example where the studio version of a song was never
even attempted live.

Of course, I'm not complaining that GG issued the studio version that's
on FH. In fact, I love that there are essentially two O-R's for us to
enjoy. Just strikes me as a little strange, that's all.
Composers/musicians (which is most of you), please discuss. Thanks!


Jim Klocek wrote:

> > ... (For those who don't know, the album
> > featured a brunette covered in whipped cream, licking her finger, and
> > looking into the camera with THAT look in her eyes.)  For a 12 year old,
> > it was an eye opener....   -David Eric
> 
> Hoo-boy...parallel adolescence!  Gimme a spoon and I'll bring the pudding!

"How can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat?" 

- ---
A question re: the Happy The Man remasters just out on One Way:

This probably applies only to a small (or nonexistent?) group, but if
anyone who already had the Japanese reissues of Happy The Man and Crafty
Hands has also gotten these new remasters, can you please provide a
review/comparison? Thanks.
- ---

Brad (New Daddy) Oldham wrote:

> Last I heard, Hands was reforming and was going to play at, I believe, 
> Progfest.  Anybody know any more about that?  Jerry McCarthy, do you know?

Don't know. Haven't been in touch with Michael Clay since the Spring.
There had been a June release date for a new Hands album but that seems
to have gone by the boards. I presume the Progfest date did as well. Too
bad. Can anyone confirm? Has anyone heard from Michael? I know Kiirja
has tried but to no avail. I hope he returns to us soon.

I now return you to today's episode of "Find the Mellotron"...


- --Jerry (NP: Nathan Mahl - The Clever Use of Shadows)

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Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 17:38:29 -0500
From: Jim Klocek 
Subject: gg: No GG: Movin' to Montana Soon

<>

"Yes, I am."

Jim

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Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 17:44:12 -0500
From: Jim Klocek 
Subject: gg: Re: Herb Alpert's Cream

<< Is there anybody on the list who's dad *didn't* have this?
SteveL>>

'Twas my Mom's record.  She had big plans for my Dad.

Jim

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Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 17:41:52 -0500
From: Jim Klocek 
Subject: gg: NoGG: Bruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuce

<>

Was it a pilgrimmage to the sacred Neptune NJ, birthplace of the Boss, or
in Philly?

Jim

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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 00:53:14 +0200
From: Yehuda Kotton 
Subject: Re: gg: Arrangements

Jerry McCarthy wrote:

> As a non-musician, it strikes me as somewhat odd that a song which was
> to be a concert staple for the remainder of the band's career would be
> so dramatically rearranged right out of the shoot. If that was the case,
> why wouldn't tBitB simply have recorded the "live" arrangement in the
> first place? I've heard of instances of bands playing studio

 My thoughts on this was that they changed the arrangement because Kerry
didn't/couldn't/wouldn't sing his lead vocals live. It probably wouldn't
have worked out for Derek to sing Kerry's lead: "I'll remember the good
things how can you forget..." so they arranged that part for string
quartet (or whatever that is).

Yehuda

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Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 19:40:39 -0400
From: r-n-kworthy 
Subject: gg: Re: t-shirts

I got home from work today and lo and behold 2 fantastic t-shirts were in my
mailbox. Thanx Nick. they are worth double what you asked. My wife saw 2 and
said Oh you got me one too. I looked at her and said Nope they're both mine.
Then I proceeded to duck so the pan wouldnt hit me.
Once again Great job Nick and many thanks

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Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 20:08:30 -0400
From: "drj_saro" 
Subject: gg: Fw: pH tour

- -----Original Message-----
From: Saroka, Julius 
To: 'ph7@arastar.com' 
Date: Wednesday, September 22, 1999 5:07 PM
Subject: pH tour


>i have the oppotunity to try to convince a local venue to add a Hammill
show
>to their schedule.
>i would like to get some idea of if it is worth the effort that it will
take
>to try to set this up.
>will anyone that is willing to come to the Cleveland/Akron OHIO area in
>early November for a pH-show please send  a _private_ e-mail to my account
>at dr_jstrange@hotmail.com by the end of next week, so that i can show the
>booking agent that there _is_ enough interest to try to do this.
>
>
>thank you for your time and attention;
>Julius J SAROKA
>Test Development Engineer
>Aironet Wireless Communication, Inc. (MFG)
>91 Springside Drive
>Akron, OHIO   44333
>phone: 330-664-7369
>fax: 330-664-7855
>

thank you for your time and attention.

Julius J. SAROKA
drj_saro@neo.rr.com
Cuyahoga Falls OHIO

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Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 20:13:34 -0400
From: "drj_saro" 
Subject: Re: nogg: Bankok, healthy debates, violence, firsts, Leo Kotke, and MIM

>---
>How come nobody here ever raves about Leo Kotke? Doesn't he rate as a
talented
>guitar player as much as a lot of folks that get raved about here? Not that
I'm a
>really big Kotke fan, but I have enjoyed his music, and he seems to have
the chops.
>---


i'm a big Kottke fan - if you ever get the op to see him live GO!
he is a _real_ comedian too - the first time i saw him, he told a story
about some German Count who had an ether jones and i almost collapsed a lung
laughing.

thank you for your time and attention.

Julius J. SAROKA
drj_saro@neo.rr.com
Cuyahoga Falls OHIO

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Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 20:15:25 -0400
From: "drj_saro" 
Subject: gg: Re: Bawdy album covers

there was a band called Mama Lion that had a buxom wench playing wet-nurse
to a real lion cub, and then Roxy Music "Country life", and that's all that
cum to mind right now....

thank you for your time and attention.

Julius J. SAROKA
drj_saro@neo.rr.com
Cuyahoga Falls OHIO

- -----Original Message-----
From: David and Stacey Shur 
To: David J. Loftus ; Steve and Terry Lottich

Cc: Frank B. Carvalho ; casglatze@t-online.de
; on-reflection@darkwing. uoregon. edu (E-mail)

Date: Wednesday, September 22, 1999 6:17 PM
Subject: gg: Bawdy album covers


>> I also got a lot of visual mileage
>> out of an album of medieval ballads that had a cover photo of several
>> peasant wenches with generous expanses of cleavage....
>> David Loftus
>
>So, are we going to do a thread on "wicked covers?"  I've got a picture
disc
>single from 1979 by 2 English girls called Blonde on Blonde, who posed
>topless.  Who's next????    -David Eric
>
>

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Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 20:26:59 +0000
From: Toby Trott 
Subject: gg: nogg? GORGGeous T-shirts

Wacky Racontuers,

     I came home to find a package from Nick in my mail this evening.
I must have looked like a kid at Christmas ripping the package open
right there at the mailbox, and sure enough inside were my two GORGG
T-shirts.
     Huzzah and Kudos to Nick for an excellent design and a great job
on these wearable collectors artworks.
     This is O-R at it's best: talented folks sharing their talents
with a very appreciative audience. NYC ain't gonna know what hit them!

np: Star Trek Voyager...hey, I can't help myself...it's the season 
   premier and the conclusion to last years cliff hanger.

Toby
@home it's tjtrott@mindspring.com, @work it's trott@sas.com
- ----
...world's a stage...play their part...I am Beau Brummel in my GORGG T

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Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 19:30:59 -0500
From: DE Johnson 
Subject: gg: Yule Is His? (or Jimmie, Vlad, and Hermie)

I can not aGGree with the statement that "Ulysses" is the best book 
_ever_ written in the English language, because I have not read all 
of the boox written in the English language. Also, I prefer several 
other authors to Joyce. His style worx on many levels, but is not 
satisfying enough to me. As I have stated before, I prefer several 
other authors to Joyce, Nabokov and Melville being among them.

Douglas E. Johnson, Composer and Interdisciplinary Artist 

Please visit my website at: http://www.raconteurprod.com/

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Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 21:53:50 -0400
From: "Drew W. Eaton" 
Subject: gg: Re: Re: Bawdy album covers

How about Juicy Lucy?
Drew

- -----Original Message-----
From: drj_saro 
To: David and Stacey Shur 
Cc: *On Reflection 
Date: Wednesday, September 22, 1999 8:51 PM
Subject: gg: Re: Bawdy album covers


>there was a band called Mama Lion that had a buxom wench playing wet-nurse
>to a real lion cub, and then Roxy Music "Country life", and that's all that
>cum to mind right now....
>
>thank you for your time and attention.
>
>Julius J. SAROKA
>drj_saro@neo.rr.com
>Cuyahoga Falls OHIO
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: David and Stacey Shur 
>To: David J. Loftus ; Steve and Terry Lottich
>
>Cc: Frank B. Carvalho ; casglatze@t-online.de
>; on-reflection@darkwing. uoregon. edu (E-mail)
>
>Date: Wednesday, September 22, 1999 6:17 PM
>Subject: gg: Bawdy album covers
>
>
>>> I also got a lot of visual mileage
>>> out of an album of medieval ballads that had a cover photo of several
>>> peasant wenches with generous expanses of cleavage....
>>> David Loftus
>>
>>So, are we going to do a thread on "wicked covers?"  I've got a picture
>disc
>>single from 1979 by 2 English girls called Blonde on Blonde, who posed
>>topless.  Who's next????    -David Eric
>>
>>

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Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 21:46:39 -0400
From: "David and Stacey Shur" 
Subject: gg: Re: Bawdy album covers

Let's not forget the English Hendrix album version of Electric Ladyland.  I
also have the Roxy Music Country Life album.  Forgot about Mama
ion.  -David Eric

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Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 19:08:32 -0700
From: William Tindall 
Subject: gg: RE: t-shirts

Haha!
	I got mine today, too, but I told Steph that one of them was hers.  Time will tell...I'm not *that* dumb.  Jeez, Rich, honestly.  ;^)
	Thanks, Nicko.  Them raisins done ya good.  "Skratch..skritchity skritchity skritch skritch".  Nice work, man.

Bill "As dumb as I look" T

- -----Original Message-----
From:	r-n-kworthy 
Sent:	Wednesday, September 22, 1999 4:41 PM
To:	William Tindall; 'on-reflection@darkwing. uoregon. edu (E-mail)'
Subject:	Re: t-shirts

I got home from work today and lo and behold 2 fantastic t-shirts were in my
mailbox. Thanx Nick. they are worth double what you asked. My wife saw 2 and
said Oh you got me one too. I looked at her and said Nope they're both mine.
Then I proceeded to duck so the pan wouldnt hit me.
Once again Great job Nick and many thanks

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Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 21:34:28 EDT
From: Claudio666@aol.com
Subject: Re: nongg: Passport

In a message dated 9/22/99 10:03:43 AM Mountain Daylight Time, 
peter.gelhaus@debitel.net writes:

<< Sorry Dan, you're not right.  The album you mentioned is called "Doldinger
 Jubilee '75".
 Anything else is correct, but my LP is Atlantic ATL 50 186.
 I think Fred had the "Doldinger Jubilee Concert" from 1974 (ATL 50 070).
 This was recorded live1973 in Duesseldorf/Germany with guest stars:
 Brian Auger, Johnny Griffin, Alexis Korner, Volker Kriegel and also Pete
 York. >>

Damn! That's TWICE this year I've been wrong!  This one I've never seen. LOVE 
Auger on the Hammond & Rhodes.  I'm gonna have to go find this one! Thanks 
for the info Peter!

Dan 66

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Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 22:09:23 EDT
From: Claudio666@aol.com
Subject: Re: gg: HTM, Hands

In a message dated 9/22/99 4:37:54 PM Mountain Daylight Time, jerry@aip.org 
writes:

<< This probably applies only to a small (or nonexistent?) group, but if
 anyone who already had the Japanese reissues of Happy The Man and Crafty
 Hands has also gotten these new remasters, can you please provide a
 review/comparison?  >>

Well, I have only the vinyl, but Wayside states: "Previously available only 
as pricey Japanese imports, the sound has been reworked for improved 
listening."  So I'm sure they'll be very nice (and @$10, a mega-bargain!) but 
it's been my experience that one just can't compete w/the Japanese on these 
things...

Dan 6666

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Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 22:23:04 -0400 (EDT)
From: mammienun@webtv.net
Subject: Re: gg: Re: Bawdy album covers

I always thought the sleeve from Alan White's Ramshackled was really
cool. Mammbo.

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Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 22:23:39 -0400
From: "David and Stacey Shur" 
Subject: gg: Bawdy album covers

> I always thought the sleeve from Alan White's Ramshackled was really
> cool. Mammbo.

Description, please.  -David Eric

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Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 22:14:56 EDT
From: Claudio666@aol.com
Subject: nongg: Books

If anyone is interested in HARD Sci-fi, micro-biology, genetics and evolution 
theory, check out my current read "Darwin's Radio" by Greg Bear.  This thing 
sometimes reads like a textbook but has a compelling storyline.  Bear is a 
monster.

Dan 3x2

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Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 22:04:03 EDT
From: Claudio666@aol.com
Subject: Re: nogg: They were coming to take me away but I was at work...

In a message dated 9/22/99 4:14:23 PM Mountain Daylight Time, 
dloft@netcom.com writes:

<< By Napoleon the ... 24th?  Damn, I can't remember his number. >>

Napoleon the 13th as I recall...

Dan (XIII - VII)

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Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 22:02:13 EDT
From: Claudio666@aol.com
Subject: Re: nogg: MIM

In a message dated 9/22/99 3:56:42 PM Mountain Daylight Time, 
trott@wnt.sas.com writes:

<< And how come the year 1999 is MCMXCIX instead of MIM?  >>

For all you Roman Numeral fans, it's my understanding that you can use the 
"I" in front of the X, V, L or C but not the D or the M. 

Dan VI 

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Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 21:58:36 EDT
From: Claudio666@aol.com
Subject: Re: gg: PtF booklet

In a message dated 9/22/99 11:17:02 AM Mountain Daylight Time, 
dgreen2@earthlink.net writes:

<< You lucky stiff! This is the first British pressing of PtF and that booklet
 was only in something like 1500 copies, or so I'm told by hawkers in the
 dealers' rooms!
     Of course, the content has been reproduced in the BGO twofer booklet,
 but, oh, to have the original... >>

That number sounds low, as I got one as an import upon release in Colorado 
when I was working in retail vinyl.  I ordered 5, and all of em had one...but 
maybe I was just another lucky stiff!

Dan 2x3

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Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 23:38:51 -0400 (EDT)
From: mammienun@webtv.net
Subject: Re: gg: Bawdy album covers

Alan White's solo lp had a really nice piece of artwork on the
sleeve..not the jacket. It's a picture of an old man...a profile bust if
you will. His head is made up of nude women. Not really bawdy...more
artsy. My jap import cd (which BTW is autographed by AW) has the picture
on a separate insert. The artist was Henry Hodgson. Wish I could give
you a better descript...mammiedon'tknownun.

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Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 23:35:18 -0400
From: "Nick" 
Subject: gg: Suddenly it all becomes clear [was: Herb Alpert and a bunch of re:'s] Omigod GG content!

David J. Loftus explains the secret of life:

>. . . .my Dad didn't have it.  I had to listen to his Vanilla Fudge albums
instead.

And much is explained!

But seriously a small part of me is certain that hearing "You keep me
hanging on" was a small, but significant life-changing experience, at least
in regards to music -- Wow -- dig that Hammond!


NP: Blinker The Star - new CD on DreamWorks - their third and jumping up
into my top ten for the year rapidly. Now to dig out the old ones again!

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Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 23:47:11 -0400 (EDT)
From: mammienun@webtv.net
Subject: Re: nogg: MIM

Even if I were well versed in Latin, it woudn't have helped me nun here.
They're Roman numerals...duh! MIMienun.

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