on-reflection-digest  Wednesday, September 29 1999  Volume 01 : Number 1886



gg: Re: on-reflection-digest V1 #1884
gg: are you a good witch or a bad witch?
Re: gg: a possible purchase?
gg: Obsolescence
gg: Tools of the Trade, part 567483
Re: gg: Tools of the Trade, part 567483
Re: gg: re: mellotrons &Strawberry Fields Forever
gg: no GG:  KC live in Mex. technical question
Re: gg: Tools of the Trade, part 567483
Re: gg: v-bert in hospital; Julian's cat
Re: gg: hello to a Newby!
gg: re: to Strawberry Fields
gg: Brunel; Deep Purple!!; new Yes; Giant Tracks
gg: Spock
gg: KC PC to CD
gg: Viva l'Ebay
Re: gg: Music for a 9 year old
Re: gg: Viva l'Ebay
gg: RE: Re: King Crimson: Live in Mexico City
Re: gg: Re: "The Fragile"
gg: Genesis reunion
Re: gg: KC PC to CD
gg: Welcome to a Newby; V-Bert and GGetToGGether
gg: Genesis - Turn It On Again : The Hits
gg: Re: Genesis - Turn It On Again : The Hits
Re: nongg: Hammers and tools part #666
gg: RE: Re: Genesis - Turn It On Again : The Hits
Re: nongg: Gryphon Newby
gg: Genesix
gg: Yes, "The Ladder"
gg: Carpet Crawlers 1999
Re: gg: Yes, "The Ladder"
Re: gg: Yes, "The Ladder"
gg: "Talk" and "Open Your Eyes"
gg: Jazz Banjo?
Re: gg: Carpet Crawlers 1999
gg: GG: Voivod, Gryphon, Bert, Mellotron, GGG
gg: Collage vs development (re: geir's post)
Re: gg: Collage vs development (re: geir's post)
no gg: v-bert still in hospital - give him a call
gg: Assembly line music
RE: gg: Collage vs development (re: geir's post)
gg: Re: GG: Voivod, Gryphon, Bert, Mellotron, GGG

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Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 09:11:14 -0400 (EDT)
From: dashthecat@webtv.net
Subject: gg: Re: on-reflection-digest V1 #1884

I have received so much great information on the mellotron, and lots of
examples of what to listen for... Any examples of other unique or
special instruments you all would like to share?

By the way... thanks to each and every one of you that responded... it's
been wonderful reading everything that was sent.

Kathy

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Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 09:30:13 -0400
From: Richard Hilton 
Subject: gg: are you a good witch or a bad witch?

At 7:39 PM -0700 9/27/99, Dave New-guy wrote:
>Hi to all!!
>
>My name is Dave Newby

Oh come on....it is not!  I mean, it's fine if that's what you wanna 
be called....but "newbie"?  A coincidence?  I think not......  8^)

>When I discovered Dan's web page this past spring, it blew me
>away!!!  I had NO IDEA that ANYBODY remembered this group, much less that
>someone was releasing them in CD format!

Yeah, it is pretty miraculous.  I have the impression that the GG 
guys think so, too.  In fact, I have it on pretty darn good authority 
that they do.

>Anyway, here's my question:  Greg Walker at Syn-Phonic has 
>listed at $15 US.  I know about it from Dan's site and it sounds too good to
>be true...what gives?  I should jump on it, right?

I think so.  There's some really good stuff on there......start with 
Kevin Gilbert and just move forward from there......I still say 
Keneally's "No God's A Man" may in fact be as good or better than the 
original.

Best,
Rich


Richard Hilton/Boppybop Toons Inc.
http://members.aol.com/hiltonius/BTI_page.html

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Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 09:51:33 -0400 (EDT)
From: Daniel Barrett 
Subject: Re: gg: a possible purchase?

Dave Newby writes:
>Anyway, here's my question:  Greg Walker at Syn-Phonic has 
>listed at $15 US....

FYI, the suggested retail price of Giant Tracks is $15 for the 2-CD set, so
you should be able to get that price at most places that sell it (including
the artists' own site at http://www.blazemonger.com/GT).  We still have
copies left if your favorite vendors become sold out.

Syn-Phonic is a great vendor and I highly recommend them, of course!

                                                        Dan

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| dbarrett@blazemonger.com                   http://www.blazemonger.com/GG/ |
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Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 10:08:43 -0400
From: Jonathan Roberts 
Subject: gg: Obsolescence

Diana Green used to think:

> folks who couldn't make it in rock turned to country and got rich.

Though for a while at least, country players could be older and less 
TV-genic. This has changed as MTV-ization has progressed, to the 
point where, as some have put it, George Jones has to drive off a 
bridge to get noticed.

np: Mitchell Froom,  -- which in a book I just read was 
called "pretentious"!

Conclusion on the Mayo Thompson CD: some people shouldn't sing.


Best,

                 -- Jon

  jonathan roberts   \   the region of where
   guitar:synth:notes \   mailto:nartsegg@pobox.com

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Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 10:09:35 -0400
From: Jonathan Roberts 
Subject: gg: Tools of the Trade, part 567483

Scott Steele wrote:

> Let me know if you change your mind about the Freeman -
> they sound great.  Better than a Mellotron even.

Heresy!

Then again, as I recall, Jan Hammer had a Symphonizer with a 
custom-built filter bank, done by Robert Moog. Made it sound 
wonderful -- that's the sound on his  album.


Best,

                 -- Jon

  jonathan roberts   \   the region of where
   guitar:synth:notes \   mailto:nartsegg@pobox.com

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Date: 28 Sep 1999 09:50:56 -0500
From: "Lindsey Spratt" 
Subject: Re: gg: Tools of the Trade, part 567483

On Tue, Sep 28, 1999 9:09 AM, Jonathan Roberts 
wrote:
> Then again, as I recall, Jan Hammer had a Symphonizer with a 
> custom-built filter bank, done by Robert Moog. Made it sound 
> wonderful -- that's the sound on his  album.
> 

Did he travel with that rig for the famous Beck/Jan Hammer concert tour (on
which he performed "The Earth Meets the Sun" from )?
- -lindsey
np: Bob Mintzer Big Band/Only In New York-"Treasure Hunt"

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Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 08:17:59 -0700 (PDT)
From: "David J. Loftus" 
Subject: Re: gg: re: mellotrons &Strawberry Fields Forever

On Tue, 28 Sep 1999, Earl Rapp wrote:

> Hello All:
> 
> with all the talk of Strawberry FF ! I felt I had to mention.
> the Pip Pyle's version on 7 Year Itch blows the Beatles
> right out of the water....
> 
> don't get me wrong I loved The Beatles version. but Pip's
> treatment is unreal. the 1st half is a jazz adaptation
> with Pip playing a slow swing beat, with Barbara
> Gaskins singing so beautifully. then the 2nd half kicks in
> and oh my god ! It kicks ass so bad...   it's unreal.
> Phil Miller & Dave Stewart take over.


I always liked Peter Gabriel's version on the highly uneven "All This And 
World War II" tribute/collection.  It's fairly straight, but Gabriel's 
voice works really well for the song.


David Loftus

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Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 10:48:39 -0400
From: Bert Rubini 
Subject: gg: no GG:  KC live in Mex. technical question

I know lots of people have downloaded the KC live in Mexico
City media file, does anyone know of a way to convert this
to wav or mp3 format?  Something that *doesn't* require a
second computer?

Alternately, if anyone has a wav or mp3 version of this,
could I get a copy?

bert

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Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 18:05:00 +0200
From: Sven Eriksen 
Subject: Re: gg: Tools of the Trade, part 567483

Jonathan Roberts wrote:
> 
> Scott Steele wrote:
> 
> > Let me know if you change your mind about the Freeman -
> > they sound great.  Better than a Mellotron even.
> 
> Heresy!
> 
> Then again, as I recall, Jan Hammer had a Symphonizer with a
> custom-built filter bank, done by Robert Moog. Made it sound
> wonderful -- that's the sound on his  album.
> 
Jan Hammer used a Mellotron on "Seven Days". I think he acquired the
Freeman later, but I may be wrong here.

Sven

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Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 09:26:12 PDT
From: "Dan Weese" 
Subject: Re: gg: v-bert in hospital; Julian's cat

>Julian, what's your cat's favorite band?

My cat Toby goes nuts over Bowie's Earthling CD. His ears go back, and he 
runs around madly.

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Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 12:26:41 -0400
From: "drj_saro" 
Subject: Re: gg: hello to a Newby!

From: Claudio666@aol.com 

>In a message dated 9/27/99 8:24:03 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
dnewby@usa.net
>writes:
>> I was wondering if I would be as pleased, ar almost as pleased with the
combo
>> of Gryphon/Midnight Mushrumps.  Guess I should say that
>> what I like about them is the way they feature those classical
instruments,
>> like the bassoon.
>
>Red Queen is their best, save your money and stop there.
>

bulllshit!   especially after Newby sez _why_ he likes them, _he_ might
prefer "Midnight Mushrumps"!


><< Last question...are there any opinions out there of a Dutch group called
> Supersister?  Greg Walker's catalog says they are "great crazy prog if you
> like GG".   >>
>
>Buy every Supersister LP/CD you can find.  Some GG-like moments,  great
>stuff. "Crazy Prog" is a nice description, but not THAT crazy...good prog
>though.

_i_ don't hear the GG in SS, but i love them anyway - their 6 LPs are
available on 3 CDs and are well worth it!  (GW has them available).

thank you for your time and attention.

Julius J. SAROKA
drj_saro@neo.rr.com
Cuyahoga Falls OHIO

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Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 12:39:41 +0400
From: Earl Rapp 
Subject: gg: re: to Strawberry Fields

Hello David:

you replied on the Strawberry Fields topic:

>I always liked Peter Gabriel's version on the highly uneven "All This And
>World War II" tribute/collection.  It's fairly straight, but Gabriel's
>voice works really well for the song.

yeah I liked PG's version also, but please believe me when
I say:    "Pip Pyle's rendition is unreal and so creative it's scary".
It maybe the best cover/re-make of a Beatles song ever....

here is the cast for Pip's version of Strawberry Fields Forever
Barbara Gaskin            vocals
Pip Pyle                            drums
Hugh Hopper                 electric bass
Phil Miller                         guitar
Dave Stewart                 Keyboards

plus a horn ensemble... It is awesome

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Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 09:43:36 -0700
From: "Scott Steele" 
Subject: gg: Brunel; Deep Purple!!; new Yes; Giant Tracks

>I scoped the cheapie CD bin and I found Kazumi Watanabe's 
"Kilowatt" for a meager $3.96. Killer line-up too! Patrick Moraz, Wayne Shorter, Bunny on bass...woah! An excellent CD. Reminds me of a more high-tech Jeff Beck's "Guitar Shop". Bunny is amazing on bass(within the contents of this recording). :)

Bunny is always amazing.  But that's a great example, especially the title track.

>Who would have thought that Steve Morse would play Take it off the Top?  With Dave LaRue on Bass!  Pete Brown, Ronnie James Dio, Pete Brown, Steve Morris to name but a few of
the cast of thousands.  And no, Old baldy didn't make an appearance.

Cool!  I want to hear more about this.  Who's Old Baldy?

>np: Deep Purple - Total Abandon - Australia 99

I want to hear this too!

>I was a bit worried about Yes coming out with a intense album again-  no more fear.  Great album~  Nice to know that in 1999 we can still get good progressive music from such great progressive icons.

Sounds like I better get it.  Thanks for letting us know that it's worth the price of admission.

This guy will always be a Newby, no matter how long he hangs around:

>Anyway, here's my question:  Greg Walker at Syn-Phonic has  listed at $15 US.  I know about it from Dan's site and it sounds too good to be true...what gives?  I should jump on it, right?

Go for it, you'll be glad you did!  And welcome.  - S.

np:  Brand X Live in 1978

scottst@ohsu.edu

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Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 13:32:36 EDT
From: "Reginald Dunlop" 
Subject: gg: Spock

Hello Giants!

Ginny wrote:

  He thought that at first it might be a joke, but I told him that
>Julian had asked Rich for reservations at the Heartland, and he believed it
>was for real after I told him that.

It's for real...I'll be there with my wife...and Spock( ;) )

>
>Julian, what's your cat's favorite band?

I don't think he likes music all that much right now. He loves to bite my 
feet all day, and detests my squirt gun(I'm training him not to bite)

>I have trouble believing that a cat docile enough to stand an
>all-day car ride would agree to produce a particular "present" for Rich on
>cue, but, you never know!

Spock loves car rides. :)

>  If the cat's there, I will sing the Thai cat
>song, no matter how badly it behaves.

He'll bite you if you do. ;)

Ciao,

REG

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Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 14:21:46 -0400
From: "James F. Streeter" 
Subject: gg: KC PC to CD

Hi all,

I downloaded the King Crimson Live in Mexico file and agree that it is top
notch.  I would like to be able to take this file and burn it onto a CD.  A
friend of mine who does lots of this kind of thing (all LEGALLY; he doesn't
copyright infringe or do anything else illegal) says he can't find a program
that will convert the file into a format that will allow him to burn it into
a CD.  He says that the stats are as follows:

64K bps, 44kHz, IPTV, 1hr 7 mins

Can anyone help me with this problem?  Or is there simply no way of going
direct from file to PC?  I know I record from analog outputs but I'm trying
to avoid that.  Thanks in advance to any and all who can help.  Now if we
could only get GG to release some previously unreleased live stuff in the
same manner, we'd have something! :)

James F. Streeter
Design Engineer
Nuttall Gear
Delroyd Worm Gear Products
P.O. Box 1032
2221 Niagara Falls Boulevard
Niagara Falls, NY 14302
Phone: (716) 731-5180 x239   Fax: (716) 731-9329
e-mail: nuttall@nuttallgear.com	Corporate Web Page:
http://www.nuttallgear.com
Personal e-mail: v015eyjd@buffnet.net

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Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 15:08:09 EDT
From: PilgrimX@aol.com
Subject: gg: Viva l'Ebay

treats currently found on Ebay.com...

Columbia promo poster, 1972
http://www.hicom.net/~dlarson/giant.jpg

Capitol press photos, 1976 and 1979?
http://members.aol.com/somo1/gentle2.jpg
http://members.aol.com/somo1/gentle1.jpg

patrick

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Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 14:21:50 +0000
From: Diana Green 
Subject: Re: gg: Music for a 9 year old

hail and ketchup;
re:


"David J. Loftus" wrote:

> On Wed, 15 Sep 1999, Reginald Dunlop wrote:
>
> > Hello Giants!
> >
> > Someone asked about music for a 9 year old. If you can find a copy of the
> Flying Lizards' cover of "Money," I bet
> that would go over big.
>
> (In fact, I wish _I_ could find a copy of it at this point, for myself.)

Actually I see it a lot at collector's shows, fairly cheap. since I have one
(vinyl), I don't pay much attention to prices, though.
    I always thought it would be interesteing to see how a kid reacted to the
Resident's Goosebump, the pastiche of nursery rhyme music played on toy
instruments.
still,
dg
np: The fireman: Rushes: obscura quiz: I know what this is: odes anyone else?

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Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 15:11:58 +0000
From: Diana Green 
Subject: Re: gg: Viva l'Ebay

hail!
re:


PilgrimX@aol.com wrote:

> treats currently found on Ebay.com...
>
> Columbia promo poster, 1972
> http://www.hicom.net/~dlarson/giant.jpg
>
> Capitol press photos, 1976 and 1979?
> http://members.aol.com/somo1/gentle2.jpg
> http://members.aol.com/somo1/gentle1.jpg

    A couple gems you forgot to mention:
A russian CD of IaGH, current high bid is $51.00
a copy of the Interview boot, current bid is $9.00- NOBODY HAS BID ON
THIS YET!
    If you're not saving your shekels for next weekend, get those bids
out, campers!
still,
dg
still playing the fireman...

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Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 14:14:30 -0700
From: Aldo Ballestrasse 
Subject: gg: RE: Re: King Crimson: Live in Mexico City

I ge an error: Please register a default browser and try again.
Does anyone know how to register a default browser? I have only one browser
on this machine MS explorer. Any ideas?
Thanks
Aldo

- -----Original Message-----
From: Jim Mercer [mailto:jim@autobuyer.com]
Sent: Saturday, September 25, 1999 9:55 AM
To: on-reflection@darkwing.uoregon.edu
Subject: gg: Re: King Crimson: Live in Mexico City


The King Crimson Live in Mexico City file is EXCELLENT!!!   It's a MUST
HAVE!

I was able to download it from http://drm.goestoeleven.com/wm/dgm/

You will also need the LATEST VERSION of Windows Media Player to listen to
it.
In addition, you must go into Media Player and make sure it's the default
application for listening to the file types '.wma'.  (My computer was
defaulting
to Winamp)

Then, to add insult to injury, the first time you try to open the file, your
computer will contact the web site that you downloaded from to verify
licensing.
After that, it should play fine.

It's kind of a bummer that the file isn't broken down into separate tracks.
It's
just the whole concert, but it's King Crimson at their absolute finest.

I guess it's time to crack Microsoft's watermark on these file types so we
can
finish the production of files like these.

I recommend this file HIGHLY.  Even if you're on a modem, spend the 2 hours
to
download it.  It's well worth the effort.



Jim Mercer

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Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 17:23:42 EDT
From: WhytePunk@aol.com
Subject: Re: gg: Re: "The Fragile"

      I have heard (read) three reviews of this latest work by Trent on the 
Invisible Records mail list and they have all been complimentary. As a 
matter-of-fact, two people said it's his best work in their opinion! Granted 
these reviews come from people that a generally interested in mostly 
"industrial" music, but I trust their judgement for the most part. Just 
thought I'd pass this along.

Neil

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Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 14:54:35 -0700
From: William Tindall 
Subject: gg: Genesis reunion

Anyone interested in hearing a newly recorded version of Carpet Crawlers, done by Gabriel, Hackett, Rutherford, Banks, and Collins, check it out here:

http://www.stevehackett.com/albums/turniton.htm

Bill "Back in NYC" T

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Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 16:21:06 PDT
From: "Dan Weese" 
Subject: Re: gg: KC PC to CD

>I would like to be able to take this file and burn it onto a CD.

If you're on a Mac, and want to play a Windows Media Player file, then  go 
here:

http://www.microsoft.com/mac/ie/macmediaplayer.htm

I may not understand the problem completely, email me offline if this 
doesn't solve the problem.

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Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 19:11:55 -0500
From: Jim Klocek 
Subject: gg: Welcome to a Newby; V-Bert and GGetToGGether

Welcome Dave Newby...
I'm a semi-lurker on this list...some of the stuff these guys come up with
is beyond me, and I consider myself an afficianado of music.  Sometimes the
best I can do is a barbed comment or quip...most of my brain cells are still
intact, as opposed to a lot of others on this list ;)

To V-Bert:
Get well soon.  You will definitely be at the GGEtToGGether although your
physical presence is lacking.  Being a transplanted USA East Coaster, I will
also be there.  Too bad you guys won't be there in late Spring-early Summer
when the soft-shell crab season is in full swing...go to Chinatown during
this time and you'd never want to leave.

Jim
np:  McDonald and Giles

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Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 20:38:32 -0400
From: Daniel Potvin 
Subject: gg: Genesis - Turn It On Again : The Hits

Dear Giants 
 
The Genesis Greatest Hits CD is set for release on 26th October 1999. 
Pre-orders are now being taken on the Camino Sales Desk which will be 
dispatched on the day of release.

The CD contains 17 tracks from various points in the band's four 
decade history, along with a completely new version of "The Carpet 
Crawlers" which was recorded by Peter Gabriel, Steve Hackett, Phil 
Collins, Mike Rutherford & Tony Banks.

You can hear and download MP3 and Real-Audio versions of this from 
http://www.stevehackett.com/albums/turniton.htm


 Daniel 

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Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 21:10:34 -0400
From: "drj_saro" 
Subject: gg: Re: Genesis - Turn It On Again : The Hits

what a _horrible_ set-list!

the good news is that if you down-load the "bonus track" you don't have to
buy it!

just goes to show how clueless record companies can really be!

thank you for your time and attention.

Julius J. SAROKA
drj_saro@neo.rr.com
Cuyahoga Falls OHIO

- -----Original Message-----
From: Daniel Potvin 
To: 'Gentle Giant Mailing List' 
Date: Tuesday, September 28, 1999 8:49 PM
Subject: gg: Genesis - Turn It On Again : The Hits


>Dear Giants
>
>The Genesis Greatest Hits CD is set for release on 26th October 1999.
>Pre-orders are now being taken on the Camino Sales Desk which will be
>dispatched on the day of release.
>
>The CD contains 17 tracks from various points in the band's four
>decade history, along with a completely new version of "The Carpet
>Crawlers" which was recorded by Peter Gabriel, Steve Hackett, Phil
>Collins, Mike Rutherford & Tony Banks.
>
>You can hear and download MP3 and Real-Audio versions of this from
>http://www.stevehackett.com/albums/turniton.htm
>
>
> Daniel
>
>

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Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 21:48:24 EDT
From: Claudio666@aol.com
Subject: Re: nongg: Hammers and tools part #666

In a message dated 9/28/99 10:14:40 AM Mountain Daylight Time, 
sven.eriksen@infotema.no writes:

<< Jan Hammer used a Mellotron on "Seven Days". I think he acquired the
 Freeman later, but I may be wrong here. >>

Well, perusing the credits, he had both in use on the album.  

Dan66

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Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 21:56:03 -0400
From: Daniel Potvin 
Subject: gg: RE: Re: Genesis - Turn It On Again : The Hits

drj_saro [SMTP:drj_saro@neo.rr.com] writes: 
<< what a _horrible_ set-list!>> 

I agree the album is  junk , maybe i'll download carpet crawlers but that's it.



>Dear Giants
>
>The Genesis Greatest Hits CD is set for release on 26th October 1999.
>Pre-orders are now being taken on the Camino Sales Desk which will be
>dispatched on the day of release.
>
>The CD contains 17 tracks from various points in the band's four
>decade history, along with a completely new version of "The Carpet
>Crawlers" which was recorded by Peter Gabriel, Steve Hackett, Phil
>Collins, Mike Rutherford & Tony Banks.
>
>You can hear and download MP3 and Real-Audio versions of this from
>http://www.stevehackett.com/albums/turniton.htm
>
>
> Daniel
>
>

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Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 22:06:56 EDT
From: Claudio666@aol.com
Subject: Re: nongg: Gryphon Newby

In response to Mr. Newby's request for input re: Gryphon recordings, I said:

<< >Red Queen is their best, save your money and stop there.

Then Dr. J (forcefully) and Drew (more politely) responded:
 
<< bulllshit!   especially after Newby sez _why_ he likes them, _he_ might
 prefer "Midnight Mushrumps"! >>

In thinking that Mr. Newby may be more interested in getting the best work 
from this group (IMNSHO, of course) and not the whole freaking catalog, I 
made my recommendation.  You want oboe? It's here. You want solid 
prog/classical rock? it's here.  Start to finish.  Drew's right, "Treason" 
should be avoided, but the 1st two offer some fine moments.  "Red Queen" is 
simply their best.  That's all.

If Mr. Newby is interested in classical instruments and their use in avant or 
prog musics, then mayhaps he should investigate Henry Cow, Art Zoyd, Univers 
Zero among others...

See, Mr. Newby, this is the kind of meaningful banter and in-depth analysis 
you can only get right here at on-reflection.  And remember, opinions are 
always free!

Dan66666666666
n.d. Breckenridge Brewing Autumn Ale
n.p. The Sound "From the Lion's Mouth"

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Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 22:19:08 -0400
From: "David and Stacey Shur" 
Subject: gg: Genesix

Anything new about the next 4 CD collection from 1976 thru 1980?  -David
Eric

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Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 19:35:40 -0700 (PDT)
From: JohnEric 
Subject: gg: Yes, "The Ladder"

I bought "The Ladder" today and have listened to most of it.  I have to
say that this release is for the most part has a little to much bubbly
bouncy happy smiley face stuff in it for my taste.  I'm certainly not
against happy music, but as a teenager I did trade in my banjo for a
guitar because I felt the banjo was to darn happy for my taste.  Now at
44, I still prefer my Yes a bit more mysterious, melancholy, and moody. 
the Trevor years had a lot of hits, but didn't really cross over into :)
land.  I will finish listening tomorrow and re-listen a few more times
before casting a final vote.  It's been my experience that when I like an
album right off, I grow tired of it quickly.  Conversely, the opposite is
also true.  I disliked "Talk" right away, but grew to like a lot of it . .
. given time.  

In short ... for those of you waffling on the new Yes -- It's a bright
shiny pleasant offering, full of fun, frolic, and lots of love.  Be happy.
 Can you say Yes for me?   I knew you could :)

JohnEric 


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Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 22:35:05 EDT
From: Claudio666@aol.com
Subject: gg: Carpet Crawlers 1999

Nice to see the boys back together for this, but...could it possibly be any 
weaker?  Gabriel and Hackett try bravely to shine through the delerium...

But thanks for the heads up!

Dan6

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Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 23:08:34 -0400 (EDT)
From: mammienun@webtv.net
Subject: Re: gg: Yes, "The Ladder"

More fun than a barrel of banjos! John...have you no Fleck? Jazz banjo
definitly puts a smile on my face! Seems to me you shoulda stuck with
it. Then again...I've never heard you play guitar! m!m!i!n!n.

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Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 23:18:51 -0400
From: Tomas 
Subject: Re: gg: Yes, "The Ladder"

At 07:35 PM 9/28/1999 -0700, JohnEric wrote:

>I disliked "Talk" right away, but grew to like a lot of it . . . given time.

Glad to hear someone else liked TALK. So many Yes fans put it down; I think
it's great stuff - Trevor's crowning acheivement with Yes, IMO.


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Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 20:44:30 -0700 (PDT)
From: JohnEric 
Subject: gg: "Talk" and "Open Your Eyes"

Talk debuted Chris Squires new bass designs.  That low end was enough to
drive small animals and bugs right out of the house.  At least in my
house.  Open Your Eyes had to grow on me as well, although the first cut
was pretty catchy.  The new one is going to be a challenge for me.

JohnEric

- --- Tomas  wrote:
> At 07:35 PM 9/28/1999 -0700, JohnEric wrote:
> 
> >I disliked "Talk" right away, but grew to like a lot of it . . . given
> time.
> 
> Glad to hear someone else liked TALK. So many Yes fans put it down; I
> think
> it's great stuff - Trevor's crowning acheivement with Yes, IMO.
> 
> 
>
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Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 20:50:00 -0700 (PDT)
From: JohnEric 
Subject: gg: Jazz Banjo?

Jazz banjo?   I guess there's a little something for everybody.  Ministry
used banjo on their last release, Dark Side of the Spoon, which I loved! 
Got to cause pause for thought ... huh.

JohnEric

- --- mammienun@webtv.net wrote:
> More fun than a barrel of banjos! John...have you no Fleck? Jazz banjo
> definitly puts a smile on my face! Seems to me you shoulda stuck with
> it. Then again...I've never heard you play guitar! m!m!i!n!n.
> 
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Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 20:54:32 -0700 (PDT)
From: JohnEric 
Subject: Re: gg: Carpet Crawlers 1999

I prefer the origional, thank you.  This version Is a bit to Dukey for my
taste.  Although I liked Duke, Carpet Crawlers 1999 should not sound like
an outtake from Duke ... which it does.

JohnEric

- --- Claudio666@aol.com wrote:
> Nice to see the boys back together for this, but...could it possibly be
> any 
> weaker?  Gabriel and Hackett try bravely to shine through the
> delerium...
> 
> But thanks for the heads up!
> 
> Dan6
> 


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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 09:31:27 +0200
From: "Geir Hasnes" 
Subject: gg: GG: Voivod, Gryphon, Bert, Mellotron, GGG

I read two years ago in an interview with the Voivod guys that their favourite band was Gentle Giant, whom they were ecstatic about. It made me attend a concert with them, but I didn't happen to hear the influence especially clearly.

While it is true that Gryphon moved from folk via prog to prog-pop, I find their adventurousness high and their quirkiness makes up for their somewhat patchy style. They are more collage oriented than development oriented, and their sometimes superb themes are often left without any development, as most other so-called prog groups also do. I strongly recommend their fifth album Treason, as a cross of pop and Yes, in addition to the other four. On Midnight Mushrumps there is stuff that is just as worthy as GG itself for a GG fan.

Get well, Bert! The world is a better place because of people like you. 

*** BERT ALERT ***

(Not to be read by Bert)

Any presentation of a person should be made by another. I venture to describe Bert.

He is, by Norwegian standards, short, that is below 6 feet tall, and could be taken for the Giant if trimming his beard correctly.

He is incredibly kind and humble and a good friend to chat with. We can go on for hours.

His greatest sin was selling his vinyl collection (vinyl sounds better than CD). In second place comes that he managed to sell most of it to a dealer and not me. I however managed to secure the best part.

He is a fan of good compositions and adventurous music. He takes a special interest in electronic music.

He likes to find out about new music and is definitely not restricted to the good old days, that is the late 60s-early 70s.

The greatest mystery is that he is educated as an organist, but doesn't practice it as he dislikes churches. Dislike of churches is not a mystery, but not playing organ is.

*** End of BERT ALERT ***

Many new progressive bands use the mellotron, and they do it even more than bands in the 70s. Bands like Aenglagaard and Anekdoten are tremendous and among the best prog inthe 90s ever - check them out.

As people tell of books they read, I have to tell about my G-fanaticism - my favourite boy's book series in Norway was the GGG which ran from 1936 to 1973, when they started calling it the GG-series, because the third G signified "Boys" - this was on the height of feminism. The series ended in 1982, thus containing 200 books. Of course this was the main reason I started listening to GG.

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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 12:17:00 +0300 (EET DST)
From: Ville V Sinkko 
Subject: gg: Collage vs development (re: geir's post)

On Wed, 29 Sep 1999, Geir Hasnes wrote:

>...[Gryphon's] quirkiness makes up for their somewhat patchy style. 
>They are more collage oriented than development oriented, and their 
>sometimes superb themes are often left without any development, as 
>most other so-called prog groups also do.

This is an interesting point. I often think about this subject,
most often when I'm playing early Magma, Änglagård, UZ, Marillion,
Gryphon... it seems to me that the majority of prog acts are collage 
oriented, as Geir puts it.

But is it just me? Am I the only one who HATES that kind of 
laissez-faire composing? Anyone can stick 27 sections of music one 
after the other. I detest pre-Köhntarkösz Magma for that very reason. 
I mean, who can honestly say that MDK [or even worse, Riah Sahiltaahk] is 
a good composition? It is a unique work, no doubt whatsoever, but only in 
a Christo-wrapping-Reichstag-house kind of way.



Thoughts?

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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 05:42:13 EDT
From: SPBrader@aol.com
Subject: Re: gg: Collage vs development (re: geir's post)

Ville wrote:

<< But is it just me? Am I the only one who HATES that kind of 
 laissez-faire composing? Anyone can stick 27 sections of music one 
 after the other. I detest pre-Köhntarkösz Magma for that very reason. 
 I mean, who can honestly say that MDK is a good composition? >>

I'm not a musician or student of musical theory so I wouldn't know whether it 
is *technically* good. All I know is that it sounds great to me, it moves me 
emotionally and it stimulates mind and body. At the end of the day, isn't 
that what music is supposed to do, regardless of a subjective measure of 
compositional quality?
Some collage pieces work, some don't. Some developed pieces work, some don't. 
Ultimately it's all about how it hits the individual listener.

Simon

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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 12:18:20 +0100
From: "Jorunn Nome & Bert Vijn" 
Subject: no gg: v-bert still in hospital - give him a call

Hello!
Bert is very grateful for the many phonecalls that he has receved.
It is overwhelming.
Please keep them coming in, the direct number to his room is: 
+47  38106079.
Thank you very mutch for the support.

Chances are getting better that we can make it to gorgg.

Regards, 
Jorunn
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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 06:39:09 -0400
From: "David and Stacey Shur" 
Subject: gg: Assembly line music

> << But is it just me? Am I the only one who HATES that kind of
>  laissez-faire composing? Anyone can stick 27 sections of music one
>  after the other...

That's how Supper's Ready was assembled, per Peter Gabriel.....   -David
Eric

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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 05:01:02 -0700
From: William Tindall 
Subject: RE: gg: Collage vs development (re: geir's post)

Si Schreiblled:

<< I'm not a musician or student of musical theory so I wouldn't know whether it 
is *technically* good. All I know is that it sounds great to me, it moves me 
emotionally and it stimulates mind and body. At the end of the day, isn't 
that what music is supposed to do, regardless of a subjective measure of 
compositional quality?
Some collage pieces work, some don't. Some developed pieces work, some don't. 
Ultimately it's all about how it hits the individual listener.>>

	Ditto ditto ditto and ditto.  But for one exception: I am a musician and a student of theory (how good of a student?  Eh, I dunno, but I do know the difference between a Neapolitan 6th and Jimmy Page's elbow), and the collage approach is just another way of doing things, IMO.  Sometimes it works beautifully, sometimes it falls apart all over the place; like anything else, it's ultimately a matter of taste.  As a compositional approach, it's never bothered me in the least.  Many modern composers that I'm enormously fond of are hugely guilty of this "crime"; Mahler immediately comes to mind, along with Stravinsky, Prokoviev, and too many others to list (not to mention Zappa...oops, I just did).  Sometimes I react like "What?? ANOTHER theme?!?!?!?!?", and sometimes I just love it, and many times I find myself somewhere in between those extremes.  I'm quirky that way.  I like my music quirky sometimes.  
	Someone mentioned Can-Utility and the Coastliners (for another reason, possibly); perfect example of a piece that works for me.  So is, as David Eric says, Supper's Ready.  So is Humdrum.  So is Nonkertompf.  I can't imagine having more fun than listening to these 4 items for hours on end, unless it's playing them.  Not with a PG rating, anyway...  
	Well-spoken, Simon.

Bill   

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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 08:20:15 -0400
From: "Drew W. Eaton" 
Subject: gg: Re: GG: Voivod, Gryphon, Bert, Mellotron, GGG

Well now, Geir has me thinking I need to go back and listen to Treason
again.  The only problem is,  don't have it anymore.  After listening to it
10 or 12 times when I got it I finally gave up.  How many years ago was
that??  I mean, how can I ignore the word of the publisher of Proclamation?
Yikes.

Drew


Geir wrote
>
>While it is true that Gryphon moved from folk via prog to prog-pop, I find
their adventurousness high and their quirkiness makes up for their somewhat
patchy style. They are more collage oriented than development oriented, and
their sometimes superb themes are often left without any development, as
most other so-called prog groups also do. I strongly recommend their fifth
album Treason, as a cross of pop and Yes, in addition to the other four. On
Midnight Mushrumps there is stuff that is just as worthy as GG itself for a
GG fan.

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