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on-reflection-digest Thursday, July 29 1999 Volume 01 : Number 1791
gg: Union tour in St. Louis
gg: Re: three patch sheets to the wind
Re: gg: Pavlov was right!
Re: gg: Fisticuffs Yes! Yes! YES!
gg: NOGG:The synth bores club
RE: nongg: Ummagumma
Re: gg: RE: Hidden messages
Re: gg: Tales ... the final vibration?
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Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 23:27:40 -0700 (PDT)
From: James Warren
Subject: gg: Union tour in St. Louis
{BTW, that "run-out groove" on the TOUCH (1969?) album is quite cool as
well}
- -It was 1991, and I was quite upset after having bought tickets for the
Yes Union tour, in-the-round, for Oklahoma City, OK. This was because
the band reportedly got into some fight/internal conflict, and they
cancelled that show ahead of time. :-( I then got tickets for their
UNION summer leg stop at St. Louis. It was at the Riverport
Amphitheater... but was not in the round (again, :-(. (Anyone else on
this list attend the show in St. Louis?)
It was a very good performance, but not the greatest or anything, imho.
The circumstances surrounding the venue are notable. Guns and Roses
had played there the month before. That show resulted in a riot, and
fans trashed the place. This led to a warrant for the arrest of Axel
Rose in Missouri. Hey, I guess it has worked to keep him out of their
state! ;-)
The Yes date was the first show there after the Guns and Roses riot,
following 'renovations' and repairs. I have never been to a concert
with tighter security. You had to keep your ticket stub with you at
all times as proof of your admission. You couldn't even THINK about
wandering into the aisles, or moving towards the stage during the
encore. Security guards practically escorted you to the bathroom. It
was ridiculous. All this did not stop some drunk dude from throwing up
on my brother's leg during the concert, however. If my brother had NOT
brought a change of clothes, that would have been a long, tough drive
back to Little Rock, Arkansas, for our little carpool...
With all of this going on, it was hard to get the full, immersive "yes
experience." Jon kept talking about smoking pot. It seemed to keep
those people out on the lawn surrounding the structure interested.
Rick and Trevor definitely enjoyed jamming out together, esp. when Rick
would use a "keytar" or something. Otherwise, there wasn't a lot of
true group interaction. "Awaken" was an interesting moment indeed.
For the first few measures, there was silence in the ampitheater.
Then, as a majority of the people must have simultaneously decided
that: a) they didn't recognize this song, and, b) it must be some old,
weird prog, and long '70s Yes song, they rose en- masse, and headed for
the bathrooms, t-shirt stands, and food/drink vendors. It was rude and
not unlike halftime at a high school football game ;-). Again, this
marred the song, an awaited highlight of the show (these "fans" took
their sweet-ass time). The earliest '90s were not yet part of the
famous prog renaissance that has followed ;-)
JJW
Enjoying (for once!) an Astros-Rockies
series!...more than my friend Claudio is.
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Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 08:31:51 +0100
From: "Ant"
Subject: gg: Re: three patch sheets to the wind
- -----Original Message-----
From: Richard Hilton
>
>>Didn't ARP
>>incorporate some kind of programmable analogue synth which remembered
>>settings?
>
>Not for a long time after the 2600, they didn't.....if they did at all,
>that is.
Maybe I was thinking of the Prophet synths.
Ant
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Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 08:29:14 +0100
From: "Ant"
Subject: Re: gg: Pavlov was right!
- -----Original Message-----
From: David J. Loftus
>Anybody remember the pop single "Beach Baby" with the horn break from
>Mahler? At least the Beatles had a producer with sufficient talent to
>imitate Bach instead of steal from him directly for "In My Life."
Yeah! and what about that 60's song which stole the main melody of Bach's
Minuet in G.
What was it called now? It was a slower, rhythmically altered version.
Ant
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Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 08:17:43 +0100
From: "Ant"
Subject: Re: gg: Fisticuffs Yes! Yes! YES!
- -----Original Message-----
From: David J. Loftus
On Jon Anderson:
>Or maybe he serenaded them with:
>
>"Looking still the same, after all these years,
> Changing only in my memories not clear...."
>But can he heel any riffs? That's the big question.
Only when he has foot-in-mouth disease.
Ant
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Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 07:59:45 +0100
From: "Ant"
Subject: gg: NOGG:The synth bores club
- -----Original Message-----
From: kiirja
>The Axxe, Odyssey, Avatar, Omni, 2600 (and related models) all
>required manual settings. The 2600 series required patch cords.
>Star with a square, sine, or sawtooth waveform, then modulate in
>various ways (pitch amplitude, waveshape, etc etc) via ADSR, noise,
>or pass-thru filters.
I remember that random modulation you could add which a few groups used.
Sounded kind of robotic. Could use it to modulate pitch or filter density.
What did they call it, sample and hold?
Ant
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Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 07:25:41 -0400
From: "Yurchison, Gerry"
Subject: RE: nongg: Ummagumma
You must have a recent remaster. Ummagumma was an early release for Pink
Floyd, after "Pipers at the Gates of Dawn", "A Saucerful of Secrets". One
of the first PF releases, in which Dave Gilmour, guitarist appears,
replacing Syd Barrett.
> Claudio wrote:
>
> Pink Floyd "Ummagumma" 2CD set. The
> copyright says 1994 but I've never seen it, and actually gave him both a
> hug
> and a high-5. An amazing Father-Son moment. Has this really been around
> for
> 5 years?
>
>
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Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 07:28:27 -0400
From: Bob Angilly
Subject: Re: gg: RE: Hidden messages
I once had translated all the between the groove messages from Phantom's Divine
Comedy. Wasted an entire afternoon doing this as they are recorded backwards
and at low volume between each cut on the album. Taped each one and reversed
the tape and tried to make out the words over the very loud surface noise (this
was on Capitol, which at the time recycled all their unsold product so their
records were slightly grey from the old labels which weren't scraped off
properly before they melted down the records, old GG records have this same
problem). In the end what I got was a set of two line poems that didn't make a
lot of sense. I may still have this buried in a notebook somewhere (cause I
never throw anything else, which is why I can never move.)
"Mark L. Potts" wrote:
> Ay Up!
>
> Not only hidden messages but what about the scratched in cryptic messages on
> the run-out groove?
>
> Whatever happened to Porky's Prime Cuts?
>
> You want hidden messages try out The Phantom's Divine Comedy. More hidden
> message than music, I'll wager!
>
> Surfing with the Alien,
>
> Mark L. Potts
> The God of Thunder
>
> np: Dregs - NYC '81
- --
Tickle me! :-)
Elmo
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Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 08:44:22 -0400
From: Tomas
Subject: Re: gg: Tales ... the final vibration?
At 09:51 PM 7/28/1999 -0700, JohnEric wrote:
>I don't feel it contradicts the Christian faith ... this takes a broad
>stroke approach with spiritual generalities that people can plug into in
>what ever way they like. I don't believe it was intended to convict.
I never said it "contradicts" the Christian faith. You said people who
like TALES get into the spiritual nature of the project; I said I love it
and I *don't* get into the spiritual nature of it, so my point wasn't about
Christianity per se, but that your initial presumption was wrong. I think
others have also agreed with me.
TALES may be spiritual for some, but one doesn't have to "dig" its
spiritual side to dig the album.
I guess I have to post the original messages here some folks will see what
I'm talking about (I really don't like being misrepresented...).
>--- Tomas wrote:
>> At 08:17 PM 7/27/1999 -0700, JohnEric wrote:
>>
>> >Those that enjoy TFTO tend to get
>> into
>> >the overall spiritual nature of the project.
>>
>> Couldn't disagree more, at least for me. As a Christian, I certainly
>> don't
>> get into the overall spiritual nature of the music. I'm there for the
>> music, for the mind thing, and I don't think there's a bit of filler on
>> it.
>> It's a great album.
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