on-reflection-digest     Thursday, July 29 1999     Volume 01 : Number 1792



gg: Etchings/Bach quote/HJnews
gg: Re: three patch sheets to the wind/The synth bores club
gg: NonGG: Mahavishnu
RE: nongg:(if you don't count a Shulman) violinists
Re: gg: Re: Concept Albums
Re: gg: Hidden messages
Re: gg: RE: Hidden messages
gg: three patch sheets to the wind/The synth bores club
gg: Rock violinists
Re: no gg: IGB:CAT / Timothy Pure
gg: Re: three patch sheets to the wind/The synth bores club
gg: no GG: more analog synth stuff (Moog centric)
gg: Re: Do they remember GG?
gg: Re: NW GGetogether Diner location
gg: Yes 
gg: Prog Metal and Bill check the ps
Re: gg: RE: Hidden messages
Re: gg: Tales ... the final vibration?
Re: gg: Prog Metal and Bill check the ps
gg: More 2-LP sets; 3-sided LPs; where the scratches are; taping CDs for the car
gg: TULL AND HTM/TFTO
gg: V-Bert's friends; GG reviews; more 2-LP sets; Sonic Seasonings
gg: Naked ears were tortured; more 2-LP sets; It Bites or not; Musea sound quality
gg: Re: NonGG: Mahavishnu
gg: Bruford; Prog metal; violinists; Big Generator; Carlos Heaven and Hell
gg: More violinists; Passport; Simon tries hard to like UK (the group)
gg: More violinists; Passport; Simon tries hard to like UK (the group)
gg: Mark O'Connor; the next cut; more violinists; GGettogethers!; GG videos!; Gillan; Dok

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Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 08:17:35 -0500
From: "Lottich, Steve" 
Subject: gg: Etchings/Bach quote/HJnews

Favorite etching on LP runout groove:  "Pecko Duck"; Led Zep - either 4 or
Houses, not sure which.
_ _ _

Ant:
> Yeah! and what about that 60's song which stole the main 
> melody of Bach's
> Minuet in G.
> What was it called now? It was a slower, rhythmically altered version.

Would that be "Lover's Concerto" by The Toys?  "How gentle is the rain..."
_ _ _

From CDNOW's allstar News at: http://cdnow.com/allstar/:
Dylan Howe, son of Yes guitarist Steve Howe, will replace the recently
deceased Kevin Wilkinson as Howard Jones's new drummer, according to a
spokesperson for Howard Jones at Ark 21 Records. Wilkinson, who also handled
skin duties for the Waterboys for many years, committed suicide on July 17.

Steve Lottich

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Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 07:22:47 PDT
From: "Alan Benjamin" 
Subject: gg: Re: three patch sheets to the wind/The synth bores club

Hi,

Ant recently mentioned:

> >>Didn't ARP
> >>incorporate some kind of programmable analogue synth which remembered
> >>settings?
> >
> >Not for a long time after the 2600, they didn't.....if they did at all,
> >that is.
>
>
>Maybe I was thinking of the Prophet synths.

I am pretty sure that the Quadra was programmable, although it always seemed 
like more of a souped-up "string ensemble" than a true synthesizer. (My 
experience could be biased, though, as I had a good friend whose rig used to 
be a Quadra atop a Rhodes and an Oberheim OB-X atop a Yamaha CP-70. He used 
the OB-X for tons of cool synthetic timbres, but the Quadra was almost 
always playing string sounds. I was saddened to hear that he ditched the 
entire rig a while back, and now uses a digital workstation instead.)

Would you happen to be thinking about the Moog Source, by any chance? It is 
basically like a programmable Mini Moog with somewhat limited functionality. 
I picked up a used one back in the early '80s, as I was switching 
back-and-forth between guitar and keys (usually several times per song) and 
was happy to have all the basic sounds I needed already programmed in 
advance. (It came with a schematic as well, which proved invaluable when it 
needed repair a few years after I bought it. Found an open 1M resistor and 
replaced it with one I happened to have on hand.)

I also own a Roland Juno 106, which is kind of cool because it is programmed 
in the traditional button-and-knob domain, but the results could be saved to 
patches. (I had a cat walk all over it once, changing virtually every slider 
on the panel. It was kind of a cool sound, though, so I saved it.) The 
patches could also be tweaked after being recalled. I would imagine that 
some of the newer high-class analog synths work the same way. This was a 
much more intuitive means of programming than anything I've seen since.

> >The Axxe, Odyssey, Avatar, Omni, 2600 (and related models) all
> >required manual settings. The 2600 series required patch cords.
> >Star with a square, sine, or sawtooth waveform, then modulate in
> >various ways (pitch amplitude, waveshape, etc etc) via ADSR, noise,
> >or pass-thru filters.
>
>I remember that random modulation you could add which a few groups used.
>Sounded kind of robotic. Could use it to modulate pitch or filter density.
>What did they call it, sample and hold?

Yes, I believe that's what they called it--however that was not a completely 
accurate term. It was really more of a random-voltage generator, as it would 
hold a random voltage for a given (but adjustable) amount of time. The 
latter part is probably where the term came from.

On a similar topic, does anyone remember the differentiation between white 
and pink noise? I seem to think that pink was filtered (but can't remember 
how) and white was not.

And one last thing: Does anyone know the name/model of the Moog lead synth 
that had the pitch-bend wheel mounted horizontally? That wheel felt great!

Take care,


Alan

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Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 07:40:45 -0700
From: "Yurchison, Gerry" 
Subject: gg: NonGG: Mahavishnu

Found on the net.
Legacy Records to release Mahavishnu Orchestra's " The Lost Trident
Sessions", featuring John McLaughlin, Jan Hammer, Jerry Goodman, et al, on
September 14, 1999.

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Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 10:59:09 -0400
From: "Benson, Tom" 
Subject: RE: nongg:(if you don't count a Shulman) violinists

Claudio666 asks:
> So I've been watching this thread for several days and I'm somewhat
perplexed 
> (okay, I'm like that 24/7) that Jean-luc Ponty's name hasn't come up. 
> Did I miss a post or two?  

Well, maybe. The original question asked for fiddlers BESIDES JL Ponty, 
Jerry Goodman, etc, etc...

Tom

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Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 08:08:45 -0700 (PDT)
From: Achi 
Subject: Re: gg: Re: Concept Albums

- --- drj_saro  wrote:
> From: Achi 
> > Also "In the court"is a concept album.
> 
> tell me the story then!
> 
It always seemed to me like some kind of a journey
into the court of the crimson king, i'm not sure
why... It starts with the train sounds in the opener
and then... well i'm not sure, but it reminds me an
old fairy tell story... sorry if i'm the only one to
see it that way.
> 
> > Damn, even selling England is better (my fav
> Genesis is foxtrot,
> offcourse)
> 
> 
> but neither of these are concept albums either!

Selling England has an obvious concept, as it consists
of stories from life and places in England as Gabriel
see it. I never said Foxtrot had any concept.

> thank you for your time and attention.

NO! Thank you!
Achi
> 
> Julius J. SAROKA
> drj_saro@neo.rr.com
> Cuyahoga Falls OHIO
> 
> 
> 

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Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 11:21:26 EDT
From: Underdub@aol.com
Subject: Re: gg: Hidden messages

In a message dated 7/28/99 4:44:10 AM Central Daylight Time, dshur@erols.com 
writes:

> For example- the last groove on the a side of The James
>  Gang- Yer Album says "Turn me over." and the b side says "Play me again!"
>  Anyone have other hidden messages?  -

I can think of a last track "gizmo":
The last groove of the Telex LP "Neurovision" ends with a phone answering 
machine answering for their home-studio.  "Hello. This is Telex Studio etc.". 
When it hangs up the dial-tone sound is looped around to itself so you have 
an endless dial-tone.  
BTW - "Neurovision" is one of my very fave albums.  Very much like children's 
music.
But smart, charming children's music in the way Carl Orff's Music studies for 
children manages to be super simple but not insulting.
- -Dick Dammit-

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Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 11:34:18 EDT
From: Underdub@aol.com
Subject: Re: gg: RE: Hidden messages

In a message dated 7/29/99 7:33:45 AM Central Daylight Time, 
staffba3@gsd.harvard.edu writes:

> (this
>  was on Capitol, which at the time recycled all their unsold product so 
their
>  records were slightly grey from the old labels which weren't scraped off
>  properly before they melted down the records, old GG records have this same
>  problem). 

I've always wondered why my tPatG seems to have self-destructed  - even with 
good care.  I always assumed it was because it was on one of those thin, 
floppy Capitol LP's that they put out for awhile.  You know the ones that 
were almost like those free plastic-sheet records in magazines.
- -DD-

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Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 08:35:05 -0700 (PDT)
From: Don Tillman 
Subject: gg: three patch sheets to the wind/The synth bores club

   From: "Alan Benjamin" 
   Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 07:22:47 PDT

   I am pretty sure that the Quadra was programmable, although it
   always seemed like more of a souped-up "string ensemble" than a
   true synthesizer. 

Yeah, the Quadra was programmable.  But it's a very strange beast so
it's not the best example of a prgrammable analog synth.

   On a similar topic, does anyone remember the differentiation between white 
   and pink noise? I seem to think that pink was filtered (but can't remember 
   how) and white was not.

White noise is equal noise energy per Hz.  Pink noise is equal noise
energy per octave.  White noise sounds somewhat bright as the ear
hears sound over octaves.

If you pick completely random numbers and plot them as a voltage over
time, that's white noise.  You need to filter that a little bit to get
pink noise.

   And one last thing: Does anyone know the name/model of the Moog lead synth 
   that had the pitch-bend wheel mounted horizontally? That wheel felt great!

Moog Sonic VI.  (Possibly the Sonic V too.)

  -- Don

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Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 11:38:58 EDT
From: "Reginald Dunlop" 
Subject: gg: Rock violinists

Bonjourno Boys & Girls!

May I recommend a violin CD by LEROY JENKINS. It's called:

LEROY JENKINS - "Live!"(Black Saint Records)

It came out in 1992, recorded live(of course). Leroy is obviously a black 
man...and he puts all white punks to shame on this one. :)

Also, I recommend:

DIDIER LOCKWOOD - "Storyboard"(Dreyfuss Jazz)

Some his stuff is pretty mellow, but Didier really rawks out on this one. 
You get to listen to the amazing drumming of Steve Gadd. You might want to 
try ZAO - "Kawana" for some amazing violin work(Didier plays on it). LOW 
FLYING AIRCRAFT(David Cross & Keith Tippett) is a ripper as well, but good 
luck finding it. I got shit lucky when I found mine. :)

Mumbling,

REG



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Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 11:54:59 EDT
From: "Reginald Dunlop" 
Subject: Re: no gg: IGB:CAT / Timothy Pure

Bonjourno!

Bert Vijn"  wrote:

>I think it's about time someone yelled: "Bonjourno boys and girls! Get 
>Clear Air
>Turbulence - IAN GILLAN BAND. It's AWESOME".
>But I don't keep my hopes up. ;^)

Oh my! But it is amazing, V-Bert. You should get your hopes up. :) It's nice 
mixture of Funk/Metal/Fusion, and consists of members from Quatermass, Elf 
and Deep Purple.

> > Buy the new TIMOTHY PURE album called "Island Of The Misfit Toys". I 
>think
> > this will get my vote for one of the all time classic Prog. Rock albums 
>of

...and the new TIMOTHY PURE is great! I listened to it twice at work 
yesterday.

Foaming,

REG


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Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 09:04:07 PDT
From: "Alan Benjamin" 
Subject: gg: Re: three patch sheets to the wind/The synth bores club

Don,

Thanks for the quick response.

>    And one last thing: Does anyone know the name/model of the Moog lead 
>synth
>    that had the pitch-bend wheel mounted horizontally? That wheel felt 
>great!
>
>Moog Sonic VI.  (Possibly the Sonic V too.)

I would never have remembered that.

Take care and thanks again,


Alan

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Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 09:50:06 PDT
From: "Alan Benjamin" 
Subject: gg: no GG: more analog synth stuff (Moog centric)

Hello again,

Being an obsessive/compulsive type myself (and not the only one here), I 
decided to see if I could pull up pictures of the Moog Sonic Six and 
muSonics Sonic V--in order to accurately identify the one I tinkered with 
many years ago. In the process, I came across a few interesting Web sites 
(and one not so interesting as well).

A site with lots of data and pictures:

  http://www.synthmuseum.com/

A tear came in my eye when I pulled up a picture of a Cat (Octave), as I got 
suckered out of mine a long time ago.

On the sample-and-hold front, I located the following:

  http://machines.hyperreal.org/manufacturers/Moog/schematics/

The JPEG links that begin with "1125" feature a block diagram, schematic, 
and layout/cable-assembly of "The Moog 1125 Sample and Hold Controller."

Another potentially interesting synth page I stumbled on:

  http://www.synthfool.com/index.html

And finally, the most irrelevant link:

  http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Station/8669/sonicv/

Take it easy,


Alan

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Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 09:50:37 -0700
From: James Takahashi 
Subject: gg: Re: Do they remember GG?

On Sun, 18 Jul 1999 23:48:16 -0400 (EDT), JohnEric wrote:
>To this day
>I ask way to many people I barely know if they remember GG.  More often		
>than not they don't.  I'm glad to hear another GG voice (or read one).

This reminds me of an incident at work.  A co-worker began a conversation
regarding music after noticing some of the (relatively pedestrian) CDs
sitting on my desk.  Naturally, I began asking about other musical
interests, to which he replied, "You'd be scared if you knew what else I
used to listen to."  I, of course, said "Try me".  So he replies, "Let's
see... have you ever heard of a band called 'Gentle Giant'?".  So I close
all the windows on my PC to reveal the Roger Dean "Octopus" wallpaper, and
say "Hmm... sounds vaguely familiar".  My office mate who is well aware of
my GG fanaticism then chimed in with, "You're lucky he didn't jump over the
wall and kiss you."  I guess you had to be there.

Since I'm here, might as well also say that I really enjoyed meeting a few
O-Rers in the flesh at last night's Gone Orchestra gig here in Portland,
Oar-ee-gone (locals hate it when you pronounce it that way).
Unfortunately, some sort of mix-up at the club caused a scheduling problem
where only half the Gone could stay.  Nevertheless, they did an admirable
job even at less than full strength, bolstered by a guest appearance by the
famous Ginny Landgraf on kaen/flute/misc.  Quite a trip to be able to
freely discuss GG with folks who share the fever.  I'll leave the full
GGettogether report to someone else (Scott? David?) who participated in the
full evening's events.

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Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 11:39:32 -0700 (PDT)
From: "David J. Loftus" 
Subject: gg: Re: NW GGetogether Diner location

On Wed, 28 Jul 1999, JohnEric wrote:

> All went well.  Thanks for coordinating!  See you later.  I do wish Jan
> and I could have caught Scott's band.


Me too!  Jonathan and Gwi-Yung showed up at Satyricon as well, but 
another band was setting up on the stage and was ready to fight for the 
space.  So The Gone Orchestra was bumped to second in the lineup -- 
11-ish -- and neither Scott, nor Jonathan and Gwi-Yung, nor I cared to stick 
around that late.  Ginny still wanted to hit the stage with the 
Goners who stayed.  Fortunately, another GG fan -- James Takahashi, who 
works at Sequent and has a post on O-R this morning -- showed up and 
wanted to stay to see Ginny and the band, so after she gave an impromptu 
solo kaen performance on the sidewalk for Jonathan and Gwi-Yung (about 
9:30), James drove us to my place with her gear, we visited and she 
played some more for Carole's benefit, and then they went back to the 
club.  Apparently James dropped Ginny off at our place after the show, 
long after I had gone to sleep.  I dropped her off at the airport this 
morning.

Fortunately, there will be other opportunities to see Scott's bands ... 
not only the Gone, but the Scott Steele Band (your basic rock cover bar 
band -- Eagles and Beatles and "Keep Your Hands To Yourself") at the Rock 
Creek Tavern in August -- and the McMenamin's Marching Band.  We'll be in 
touch.


David

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Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 15:27:42 -0300
From: "Daniel V.Gomes" 
Subject: gg: Yes 

hey

> but on the same token, we
> shouldn't be satisfied with something that on the surface tries to be
> complex just for the sake of being complex, which is what TFTO screams
> in volumes. You can't polish a turd.
>

Man, as I had said it's just a matter of taste enjoying the album. I
still do not think Yes TFTO could fit in that category you've put them.
But since it's your opinion I respect it.

seeya
Daniel
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of flesh is the death of hope, the death of dreams. Against this foe
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Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 15:42:44 -0300
From: "Daniel V.Gomes" 
Subject: gg: Prog Metal and Bill check the ps

hey

> Dream Theater are the only band I know of who fill this description. I
> pretty much dislike all heavy metal after about 1980 when it became a whole
> ugly mutated beast of a genre. However DT were the band that rescued me from
> a long rut of not buying music, of only listening to the radio and accepting
> my friends conclusions that we were at that age when music didn't matter
> much any more. That was just before I joined this list however which was the
> other saving grace.
>

The very first progressive metal band was Queensryche, who used
elements of both genres. They also released a concept album in
1988 which is always considered as one of the best prog metal
albums ever released.
It's not easy to describe what is progressive rock, you can wonder
about prog metal.
There are tons of prog metal bands around. I would even say there
are prog metal bands than progressive bands.
If you want to check some progressive metal bands please
check : Dream Theater, Fates Warning, Shadow Gallery,
Symphony X, Lemur Voice, Event, Pain Of Salvation.
Those are my favorite prog metal bands, but I don't know if
you are going to like them...

seeya
Daniel

ps Bill I got some cool books :Jack Vance, Robert Zelazny
Ursula etc. I found a place who sell books by how much they
weight hehehh really. 1 Kg = 10 dollars aprox.
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Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 14:00:57 -0700
From: Bob Angilly 
Subject: Re: gg: RE: Hidden messages

Worst case of this was RCA's Dynaflex discs which were designed to be superthin
(you could almost bend them to touch two sides together (have a number of old Jeff
Airplain, Nilsson, and Vangelis albums with this pressing)

Underdub@aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 7/29/99 7:33:45 AM Central Daylight Time,
> staffba3@gsd.harvard.edu writes:
>
> > (this
> >  was on Capitol, which at the time recycled all their unsold product so
> their
> >  records were slightly grey from the old labels which weren't scraped off
> >  properly before they melted down the records, old GG records have this same
> >  problem).
>
> I've always wondered why my tPatG seems to have self-destructed  - even with
> good care.  I always assumed it was because it was on one of those thin,
> floppy Capitol LP's that they put out for awhile.  You know the ones that
> were almost like those free plastic-sheet records in magazines.
> -DD-

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Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 15:05:43 EDT
From: WhytePunk@aol.com
Subject: Re: gg: Tales ... the final vibration?

In a message dated 7/29/99 8:48:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time, tomas@slic.com 
writes:

<< TALES may be spiritual for some, but one doesn't have to "dig" its
 spiritual side to dig the album.
 
 I guess I have to post the original messages here some folks will see what
 I'm talking about (I really don't like being misrepresented...). >>

      As an outsider reading this thread I saw where you were misinterpreted 
and I was wondering what you would say!...Hahaha, just remember though that 
it is e-mail and sometimes it's misread or sometimes it's just hard to figure 
out exactly what a person meant or was feeling. I had the same thing happen 
to me before and I had to go back and read the mails over and over again to 
see where I f%cked up. I hate making mistakes like that as much as hate being 
misrepresented! I also got confused one time on this list going back and 
forth with two members and with all the quoting and cutting and pasting I 
attributed a quote to the other person and it was a little embarrassing...  
: (        Hahahaha, well, it wasn't that bad, I didn't lose any sleep or 
anything...
      I might have to go out and get a copy of this "Tales" cd to see just 
what everyone is debating over...it sounds pretty good!!!     
                                                           Neil

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Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 15:04:30 +0000
From: Diana Green 
Subject: Re: gg: Prog Metal and Bill check the ps

hail;
re:


"Daniel V.Gomes" wrote:

> hey
>
>
> It's not easy to describe what is progressive rock, you can wonder
> about prog metal.
> There are tons of prog metal bands around. I would even say there
> are prog metal bands than progressive bands.

Yes. There was a prog metal sampler included in the previous issue of Progression.
I listened to it once and I'm giving it away. If I want to be screamed at, I'll
watch Jerry Springer or put on The Crazy World of Arthur Brown, thank you.
still,
dg
np[: GG: Three Friends

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Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 13:47:55 -0700
From: "Scott Steele" 
Subject: gg: More 2-LP sets; 3-sided LPs; where the scratches are; taping CDs for the car

2-LP sets that kick ass:

>Manassas: same

>Something/Anything: Todd R.

>Physical Graffity: Led Zep

though there was "filler" on the latter.

>An LP with three sides, now that would be a marvel of technology ..

Johnny Winter made one (Side Four was blank).  Johnny Winter And, Live?  

>When I listen to some of my old vinyl these days, it's funny how the album cruises along sounding just fine, and then it comes to "Tank", or "Black Queen", or some fave, and all sonic hell breaks loose.

Hee hee, right on!  I know which ones were on sampler tapes that way.  (Black Queen is dug up on my vinyl too.)

>Bob Taylor makes an interesting point about taping CD's as well.  This is something I also do, as I have a 45 minute drive to and from the office each day.

Here's my taping game:  Every time I buy a new CD I put 10 minutes from it onto a tape, and that's what I hear in my car.  - S.

np:  Rush, Hemispheres

scottst@ohsu.edu

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Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 17:16:49 -0400
From: Marty Mermelstein 
Subject: gg: TULL AND HTM/TFTO

From Marty Mermelstein
Marty@Global.Dataart.com

To answer my own question here are the release dates I asked about
yesterday.

J-T DOT COM  August 24
HTM Crafty Hands and HTM September 7

I love TFTO.  I recently purchased a remastered CD version and have a
renewed interest.
I admit I like it more now than When i first got it in 1794 (?).

I am a bit gunshy about any new Yes after open your eyes and will await
reviews upon release of the Ladder.
A real shame as KTAII was so good.

Regards,
Marty.

PS. glad someone mentioned nash the slash. What about  Ben Mink.
Also glas to see the sherbs mentioned.  I have both there albums on
vinyl as I got them as promo copies on first release.  Defying gravity
is exceptional.  They are not quite pure prog but have nice hooks, good
instrumentation and great vocals.

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Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 14:12:42 -0700
From: "Scott Steele" 
Subject: gg: V-Bert's friends; GG reviews; more 2-LP sets; Sonic Seasonings

>(BTW, Charles, in case you wonder: got it through Geir who received yet another copy.)

It is nice for V-Bert that he has high friends in places.  Er, I mean friends in high places.

>I have been a subscriber to O-R for many years.  While I have written in on occasion, it has been a rare occurrence.

Hey!  what gives?  ;)

>I'm older (38)

that's younger!  ;)

>So, after MUCH delay, here's the first.  I'll try and follow up with different ones as time permits.  I'll start with Free Hand.

Thanks!  That was fun to read.

>Captain Beefheart: Trout Mask Replica
>Miles Davis: Bitches Brew
>Soft Machine: Third
>Who: Tommy
>Zappa/Mothers: Roxy And Elsewhere (recorded live, but all new material, so it counts)
>...and the one I'll get in the most trouble for:
>Beatles: The Beatles ("white album")

yeah baby!  All slam dunks!

>Jimi Hendrix: Electric Ladyland (yes, there is "Little Miss Strange," but after loving this album for 30 years, I'm sure I'd miss it if it weren't there)

The stuff Jimi plays on that song is so incredibly cool, even if the song is pretty trite.

>>Miles Davis: Get Up With It

>don't know this one at all

I loved him madly.

>Is W. Carlos "Sonic Seasons" available anywhere?  That was a wonderful experience!

It's remastered for CD and re-released on the custom W. Carlos label, whatever that is.  I say, go for it Jee.  - S.

np:  Gary Willis, No Sweat

scottst@ohsu.edu

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Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 14:32:11 -0700
From: "Scott Steele" 
Subject: gg: Naked ears were tortured; more 2-LP sets; It Bites or not; Musea sound quality

>tiny purple fishes run laughing through your fingers

and you want to take her with you to the hard land of the winter.

>3. Tony Williams Lifetime "Emergency"

yeah baby!

>4.  Miles Davis  "Live Evil"  title says it all

John McLaughlin whips it out.  Guitar players run for cover.

>>...and the *expletive deleted* from "It Bites"...

>Just a minute here! Are you trying to say that It Bites were BAD??? If so, then clean your ears and listen again - especially to "Eat me in St. Louis"!

God forbid you should express your opinion around here, but that song about Sara's lost her mind sounds great right after In the Cage by the Lambs.  Er, Genesis.

>Anyone who can comment on Musea sound quality in general?

Thumbs up.  - S.

np:  Sadhappy:  Live before we were dead (this totally rocks my world)

scottst@ohsu.edu

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Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 18:13:57 -0400
From: "Drew W. Eaton" 
Subject: gg: Re: NonGG: Mahavishnu

>Found on the net.
>Legacy Records to release Mahavishnu Orchestra's " The Lost Trident
>Sessions", featuring John McLaughlin, Jan Hammer, Jerry Goodman, et al, on
>September 14, 1999.


YYYYYYYEEEEEEAAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!

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Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 15:18:09 -0700
From: "Scott Steele" 
Subject: gg: Bruford; Prog metal; violinists; Big Generator; Carlos Heaven and Hell

>Speaking of Da Broof, I heard recently he WON'T be in the next KC incarnation, because he's really concentrating his energies on
jazz(YEEEEAH!!!!!). Anyone else heard this?

Yeah that's true and also it opens up a little of the gridlock that arrests King Crimson.

>Sorry to de-lurk with an off topic, uninformed question but I just have to ask... what the heck is Prog metal?

Dream Theater and groups that sound like them.

>BTW check out BBs Earthworks CD A part and not apart on DGM - it is superb.

Right you are Nick

>Can anyone recommend any good rock and or jazz violinists [besides The Shulman Bros, David Cross (King Crimson), Eddie Jobson (Zappa, Roxy Music, solo), Jerry Goodman (Mahavishnu Orchestra, Dreggs), Jean Luc Ponty, Didier Lockwood, Charlie Daniels] ?

Charlie Daniels??

You should get the new Vertu CD and treat yourself to the violin playing of Karen Briggs.  She's a star in a great setting.  I hear she also plays on Yanni's Live at the Acropolis but I do not know that for sure.

There is a fellow named Charlie Bisharat that plays great, unfortunately he surrounds himself with cheesy LA studio playing and simplistic songs.  He was on a Shadowfax album and deported himself well there.

Regina Carter does a fine job on the new Steve Turre album, and she has a good record out under her own name.

L Shankar kicks ass.

Michal Urbaniak is wonderful.

Jean-Luc Ponty ain't dead yet (Live from Chene Park is a force to be reckoned with).

Jerry Goodman will be sitting in with the Dixie Dregs on some California dates in late August, wish I was going.

Mark O'Connor plays in every style.

And I'll bet there are more!

>Hell, I even loved Big Generator!  Am I Evil?

Not evil, but living proof that too much Man makes you deaf.  ;)

>By the way, I haven't heard that new Heaven and Hell disc yet. Is it good?

Yeah Billy, go get it.  It's nice.  I need the Sonic Seasonings myself.  - S.

np:  Bruford, GG Tornado

scottst@ohsu.edu

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Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 15:56:54 -0700
From: "Scott Steele" 
Subject: gg: More violinists; Passport; Simon tries hard to like UK (the group)

>Robbie Steinhardt of Kansas, of course;

David Ragsdale is killin'.

>I'll shout out Boud Deun here.  Greg Hiser is the violinist

Right on, he's killin' too.

>np  Passport  'Looking Thru'

That's a cool one Steve!

>Mark O'Connor....and correct me if I'm wrong but I think that the latter was on at least one Dixie Dregs recording.

Industry Standard, and Stand Up by Morse.

>> I endured 5 plays of the thing to get that far. I used to *really* hate it!  Simon

>Give Simon credit, at least he tried.  Not all music is for
veryone.  -David Eric

Bravo Simon.  Voltaire would be proud of us both.

>SCARLET RIVERA

What's she up to lately?

>David LaFlamme (It's A Beautiful Day)

Not that great of a player.  But in the right place at the right time with the right idea.

>Don Sugercane Harris (John Mayall, Zappa)

Of all these violinists we've been talking about, he has an immediate recognizable style, perhaps only L Shankar is as immediately oh-that's-him.  - S.

np:  Zony Mash, Brand Spankin' New

scottst@ohsu.edu

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Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 15:56:54 -0700
From: "Scott Steele" 
Subject: gg: More violinists; Passport; Simon tries hard to like UK (the group)

>Robbie Steinhardt of Kansas, of course;

David Ragsdale is killin'.

>I'll shout out Boud Deun here.  Greg Hiser is the violinist

Right on, he's killin' too.

>np  Passport  'Looking Thru'

That's a cool one Steve!

>Mark O'Connor....and correct me if I'm wrong but I think that the latter was on at least one Dixie Dregs recording.

Industry Standard, and Stand Up by Morse.

>> I endured 5 plays of the thing to get that far. I used to *really* hate it!  Simon

>Give Simon credit, at least he tried.  Not all music is for
veryone.  -David Eric

Bravo Simon.  Voltaire would be proud of us both.

>SCARLET RIVERA

What's she up to lately?

>David LaFlamme (It's A Beautiful Day)

Not that great of a player.  But in the right place at the right time with the right idea.

>Don Sugercane Harris (John Mayall, Zappa)

Of all these violinists we've been talking about, he has an immediate recognizable style, perhaps only L Shankar is as immediately oh-that's-him.  - S.

np:  Zony Mash, Brand Spankin' New

scottst@ohsu.edu

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Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 16:20:16 -0700
From: "Scott Steele" 
Subject: gg: Mark O'Connor; the next cut; more violinists; GGettogethers!; GG videos!; Gillan; Dok

>Didn't Mark O'Conner play in the David Grisman Quintet?
Fast jazzy bluegrass

Yes sir.

>This seems as good a time as any to ask if other people "hear" cuts before they arrive.  In other words, you know an album so well that when a cut ends, maybe even BEFORE it does -- you can hear the next one in your mind.

Yes, and I hear the next cut on my oldest compilation tapes too.

>np:PFM-Jet Lag

Another good violinist, at least two passed through PFM.

>We had a terrific time at Scott Steele's place in the woods near the mouth of the Columbia River Gorge last night.  Scott and Barbara laid on a huge spread of vittles, we watched GG concert video footage, and then jammed out on the porch after 11 p.m.

Thanks for mentioning this David - I had a great time too and I hope we can do it again soon.  You haven't lived until you've heard Doug Smith and Ginny Landgraf trade tunes.

>Present were confirmed fans Scott, Doug Smith, Ginny and myself, as well as Barbara (everybody will be happy to know she has a new position and is no longer doing evil things to mice, so there's hope for her soul after all), Doug's companion the flautist Judy Koch,

who played the good parts to several Tull songs while the awesome Doug accompanied her

>and several teens who mostly just flitted through the room at odd moments.

I have two and Babs has one who has lots of friends.  ;)

>Scott and I have located three other fans in the Portland area via the Internet (JohnEric/JEE just recently started posting to O-R, and Jonathan Ayers has also been seen around these parts now and then), and maybe four (he says he's only familiar with the FIRST album, which he loves, so he's shy about discussing any of the othes), but they were not able to make it.

Partly because I live in the sticks.  ;)

>Watching the videos, we noticed a few things I had not seen before, especially in the excellent German TV performance.  The camera catches a quick, brief grimace on Kerry's face as his keyboard fails to come in at the right moment, I think early in "Knots" -- watch closely or you'll miss this delightful instant.  Shortly after Kerry leaves the keyboard pit for the percussion extravaganza in "So Sincere," a drum mallet flips out of the drum circle and over the keyboards into the pit he vacated.  Somebody else already pointed out last week that after that, Gary either 
purposely or accidentally flips a drumstick and fails to catch it as it 
goes flying -- he's laughing his head off.

>Being able to see the boys do the things we've been hearing for so long can be a revelation (although the damn cameramen give us far too many closeups -- stupid ones, too -- and lose a lot of vital information; e.g., we get lots of footage of Ray plucking his fairly simple bass line while the rest of the boys are starting up and playing their recorders in "The Advent of Panurge";  and I would have loved to see each guy peel off the bells and return to his drums -- memory and sonics tell me Derek leaves first to pound his big bass and John peels off to return to his kit third, but I don't know the order aside from that ... who's the last guy valiantly tinkling away on bells alone when the other four are back on 
their skins?).  Derek does a lot of backing of the others on bass, and I guess I never realized all five play guitars on "Memories of Old Days."  (The only other band I've seen do that was Blue Oyster Cult on "ME 262" - -- a VERY different tune!)  I was astounded to realize that all the noise during the minute-or-so jam of "So Sincere" that immediately precedes the drum quintet is created by only two guys -- Gary and Kerry ... with John drumming behind, of course.  It's a power trio!  (What are the Shulmans 
doing at that point?  Helping the roadies place the drums and bells?)

>During OUR jam, Ginny favored us with her terrific rendition of "Wreck," with Scott and Doug trying to follow along with their acoustic guitars.  (None of us could remember the lyrics, I guess, so I just sort of howled the hey-ay-ay-ays.)  Then Doug played "A Reunion" while I sang lead.  Ginny did Jethro Tull's "Sea Lion" -- I think that was the one to which she did some dancing while blowing the kaen.  Doug responded by playing the guitar line to "Thick as a Brick" while Ginny sang lead and the rest of us joined in on the choruses.  Ginny and the boys made a valiant attempt 
to do "Play the Game" and almost succeeded.  Doug also showed us that he can play a fair amount of "So Sincere" on the acoustic guitar, but he hadn't worked up "Proclamation" enough to do it fluidly.  Ginny knocked us out with her version of "21st Century Schizoid Man" -- barking the "verses" and then playing a musical break that I think she said came from a composition by Martin Luther -- you know, the champion of the Reformation?

"Wait until I nail the lyrics of *this* tune up against the church door!"

>All in all, a splendid evening.  We're planning to get together Wednesday for dinner downtown before Scott's show with the Gone Orchestra at a club called Satyricon.

That was another great evening at a good restaurant with people with excellent musical taste.  Unfortunately the Gone show was marred by a schedule change - everyone in the band thought we were hitting the stage at 9:30 and about half the band left before the actual 11:30 starting time.  Of course when half the Gone leaves, you still have a 6-piece band or so.

>Tonight I hear Scott is luring Ginny into the recording studio with her kaen to lay down a track or two with the G.O.  But don't quote me on that.

The first piece we recorded was kaen, didgeridu, and percussion - what a great moment.  Ginny is now Gone.

>I think it's about time someone yelled: "Bonjourno boys and girls! Get Clear Air Turbulence - IAN GILLAN BAND. It's AWESOME".
But I don't keep my hopes up. ;^)  c-ya, v-b

Thanks Veeb, for playing the part of the Rantmaster!  (I agree, Clear Air Turbulence is thunderous.)

>Alessandro Bonetti from Deus ex Machina; Sasha Olenjuk from Devil Doll, Joachim Gustafsson from Isildurs Bane, Anne Wood (played on Heidi Berry's last album), and some folks really like Warren Ellis from the Dirty Three.... oh and don't forget funny boy Ashley MacIsaac.

Dok baby, thanks for the violinfo and I haven't forgotten you.  - S.

np:  Gary Willis, Bent (we want the funk, gotta have that funk)

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