on-reflection-digest Saturday, July 31 1999 Volume 01 : Number 1796 gg: Re: Songs from the Wood Re: gg: Freaks; JLP; the JM mailing list; Out of the Fire; E, L, and P; Tonedogs; red violin; Dok baby; Mats gg: I love to admit ... Re: gg: silly friday Re: nongg: Divining Rods gg: GG, Akkerman & Thijs Van Leer gg: The Magic Elf sez, "Eat your macaroni!" (or Listen to Some Metal) gg: The Flying Nun gg: Re: The Magic Elf sez, "Eat your macaroni!" (or Listen to Some Metal) gg: Strange dreams... Re: gg: The Magic Elf sez, "Eat your macaroni!" (or Listen to Some Metal) gg: my bet's in gg: Very 'eavy...very 'umble Re: gg: Kevin Wilkinson; MO Trident sessions; Didier Lockwood; JamesTakahashi; my bands; representation Re: gg: no GG: Re: Dynaflex Re: nongg: Divining Rods Re: gg: some GG content, I promise! Re: gg: Very 'eavy...very 'umble Re: gg: some GG content, I promise! Re: gg: Very 'eavy...very 'umble gg: Ricky Martin. Re: gg: no GG: Re: Dynaflex ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 19:40:48 -0700 (PDT) From: JohnEric Subject: gg: Re: Songs from the Wood I liked Masques! Yes, let's compare calendars when you get back. JEE - --- Scott Steele wrote: > They'll make you feel much better than you could know. > > >I would enjoy a weekend outing to your place. I used to play guitar > and banjo in a woodsy setting down in AZ, with a like minded gnome > friend named Dan Clark. God only knows where he is now. I haven't > touched any strings since a very bad relationship ... years ago. In any > case, I would love to hear strings in the sticks. I would also enjoy > that video. > > Well then, let's do it. I'm preoccupied right now because I'm leaving > town for about a week, but after that let's look at our calendars and > get it on the schedule. Doug Smith is an awesome player - I wish I were > that good. > > >Hey, you mentioned Jaco P., how do you feel about Morris Pert? > > He's divine. An underrated Brand X album is Masques, and Morris wrote a > lot of the coolest tunes on that one. - S. > > _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 19:52:49 -0700 (PDT) From: JohnEric Subject: Re: gg: Freaks; JLP; the JM mailing list; Out of the Fire; E, L, and P; Tonedogs; red violin; Dok baby; Mats Run, don't walk, to buy that ELP tribute! Emerson wrote an endorsement inside the CD book. There are appearances by: Peter Banks, Jerry Goodman, MARTIN BARRE (Time and a Place), Pat Mastelotto, John Wetton, Geoff Downes, members of Magellan and Dream Theatre, and others. This tribute is better than the Genesis Tribute (in my opinion). I absolutely CRANK Hoedown, and loved Tarkus. OK, I'll quit now. JEE - --- Scott Steele wrote: > >While various members of the band were digesting the bad news -- old > folks like us are less inclined to stay up past midnight anymore -- and > milling around the door to Satyricon, one of them made a remark about > the "Goners." I observed that in the end, we're all Goners. > > Gobble gooble. One of us. ;) > > >>"Aurora" (76) have to be absolutely seminal modern violin works. This > is another on in my Top Ten! I saw Ponty 4 times, in 76 and 77, at a > small venue in western MA,, where I was able to sit 20 feet away from > him each time. Mesmerizing performances, each one. > > >I think Steurmer was the guitarist for three of the gigs. Best > performances I ever saw until I saw Earthworks a few weeks ago! > > I have two favorite JLP concerts. One was when he played the Starwood > in Los Angeles right after Aurora came out, and Tom Fowler played the > second violin part on Renaissance, while Mark Craney played bass drum > and hi hat with his feet and bass guitar with his hands. Very > impressive. (The rest of the show was great too.) The other favorite > JLP concert was when my high school buddy was roadying for him and > tripped over his cable and unplugged him during the unaccompanied loopy > violin solo. Oh yeah, and the third one was when they opened for Joan > Armatrading right after Enigmatic Ocean came out, and every tempo was > ridiculously fast, and we had to leave during Joan's set because we were > just exhausted by JLP, Ralphe, Steve Smith, Allan Zavod, Daryl Steumer, > and Joaquin Llevano. > > >Scott, I'm embarased to say that I'm not sure what the One-word list > is. > > You need not be embarrassed - it is the John McLaughlin mailing list. > For more info, send word "help" to majordomo@ml.ee or perhaps get in > touch with owner-one-word-daily@ml.ee. > > >I just bought a live album from Gentle Giant called " out of the fire - > the bbc concerts ". > > Great stuff eh? I love it all, especially > > > 2- way of life > > It re-convinces me that GG was the right guitarist for GG. > > >For those of you who haven't heard it, the ELP tribute on Magna Carta > recordings (Encores, Legends, and Paradox)has Jerry Goodman playing on > Hoedown! My oh my ... it put the hair up al over my body. > > Oh man, I better get this right away. > > >Yes!!! Another Sadhappy fan! I saw them twice in Seattle. What do you > think of the Tonedogs? Amy is a bit strange, but then so is L. > Anderson. I enjoy L. Anderson. > > I need to hear some Tonedogs. I love Amy Denio. One of my favorite > gigs was Amy Denio, Eric Stewart of the Gone Orch, and another fellow > whose name I forget backing David Thomas of Pere Ubu at NxNW a couple of > years ago. > > Was Fred Chalenor also in the Tonedogs? He's a great bass player. > > >Has anybody else caught, or better, plan on seeing the movie "The Red > Violin"? > > Hi Toby, it's cool that you're back on a regular basis. I plan on > seeing it, especially now that you have talked it up. Thanks sir. > > >I want anybody planning on seeing this film to please look carefully to > see if metal or gut strings are on the violins in the earlier eras. > > Will do sir. > > >>Dok baby, thanks for the violinfo and I haven't forgotten you. - S.< > > >Beam me up Scotty! How long do I have to wait?!?! > > Vvvvt. One more week. > > >np Mats/Morgan The Music or the Money (if I only had a clavinet....) > > These are the guys on Zappa's Universe? Do I need to buy this CD too? > Groan. > > Bif, thanks for the in-depth analysis of TfTO. I will re-listen and > read along. - S. > > np: Saga, Behaviour > > scottst@ohsu.edu > > _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 20:00:32 -0700 (PDT) From: JohnEric Subject: gg: I love to admit ... I admit to enjoying the return of the heavy rock riff bands. Of course I am decidedly eclectic. My love of GG proves that. I get a kick out of seeing old rock bands back on the road. Even Riot (not Quiet Riot) has a new one out ... although I didn't like their speed metal phase ... and Saxon still tours as well. Are my rock roots showing? JEE _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 20:12:36 -0700 (PDT) From: JohnEric Subject: Re: gg: silly friday He looked defiant, but _ent away quietly shaking his head. JEE - --- "Lottich, Steve" wrote: > David: > > ...I pulled out the > > mandolin my > > wife gave me for my birthday a year ago... > > You pulled it out of WHERE??? > _ _ _ > > JEE, at the end of his pretentious Brit co-worker story: > > ...He > > looked defiant, > > but w > > But "w"? But WHAT??? C'mon, I'm on the edge of my s > _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 23:19:37 -0400 (EDT) From: mammienun@webtv.net Subject: Re: nongg: Divining Rods I came up wth Jeff Lorbers Water Signs ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 20:33:28 -0700 (PDT) From: JohnEric Subject: gg: GG, Akkerman & Thijs Van Leer This is a Pleasant GG group evening. Perhaps it is just because it's Friday, and I've been listening to Gentle Giant quite a bit today, but I feel good enough right now to admit to not listening to GG while writing to the GG group. Yes, that's right ... HA HA. A sword lads! I've got some vinyl on the platter ... the two man Focus release, featuring only Akkerman and Leer. Wonderful stuff. Speaking of Prog. rock ... what about Renaissance? Did anyone really like them at all, or were they as boring as I remember them to be? I think I was Dregs, Genesis, and Gentle Giant spoiled at the time I ran across one of their LPs. JEE and wife will be checking out the following for weekend fun: The Blair movie thing, and the Haunting. Has anyone in this group seen these? Opinions only from movie thrill seekers, please. JEE _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 22:39:39 -0500 From: DE Johnson Subject: gg: The Magic Elf sez, "Eat your macaroni!" (or Listen to Some Metal) GILLIGAN! (D)...and don't forget the Dillinger Escape Plan. They should have (J)a cd out on Roadrunner in Sept/Oct...which reminds me... (C) (i)The definitions of 'prog-metal' I've seen have been pretty limited. (V)There has been no mention of Cynic, Meshuggah, thought industry, (i)Pestilence, Believer, Death, Tourniquet, Decision D...I could go on, (L)but I won't. There seems to be a general dislike for this type of (i)material on this list. IMSNSHO, it's been the best prog going since (A)the 70's. I don't care much for most of the stuff that's called prog (N)these daze. CiViLiAN ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 23:45:01 -0400 (EDT) From: mammienun@webtv.net Subject: gg: The Flying Nun Hey, just because I don't respond to every post....I've had a busy couple of weeks. 1st off, I'm still working on GORGG lodging..I've turned to 'professionals' for help. I hope to have something concrete for ya'll early next week. 2ndly..I'll bet Gary C. is glad he didn't grab those R. Waters tix from me..I had to send them to Jersey to exchange them for 'comparable' seats in Albany...we'll see. 3rd..I told Marty..Mr. Benjamin et al may be interested to know that the Sherbs are available on cd but you'll have to look for them as 'Sherbet'. 4th...not that anyone cares..my group 'Slick Woody' will be playing our 1st gig tomorrow. It's a Polish wedding for which we did learn 3 polkas! Sunday we'll be playing at a fireman's field days. Get out the hoses! Our 'format' is 50's, 60's, 70's, 80's, and 90's rock 'n roll...we figure that should just about cover all the bases. 5th..What? There is no more. n.p. webtv muzak n.d. coca cola..I'm trying to stay alcohol free. It's my 6th day..ARRGGH! Later, Ez ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 23:54:28 -0400 From: "drj_saro" Subject: gg: Re: The Magic Elf sez, "Eat your macaroni!" (or Listen to Some Metal) From: DE Johnson >(i)The definitions of 'prog-metal' I've seen have been pretty limited. ... >(L)... There seems to be a general dislike for this type of >(i)material on this list. IMSNSHO, it's been the best prog going since >(A)the 70's. I don't care much for most of the stuff that's called prog >(N)these daze. just out of curiosity, have you heard... Divae DFA H2O After Crying Terra Mistica Blezqi Zatsaz Parallel or 90 Degrees Citizen Cain (or Xitzen Xain) thank you for your time and attention. Julius J. SAROKA drj_saro@neo.rr.com Cuyahoga Falls OHIO ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 23:58:51 -0400 (EDT) From: mammienun@webtv.net Subject: gg: Strange dreams... I usually don't recall what I've been dreaming about, but on day 2 of my 'hiatus from beer' (oh how I long for it) I dreamt I was at GORGG and all you mothers were 7ft. tall! Ayeyiyiyiyi. Please tell me it was only a, mammiedream. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 21:14:15 -0700 (PDT) From: JohnEric Subject: Re: gg: The Magic Elf sez, "Eat your macaroni!" (or Listen to Some Metal) I have the Cynic's 4 cut release "Beat the Cynics", from 1980. Does that count? I've heard Tourniquet, but wasn't too impressed ... no offense. JEE - --- DE Johnson wrote: > GILLIGAN! > > (D)...and don't forget the Dillinger Escape Plan. They should have > (J)a cd out on Roadrunner in Sept/Oct...which reminds me... > (C) > (i)The definitions of 'prog-metal' I've seen have been pretty limited. > (V)There has been no mention of Cynic, Meshuggah, thought industry, > (i)Pestilence, Believer, Death, Tourniquet, Decision D...I could go on, > (L)but I won't. There seems to be a general dislike for this type of > (i)material on this list. IMSNSHO, it's been the best prog going since > (A)the 70's. I don't care much for most of the stuff that's called prog > (N)these daze. > > > > > CiViLiAN > > _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 00:16:24 -0400 From: Richard Hilton Subject: gg: my bet's in At 10:39 PM -0400 7/30/99, the distinguished gentleman from Arkansas, Mr. Warren, wrote: >So, my estimation of the prog GG song to rank last has officially ;-) >changed to something on IN A GLASS HOUSE (not the excellent stuff on >there, ok, like "The Runaway"!). Can you guess which less-than-stellar >tune I'm refering to? Seeing as how "Way of Life" is one of my very favorite GG songs, I'd bet that was it. Just guessing, Rich Richard Hilton/Boppybop Toons Inc. http://members.aol.com/hiltonius/BTI_page.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 00:25:44 EDT From: Biffyshrew@aol.com Subject: gg: Very 'eavy...very 'umble Scott Steele wrote: >>If I want to be screamed at, I'll watch Jerry Springer or put on The Crazy >>World of Arthur Brown, thank you. > >Oh no. {OH NO!} You're gonna burn . . . One of the first albums I ever owned, and a favorite to this day. (Or were you making a reference to Jerry Springer?) >>For those of you who haven't heard it, the ELP tribute on Magna Carta >>recordings (Encores, Legends, and Paradox)has Jerry Goodman playing on >>Hoedown! My oh my ... it put the hair up al over my body. > >Oh man, I better get this right away. I just got this last week, and I must say it's the absolute worst album I've wasted my money on all year. (I would say "by far," but, being a Zappa completist, I also recently purchased the expanded reissue of Grand Funk Railroad's inappropriately titled _Good Singin' Good Playin'_.) I couldn't even get more than halfway through it on first listen; it was just too painful. And that was before I'd even heard the ultra-embarrassing version of "The Sheriff" or the rancid rewrite of "The Endless Enigma." *** James Warren wrote: >Neil, since you are looking to invest in a copy of TALES, I recommend >that it would be worth the effort and extra dough to buy this HDCD >Japanese miniature paper sleeve version. I keep hoping to run across a copy of this edition, although my hopes have been tempered by the fact that the Japanese paper-sleeve edition of _Relayer_ wasn't as big an improvement over the U.S. CD as I'd hoped for. But the domestic _Tales_ CD, even in its remastered version, sounds terribly muffled. The original LP was very bright; I have yet to hear a reissue on vinyl or CD to match it. >I'd be interested to read a convincing defense of Uriah Heep Um, I kinda like 'em. A bit. Sorry, that's the best I can do. (Actually, _Salisbury_ is rather good, and features some nice orchestration.) Give him a flower, Biffy the Elephant Shrew ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 23:42:33 +0000 From: Diana Green Subject: Re: gg: Kevin Wilkinson; MO Trident sessions; Didier Lockwood; JamesTakahashi; my bands; representation hail all; and a special thanks and howdy-do to Mr. Slot Sleet for the wonderful Gone Orchestra cds, tea bag, migraine pills, broken plastic fork and musical note pin that came in last week's post. Delightful stuff, especially the fork- I mean the music! Mr. Sleet, if you need some album cover art, there's this crazy woman who does big band comics and loves Gentle Giant....;-> still, dg rp: GG: Glass House Tour "collector's disc" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 23:49:53 +0000 From: Diana Green Subject: Re: gg: no GG: Re: Dynaflex hail; re: Alan Benjamin wrote: > > In terms of label/glue fragments being recycled into vinyl, I seem to > remember that 20th Century and Sire put out some of the worst. (That reminds > me: What's the scoop on the release of the first two Ambrosia albums on CD?) I have the first on beat up vinyl. thought there was a One Way reissue of it once but I might be wrong. > > On the opposite end, Warner Bros. put out a lot of pressings that were > fairly clean, especially into the later '70s and early '80s. (This still > doesn't make up for the fact that they still haven't reissued Mark O'Connors > _Meanings Of_ on CD!) While we're on he subject, someone should rattle Rounder's cage ( what a great name for a label - Rounder Records!) and get them to reissue my personal fave, False Dawn, on CD. the folks at the local folk music store- it still amazes and delights me that we have such a thing- say it' s never been out on cd. grrr.... still, dg ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 23:54:21 +0000 From: Diana Green Subject: Re: nongg: Divining Rods hail; re: Claudio666@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 7/30/99 6:51:02 AM Mountain Daylight Time, > anton@musicnut.freeserve.co.uk writes: > > << I have turned up a few Water Boys, River City People and Greg Lake fans but > that's about all. >> > > I found Watercourse Way and Sally Oldfield's Water Bearer... And of course David Carradine's (yes, that one) band was called Water. Saw them on vid once many years ago and thought they were fun. And let's not forget Kit Watkins' album Wet, Dark and Low.. still, dg ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 00:07:58 +0000 From: Diana Green Subject: Re: gg: some GG content, I promise! - --------------4A34C98C93A8BC688829157E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hail; re: James Warren wrote: > .>From the majority of my on-reflection contributions, perhaps you guys > think I am not a discriminating listener when it comes to music (esp. > prog)? For instance, I like TALES, I like Triumvirat, I like THE > LAMB... I even like Starcastle! (etc.). But one band I still cannot > stomach was Uriah Heep (sorry Diana). Huh? No skin off my armpit, I don't think I've ever owned one of their albums. I used to play the b side of the single on the jukebox at my junior college, but then, I was always playing b sides, they're were usually more interesting just because I hadn't heard them. but moi a Heephead? Nay, nay, I say thee NAY! > > Speaking of reassessment (and Gentle Giant), I have spent some time > relistening to "Mister Class and Quality?". < edit > > is to give listens to the > remastered version (out of its familiar context on the THREE FRIENDS > concept album) on the EDGE OF TWILIGHT 2cd compilation instead. Again, > coincidentally, it is proceeded on this collection on cd 1 by "Playing > the Game"! {I wonder if there is any reason worth considering about > why the choice was made to put these songs right after each other? > Perhaps Dan Barrett, who compiled the songs, has an interesting > answer?} I think they have a similar cadence, but I'll leave ti to those on list more versed in theory to delve into it fully. > The remastering helps me appreciate all the neat stuff that > goes on during "MCAQ?". I now listen to it with less reservations. I > guess I now count it as a "guilty pleasure" because while I enjoy it > more, I can't quite abandon my arguments about where it is lacking. funny- I feel that way about "the Face" and "Rock Climber". Not bad songs by any stretch, but surely not at the top of the GG repertoire. > > So, my estimation of the prog GG song to rank last has officially ;-) > changed to something on IN A GLASS HOUSE (not the excellent stuff on > there, ok, like "The Runaway"!). Can you guess which less-than-stellar > tune I'm refering to? Given your recently expressed tastes and similarities of the songs on Glass House to those you've previously stated a dislike for, I'd go with "way of Life". Mind you, it doesn't bother me, but as a goalie friend of mine used to say, different knobs for different jobs. > JJW > (any other AVENGERS fans up here besides > Kiirja and me?) > Quite. steed, dg - --------------4A34C98C93A8BC688829157E Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hail;
re:
 

James Warren wrote:

.>From the majority of my on-reflection contributions, perhaps you guys
think I am not a discriminating listener when it comes to music (esp.
prog)?  For instance, I like TALES, I like Triumvirat, I like THE
LAMB... I even like Starcastle! (etc.).  But one band I still cannot
stomach was Uriah Heep (sorry Diana).
Huh? No skin off my armpit, I don't think I've ever owned one of their albums. I used to play the b side of the single on the jukebox at my junior college, but then, I was always playing b sides, they're were usually more interesting just because I hadn't heard them.  but moi a Heephead? Nay, nay, I say thee NAY!
 
Speaking of reassessment (and Gentle Giant), I have spent some time
relistening to "Mister Class and Quality?".
< edit >
is to give listens to the
remastered version (out of its familiar context on the THREE FRIENDS
concept album) on the EDGE OF TWILIGHT 2cd compilation instead.  Again,
coincidentally, it is proceeded on this collection on cd 1 by "Playing
the Game"!  {I wonder if there is any reason worth considering about
why the choice was made to put these songs right after each other?
Perhaps Dan Barrett, who compiled the songs, has an interesting
answer?}
 I think they have a similar cadence, but I'll leave ti to those on list more versed in theory to delve into it fully.
 The remastering helps me appreciate all the neat stuff that
goes on during "MCAQ?".  I now listen to it with less reservations.  I
guess I now count it as a "guilty pleasure" because while I enjoy it
more, I can't quite abandon my arguments about where it is lacking.
funny- I feel that way about "the Face" and "Rock Climber". Not bad songs by any stretch, but surely not at the top of the GG repertoire.
 
So, my estimation of the prog GG song to rank last has officially ;-)
changed to something on IN A GLASS HOUSE (not the excellent stuff on
there, ok, like "The Runaway"!).  Can you guess which less-than-stellar
tune I'm refering to?
Given your recently expressed tastes and similarities of the songs on Glass House to those you've previously stated a dislike for, I'd go with "way of Life". Mind you, it doesn't bother me, but as a goalie friend of mine used to say, different knobs for different jobs.
                 JJW
            (any other AVENGERS fans up here besides
                Kiirja and me?)
Quite.
steed,
dg
  - --------------4A34C98C93A8BC688829157E-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 22:17:35 -0700 (PDT) From: JohnEric Subject: Re: gg: Very 'eavy...very 'umble Opinions abound. Let's see, on the ELP tribute ... that's one 'No' vote to my enthusiastic 'Yes' vote. One friend and ELP fan I know felt this way, "If I want ELP, I'll listen to ELP". I said, "You won't be listening to ELP ... you'll be listening to some fine musicians who have spent quality studio time to produce a loving tribute these three prog rock icons. they don't reproduce the original, and don't pretend to. This is not a re master or rework. It's another 'treatment'." Having heard that, my friend listened to the tribute and enjoyed about half of it. He didn't like "The Sheriff" either. Opinions, opinions, opinions. JEE - --- Biffyshrew@aol.com wrote: > Scott Steele wrote: > > >>If I want to be screamed at, I'll watch Jerry Springer or put on The > Crazy > >>World of Arthur Brown, thank you. > > > >Oh no. {OH NO!} You're gonna burn . . . > > One of the first albums I ever owned, and a favorite to this day. > > (Or were you making a reference to Jerry Springer?) > > >>For those of you who haven't heard it, the ELP tribute on Magna Carta > >>recordings (Encores, Legends, and Paradox)has Jerry Goodman playing on > > >>Hoedown! My oh my ... it put the hair up al over my body. > > > >Oh man, I better get this right away. > > I just got this last week, and I must say it's the absolute worst album > I've > wasted my money on all year. (I would say "by far," but, being a Zappa > completist, I also recently purchased the expanded reissue of Grand Funk > > Railroad's inappropriately titled _Good Singin' Good Playin'_.) I > couldn't > even get more than halfway through it on first listen; it was just too > painful. And that was before I'd even heard the ultra-embarrassing > version > of "The Sheriff" or the rancid rewrite of "The Endless Enigma." > > *** > > James Warren wrote: > > >Neil, since you are looking to invest in a copy of TALES, I recommend > >that it would be worth the effort and extra dough to buy this HDCD > >Japanese miniature paper sleeve version. > > I keep hoping to run across a copy of this edition, although my hopes > have > been tempered by the fact that the Japanese paper-sleeve edition of > _Relayer_ > wasn't as big an improvement over the U.S. CD as I'd hoped for. But the > > domestic _Tales_ CD, even in its remastered version, sounds terribly > muffled. > The original LP was very bright; I have yet to hear a reissue on vinyl > or CD > to match it. > > >I'd be interested to read a convincing defense of Uriah Heep > > Um, I kinda like 'em. A bit. > > Sorry, that's the best I can do. > > (Actually, _Salisbury_ is rather good, and features some nice > orchestration.) > > Give him a flower, > Biffy the Elephant Shrew > _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 23:53:50 -0700 (PDT) From: James Warren Subject: Re: gg: some GG content, I promise! Hi Diana - --thought you had a recent post where you mentioned listening to Uriah Heep? It is possible I got mixed up (regardless, I apologize). Thanks for the reply (esp. considering the butchering my long post seems to have received before it appeared on the list :-(... You'll just have to wait like everyone else before I publically post my *new* pick for the prog GG song that finishes last. :-) Then, all hell can break lose ;-) To reiterate, I didn't consider songs from GFAD, CIVILIAN, or side 1 from THE MISSING PIECE. You wrote: > < edit > - --and it sure needed it! I should have known better than to try and compose such an epic, unfocused on-reflection post. Instead, I set myself up for a long, boring result like TALES! I must find time here for ONE correction to my post. It read: "I found it kind of cool that when I recently posted about "Playing the Game" being my favorite GG song, that someone else (Daniel?) said his..." - --and then the post skipped down and lost some coherence :-( What I was trying to say was that Daniel's (I believe) liking "Mister Class and Quality?" as the best, and his favorite, Gentle Giant song, helped to freshly illustrate to me how tastes and opinions can vary, even among those who share an appreciation for the same thing... but who come to it from opposite directions! THANKS! JJW - --- Diana Green wrote: > hail; > re: > > > James Warren wrote: > > > .>From the majority of my on-reflection > contributions, perhaps you guys > > think I am not a discriminating listener when it > comes to music (esp. > > prog)? For instance, I like TALES, I like > Triumvirat, I like THE > > LAMB... I even like Starcastle! (etc.). But one > band I still cannot > > stomach was Uriah Heep (sorry Diana). > > Huh? No skin off my armpit, I don't think I've ever > owned one of their > albums. I used to play the b side of the single on > the jukebox at my junior > college, but then, I was always playing b sides, > they're were usually more > interesting just because I hadn't heard them. but > moi a Heephead? Nay, > nay, I say thee NAY! > > > > > Speaking of reassessment (and Gentle Giant), I > have spent some time > > relistening to "Mister Class and Quality?". > > < edit > > > > is to give listens to the > > remastered version (out of its familiar context on > the THREE FRIENDS > > concept album) on the EDGE OF TWILIGHT 2cd > compilation instead. Again, > > coincidentally, it is proceeded on this collection > on cd 1 by "Playing > > the Game"! {I wonder if there is any reason worth > considering about > > why the choice was made to put these songs right > after each other? > > Perhaps Dan Barrett, who compiled the songs, has > an interesting > > answer?} > > I think they have a similar cadence, but I'll leave > ti to those on list > more versed in theory to delve into it fully. > > > The remastering helps me appreciate all the neat > stuff that > > goes on during "MCAQ?". I now listen to it with > less reservations. I > > guess I now count it as a "guilty pleasure" > because while I enjoy it > > more, I can't quite abandon my arguments about > where it is lacking. > > funny- I feel that way about "the Face" and "Rock > Climber". Not bad songs > by any stretch, but surely not at the top of the GG > repertoire. > > > > > So, my estimation of the prog GG song to rank last > has officially ;-) > > changed to something on IN A GLASS HOUSE (not the > excellent stuff on > > there, ok, like "The Runaway"!). Can you guess > which less-than-stellar > > tune I'm refering to? > > Given your recently expressed tastes and > similarities of the songs on Glass > House to those you've previously stated a dislike > for, I'd go with "way of > Life". Mind you, it doesn't bother me, but as a > goalie friend of mine used > to say, different knobs for different jobs. > > > JJW > > (any other AVENGERS fans up here > besides > > Kiirja and me?) > > Quite. > > steed, > dg > > _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 04:12:51 EDT From: SPBrader@aol.com Subject: Re: gg: Very 'eavy...very 'umble Biffy writes: << I keep hoping to run across a copy of this edition, although my hopes have been tempered by the fact that the Japanese paper-sleeve edition of _Relayer_ wasn't as big an improvement over the U.S. CD as I'd hoped for. But the domestic _Tales_ CD, even in its remastered version, sounds terribly muffled. The original LP was very bright; I have yet to hear a reissue on vinyl or CD to match it. >> IMO, the HDCD Relayer *is* a worthwhile improvement over the Gastwirt remaster. The difference between the Tales though really is incredible. I've written this before but I've bought every version of Tales ever released and the HDCD is a revelation. No more prevarication Biff, go buy now! Simon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 11:14:09 +0100 From: "Mark L. Potts" Subject: gg: Ricky Martin. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SOMEONE HAVE RICKY MARTIN KILLED! Ok, I know this has nothing to do with prog but this guy is putting music EVERYWHERE to shame! He should be stopped before it's too late...(preferably by ripping out his vocal chords) DEATH TO RICKY MARTIN! Thorlina np= Alice Cooper; "School's Out" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 06:34:12 -0500 From: "Phil Bradley" Subject: Re: gg: no GG: Re: Dynaflex > what a great name for a label - Rounder Records! Ron Thomason fronts a bluegrass group -- Dry Branch Fire Squad -- that records for Rounder. He refers to them as the "Rounder, blacker, flater record company." Phil ------------------------------ End of on-reflection-digest V1 #1796 ************************************