Melody Maker
November 18, 1989

 

BUDGIE   BEAT

WITH THE BANSHEES AND
THE CREATURES, BUDGIE
HAS PROVED THAT YOU
DON'T HAVE TO BE A
TECHNICIAN TO GAIN A
REPUTATION AS ONE OF
THE COUNTRY'S LEADING
DRUMMERS.
TONY HORKINS
SHARES A DRUM STOOL.
PIC:
SIMON CAMPER.

Bands led by drummers don't exactly have
the greatest reputation as musical innovators.
Not for nothing do mentions of the likes of The
Dave Clark Five, Cozy Powell's Hammer and
John Coghlan's Diesel meet with hoots of
derisive laughter in 'muso' corners.
Not for nothing was the joke
"What do you call a guy who hangs out with
musicians? "Answer: "A drummer" conceived and
circulated amongst those who chose to twang
strings and stroke keys instead of beat skins.
  But occasionally, the drumming world does
throw up a winner. Not just a man who learnt
to hit things faster than the next man, or
a man who managed to twist a stick through
a 360 degree circle between every back beat,
but a man who broke new ground, who found
new sounds, who stirred up new ideas.
  One such man is Budgie, full time member
of Siouxsie And The Banshees, and driving
force behind The Creatures, who since 1981
have been trying to write, play and release
material featuring little more than a drummer
and vocalist, Siouxsie Sioux.
  Of course, Creatures material isn't exclusively
drums and voice; Budgie plays a range of tuned
percussion, a little guitar and has been known
to rope in the odd brass section here and
there too, most noticeably on their summer
of '83 hit, "Right Now".
The power behind The Creatures' sound,
however, is and always will be the massive
kit Budgie has pieced together over the years.
He's been through Pearl, Gretch and Sonor,
and for recent Banshees material and the new
Creatures album, "Boomerang", he's been
flailing wildly over his latest flame, a Tama
with more than a few Budgie innovations.
  "They just said to me, 'What do you want?',
so I said, 'Whatever you've got'.
We put some sizes together, power toms
basically the same size as I was already
using, but using lighter heads.
Right at the beginning I inherited the
Banshee kit. It was a Pearl kit with Remo
CS heads on it, and quite thuddy. I lightened
the whole thing up, and the notes started
to come from that. When I got the Tama kit,
I got a big gong
drum on one side, which I always wanted,
and lots of little drums on the left hand
side, which is sort of like the Chinese side.
The gong gets tuned to a low C approximately,
though I don't get a tuner out every day, and
the little drums are tuned to C, D and F.
I found that when we started doing the
beginning of "Standing There" (the new single)
they were the notes that we pulled out later.
There's been a conscious effort to not strangle
the drums and let them sing a bit more.
When you play, live drummers tend to tune the
drums tighter and tighter because maybe it helps
you to play a bit faster when you're tired."
  Tuning drums is definitely one of Budgie's fortes,
and he sticks to proven methods when tuning his
double-headed toms.
  "I think there's something to be said about
hitting the drums on their own first without
any head on them at all. See what natural note
just comes out of it. I found that when the Tama
kit arrived all the serial numbers were
consecutive; they were made and packed and
sent over to me. It wasn't that they'd taken drums
from here and there, which definitely helps when
tuning it as a kit.
  "I usually put the bottom head quite loose, get a little
tension in it first, and get the tension slowly up until
I hear the harmonic overtone of the drum. If the gong
drum's a low C, the first rack tom will be a high C,
and I tune the sets of toms in octaves. I put the top
head on and try and get the play between the two
heads. I'd been using Ambassadors for ages, top
and bottom, and I changed over recently to a thinner
head on the bottom, and Evans resonant head, which
is specially made not to be a hit. On this recent
recording we changed over to Evans Cadcam 750
guage on the top, and we started playing around with
different colour heads for different types of tone.
So I get the two heads to almost the same tension,
and then just lower the bottom head until it allows the
harmonic to come through.
If you really want to pull the note out, you hit the rim
as well."
  Sometimes Budgie will go as far as changing
the tom heads after every two takes, and on recent
recordings he's had particular problems with snare
heads.
  "We got hold of a batch of faulty Premier heads
and the central dot on their all-weather head kept
moving. I'd be left with a patch of glue in the middle,
so I tried a whole load of things. In the end I used
these Evans Cadcams in black, all different guages
and weights, for the recording. I use a couple of snare
drums, the Sonorphonics I got with the Sonor kit.
They're about 6 1/2 inches deep, with a very heavy
thick ply. I just tune it till it sounds good, mainly
cross tuning and holding onto the lug so I know
where I am. If it's got a mike on for live you tune it
to the mircrophone.
  "With the bass drum, on the Tama I'm using a
20 inch, because the toms were an extra two inches
deep and at the height I'm used to playing at the
clearance over the bass drum vanished.
And I find the tone a lot more punchier, a lot tighter,
and not lacking in any kind of response and warmth
and depth of punch.
We had almost a full front head on at first, then we
pulled it back until a microphone would fit in
And not too much padding in there, apart from
one of those Remo Muff'1 dampers (which secure
themselves to the head via the rim). The head's
a Remo Pinstripe with one of those self-adhesive
leather pads on it. I don't like those click pads at
all, because you get double hits sometimes and
they get sticky. And if you use those Ambassador
heads you push holes in the skin."
  "I do things like trigger brass samples off the Akai
S900. With 'Peek-a-boo' I had the three different brass
stabs. I don't put the Simmons up if I'm not specifically
using them. When I'm not using them I put my two
trusted Pearltimbales back up. Tama made some red
wood ones, but I found them too dull."
   Most of Budgie's kit is mounted on the Tama rack,
though he fels a little safer with the 16-inch and 18-inch
floor toms actually on the floor - "I like to lean on them,
and the little clip tends to slip on the rack when you do
that" - with the gong drum suspended above them.
  "The gong drum is like a single headed bass drum,
and the lugs let you put 22-inch heads on a 20-inch
drum. It sort of pulls the head down the side of the drum
and out. It's very clean as nothing's touching the head.
Lots of people use it with a very flappy sort of sound,
like a flam, but I use it with an Ambassador, and I like
to get a note out of it, like a low C. It's kind of my way
of playing the bass at the same time. And it's good if
you've done a roll and you don't want to finish on
a cymbal crash. You can finish on the gong drum
instead."
  Not that cymbals don't get a look in on the Budgie
set-up. A quick look at the picture will show you he's
a Zildjian endorsee.
  “I was using Paste Rude because I found regular
cymbals too thin, and then Zildjian approached me -
I guess it must have been the year they were
taking on more drummers - and it was great to go
down there and try them all out.
It was amazing how different one size cymbal can
be, all in the same series and size. I picked up a
lot of effects cymbals, and I think I use them more
than the regular size cymbals. I do use a 16-inch
and 18-inch crash, and I pulled out an earth ride
cymbal, which is left un-machined, raw metal, and
it’s a very metallic sound. It just sounds like tin in
a way, very pure. I thought it sounded odd enough
for me to use as a ride on this record.

Ideas greow out of the song that suggest something
to you, and you try and find some way of enhancing
that idea."
  "The Spain sessions were also recorded on 16-track,
and because of the lack of inputs it was impossible to
mike each drum individually, which forced them to
re-think the recording method."
  "We used a PZM in a parabolic reflector set up
above my head. So we did away with regular
overheads and just put key microphones on the
individual drums I was about to use in the song.
It was pretty straightforward really. We found
that with the bigger drums just one microphone
between the three would suffice, the drums are
just so loud. The room we were playing in had
a stone floor and stone walls, and just empty space.
The desk was in the same room with no separation.
I think on some tracks it works, but on others we
could have done with more control over the kit.”
  Once on tape, Budgie's not afraid to experiment
further still with the sounds, even to the extent of
playing the tape backwards, as on the Banshees'
"Peek-a-boo".
  "That came from a drum track from the previous
album, and the idea for the melody in the chorus
came from the brass part that was on the song
reversed."
  And more recently, rather than getting into drum
machines, (apart from dabbling with the 808)
Budgie's been experimenting with a combination
of real drums re-manipulated using a Fairlight.
  "We put all the drums into a Fairlight, quantised
it all and took sections to re-create a different
drum part. I find that really exciting and it changes
the whole approach to it. It also means you can
loop it and take good parts without worrying about
tempo fluctuation."
  Budgie rarely plays to click tracks, unless he's
working on cross-rhythms against the 808, and
despises practise.
  "I just can't do it, I can't. What I do now is keep fit.
One of the problems in the past was warming yourself
up and getting yourself into a physical condition where
you can actually start to do the things you can hear
in your head. Co-ordination is the main thing and I
do a lot of gym work. I think speed and agility comes
through keeping your brain in touch with the periphery
of your little fingers."
  In fact practise has never been a part of Budgie's
drum life, paradiddles taking a back seat to actually
playing.
  "I can't even play paradiddles. I never learnt. I used
to see this guy doing them and I couldn't begin to see
how he was doing it. I know what one is, and I can do
it in a way now, but in a way that suits me. I think
what I've always tried to do is undo myself - try and
stop my limbs from doing what they would naturally
do, to make my limbs completely independent.
I'm doing that all the time, on tables or whatever,
always driving people mad.
  "It still embarrasses me that I can't do paradiddles
and two stroke rolls, but I just never thought it was
going to get in my way, I think the best thing is to
master basic rhythm keeping, and not cluttering up,
and helping out, keeping everybody else in time.
Give support where it's needed and listen like crazy.
Be aware of the arrangement of the whole song and
not just wrapped up in your own little world."

Budgie's always got plenty to say about almost
every aspect of drumming: with sticks he's found
that certain woods create different tones, especially
on cymbals, and he opts for prime hickory; on gear
he thinks you should always keep trying different
things because "if you get settled with something
you must be missing out on something else"; with
hand-care he'd spoken to Simon Phillips who had
been told that rubbing chocolate and lemon juice
into your hands keeps them tough. It didn't work,
but as Simon told him, it tasted really good! At the
end of the day, a little white spirit helps to harden
the callouses. And most unusually, the interminably
long gear set-up problem drummers suffer from is,
perversely, one of his joys.
  "I've been setting my kit up myself, mainly because
we've not been on the road with The Banshees and
The Creatures we don't want loads of roadies handing
about, and I love it. To begin with I didn't even know
how to set the big Tama up, so I had to get my roadie
to show me, and I took loads of polaroids of it.
  "One of the reasons I started to play drums in the
first place was because you get so much stuff.
There's so many nuts and bolts. That was the big
drawof it.
You can't physically do it when you're going from town
to town on the road, but when you're not I love to do it.
Absolutely love it."
  So maybe if you know The Creatures or The Banshees
aren't too busy, and you're looking for a conscientious
drum roadie that'll be happy in his work to take care of
the hardware, you could think of Budgie.
But whatever you do, don't ask if he's going cheap.
"It still embarrasses me that I can't do
paradiddles and two stroke rolls,
but I just never thought
it was going to get in my way."

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  Secured to the bass is one of Tama's double bass
drum beaters, though Budgie's still trying to get the
hang of it, performance so far restricted to sound-
checks only. This is mainly because he still plays
double bass drum parts with his right hand. Where
the extra pedal does come in handy is when he
swings round to play the second snare drum to his
left. That way his right foot can still play bass drum
via the extension arm of the double beater, and a
pedal placed to the left of the second snare controls
remotely another hi hat.
"That gives me access to the five toms, which have
different tones and tunings to them, that are above
the second snare, which is a Pearl Piccolo.
The sheer cutting edge of that snare is amazing.
It's 3 1/2 inches deep and made of copper, and I
have it really highly tuned."
    Between the 'two kit' arrangement sits a couple of
Simmons toms which he normally uses for triggering
samples.

  “Anyway, the effects cymbals are great, just like
little bells, and they have a very throaty sound.
They’re very tiny, so you can set about three of
them up together. I use those a lot on the album
- they’re very quick. Sort of like a splash cymbal,
but tuned."

  ”For the recording of “Boomerang”, Budgie and
kit transferred to a ranch in Spain for 30 days following
a rehearsal and writing period in a cottage in Surrey.
  “It’s got a 16-track studio, but it’s more like
somebody’s house. We actually filled two 120 DAT
tapes with ideas; drum beats, melodies, vocal ideas.
Sometimes we just let the 808 machines go driving a
bass synth off it, getting pulses going and playing
rhythms off it.
  “I also had a Vox Teardrop guitar down there, and
‘Pity’, for example, started off as a simple chord thing
on the guitar, and ‘Venus Sands’ was just an open
tuning on the guitar. So really we were just choosing
things for atmosphere. Or to try and get different
emotions going, prior to lyrics.