Something like four weeks ago. [16:16]I never thought I'd say this, but I'm really really happy to be in America right now. [16:16] o.O [16:16] why? [16:17] I went to a debate tournamnent in BC, and lost all respect for Canadian debate. [16:17] we have that in Denmark too, plus a royal family [16:17] o.O [16:17] well I think Keffy has enough to eat. And isn't on the 'kill' list [16:17] * RivoClavis is chatting with a stoned canadian right now [16:17] lost all respect for canadian debate? [16:17] It's the only place I've ever been where the arguments don't matter in debate, and they don't care if you make sense. [16:18] o.O [16:18] thats a rethater generic statement keffy [16:18] It's rather true, though. [16:18] all that from one debate? [16:18] I could say the same of you now then. [16:18] Oh wait... I'd better clarify. [16:19] I mean Canadian University Debate. As in the actual group/club/whatever. And I make my 'generic statement' based on two days straight of debating, and seeing at least 30 different ballots in which none of the reasons for decision had anything to do with the arguments set forth by either team. [16:20] all canadian universities now> [16:20] ? even [16:20] All the ones at that tournament. [16:21] and what tournament might that be [16:21] was the University of Alberta there? [16:21] I have not had heard of it at all [16:21] Yeah. [16:21] People in University aren't exactly the most logical, Kef. [16:21] It was mostly the large public universities [16:21] I can be logical... sometimes. [16:21] Heh, you're telling me, JB @.@' [16:21] thats funny I am in a large public uni ;) [16:21] They had the UBC tournament director judging people from their own schools [16:22] In any case, I still think your statement is generalistic [16:22] did you win the tournament then or something? [16:22] No. [16:22] *mutters* figures [16:22] But all my losses involved the words "The US team had the best arguments, and debated best, but I just thought that the Canadian team did a better job" [16:23] uh-huh ;) [16:23] I'm serious, though. [16:23] Aw well I am sorry that we canadians cannot debate and our judges are obviously all corrupted [16:23] canadians suck! [16:23] perhaps I can send an email to the prime minister [16:23] I didn't say you couldn't debate ^^ [16:23] Wow, that sounds like a generalistic statement. [16:23] ... or something [16:24] Besides, I'm equally annoyed at one of the rounds I won solely because I was "poised" Or whatever. [16:25] well then just dont dis whole canada :P [16:26] Well, considering I had to sit through a round where the opposing team flat out said that my partner and I were just "moronic Americans" and that if he had to listen to us say another word he'd rip his arm out of his socket, to which the judges merely laughed. [16:26] Thanks Mr.Trudeau! [16:26] Maybe I'm just venting. If it makes you feel any better, I didn't see any Quebecers. [16:26] doesnt mean you have to do the same :) [16:26] * Abadonn (Your@dialup-65.56.219.74.Dial1.Cleveland1.Level3.net) has joined #lothlorien [16:26] Keffy, you could have nailed him on that remark [16:27] hey Aba [16:27] hey Mike-o [16:27] I did, but it didn't matter. *shrugs* [16:27] hi all [16:27] I just dont like it when people say a country sucks because of one experience they had with certain individuals [16:27] I don't know, maybe there are some fine debates in Canada where they pay attention to the actual arguments, and run the tournaments better, but UBC wasn't one of them. [16:28] brb [16:28] * Keffy shrugs. [16:28] well thats be1tter than saying this is the whole of canada now isnt it [16:28] * Abadonn shrugs, I dont care when people make fun of America [16:29] In my experience, countries usually have a pretty uniform debate style. [16:30] In any case, my weekend royally sucked, and I don't intend debating there again. I'm sorry if I offended people by mentioning a case in which Canada was not the golden land of legend. [16:30] just stop the 'tude keff ;P just try not to bash other countries [16:31] just be nice enough to give Canada more than one chance? [16:31] Heh heh heh. [16:31] Keffy, are you trying to spread the misery? [16:31] :) [16:31] Why, you want some? [16:31] Nope. [16:31] Wow, we should ban her attitude! [16:31] Surely that will solve the problem! [16:31] her -attitude?- [16:32] * Talescaper ponders.... [16:33] Keffy, as rude as this may sound..... your behavior only makes me understand their point a bit. [16:33] they didnt have a point [16:33] Americans dont suck, only individuals. [16:33] same goes for any country. [16:33] Of course. [16:34] Yeah, I know. Because obviously my annoyance at being treated like shit for a weekend is an accurate example of my attitude when I started off Friday afternoon. [16:34] But it is anoying and quite trying to debate with people that are so... stiff? [16:35] No offence, Keffy. It might just be that your weekend truly sucked because the opponents were so nasty and that causes your behavior here. [16:38] Wow, Story, you're perceptive :D [16:39] I just wanted to point out something that annoyed me, and DW took it personally. I'm sorry he took it personally. I'm sure that the debaters were all intelligent people, it just didn't come out in their debating. [16:39] didnt take it personally, just saw you were generalizing about canada, same as with another country, bad. But I can see why you did so, just avoid doing that again. And then today... [06:57] http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/03/11/sprj.irq.fries/index.html [06:57] Get yer freedom fries [06:58] I will crush your freedom with hot gravy and tasty cheese curds! [06:58] man. this is getting realy childish. And yet it's world politics!! [06:59] I'm starting to understund why some americans start to claim they're canadian instead online. ;) [07:00] Oh, the fries? x.x [07:00] I'm an American. :| [07:00] Other nation's governments do things that are equally stupid. [07:00] nations' [07:00] freedom... yeah right. it's freedome to atack a country that has no real way of defending themselves. [07:01] yeah I still don't know why they called them freedom fries XD [07:01] Asked why he was focusing on France when other nations, including Germany and Russia, oppose the U.S. position on Iraq, Jones said it was because France had taken the lead in challenging the United States. [07:01] War fries, perhaps [07:01] me tries to think of something another government has done equali stupid...but fails [07:01] two months ago we germans were the bad guys [07:01] I mean the US is getting less and less about freedom [07:01] now they realized france has a veto, and we don't [07:01] that is so pathetic.. croiky :p [07:02] yup, DW.. and ignorant peopel are sucking it up to be "protected" :> [07:02] "They have isolated themselves." [07:02] protected.. ha [07:02] yeah, isolated with the rest of the world [07:02] Wow. [07:02] I mean the way I see it, right now the US are cutting down on the freedom and going more towards a patriotic "for great justice" thing [07:02] all I gotta say.. is if I get a letter in the main telling me I'm drafted.. I'm coming to visit someone in canada.. >.> [07:02] If the fuss had been about north korea i'd understood. they realy have nukes and chemical warheads and threaten the world peace..but iraque? they stoped beein a threat years ago [07:02] hahaha [07:02] but that surely aint freedom [07:02] I guess it's bad to bash countries, huh. [07:02] main = mail [07:03] I know, Shaitan. we all know. but NK did nothing to Bush's daddy :P [07:03] I know some places where you can cross zee border vic ;D [07:03] they can still draft people in the US? [07:03] really? hmm [07:03] I guess I forgot that the US is the ULTIMATE EVIL. [07:03] They make you sign up for it within 3 months of turning 18 [07:03] GO AMERICA! [07:03] if you don't.. you can be thrown in jail -_- [07:04] if you're a boy they do, anyway.. still segregated int hat respect. which i am glad of, of course, but it's not fair [07:04] yeah kam, but at least you dont have to serve and all :) [07:04] I'd gladly give my 'spot' up to a female who'd wanna go to ar [07:04] *war [07:04] I know [07:04] I'd rather serve than go to war [07:04] could be worse, th ough.. manycountries have mandatory service [07:04] better not show bush this, I guess http://unix.rulez.org/~calver/pictures/Evil_Germany.jpg [07:04] yeah I know [07:05] aye, lots of em sheeps [07:05] Sheepeeh: I know... like we have [07:05] I spoke to some americans a few days ago. They were totaly brainwashed. They sounded like they were going to invade france. [07:05] the US ain't bad, though I t hink they are just moving towards less freedom [07:05] lol [07:05] sucks for their people x.x [07:05] * Zeke (user10@h24-86-13-31.ed.shawcable.net) has joined #lothlorien [07:05] * ChanServ sets mode: +o Zeke [07:05] Well, it's nice to know that you can't say anything bad about any nation, until the US gets brought up, then it's okay to talk about how it's anti-freedom, and how all the people are brainwashed. [07:05] that's odd, Shaitan. I actually don't personally knwo anyone who thinks it is a good idea [07:05] YEah, that's fair. [07:05] Keffy: what? [07:06] here's a plan. if people plan on bashing the US, they aren't allowed to complain if any other country is bashed. [07:06] no, its not nice to bash a nation, but I am just saying it sucks that it seems americans are starting to lose some of th eir freedoms [07:06] Keff, I dont' think we're bashign the US, it just happens to currently be a major situation. North Korea is certainly worse, with concentrationc amps and crap, last I heard [07:06] If I were to say ANYTHING about ANY policy in ANY other country, I'm BASHING, and I'm supposed to stop. [07:06] let's bash canada, and the ukraine. howabout china? [07:06] but since we're nto supposed to talk politics, why don't we all drop it? [07:06] Keffy: the last year you couldn't say anything against Us politics in germany without being called "anti- american" [07:06] Dang I missed my bus [07:06] But suddenly, you can talk about how the US is anti-freedom, and how all the people are stupid, and how we're all brainwashed, but THAT is not bashing. [07:06] lok, art [07:07] ick ryco [07:07] Ryco, you must have new art to show [07:07] Yea I got some sketches and a piece that I've inked and am starting toc olour [07:07] Keffy: I have nothing against the USA, I just don't like the way their gouvernment does it's job atm [07:07] yay [07:07] plug them! [07:07] I didn't say all americans are. I just said those two guys were :P [07:07] well I only have the sketches Urls [07:07] Kef: I dont' think DW is sayingwe're anti freedom.. I think he's pointing out the fact that yes, we are moving towards more restrictive government (homeland security bill, etc) [07:07] plug that :) [07:08] Ryco: yeah [07:08] http://members.shaw.ca/npappas/3-11-03-GearSketches.JPG [07:08] and we're certainly nto allbrainwashed -- millions have protested. but Bush thinks the beauty of frewe speech is that he can ignore it [07:08] All I'm saying is that no matter what anybody says, it won't be seen as bashing. [07:08] Aye sheep: americans, the people, they are very freedom oriented... its their leaders that are starting to cut down on those people's freedom [07:08] http://members.shaw.ca/npappas/3-11-03-Standoff.jpg [07:08] if osmeone said "all amaericans are brainwashed, gun toting, muslim haters" that would be bashing [07:09] very cool, Nik [07:09] http://members.shaw.ca/npappas/3-5-03-TimsJager.jpg [07:09] gears are cute mechs XD [07:09] Well, I've been shot down for bashing on Canada based on saying less. [07:09] i can't really make a judgement on that, I haven't seen it. [07:09] Canada has weird money :D [07:10] yeah our money is getting really colorful O.o [07:10] Keffy: and Rumfeld saying "it looks like Lybia, Cuba and Germany won't support us at all" is that bashing, or not? [07:10] And all I can say is that if tongues are going to be yanked out, they ought to come out equally.