r4zz3nd4hcub3n: did you see american idol?
Gothic Ichthus: no
Gothic Ichthus: why?
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: have you ever watched it
Gothic Ichthus: yes
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: i endured an episode
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: it was putrid
Gothic Ichthus: ok
Gothic Ichthus: yeah
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: and wordly
Gothic Ichthus: it gets old pretty quickly
Gothic Ichthus: but
Gothic Ichthus: it's not that bad
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: i dunn0
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: http://www.wayoflife.org/fbns/baptists-on-americani dol.html
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: read that and tell me what you think.
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: well, if you want
Gothic Ichthus: lol.. i've read half the article... i think whoever wrote that needs to get off themselves
Gothic Ichthus: they sound like a pharisee
Gothic Ichthus: if they think that they're so much holier than the kids on american idol, they need a serious attitude readjustment
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: at first i was mad
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: but when you think about it, they are right
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: it is a disgrace
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: kind of like how bill clinton's baptist church never expelled him from membership
Gothic Ichthus: how is it a disgrace?
Gothic Ichthus: not the bill clinton thing
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: the article doesnt talk about them
Gothic Ichthus: but the ai thing
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: it makes the point of how worldly american christians are
Gothic Ichthus: lol.. how does singing on american idol make one worldly?
Gothic Ichthus: i think it's rather legalistic
Gothic Ichthus: but that's just my opinion
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: its not that are they on american idol, its what they sing \
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: and what do you think their motivation is? the point of the article is that clay and ruben's churches exalt them
Gothic Ichthus: it's just a song though
Gothic Ichthus: i've had to sing a lot of things in chapel that i don't agree with =P
Gothic Ichthus: lol
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: and yet music is one of the most powerful forces in the universe
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: what is more able to influence than music?
Gothic Ichthus: a lot of things
Gothic Ichthus: =\
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: like...
Gothic Ichthus: God
Gothic Ichthus: lol..
Gothic Ichthus: if you mean earthly things..
Gothic Ichthus: then
Gothic Ichthus: the news
Gothic Ichthus: books
Gothic Ichthus: parents
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: i disagree with all of those
Gothic Ichthus: leaders
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: easily
Gothic Ichthus: on what basis?'
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: music is like a demon
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: it can possess so easily one's mind
Gothic Ichthus: lol
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: its ecstasy, and its on a massive scale
Gothic Ichthus: can you back that up?
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: yeah... rock music
Gothic Ichthus: music has never possessed my mind o_o
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: ever bene to a rock concert?
Gothic Ichthus: yes
Gothic Ichthus: it's never possessed me
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: have you never felt that incredible closeness to god while worshipping through song? like everything else has melted away and at that moment you are willing to repent and praise like no where else
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: so eminem's music hasnt affected anyone, you would say? since they are just songs?
Gothic Ichthus: umm, i've felt close to God while worshipping God... not that extreme though o.o
Gothic Ichthus: If you immerse yourself in just listening to one message over and over again, t's going to have an effect
Gothic Ichthus: it's*
Gothic Ichthus: but I really doubt any of the songs the AI contestants sang drew them further from God
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: well didnt you read about ruben studdard singing "imagine" by john lennon
Gothic Ichthus: yes
Gothic Ichthus: so?
Gothic Ichthus: the song isn't saying there is no heaven or hell
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: what kind of message is that sending? and what is that saying about his character?
Gothic Ichthus: it's just saying "imagine there's no heaven or hell"
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: its saying lets pretend their isnt
Gothic Ichthus: it's sending the message of "step back and see why you believe what you believe"
Gothic Ichthus: which i have no qualms with
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: ok how is that any less dangerous?
Gothic Ichthus: it's not dangerous at all
Gothic Ichthus: it's telling you to examine why you believe what you believe
Gothic Ichthus: to imagine things
Gothic Ichthus: to think for yourself
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: no its saying religion is part of the reason there is no peace
Gothic Ichthus: well, that's the message you get out of it....
Gothic Ichthus: if that's what it makes you feel, then don't listen to it
Gothic Ichthus: lol
Gothic Ichthus: but some people don't feel that way while listening to it
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: well its blatantly obvious
Gothic Ichthus: not to me
Gothic Ichthus: or many other people
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: there are no lyrics that suggest "step back and examine what you believe"
Gothic Ichthus: people get different things out of different songs
Gothic Ichthus: just because people are different
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: well thats wishful thinking
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: because the sound songs nice
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: the song sounds nice*
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: "Christianity will go. It will vanish and shrink. I needn't argue with that; I'm right and will be proved right. We're more popular than Jesus now; I don't know which will go first - rock and roll or Christianity." - John Lennon