r4zz3nd4hcub3n: i just saw the passion
fbjourneykiD: did they lose the message by over doing the physical story?
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: no
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: gibson did an awesome job
fbjourneykiD: i have issues with the film, but im definitly going to see it
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: believe me, at the end of hte film, no one sat around thinking, "Man, i wish they done _____ differently." rather, everyone was speechless
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: this isnt a film to quibble with. it follows the gospel and makes it clear that jesus was dying for mankind's sin
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: i feel like throwing up right now
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: not surprisingly, the liberals are already whining their heads off. at first i was angry, but really it serves its purpose: if the pluralists dont like it, it must mean that it was done correctly
fbjourneykiD: ok, you gotat be more understanding than "the liberals are already whining their heads off", they might be doing just that, but there are some serious people who legatimatly fear what might come about from this film, hitler saw the passion play in 1934 and said it was "the best representation of the jewish race i've ever seen", he proceded to have the play tour over nazi germany for his troups/and in cities for the next 8 years, some of the concerns are legit
fbjourneykiD: im not saying its a bad film
fbjourneykiD: but comeon
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: thats great mark. you sit and ponder with your fellow skeptics about who killed jesus
fbjourneykiD: im gonna block you
fbjourneykiD: i dont need this
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: the premise of the film isnt who killed jesus. a better question is who did NOT kill jesus?
fbjourneykiD: WE
fbjourneykiD: killed jesus
fbjourneykiD: if thats what comes across, then awesome, the concerns are wrong, but you cant jump onto it, these people have a reason to be scared
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: who are "these people?"
fbjourneykiD: the jewish and the liberals advocating for them who fear the film will raise anti semitism
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: the film makes it dead obvious that a bunch of self-righteous pharisees leading an impulsive, bloodthirsty mob were the people who demanded crucifixion
fbjourneykiD: im not defending just random people sitting up and complaining about it
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: mark, the jews and libs that you think have a concern havent even seen the movie. i am firmly convinced that any organization that is capable can and will make a fuss if it draws attention to their cause
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: read the bad reviews for passion at rottentomatoes.com.
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: the reviews dont even mention the "big issue" of anti-semitism
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: they just whine that the physical violence overshadows what the "real spiritual meaning" behind christ's death was, as if they understand it at all
fbjourneykiD: all i wanted to do was try to get you to stop saying things like the liberals are already whining, because people will react negativly like that..and rottentomatoes..PFFT is all i say to that bull crap
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: rottentomatoes is a collection of reviews....
fbjourneykiD: keith, what i react against in you, is the fact that you are one of the prime examples of people who build a huge dichotomy between liberals and conservatives, and that dichotomy does exist, but the last thing we need is this image that "these people" (on both sides) are entirely different, we're all humans, we all can be wrong, i just get really sick of people w ho are like "oh, he's a liberal", or "oh, hes republican", that and denominations, thats my phase right now
fbjourneykiD: break down the walls
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: and right now about half are saying stuff like "the basic message of Christianity - love your brother - is obscured under torrents of blood to the point of benumbing the audience."
fbjourneykiD: that doesnt mean change a thing
fbjourneykiD: but the walls dont need to be there
fbjourneykiD: im trying really hard to break from it myself
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: i thought i had made it clear in past conversations that liberal and conservative are not the same as Republican and Democrat
fbjourneykiD: i wasnt saying they were
fbjourneykiD: i was using two random examples
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: well its the liberal scholars who have distorted bible, i dont really think you can argue much there. but at the same time, i would say the church is gonna have a tough time converting liberals if we make a wall where one side is bad, one side is good, and so forth
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: i think we agree on that point
fbjourneykiD: im glad, i apologize for being oversensative to the topic, but i just am right now
fbjourneykiD: its entirely too prominent
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: but thats just semantics, my point is that mel gibson, a catholic , for heaven's sake, made a great film
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: the sad truth, however, is that if you are not familiar with the gospel it may not make sense.
fbjourneykiD: a non practicing catholic who didnt profess christ until about a month ago whent he controversy came out..
fbjourneykiD: mind you..
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: which is why you get these pluralist reviewers whining
fbjourneykiD: ill respect mel gibsonwhen his testimony is rockin 5 years from now
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: its ironic that the evangelicals are jumping all over this as the greatest ministry opportunity in 2000 years, whereas... i have no clue what the catholics are doing
fbjourneykiD: if i go see the film and i love it, then i still wont respect him
fbjourneykiD: well theyre doing nothing because gibson is non practicing, he'
fbjourneykiD: s practically kicked out
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: well, that's a moot point. i didnt watch the film thinking, "nice job, mel, you know your stuff!" i watched the film thinking "i should be there"
fbjourneykiD: good, your not on the bandwagon, im glad
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: one has to make an effort to get something out of film. to any cynic, its going to be nothing more than bloodbath
fbjourneykiD: i went to my dads church a few weeks ago, and they had an insert with what it meant to be a Baptist, and i thought it was hilarious that the same day, fred phelps was representing what it meant to be "baptist" in boston, and the first baptist church downtown was holding a rally in support of gay marriage
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: yeah
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: "The basic lesson is that Hollywood is here to entertain, not educate. If you want to learn about Christ, your local pastor or priest probably is a better bet."
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: "the last tempation of christ" was hollywood's version of jesus
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: how stupid are these people
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: if it was a hollywood concoction, no one would be whining. these people know nothing about the gospel and think they have a right to comment. i cant stand it, but there's nothing i can do
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: i might as well just sum up my review of the movie with this: if you don't understand the gospel, it is just some guy getting brutally beaten. otherwise, it is very powerful