brianzo8: karrrrrrr
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: w00t
brianzo8: i've got a question
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: spake
brianzo8: ok, i've been reading some things on christs resurrection
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: and it didnt happen
brianzo8: and they just debated some arguments such as: the diciples took his body, the romans took his body, etc
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: yeah
brianzo8: but it never mentioned what if he was cremated?
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: well i dont believe he was cremated or his body was taken
brianzo8: well i dont either
brianzo8: but they never made an attempt to debate that he was cremated
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: but humanists are forced to make up some story, so the only possibilities are either the romans, jews, or disciples took hi body
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: well someone would have to take his body before he was cremated. or do you mean he wasn't even put in the grave?
brianzo8: i strongly believe he resurrected...due to all the documentations, witnesses, all the disciples died for their strong belief in his resurrection, etc.
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: exactly. who would die for a lie?
brianzo8: yes....and these are the disciples
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: well the disciples, although they were very close to jesus, were not as devout as one might expect
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: such as falling asleep in gethsemane, waking jesus during the storm, etc
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: it wasnt until after the ressurection that they really got "on fire" for christ. and they were martyred as a result
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: http://www.anointed-one.net/die4alie.html
brianzo8: ya, but do you have any reasons why cremation of jesus wouldnt be true?
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: its not supported by scripture?
brianzo8: you don't deny the scripture every once in awhile?
brianzo8: and why was there 1 disciple that didn't die for this?
brianzo8: 10 out of the 11 (not including judas) died, but 1 didnt
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: well john died of old age, he was imprisoned on patmos
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: but he was imprisoned for his faith

r4zz3nd4hcub3n: and no i dont deny scripture. why would i? can god not be trusted?
brianzo8: well ya but dont you want more info
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: well the bible makes it pretty clear that jesus was buried
brianzo8: buried? he was put into a tomb
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: same thing
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: he was put under ground
brianzo8: well how was a boulder blocking it off then?
brianzo8: i always thought it was like an above ground thing
brianzo8: and he was laid down on something
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: well we dont know exactly what the tomb looked like so i dont really care to fuss over it. either you believe he was buried and resurrected or you believe he was buried and his body stolen.
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: of course, some humanist could harass me about some extra obscure possibility, but you get the point. either he rose from the dead or he didnt. rom 10:9
brianzo8: i see
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: i talked to your pastor today
brianzo8: really?
brianzo8: dr. greer?
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: yes'm.
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: i rode by him on my bike and stopped and talked to him
brianzo8: what did you talk about?
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: he had a bookmark in his bible wiht your 4th grade picture on it. kinda creepy
brianzo8: haha thats not funny
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: *laf*
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: i asked him how i get to heaven
brianzo8: so basically you didnt talk to him?
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: i asked him, "how do i get to heaven"
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: and he said i need to accept jesus
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: and so i talked to him about the gospel and what he preached and the presbyterian church in general
brianzo8: i can't imagine you asking him "how do i get to heaven?"
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: he says they have a saved membership but the requirement is more an affirmation of the church's beliefs than a testimony of salvation
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: well how else should i start conversation on God with a pastor? a pastor should be able to answer that question, right?
brianzo8: ya, its just a gutsy thing to do
brianzo8: for some reason
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: why
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: what experience do you have with theological conversations?
brianzo8: asking someone you don't know how to get to heaven when you already know the answer?
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: how would he know that i knew the answer?
brianzo8: well....what you asked him all of this when he was just outside?
brianzo8: what else did you talk about
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: am i not allowed to do that? i would like to think that a pastor enjoys telling people how to get to heaven, even if he doesnt know them
brianzo8: ok i get the point
brianzo8: what else did you talk about
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: saved membership
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: he asked me where i went to church, i said First Baptist of Galeton, he said he knew where that was, i told him i was saved in May 2001
brianzo8: what else?
brianzo8: just keeping telling me everything you guys talked about
brianzo8: how long did you talk? did he tell you to come inside?
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: nooo
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: he was walking the church and i rode my bike by
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: he was in front of the lincoln door house (the black's house)
brianzo8: oh ok
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: we didnt talk long. i also asked him about pluralism
brianzo8: but why did you feel the need to stop and talk to him
brianzo8: i mean, i know it didnt just start out by "how do you get saved"
brianzo8: you must have stopped, said hi or something
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: and he said he believed jesus is the only way. then finally said "so you preach the gospel?" just to reaffirm, and he said "i hope so" and chuckled and we parted
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: he should my hand and said "thanks keith"
brianzo8: he is a nice guy
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: i stopped my bike, said "hi arent you the pastor the pres. church?" and he said "yes" and I said "i have question... how do i get to heaven?"
brianzo8: hah, did he take it seriously?
brianzo8: i mean, it seems a little sarcastic, or joking around
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: why wouldnt he?
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: you must have this really weird impression of what happened
brianzo8: no, i just like to get a lot of details out of stuff
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: dont worry about it. i didnt want to talk about the conversaiton anyway. my goal was just to see if he unapologetically preached christ
brianzo8: i dont know why
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: ping pong on espn r0x0rz
brianzo8: yep
brianzo8: you should think about teaching a sunday school class sometime
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: hah. thats funny, because i am at my church. i am going to try to anyway.
brianzo8: i could ask my sunday school teachers if you want to come in sometime and teach us stuff, or just hang out...its a really laid back group...its andy cole, brad sick, kylie mair, hiliary janeski, and a few other unimportant middle schoolers
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: yes but then i wouldnt be able to go to my church and learn
brianzo8: ya, but we have like couches and stuff, and drink sodas while we all just discuss. its not really a class...its more of an open chat
brianzo8: alright....just a suggestion
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: well thanks for inviting me. i cant really go anytime soon because i am in college
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: maybe in the summer if i dont teach a class.
brianzo8: you could come this sunday....but also we dont have sunday school during the summer
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: for any age group?
brianzo8: nope
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: saddening
brianzo8: ya
brianzo8: oh well
brianzo8: i think it would be cool if you came in and taught something interesting...everyone would enjoy it, ask you questions..im sure my teachers would like it too. (they are a young couple, and are pretty cool)
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: heh. flattering. twould be cool, however. maybe one day.\
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: i gtg, seeya
brianzo8: alright
brianzo8: bye