r4zz3nd4hcub3n: read jude
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: read the 3rd verse
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: or dont talk to me
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: that would be just as cool
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: your keeping me up late and you dont even talk to me
Ducks Love Sugar: sorry was laughing at your dumbness
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: ??
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: yeah i'm sure
Ducks Love Sugar: chapter 1 verse 3
Ducks Love Sugar: ?
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: there is only 1 chapter...
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: so...
Ducks Love Sugar: ah, touche
Ducks Love Sugar: where do your pastors get their authority from?
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: the bible...
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: thats why we are called "crazy fundamentalist literalists"
Ducks Love Sugar: do you have to go to seminary to be a pastor?
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: no
Ducks Love Sugar: but thats not what I meant
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: you could start your own church
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: but most pastors, the vast majority, go to seminary
Ducks Love Sugar: oh I will, it's main belief would be a strict no shoes policy
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: at a conservative institute that interprets the word of God literally with no compromise or logical/intellectual/humanist bias
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: so did you read the verse?
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: jude verses 3 and 4
Ducks Love Sugar: and no pagan to tell you what your bible means?
Ducks Love Sugar: oh wait....
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: ... i dont get it
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: a pagan is a polytheist, btw
Ducks Love Sugar: yeah
Ducks Love Sugar: I know
Ducks Love Sugar: the idea of the trinity came from a pagan sun worshipper
Ducks Love Sugar: but youre protestant, you should know this!
Ducks Love Sugar: but who has true authority from God to perform baptisms in your church?
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: no the idea of the trinity would come from matthew 28:19
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: and titus 2:13
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: and john 10:30
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: and many, many more!
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: you wouldnt know that because the book of mormon comes BEFORE the bible to mormons!
Ducks Love Sugar: in 28:19 they're stated as 3 seperate beings
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: neg
Ducks Love Sugar: check your references!
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: 3 persons you mean?
Ducks Love Sugar: si
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: because they are 3 persons
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: in one essence
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: the father is not hte son, the son is not the holy spirit, the holy spirit is not the father
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: but they are the same in substance --- God
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: john 10:30 for example
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: at least for jesus
Ducks Love Sugar: one in purpose
Ducks Love Sugar: oh wait, youre right
Ducks Love Sugar: and they're also a thirteenity!
Ducks Love Sugar: and you never answered my question!
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: for matt 28:19, the batpism represents the death burial and resurrection which involves all three persons
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: apostles and pastors can baptize
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: maybe anyone can baptize
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: i am not sure the qualifications
Ducks Love Sugar: because they aren't qualified, maybe
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: yeah
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: there are no qualifications
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: anyone can baptize as longas they are a christian
Ducks Love Sugar: you need the priesthood
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: show me
Ducks Love Sugar: ok, korihor
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: yeah... but i'm not mormon and think the book of mormon is a bunch of lies
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: its like me telling an atheist there is a god based on gen 1
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: WHAT NOW!?
Ducks Love Sugar: theres no reason to be offensive
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: no i am not being offensive
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: i respect your views, you know that!
Ducks Love Sugar: where do you think the book of mormon came from?
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: but i think joseph smith was a liar! is that not reasonable?
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: joseph smith
Ducks Love Sugar: you think he wrote it?
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: yes, maybe as a result of some weird dream or vision or maybe he really thought he was translating something from lost tablets with seer stones
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: but either way i dont think it is the inspired word of god
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: maybe inspired by demons
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: because the bible says that false prophets will come
Ducks Love Sugar: yeah, so what happened to the real prophets?
Ducks Love Sugar: they were a crucial part of the original church, why arent there any now?
Ducks Love Sugar: Where in the Bible does it say that God would cease following His ancient and well established pattern of speaking to man through His chosen prophets?
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: because the faith is closed...
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: because god gave man all the knowledge he needs...
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: READ JUDE VERSE THREE
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: where are YOUR prophets right now?
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: and your tongue speaking mormon chruches?
Ducks Love Sugar: what?
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: just read verse 3
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: jude
Ducks Love Sugar: I did
Ducks Love Sugar: oh yeah, and which version of the bible is infallible?
Ducks Love Sugar: If the New Testament Church was operated through revelation from God to leaders that He selected, why isn't your church run that way?
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: i dont knwo you tell me your a christian arent you?
Ducks Love Sugar: don't play your word games with me
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: no, seriously, only the original hebrew, greek, and aramaic is truly infallible
Ducks Love Sugar: So the original... which there are hundreds of versions of.. is infallible?
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: what do you mean why isnt my chruch run that way? I am a CHRISTIAN i follow the BIBLE
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: forget denominations
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: there is only one version, there are not multiple versions of the books lying around in greek and hebrew
Ducks Love Sugar: then why don't you follow Eph. 4:11-13?
Ducks Love Sugar: yes there are
Ducks Love Sugar: dead sea scrolls is one...
Ducks Love Sugar: that they found many years after the bible was made
Ducks Love Sugar: many MANY years
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: dead sea scrolls are a copy...
Ducks Love Sugar: like, 1900 years
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: yeah
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: ok, so?
Ducks Love Sugar: so?
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: the dead sea scrolls say the same thing as what was already in the bible
Ducks Love Sugar: but not exactly, there were mistakes
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: i dont see how eph 4:13 supports your case
Ducks Love Sugar: and Christ even said he would send prophets in matt 13:34
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: yes and he did
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: matt 13:34 doesnt say that by the way
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: you must have the wrong verse
Ducks Love Sugar: 23:34
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: yes he sent prophets
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: but prophets did not reveal new information at this point, or at least after jude was written
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: because the faith was completed
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: nothing more was necessary
Ducks Love Sugar: says who?
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: jude verse three
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: isnt it stupid that god would wait 1830 years to reveal MORE information on how to get to heaven and live?
Ducks Love Sugar: I don't see where it says it's perfect there
Ducks Love Sugar: no
Ducks Love Sugar: it's not
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: contend for the faith that was once for all entrusted to the s
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: saints
Ducks Love Sugar: isn't it stupid that God would condemn a whole continent of people?
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: no he didnt
Ducks Love Sugar: wait, 2 continents
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: ok whats the other continent?
Ducks Love Sugar: australia
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: ?? lol
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: australia?
Ducks Love Sugar: yeah, the aborigines knew nothing of christ
Ducks Love Sugar: so i guess they go to hell
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: ok well if i remember correctly there are 7 continents not 3
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: no
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: you have a poor knowledge of the bible
Ducks Love Sugar: but africa europe and asia are connected
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: anyway, i guess since no joseph smith ever lived in africa those people are going to hell to
Ducks Love Sugar: the mideast was all he needed there
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: so what now?
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: oh but about madagascar?
Ducks Love Sugar: how do you know christ didn't go there?
Ducks Love Sugar: maybe he did
Ducks Love Sugar: he went to many sheep that are not of this flock
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: your cultic antics shine through
Ducks Love Sugar: theres no need to be offensive, I try my hardest to show respect for your religion, you could at least have the courtesy to do the same
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: everyone has a natural yearning for God, altho I cant prove this at the moment I do not believe that it is completely impossible to go to heaven if you have not heard the gospel
Ducks Love Sugar: hehe, you are so unenlightened
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: well it annoys me when i back up everything i say but then i pose you a question and you simply say "well maybe jesus did go to madagascar." you have zero support for that
Ducks Love Sugar: I have support
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: ok then enligten me, prophetess
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: but for the record i believe that if an aboriginee never heard the gospel he is goign to hell
Ducks Love Sugar: do you?
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: waiting to be englightened...
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: why is it you that asks all the questions? hmmm?
Ducks Love Sugar: looking for your enlightenment at the moment
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: it seems like every time i back you into a corner you ask another question
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: so answer this:
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: its my turn to question
Ducks Love Sugar: you never answered me
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: why does the bible say that only by GRACE may you get to Heaven
Ducks Love Sugar: and my questions
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: where as in Nephi it says "all that one can do"
Ducks Love Sugar: give me the chapter and verse
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: yes i answered them as quickly as i could, ask them again if you need
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: 2 Nephi 25:23
Ducks Love Sugar: john 10:16, who is he talking about?
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: also in the Mormon Doctrine on p 331 it says that included in the gospel (how to get to heaven) is: "all of the laws, principles, rites, ordinances, acts, powers, authorities, and keys necessary to save men in the highest heaven hereafter."
Ducks Love Sugar: youre really good at twisting doctrine
Ducks Love Sugar: the only prerequisite to heaven is faith, i know that and you know that
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: but in romans 10:9 it simply says That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
Ducks Love Sugar: and thats what I believe also
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: NO!
Ducks Love Sugar: yes it is
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: dont you realize that mormons are committing suicide because they cant live up your mormonism ridiculous standards?
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: my cousin for example is OBSESSED with perfecting herself
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: the whole family is like that actually
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: and the lady who lived in utah spoke of many suicides covered up due to the depression mormonism creates, the standard is high and so hard
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: but the bible says only God can wash away your sins and perfect you, it is nothing you can do yourself
Ducks Love Sugar: and? whats your point?
Ducks Love Sugar: we believe the only prerequisite to heaven is faith. That's all there is to say
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: its very clear that the Bible and book of mormon contradict one another
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: so pick Christianity or pick Mormonism
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: which do you choose?
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: ok show me
Ducks Love Sugar: you know what. You don't listen to me at all
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: with your book of Mormon
Ducks Love Sugar: why bother talking to you when you won't listen?
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: yes i listen to you and i appreciate your insight
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: because you are well versed in mormonism and i respect that
Ducks Love Sugar: no, you don't
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: and i respect very deeply how devout mormons are, even tho it is only to attaining good works
Ducks Love Sugar: I tell you I believe faith is the only prerequisite to heaven and you tell me i don't
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: mormons are far more devout than most evangelical christians
Ducks Love Sugar: well who believes it, you or me?
Ducks Love Sugar: I know what I believe
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: maybe YOU believe that but your book does not
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: and the mormon doctrine does not
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: and my cousin does not
Ducks Love Sugar: it does too, it's what I was taught in sunday school
Ducks Love Sugar: It is abundantly clear that Latter-day Saints believe we are saved through the blood of Jesus Christ and not by our works. The Book of Mormon clearly teaches that we are saved through the righteousness of Jesus Christ, not through our own personal works.
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: ok well explain nephi then
Ducks Love Sugar: read the rest of the chapter so you know what he's saying then
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: ok well show me these verses because you are the first mormon to present this to me
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: i dont have a book of mormon on me
Ducks Love Sugar: you've never even read it
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: yes i've read it and i've read all of the articles of faith
Ducks Love Sugar: youve read the whole book?
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: well i havent read the whole thing
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: and i dont plan on it. i havent even read the entire bible
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: please just understand before you get angry that i am not trying to prove you wrong or make myself feel special
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: rather, i am trying to show you the truth
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: and i know it is true because my life was truly transformed when i was born again
Ducks Love Sugar: and yet you close your ears to everything I say
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: i remember every word you said
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: but if you believe in salvation by faith, why wont you tell me when you made that decision to give your life to christ?
Ducks Love Sugar: but I'm sick of you spewing twisted doctrine
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: its only twisted because you want it to be, i dont think you realize what mormonism is really about
Ducks Love Sugar: I know intimately every detail of my religion, I've read all 4 books in our canon and i've read Mormon Doctrine, Doctrine of Salvation, and a Marvelous Work and a Wonder
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: pearl of great price?
Ducks Love Sugar: and those are usually anti mormon targets
Ducks Love Sugar: thats one of the 4 standard books
Ducks Love Sugar: So you can't tell me you know more of my religion than I do
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: ok well if you can tell me when you confessed with your mouth the lord jesus then i will believe you are saved
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: and were you baptized in the father, son and holy spirit?
Ducks Love Sugar: You have a preschool understanding compared to my knowledge
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: heh. maybe of mormonism
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: but i know the key points
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: i know that christians mormons dont believe the same thing
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: example: me and you
Ducks Love Sugar: and you use a man made version of christian
Ducks Love Sugar: I don't care that you don't think I'm christian, because your christian religion is man made anyway
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: ah. is that why we put the word of god before every other aspect of our lives?
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: its not like it is natural for me to follow the bible
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: i dont want to follow a lot of its teachings, but i do sacrifice because i believe it is the inspired word of God
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: and I have surrendered my life to Christ
Ducks Love Sugar: but see theres the difference between me and you, I believe youre going to heaven, but you think I'm not
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: we wouldnt be going to the same heaven
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: you believe in a heaven of spirit children and becoming a god and so forth
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: p516 of the MD
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: and page 745
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: well i am off to bed, i hope you have a good day tomorrow.
r4zz3nd4hcub3n: thanks for talking to me, your really a bright girl!