Hello, Rosa_McGee [ logout ] profile | register | faq | search | forum home (Page: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 ) << next newest topic | next oldest topic >> Marilyn Manson BBS > Marilyn Manson > To all the openminded I say welcome. The great theology thread has returned! Author Message freegrace Member 945 Posts Member since: 10-31-2000 Sorry MarilynMonroe ------------------------------------------------------------------------ I think the idea is that people can pop in as they like even though they may not have to read the whole thread. My post was rather long and I don't expect anyone to read all of it. Thanks for stopping by...Freegrace 2 Thes 2:16 "Now may our Lord Jesus Christ Himself and God our Father, who has loved us and given us eternal comfort and good hope by grace, 17 comfort and strengthen your hearts in every good work and word." "The reason true atheists (not your average "I-don't-like- what-mommy-and-daddy-say-so-I-hate-God" rebellious teen) are depressed is because atheism offers no hope, only proof. Proof of no hope." Mike Sorrow posted 02-06-200110:23 PM devilmunchkin Member 3003 Posts Member since: 08-19-2000 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ WOWOWOWOWOWOWW! YALL make me feel so cool. hehe. @freegrace: so i'm not human now..i'm a devilmunchkin. lmao. in reference to more of my questions: i've realized that on some decisions i make snap ones, in my guy sort of thing. But this isn't neccessarily ethics. I don't always think of others when it comes to decisions...or I have been known to base it solely on them and what will benefit them. I will say that if everyone has different morals within an organiazation to the point where they clash, little progress can be made. the company or whatever becomes stagnant. Another reason i don't have to ask if anything is legal is because i'm usually never drawn into doing anything that is actually illegal. I'm not an anarchist by any means. Beautiful death: i go to Baylo University (baptist university) inwaco texas. u? o my lord..(no pun intended) we're getting into the hot seat now with abortion. I will say first off i'm prochoice..it shoudn't surprise you at all since i AM studying to be an ob/gyn. But as far as it being or not being justified bythe bible..i'd have to agree with freegrace in that it is not. *pulls out her OT bazooka* (freegrace....i don' talway suse it on you...just when i disagree..lol). In actuality, look at the story of Judah and Tamar. SHe married his eldest son and when he died (she childless), she was given to the next oldest son. That son practiced withdrawl so she wouldn't become pregnant (he's lose his inheritance then)and supposedly god killed him. this happened with yet another son. the last son was promised but never delivered so tamar tricked Judah into sleeping with her..and became pregant. In the old testament times, populating the earth was transcendental. Populating made clans larger, which helped them gain a foothold over area and land. The more daughters one had, the more son inlaws (this workers) moved into the tent. And they received alot of dowery. SOns were needed as a clan center, religious figure. But also, the hebrews wanted to make their numbers large so they could take over Canaan. I do know that other cultures have habitually practiced abortions according to sex value and what not, but not in the bible. THROUGH ME YOU GO INTO PAIN THAT IS ETERNAL, THROUGH ME YOU GO AMONG PEOPLE LOST. JUSTICE MOVED MY EXALTED CREATOR: THE DIVINE POWER MADE ME, THE SUPREME WISDOM AND THE PRIMA LOVE. BEFORE ME ALL CREATED THINGS WERE ETERNAL, AND ETERNAL WILL LAST. ABANDON EVERY HOPE YOU WHO ENTER HERE. Dante's Inferno, Canto III posted 02-06-200110:35 PM freegrace Member 945 Posts Member since: 10-31-2000 Ahh Devilmunchkin ------------------------------------------------------------------------ You will always be one of my favorite human bbs'ers. Thanks for the support. Good thing that OT gun's not shooting at me right now. On the issue of the law, what about laws you don't agree with? Drinking before the age of 21, speeding, etc (just guesses)? Good night...freegrace 2 Thes 2:16 "Now may our Lord Jesus Christ Himself and God our Father, who has loved us and given us eternal comfort and good hope by grace, 17 comfort and strengthen your hearts in every good work and word." "The reason true atheists (not your average "I-don't-like- what-mommy-and-daddy-say-so-I-hate-God" rebellious teen) are depressed is because atheism offers no hope, only proof. Proof of no hope." Mike Sorrow posted 02-06-200111:04 PM devilmunchkin Member 3003 Posts Member since: 08-19-2000 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ well: i don' t drive. lol. um....i have had a few drinks. with friends..so funfunfun. I haven't grown since 8th grade anyway. I've only experiement with weed....not again. so i probably wouldn't do anything hard. weed wigs me out enough. lol. And plus, who needs drugs to make youpsycho when you already are? THROUGH ME YOU GO INTO PAIN THAT IS ETERNAL, THROUGH ME YOU GO AMONG PEOPLE LOST. JUSTICE MOVED MY EXALTED CREATOR: THE DIVINE POWER MADE ME, THE SUPREME WISDOM AND THE PRIMA LOVE. BEFORE ME ALL CREATED THINGS WERE ETERNAL, AND ETERNAL WILL LAST. ABANDON EVERY HOPE YOU WHO ENTER HERE. Dante's Inferno, Canto III posted 02-06-200111:07 PM ADOLF GANDHI Member 976 Posts Member since: 01-30-2001 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 3 TIMES IN LAST 2 MONTHS FREEGRACE! TOTAL ABSTINENCE FOR OVER LAST 2 WEEKS !! I'M GETTING CLOSER. GLAD TO SEE YOU POP UP IN ONE OF MY POSTS! I WAS ALREADY GONE. HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF AN EVANGELIST BY THE NAME OF JESSE DUPLANTIS F.G. ? WWW.JESSEDUPLANTIS.ORG I LIKE HIM. I WOKE UP WITH FROM A NIGHTMARE ......IT'S 5:07 RIGHT NOW!!!! I THOUGHT TO MYSELF.............. WHAT BETTER PLACE TO GO WITH A NIGHTMARE THAN MANSON'S WEBSITE???? LOL. TALK TO YOU MORE WHEN I'M COHERENT. I AM SOBER THOUGH!!! LOVE YOU MAN. SAY ANOTHER ONE FOR ME F.G.!!!!!!!! YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN. SIGNED,JOE OR BIRTH NAME OF JOSEPH....HEH AND A MAN COME ON THE BBS WITH SOME USELESS INFORMATION....THAT'S SUPPOSED TO DRIVE MY IMAGINATION...AND I CAN'T BE A MAN BECAUSE I DON'T AGREE WITH THE SAME THEORY AS HE.... [This message was edited by ADOLF GANDHI on 02-07-2001 at 02:25 AM.] posted 02-07-200102:17 AM ADOLF GANDHI Member 976 Posts Member since: 01-30-2001 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ THAT WEBSITE ADDRESS IS NOT A LINK. I DON'T KNOW HOW. AND A MAN COME ON THE BBS WITH SOME USELESS INFORMATION....THAT'S SUPPOSED TO DRIVE MY IMAGINATION...AND I CAN'T BE A MAN BECAUSE I DON'T AGREE WITH THE SAME THEORY AS HE.... posted 02-07-200102:20 AM MarilynMonroe Member 1046 Posts Member since: 06-14-2000 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Rictus-that's alright. Just don't let it happen again. lol posted 02-07-200102:22 AM ADOLF GANDHI Member 976 Posts Member since: 01-30-2001 FG ------------------------------------------------------------------------ OKAY. I HAD TO GO GET MY FREE MAGAZINE. IT'S............WWW.JDM.ORG WWW.JDM.ORG SORRY FOR THE MIS-INFO AND A MAN COME ON THE BBS WITH SOME USELESS INFORMATION....THAT'S SUPPOSED TO DRIVE MY IMAGINATION...AND I CAN'T BE A MAN BECAUSE I DON'T AGREE WITH THE SAME THEORY AS HE.... posted 02-07-200102:23 AM ADOLF GANDHI Member 976 Posts Member since: 01-30-2001 ARGH ------------------------------------------------------------------------ I CAN'T SEE MY EDITS! WWW.JDM.ORG www.jdm.org AND A MAN COME ON THE BBS WITH SOME USELESS INFORMATION....THAT'S SUPPOSED TO DRIVE MY IMAGINATION...AND I CAN'T BE A MAN BECAUSE I DON'T AGREE WITH THE SAME THEORY AS HE.... posted 02-07-200102:27 AM ADOLF GANDHI Member 976 Posts Member since: 01-30-2001 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ IT WORKS!!!! JESSE USED TO BE A LEAD SINGER IN A ROCK N ROLL BAND AND IS AN EX-ADDICT. I NEED TO GET MY ARSE BACK IN WITH SOME GOOD PEOPLE!! MY PASTOR IS SO NICE! I SMOKED POT WITH HIM BACK IN THE 80'S !! LOL. HIS BROTHER .....WHO HAS BEEN CLEAN FOR A LITTLE OVER 5 YEARS NOW IS A GOOD FRIEND. WE PLAY GOLF TOGETHER ALL THE TIME. HE HELPS ME. I USED TO FEEL REALLY GOOD ABOUT MYSELF WHEN I WAS CLEAN AND GOING TO CHURCH. I MISS THAT FEELING. I NEED SOME MORE CLEAN TIME. I'M A PRISONER IN MY OWN HOUSE. ON PURPOSE!!!! I GOT PEOPLE WATCHING ME!!!! AND A MAN COME ON THE BBS WITH SOME USELESS INFORMATION....THAT'S SUPPOSED TO DRIVE MY IMAGINATION...AND I CAN'T BE A MAN BECAUSE I DON'T AGREE WITH THE SAME THEORY AS HE.... posted 02-07-200102:35 AM ADOLF GANDHI Member 976 Posts Member since: 01-30-2001 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ OK. MY LAST RANT. THERE IS A MANSON SONG THAT SAYS.... KILL YOUR GOD.......KILL YOUR T.V. AND I POST A TELEVANGELIST WEBSITE LINK ON MANSON'S SITE. LOL. KIND OF IRONIC. PEOPLE WILL FLAME ME FOR IT BUT........... LOL. YOU KNOW ME. I AM FREE AS A BIRD. AND THIS BIRD WILL NEVER CHANGE! WHEN IT COMES TO FREEDOM OF SPEECH AND EXPRESSION. GONE. AGAIN. AND A MAN COME ON THE BBS WITH SOME USELESS INFORMATION....THAT'S SUPPOSED TO DRIVE MY IMAGINATION...AND I CAN'T BE A MAN BECAUSE I DON'T AGREE WITH THE SAME THEORY AS HE.... posted 02-07-200102:39 AM Rictus Member 3203 Posts Member since: 06-05-2000 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ @P.J.: Loved the article. Looking forward to homosexuality *lol* @ADOLPH: WWlecome back!!! It's great to hear from you, and I'm glad things are improving. You know the retoric, but I'll say it anyway... don't give up, keep trying, you matter, people care. Good luck, keep us posted. @freegrace: The weather here is taking on tones of the surreal. Freezing cold Monday, Thunderstorms yesterday, now it's sunny and warm! I think PJ's artice was not so much trying to prove a biblical mandate for abortion as attacking the way it is portrayed as being anti-abortion. I definately agree that there is a case to be made for taking things in context at all times, especially with a book as diverse and rich in texture as the bible. @Rosa: Sorry to hear about your accident. Hope you are healing ok. @devilmunchkin: Who's side are you on?!!? Well, even handedness is a virtue I suppose. For the record, I quite like being a Rictus! @Marilynmonroe: OK. *shrug* I like the long thread. @Mike: Hi yourself! Me. "All the drugs in this world Won't save her from herself..." *^*Co-founder and proud member of the blackjack appreciation society. She's tiny but she rules.*^* "Kill The Cheese!!!" - Eliza (who I love) "No one is a nigger" - Order in an Artificial Chaos posted 02-07-200103:45 AM BeautifulDEATH Member 233 Posts Member since: 02-02-2001 responses ------------------------------------------------------------------------ I have to be quick because I'm heading off to work. @ freegrace - I don't have proof - I was just asking the question. Do you think Jesus had any female companion whom he made love to? I'm a member of a United Methodist/UCC combo. church. The membership is about 1/2 and 1/2. @devilmunchkin - OB/GYN - huh? That's cool. I graduated from Springfield College 8 years ago and worked in corporate and commercial fitness management. Now I have my own Personal Training business and am teaching. My girls are getting up - gotta go! Have a great day all! "The more I observe nature, the more I realize that the line between death and beauty is blurred - they are one and the same."- dawneagle posted 02-07-200103:47 AM Plastic Jesus Member 2733 Posts Member since: 06-19-2000 @freegrace ------------------------------------------------------------------------ You're right about the fact that the article took some verses ouf of context, too. But doesn't that just prove what I was trying to say? If it's so easy to take "truths", that are in contradiction with each other, out of the Bible then doesn't that mean something? That the Bible cant and shouldn't be used as a book of laws? You never commented on that...though I know you dont have much time but I'd be happy if you could reply some day. And now the article I promised. It's a bit different than the abortion article but it's still good (and btw, people were asking about the site I got these from. They're both from: http://elroy.net/ehr/ ) quote: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ When Christians pour their judgment on homosexual men and women, they do nothing less than make a mockery of their own savior, Jesus Christ. The grace they are willing to accept as followers of Christ is suddenly not good enough to extend to those they find offensive. It's a double standard, based not in biblical truth but in fear and the desire for control. To understand this, we must understand what Christians believe, and how their beliefs are being subverted from living in love to the canonizing of condemnation. Christians believe we all have sins that keep us from eternal life. None of us are good enough to earn our way into heaven, not even the Mother Teresa's of the world.1 Sin - the breaking of God's laws as laid down in the Bible - must be "atoned" for; it must be penalized, and the penalty is eternal death,2 what some call going to hell. But all is not lost, say Christians, because God himself paid the price by sending his son, in the person of Jesus Christ, to die for all of us.3 This is called "propitiation," where Christ died in our place to pay the penalty of sin. In essence, he became all of us for those moments that he hung on the cross; he became whatever kind of sinner we are, and then he took those sins to the grave.4 But, as most of us know from celebrating Easter each year, Christians believe Christ did not stay in the grave. Once the penalty of sin was erased, Christ was raised from the dead and now lives in heaven with God.5 But we are not automatically "saved" from out sins. A person must decide to accept Christ's sacrifice on the cross in order to "join the family of God."6 Some people believe we must say a prayer, asking God to forgive us of our sins.7 Others say we must simply choose to believe in Christ.8 Still others say we must confess our belief in Christ's sacrifice by going through a public ritual that represents Christ's death and resurrection, a ritual known as baptism.9 Whichever way it's done, we must consciously decide to accept Christ's sacrifice for our own sins. This is called "grace." In a nutshell, grace is forgiving someone when they have wronged you. Since Christians believe all of us have wronged God with our sins, by believing that Christ paid our eternal penalty for our wrongdoing, we are accepting God's grace.10 Sounds simple enough. But it's not. Once you become a Christian, you should start seeing a change in your behavior.11 You should start learning to love.12 You should also stop wanting to sin.13 But here's the catch. You can't. Even after you accept Christ's forgiveness, you will continue to be a sinner. Try as you might to stop altogether, you just can't.14 Even the Apostle Paul, one of the most prolific writers in the Bible, complained that he kept sinning.15 But we are told to keep trying and that we should see some progress.16 We are also told that some people who say the words to become a Christian may not actually believe what they were saying. These people are not really saved.17 And, say some Christians, you'll know who they are because they don't even try to stop sinning, even though those who are saved can never stop either. Confused? It gets worse. Some Christians have made an art of figuring out who is saved and who is not. They figure that if you are at least trying to align your lifestyle to fit their interpretation of God's laws, then you are living under God's grace. But if you choose to continue living in a lifestyle displeasing to God, you cannot really be saved because you are living in a state of rebellion. These Christians are diligent to pick out those sins that are "lifestyle" sins and those that are once-in-a-while sins that can affect even good Christians. Once-in-a-while sins they blow off with the phrase, "we all fail sometime." Lifestyle sins they condemn loudly, making the point that people who practice such sins are bound for hell, and if they seduce our children into such sins, they will go to hell too. And this is where these kinds of Christians, known collectively as the Religious Right or Fundamentalists, make a mockery of their own Savior. They do this by picking and choosing which lifestyle sins are covered by God's grace and which ones are not. They do this by claiming that God's grace covers their own lifestyle sins but not those of the homosexual. They do this by accepting God's grace in their own lives and then refusing to extend that same grace to those they condemn for having the wrong lifestyle. And they can do this because they don't believe they have any lifestyle sins of their own. If you ask them about it, they'll say things like, "I used to sleep around but I was forgiven of that sin and now I don't do it anymore." However, ask them if a homosexual can be saved by God's grace, and they will say, "The gay man who does not turn from his homosexuality is choosing to live a lifestyle counter to God's laws and is not, therefore, saved by grace." What they conveniently forget is that 50% of them - those who count themselves among the Religious Right - are divorced, and more than 85% of those are remarried. What that means is, according to the Bible, that nearly 43% of the same people who condemn the gay man for his homosexuality choose to live in a lifestyle of adultery, a sin that ranks equal to homosexuality in God's eyes. That's right. The very people who condemn one "sinful" lifestyle are practicing another. You see, in the Bible Jesus said: "Every one who divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery, and he who marries a woman divorced from her husband commits adultery." Luke 16:18 And the Apostle Paul (who continued to sin himself) said: "Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither the immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor sexual perverts, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor robbers will inherit the kingdom of God." 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 A divorced man who remarries is entering into an adulterous relationship. And it's not just a relationship; it's an adulterous lifestyle because the remarried man chooses to continue living in the adulterous relationship for the rest of his life (or until he divorces and remarries again). However, if you ask this adulterous man if he is still a Christian, he will say something like, "I believe God has forgiven me and I'm now living under his grace." And ask him if he's willing to leave his current wife in order to "turn from his adulterous lifestyle," and he will refuse because "God's grace has already saved him." But this is the same man who earlier claimed that the homosexual must turn from his "sinful" lifestyle as a condition of receiving God's grace. Sound unfair? It is. Sound ungodly? Let's see what Christ had to say about it: "Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and the measure you give will be the measure you get. " Matthew 7:1-2 And: "Therefore the kingdom of heaven may be compared to a king who wished to settle accounts with his servants. When he began the reckoning, one was brought to him who owed him ten thousand talents; and as he could not pay, his lord ordered him to be sold, with his wife and children and all that he had, and payment to be made. So the servant fell on his knees, imploring him, `Lord, have patience with me, and I will pay you everything.' And out of pity for him the lord of that servant released him and forgave him the debt. But that same servant, as he went out, came upon one of his fellow servants who owed him a hundred denarii; and seizing him by the throat he said, `Pay what you owe.' So his fellow servant fell down and besought him, `Have patience with me, and I will pay you.' He refused and went and put him in prison till he should pay the debt. When his fellow servants saw what had taken place, they were greatly distressed, and they went and reported to their lord all that had taken place. Then his lord summoned him and said to him, `You wicked servant! I forgave you all that debt because you besought me; and should not you have had mercy on your fellow servant, as I had mercy on you?' And in anger his lord delivered him to the jailers, till he should pay all his debt. So also my heavenly Father will do to every one of you, if you do not forgive your brother from your heart." Matthew 18:23-35 The Religious Right is nearly half-full with people living in continuous adulterous lifestyles, and those who are not remarried fully accept their remarried brothers and sisters without question. They even perform their adulterous marriage ceremonies in their churches. Yet they have the gall to preach from their pulpits or shout through the airwaves that God wants us to stop the world from accepting homosexuals the same way they have been accepted by God. Jesus warned us not to be like the servant who was forgiven his debt by the grace of his lord but then used the legal system to throw a fellow slave in jail.18 The Religious Right, however, claim God's grace for their own lifestyle sins but then turn around and give tremendous amounts of time and money to use the legal system against homosexuals. It is a double standard. It is a mockery. If Christ took their sins to the cross and became an adulterer through propitiation before burying that sin in the ground, then Christ also took the gay person's sin to the cross and became a homosexual before burying that sin in the ground. The Religious Right, and everyone else, should either accept that God's grace covers all of us, including those living in sinful lifestyles, or that none of us are covered. They should either condemn their remarried members or shut up about those among us who are gay. But they don't. And we are left to wonder why. Why do they pick on one "sinful" lifestyle but not their own? Why homosexuality and not adultery? They say it's because homosexuality is damaging our families and hurting our children. But which is really worse? Over 50% of American parents get divorced. Most of those remarry. Over 50% of our children have their families torn apart and then merged with the families of strangers (causing a lot of sexual abuse on children by step-parents). But less than 10% of the population is homosexual. Even if they had twice as many relationships as heterosexuals do, they could not possibly cause the kind of damage that heterosexual divorce and remarriage does. A more logical explanation is that these Christians are afraid of the unknown and they want to control it. Heterosexuals have often been uncomfortable with homosexuals. The term "fag" is used to insult one's manliness; and "dyke" to insult one's femininity. Society in general has not been kind to its homosexual members. But with the addition of Fundamentalist Religious fervor, and the ability to rationalize their own sins away, the Religious Right have turned the fear of homosexuality into a holy war against a portion of the population. Of course, the Religious Right claim they are not trying to hurt anyone. They use phrases like, "We must love the sinner but hate the sin." But as Einstein said and Christ demonstrated, "You cannot simultaneously say that you love someone and use your power against them." Christ did not use his power to legislate against the sinful people of his day. Instead he went drinking with them.19 Christ did not condemn the person caught with her pants down - literally. Instead he embarrassed her detractors by saying that anyone who had not sinned could throw the first stone at her - and not one got thrown.20 Christ did not raise money for his causes by claiming that those involved in the sinful lifestyles of his day were ganging up to "destroy the family." Instead he invited them to be his friends and followers.21 And perhaps that is the most logical explanation yet. Playing on people's fears is a great way to make money. Advertisers use it every day. If you don't want dandruff, use this. If you don't want to smell bad, use that. If you don't want to end up sick or dead, eat our stuff instead of their stuff. And if you don't want homosexuals taking over our schools, support our cause by sending in your donations. Fear sells. Whether intentional or not, the truth is the Religious Right rake in a great deal of money every time they claim homosexuals are threatening our nation's families, or worse, our children. The former vice-president of Focus on the Family, a leading Religious Right organization, stated in his book, "James Dobson's War on America" (Dobson is the founder and president) that when their donations went down, they could simply broadcast a scary special about the gay agenda (or the evil women's movement or the even more evil abortion rights groups - but never remarried people since that would drive away nearly half of their listeners) and their revenues would increase substantially.22 This is how they "love the sinner," by abusing them in order to make money? The term "mockery" doesn't begin to describe the trashing these so-called Christians are doing to God's name. The Religious Right should get down on their knees and beg the forgiveness of every homosexual man or woman they have publicly condemned on their way to the bank. They should beg God's forgiveness for being just like the wicked servant in Christ's story, forgiven of their own sinful lifestyles but unwilling to forgive the lifestyles of their fellow human beings. And then they should stop their self-righteous rhetoric and remember that for a moment in their savior's life, as he hung on a cross for everyone's sin, that Christ was gay. Endnotes: 1 Romans 3:23, Bible, Revised Standard Edition 2 Romans 6:23, Bible, Revised Standard Edition 3 John 3:16, Bible, Revised Standard Edition 4 Romans 3:24, Bible, Revised Standard Edition 5 Mark 16:6, Bible, Revised Standard Edition 6 Romans 10:9, Bible, Revised Standard Edition 7 Matthew 6:9-14, Bible, Revised Standard Edition 8 John 3:16, Bible, Revised Standard Edition 9 Mark 16:16, Bible, Revised Standard Edition 10 Ephesians 2:8, Bible, Revised Standard Edition 11 2 Corinthians 5:17, Bible, Revised Standard Edition 12 Galations 5:22, Bible, Revised Standard Edition 13 Romans 6:1-23, Bible, Revised Standard Edition 14 1 John 1:8, Bible, Revised Standard Edition 15 Romans 7:14-15, Bible, Revised Standard Edition 16 Romans 6:10-11, Bible, Revised Standard Edition 17 Matthew 7:21-23, Bible, Revised Standard Edition 18 Matthew 18:23-35, Bible, Revised Standard Edition 19 Luke 7:34, Bible, Revised Standard Edition 20 John 8:3-9, Bible, Revised Standard Edition 21 Luke 7:34, Bible, Revised Standard Edition 22 Gil Alexander-Moegerle, James Dobson's War on America, 1987, p. 42. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ And that brings me to few other question. Let's forget the Bible for a while...if you didn't know what the Bible has to say about homosexuality, would you still think it's wrong? And, be honest now, what about adultery? Would you think that divorcing and getting married again is a wrong thing to do if you didn't know what the Bible has to say about it? Thank you again. ---------------------- "Don't make your kids stupid!" -Jello Biafra The Plastic Jesus Cult plastic.jesus@antisocial.com Official Naked Runners Club: no.6 posted 02-07-200107:56 AM freegrace Member 945 Posts Member since: 10-31-2000 Welcome Back My Beloved Adolph and hello to all my other friends ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Adolph...You do not have any idea how much I've missed you. I thought I lost you forever. It is great to have you back and I am so proud of your accomplishments with your abstinence from drugs. What a victory! I forget where, but somewhere on this thread I spoke about how much I admired you for having the courage to change. Plastic Jesus...Thanks for posting. I will take a look at the homosexual and abortion post and get a response out to you on both hopefully next week. They may not be as detailed as I like for a lack of time. Great questions though. BeautifulDeath...Thanks for the info. Believe me, I understand how time can be short. I guess that my point was that I try not to assume too many things about Jesus that were not written about in Scripture. Devilmunchkin...I prayed for you this morning. I prayed that you would have the strength to face this challenging day. God Bless everyone and have a great day! I'm at work right now so I can't talk for long but I just wanted to drop in and say hello. 2 Thes 2:16 "Now may our Lord Jesus Christ Himself and God our Father, who has loved us and given us eternal comfort and good hope by grace, 17 comfort and strengthen your hearts in every good work and word." "The reason true atheists (not your average "I-don't-like- what-mommy-and-daddy-say-so-I-hate-God" rebellious teen) are depressed is because atheism offers no hope, only proof. Proof of no hope." Mike Sorrow posted 02-07-200109:28 AM Rictus Member 3203 Posts Member since: 06-05-2000 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ @beautifulDEATH: You asked me about gnostic chrictianity. It's an essay reply, and one I don't have time to type right now, but be assured I will share at some point. Thankyou for your patience. Me. "All the drugs in this world Won't save her from herself..." *^*Co-founder and proud member of the blackjack appreciation society. She's tiny but she rules.*^* "Kill The Cheese!!!" - Eliza (who I love) "No one is a nigger" - Order in an Artificial Chaos posted 02-08-200102:55 AM ADOLF GANDHI Member 976 Posts Member since: 01-30-2001 FREEGRACE SOMETHING KIND OF SPIRITUAL HAPPENED TO ME LAST NIGHT!!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AFTER I POSTED ABOUT HOW I WAS THINKING OF GOING BACK TO CHURCH .....I WENT TO THAT SITE I LISTED. WWW.JDM.ORG I DID THIS TO GET ANOTHER FREE MAGAZINE SUBSCRIPTION SINCE MY LAST ONE RAN OUT LONG AGO. I STILL HAVE SOME OLD ONES. IT HAD A PRAYER SECTION IN THE MAG. REQUEST SECTION. I TYPED IN A PRAYER AND SENT IT ALONG WITH THE REQUEST. I HAVEN'T BEEN TO CHURCH IN A YEAR. I HAVEN'T PLAYED GOLF OR TALKED TO THE PASTORS BROTHER IN OVER 3 MONTHS! THE PASTOR CALLED ME AND INVITED ME TO COME BACK TO CHURCH. THE BROTHER CALLED AND TOLD ME HE WOULD PICK ME UP ON SUNDAY TO TAKE ME TO THEIR NEW LOCATION SINCE THEY HAVE MOVED. THIS WAS THE NIGHT I POSTED THE EARLIER POSTS AND SENT IN MY LITTLE CYBER PRAYER !!!!!!! THIS IS NOT A JOKE. THE SAME DAY!!!! IT'S LIKE I GOT AN ANSWER IN LESS THAN 24 HOURS!!! I'M STILL SHOCKED BY IT. JUST TAKE 30 SECONDS AND SAY A PRAYER FOR ME TO FOLLOW THROUGH WITH THIS F.G.!!! I'M STARTING TO GET A SENSE OF SOME KIND OF FAITH BACK IN.... AT LEAST GOOD HUMAN NATURE AND KINDNESS IF NOTHING ELSE. THE PEOPLE THAT GO TO THIS CHURCH ARE CARING ,FUN AND GOOD NATURED PEOPLE. THAT ALONE IS SOMETHING THAT I ADMIRE. THAT ALONE IS SOMETHING I LIKE. THESE PEOPLE FEEL GOOD ABOUT THEMSELVES AND TRY TO PASS THAT ON TO OTHERS. I LIKE PEOPLE LIKE THIS. I CUT UP AND SAY STUPID THINGS ON THIS SITE BUT..... I DO NOT LIKE OR WANT TO DWELL ON DARKNESS/HATE/DEPRESSION/MISERY. WHAT IN DARKNESS DO YOU SEE ??????? ????? NOTHING. AND A MAN COME ON THE BBS WITH SOME USELESS INFORMATION....THAT'S SUPPOSED TO DRIVE MY IMAGINATION...AND I CAN'T BE A MAN BECAUSE I DON'T AGREE WITH THE SAME THEORY AS HE.... [This message was edited by ADOLF GANDHI on 02-08-2001 at 07:23 AM.] posted 02-08-200107:13 AM ADOLF GANDHI Member 976 Posts Member since: 01-30-2001 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ NOW ....... UNLESS THE PASTOR OR BROTHER IS A MEMBER OF THE MARILYN MANSON BBS..... LOL. I WOULD SAY THIS IS KIND OF ........ AN INTERESTINGLY TIMED HECK OF A COINCIDENCE OR COULD IT BE........... SOME KIND OF DIVINE INTERVENTION ?? MY PRAYER WAS THIS............. I STARTED TO TYPE IT BUT.... I CAN'T PUBLICIZE IT. I DON'T WANT MY PERSONAL PRAYER TO GOD TO BE CRITICIZED. AND A MAN COME ON THE BBS WITH SOME USELESS INFORMATION....THAT'S SUPPOSED TO DRIVE MY IMAGINATION...AND I CAN'T BE A MAN BECAUSE I DON'T AGREE WITH THE SAME THEORY AS HE.... posted 02-08-200107:22 AM freegrace Member 945 Posts Member since: 10-31-2000 Adolph, I am so proud of you ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Words cannot express how excited I am for you. Feel free to email your prayer to joepachat@hotmail.com. I would love to talk to you about this. Let me know if you sent the message here on the thread, because I don't check that email too often. Jesse Duplantis has a great ministry. No coincidence there, as you know I attribute that to divine grace. I will certainly pray for you. My prayer is that you will continue to seek God and a life that will give you true joy. Have a great day! Your friend and biggest fan, Freegrace 2 Thes 2:16 "Now may our Lord Jesus Christ Himself and God our Father, who has loved us and given us eternal comfort and good hope by grace, 17 comfort and strengthen your hearts in every good work and word." "The reason true atheists (not your average "I-don't-like- what-mommy-and-daddy-say-so-I-hate-God" rebellious teen) are depressed is because atheism offers no hope, only proof. Proof of no hope." Mike Sorrow posted 02-08-200109:23 AM Rosa_McGee Member 841 Posts Member since: 08-16-2000 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ @ freegrace... your questions nin... this is difficult, or rather difficult to put into words, because i think we react to art subconciously in the first place... but as a professor of mine once said, we are human beings and can put our thoughts into words in our apreciation of art, not just wallow in our feelings... so i'll try my best... please bear in mind, though, that the following is purely personal perception and might be totally wrong on any objective level... i don't know trent, i only know the part he shows in his music and occasional interviews... *long pause, thinking* damm it, do you know this is more difficult than most of our theological debates.... i admit, the first approach was probably an emotional one... to say i can relate to what he sings about is so very cliché that i'm reluctant to use the expression, but no better one comes to mind right now... if you've ever had depressions, you might know what i'm talking about... quality... i think trent is a real artist... the music is incredible intense, emotional, but at the same time very sophisaticated, artistic... and these two concepts don't diminish, but reinforce each other... he seems to be very sincere about his art, with him i somehow believe it when he says he does what he feels like doing and doesn't give a damm about anybody's expectations... great style in everything... i've always admired that in anbody... but nin always keep the perfect balance between content and surface... depends on the mood i'm in, but manson for my taste overdoes the surface aspect sometimes...manson is connected to my oscar wilde phase, nin in comparison would be virginia woolf... nin for me has a special kind of purity, i can't find any other word for it... for all the pain there is, for all the emotional depths he's going through, even in things like the broken movie, it's there.... lyrics... since i'm not a very musical person, lyrics are important for me... i like the introspective, self-analyzing lyrics better, than, e.g., manson's, who either wraps his message in his personal mythology, or rages against 'god, guns & government'.... in nin lyrics the intensity (honesty ?) can be almost painful..... from what i read in interviews i think he's a rather intelligent, thinking person too... probably stupid, but that's important for me if i admire someone... i'm going to post this now, and adress the other question later, because my internet explorer has crashed twice already and i had to type this again.... 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