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| Hello, Rosa_McGee [ logout ] profile | register | faq | search | forum home (Page: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 ) << next newest topic | next oldest topic >> Marilyn Manson BBS > Marilyn Manson > To all the openminded I say welcome. The great theology thread has returned! Author Message freegrace Member 945 Posts Member since: 10-31-2000 Hello All ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Rosa, Adolph and Everyone: Maybe Rosa's right and it would be a good idea to start a new thread. I'd hate to do that though because there is so much stuff here that we covered that I think is good. A lot of times you see the same issues resurfacing again (omniscience vs. omnipotence or intelligent design vs. evolution/big bang). On the other hand, I think that the original purpose is not being achieved. Also, people are often intimidated by the large size of it. I leave that up to you guys. I do, however, miss hearing from you Rosa. You've got great insights. Adolph...As Jesus said in Luke 6:29 "Whoever hits you on the cheek, offer him the other also; and whoever takes away your coat, do not withhold your shirt from him either." One of the greatest challenges that I constantly battle as a Christian is not trying to hurt those who hurt you. What I have found is that if your life is wrapped up in righting all of the wrongs done to you, you will become a very bitter person. It is much harder in the short term but in the long term it is better to forgive and move on. You have witnessed how often people have said some pretty strong words to me on this bbs. I have tried as best I could to act in a Christian way. While I struggled a while back with Rosa and currently with Prarie, I know that it takes a bigger man to swallow his pride, take his lumps and love anyway. What I have often found is that after a while people will leave you alone because it doesn't bother you. Also, no offense, but if you are going to post a topic that speaks that negatively about homosexuals, you had to expect a pretty harsh response on this bbs. I disagree with homosexuality but I love the homosexual. I would not talk about them being fudgepackers and etc. While I disagree with their lifestyle, I still think they deserve respect as people. I feel just as strongly about heterosexual sin as I do homosexual. God Bless and I love you all...freegrace 2 Thes 2:16 "Now may our Lord Jesus Christ Himself and God our Father, who has loved us and given us eternal comfort and good hope by grace, 17 comfort and strengthen your hearts in every good work and word." "The reason true atheists (not your average "I-don't-like- what-mommy-and-daddy-say-so-I-hate-God" rebellious teen) are depressed is because atheism offers no hope, only proof. Proof of no hope." Mike Sorrow posted 02-25-200108:25 PM devilmunchkin Member 3003 Posts Member since: 08-19-2000 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ you know..i often think about that when dealing with my renst...offering them the other cheeck. but why do i always see that as making the situation worse? THROUGH ME YOU GO INTO PAIN THAT IS ETERNAL, THROUGH ME YOU GO AMONG PEOPLE LOST. JUSTICE MOVED MY EXALTED CREATOR: THE DIVINE POWER MADE ME, THE SUPREME WISDOM AND THE PRIMA LOVE. BEFORE ME ALL CREATED THINGS WERE ETERNAL, AND ETERNAL WILL LAST. ABANDON EVERY HOPE YOU WHO ENTER HERE. Dante's Inferno, Canto III posted 02-25-200108:31 PM freegrace Member 945 Posts Member since: 10-31-2000 Devilmunchkin ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Great point. I don't think Jesus was talking about making yourself a wimp. What he was saying was that your first inclination should not be to avenge them. That does not, however, mean that you do not confront those who hurt you. Matthew 18:15 says, "And if your brother sins, go and reprove him in private; if he listens to you, you have won your brother. 16 "But if he does not listen to you, take one or two more with you, so that by the mouth of two or three witnesses every fact may be confirmed. 17 "And if he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax-gatherer." When someone hurts you, you let them know because you want to see them become a better person, not because you want to exact revenge upon them. Jesus said even to go so far as to remove yourself from potentially abusive situations. Turning your cheek refers to your own personal revenge while reproving the brother deals with restoration of that person into a life of holiness. I hope this helps...freegrace 2 Thes 2:16 "Now may our Lord Jesus Christ Himself and God our Father, who has loved us and given us eternal comfort and good hope by grace, 17 comfort and strengthen your hearts in every good work and word." "The reason true atheists (not your average "I-don't-like- what-mommy-and-daddy-say-so-I-hate-God" rebellious teen) are depressed is because atheism offers no hope, only proof. Proof of no hope." Mike Sorrow posted 02-25-200108:38 PM freegrace Member 945 Posts Member since: 10-31-2000 By the way Devilmunchkin *and everyone else please read* ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Have you been thinking positive thoughts about yourself today? Everyone on the thread do me a favor. Please post nice things about Devilmunchkin. I happen to think very highly of her but she does not always do the same. I want her to start seeing herself in a better light. If you have any great things to add about her, please do so. NO MEAN POSTS! Really, I mean it. Don't embarass me by not responding to this. Thanks, freegrace 2 Thes 2:16 "Now may our Lord Jesus Christ Himself and God our Father, who has loved us and given us eternal comfort and good hope by grace, 17 comfort and strengthen your hearts in every good work and word." "The reason true atheists (not your average "I-don't-like- what-mommy-and-daddy-say-so-I-hate-God" rebellious teen) are depressed is because atheism offers no hope, only proof. Proof of no hope." Mike Sorrow posted 02-25-200108:46 PM Grump Member 1967 Posts Member since: 01-11-2001 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ i wish i had something specific and nice to say about devilmunchkin, but i don't know her. i just like her sig file because of the nice smile; generally, i have little patience for sig files (see sig file below, LOL). i personally don't see any inherent connection between spirituality/ religious convictions and ethics/ how one acts in the world and treats others. i am a pretty staunch atheist but a pretty good person. i feel that "doing good" for others, as well as for oneself, is its own "reward"-- and sometimes there is no reward. i don't look for kudos from doing things for people.. if i feel unappreciated, that means i need to stop and think about my motives. if i'm looking for some kind of recognition--including from some sort of higher being--then i'm doing things for the wrong reasons. that, to me, is selfish: doing god's work because it pleases god and reflects well on you as an individual. i like your name, freegrace, because i think of "grace" or some less overtly religious concept of that as, indeed, "free." there are so many "good" things done in this world for ulterior motives.. i like the idea of giving freely; i think that's really the only way in which "giving" can live up to its name. otherwise, it's just a form of barter. and bartering is fine... as long as you don't call it a gift! case in point: i notice my father doing a lot of things supposedly for other people (sending out christmas cards, sendin g these copious email posts based on themes that he's decided all these friends of his must want to read every week.. they're not even his writing; they're things--often crap--he finds on the web and thinks people might find interesting, buying presents for people...) and when he's not properly 'appreciated,' he gets not even just sulky but downright hostile. this to me is the antithesis of the notion of the 'free gift.' whenever i give someone something, i remind myself that the act of giving should speak for itself and doesn't require anything other than -- i hope-- the information that the gift was received, so i know it didn't miss its recipient-- whether that's material or non-material. if i catch myself acting like my father, i remind myself that that's not the point, that wasn't the impulse that first drove me to want to give: it was simply Â?to give because i thought that that "thing"-- whether object, thought, sentiment, bit of language, whatever-- would be useful or would give pleasure. it wasn't to get something in return. i guess i feel the same way about acting ethically/ caring about other people. i don't expect anything back.. not even good "karma" or some similarly quasi-religious notion. i just know that there's something in me that doesn't want to abuse people. i have in the past had a tendency not to "turn the other cheek"-- sometimes i think i really went through the world looking for an excuse for retaliation. but i've changed in many ways; i've grown to love myself and love others and not be scared and angry all the time (though i am sometimes sad and angry, of course, but far less often and in ways that i can handle, can reflect on and learn from and respond to in ways that aren't destructive). i don't know entirely why i am so staunchly atheistic for myself. i don't inherently disrespect others' religious convictions/ faith/ what have you. i used to be quite intolerant but i'm not anymore. it's just something i don't really understand and don't really gravitate to. (the only reason i checked out this thread in the first place was because rictus started it, once i realized i found rictus interesting.) i may be representing myself as far more charitable than i really am. maybe i am delusional! i do want to say, though, that i respect you and your efforts to be respectful to people, freegrace; if that comes from your love of christ, so be it. i'm not one to judge that. something in me simply resists the whole notion of there being someone/ something inherently more powerful than i, beyond human comprehension, etc. that doesn't mean i don't think there are PEOPLE who are smarter than i, better than i, whatever.. but i have never gravitated toward "god" as a concept or a feeling or a promise or anything. i especially dislike the idea of god as a man.. that i simply cannot take. other ideas of "gods" or even "god" as something without gender and outside of human constructs makes, potentially, a different kind of sense to me, though, again, it's not something i gravitate toward. hmm. thanks for listening.Â? I'm not afraid to admit that I masturbate club. Member No. 648,294,024. ## officially sick of sig files of all kinds##1 posted 02-25-200109:31 PM Rictus Member 3203 Posts Member since: 06-05-2000 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Devilmunchkin is one of the nicest, most intelligent and ballenced people I have come across on this BBS. She has a sence of fairness and a genuine desire to interact, to learn and to grow that I find fills me with enthusiasm and joy. I find her insperational. Thankyou devilmunchkin, for continuing to post here. @nazgul: Thankyou, I'm glad you liked it. I've seen some of that movie, 'braindead' right? The irony is killing me. Me. Random Quote club 2001 - member No. 1 "All the drugs in this world Won't save her from herself..." *^*Co-founder and proud member of the blackjack appreciation society. She's tiny but she rules.*^* "Kill The Cheese!!!" - Eliza (who I love) "No one is a nigger" - Order in an Artificial Chaos posted 02-26-200105:52 AM devilmunchkin Member 3003 Posts Member since: 08-19-2000 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ lol! freegrace!!!!! *is laughing* compliments make me blush. i also don't know what to do...so..i guess i'll say thank you. actually, i thought i had nice eyes today. umm..and i'm having a good hair day??? lol. balanced?? naw..i scare people. i try not to. but ok..i'm working on balance. i try. ok...i'm gonna go cause i don't know what else to say. i'm not used to this..i'm used to my parents. THROUGH ME YOU GO INTO PAIN THAT IS ETERNAL, THROUGH ME YOU GO AMONG PEOPLE LOST. JUSTICE MOVED MY EXALTED CREATOR: THE DIVINE POWER MADE ME, THE SUPREME WISDOM AND THE PRIMA LOVE. BEFORE ME ALL CREATED THINGS WERE ETERNAL, AND ETERNAL WILL LAST. ABANDON EVERY HOPE YOU WHO ENTER HERE. Dante's Inferno, Canto III posted 02-26-200108:25 AM Rictus Member 3203 Posts Member since: 06-05-2000 Someone wanted this pic posted in this thread.... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ...so I'm going to post it. My appologies to everyone who feel it isn't relevent, because it isn't. And this is why I'm posting it: request Me. Random Quote club 2001 - member No. 1 "All the drugs in this world Won't save her from herself..." *^*Co-founder and proud member of the blackjack appreciation society. She's tiny but she rules.*^* "Kill The Cheese!!!" - Eliza (who I love) "No one is a nigger" - Order in an Artificial Chaos posted 02-26-200111:04 AM Lord of the Nazgúl Member 1369 Posts Member since: 02-02-2001 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Great pic . Yeah, it's from Braindead (Dead-Alive). I figured Adolf would be able to pick up the irony, but I guess I gave him too much credit ... ------------------ There is only one difference between a madman and me. I am not mad. - Salvador Dali BBS Poetry Club BBS Club for non-smoking teetotaling drug-free vegetarian celibate stoics: member #1 posted 02-26-200111:36 AM devilmunchkin Member 3003 Posts Member since: 08-19-2000 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ you'rea little jesus fairy!!!! (fairy does not mean gay..) THROUGH ME YOU GO INTO PAIN THAT IS ETERNAL, THROUGH ME YOU GO AMONG PEOPLE LOST. JUSTICE MOVED MY EXALTED CREATOR: THE DIVINE POWER MADE ME, THE SUPREME WISDOM AND THE PRIMA LOVE. BEFORE ME ALL CREATED THINGS WERE ETERNAL, AND ETERNAL WILL LAST. ABANDON EVERY HOPE YOU WHO ENTER HERE. Dante's Inferno, Canto III posted 02-26-200102:37 PM Tu Es Petra Member 796 Posts Member since: 02-16-2001 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Rictus: It was me everybody!! I wanted to post the pic. It was for a joke though..........not to flame you Rictus. I have been trying to not get caught up in controversies lately. I don't know if you've noticed or agree but.. I have been trying. p.s. I apologize to Rictus and everyone on this thread for the profane childish arguements . Lord of Nazgul: I'm sorry I didn't recognize the movie quote you seem to think is so cute.I do not spend a whole lot of time in front of T.V. or movie screen.But for you to try to insinuate that I'm stupid because of this is well........... the people on this thread are smart enough to know.......I don't even have to say it. Are we still obssesed with trying to flame me Nazgul??? OKAY I AM STILL TRYING TO LEAVE THIS THREAD AND SITE I MIGHT ADD ON DECENT TERMS. I might come here occaisonly but not for controversy or any abuse.I need to find Chaos now and extend an olive branch. Rictus:I have said many uncalled for and out of line things to you my friend and I hope you can forgive me.The pic was just going to be an icebreaker with an apology attached. That was all it was intended for. BYE. ADOLF=SARCASTIC NEGATIVE INSTIGATING S.O.B. GANDHI=SERENE PEACEFUL PERSON WHO WOULD RATHER AVOID CONFLICT posted 02-26-200104:06 PM Lord of the Nazgúl Member 1369 Posts Member since: 02-02-2001 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ No, I'm just trying to say you shouldn't insult people if you don't know... ------------------ There is only one difference between a madman and me. I am not mad. - Salvador Dali BBS Poetry Club BBS Club for non-smoking teetotaling drug-free vegetarian celibate stoics: member #1 posted 02-26-200105:17 PM Tu Es Petra Member 796 Posts Member since: 02-16-2001 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AND I'M TRYING TO SAY LEAVE ME ALONE. WHAT PART OF THAT DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND ? I'm over you Nazgul.I really don't need your aprroval or friendship. But I do ask for you to............ LEAVE ME ALONE. ADOLF=SARCASTIC NEGATIVE INSTIGATING S.O.B. GANDHI=SERENE PEACEFUL PERSON WHO WOULD RATHER AVOID CONFLICT [This message was edited by ADOLF GANDHI on 02-26-2001 at 05:55 PM.] posted 02-26-200105:29 PM Lord of the Nazgúl Member 1369 Posts Member since: 02-02-2001 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Adolf, realize that I am not following you around, but rather defending myself against your attacks. As soon as you leave me alone, I will leave you alone. You had no idea that my quotation wasn't my own, so I explained that to you (as I would have anyone who called me something based on a quotation I had in my sig.). So, if you want me to leave you alone, leave me alone as well and stop bringing up points that I feel I must address so that you won't continue to have your wrong and unjustified thoughts... posted 02-26-200106:41 PM Tu Es Petra Member 796 Posts Member since: 02-16-2001 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ WHATEVER.........BYE BYE NAZGUL. ADOLF=SARCASTIC NEGATIVE INSTIGATING S.O.B. GANDHI=SERENE PEACEFUL PERSON WHO WOULD RATHER AVOID CONFLICT posted 02-26-200108:05 PM freegrace Member 945 Posts Member since: 10-31-2000 *gives a big cheer for Adolph and waves hello to everyone* ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Adolph...that was an awesome display of grace on your part. I am thankful that you chose to leave on good terms and apologize to Rictus. That really made my day. Grump...Thank you for the touching words. I really appreciate your thoughtfulness. Yes, I believe in being a channel for God's grace and love. My prayer is that I will reflect His love in a positive way. The verse I take this from is Ephesians 2:8-10, "8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; 9 not as a result of works, that no one should boast. 10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them." Yes, I believe true love is free and a gift and I hope to share the love I have received freely for others. In terms of your point of God, I don't see living for God as inherently selfish. I look at it this way (as described by John Piper in his book Desiring God). Suppose I came up to a girl and gave her a dozen roses for Valentines day and she said, "That was so sweet. I really love them. Why did you buy these for me?" Now imagine, that I said, "I did it because I had to" or "I did it for duty" or "I did it because it was the right thing to do." Now, most women would be pretty offended by those statements. Now imagine if I said, "I did it because nothing gives me greater joy than to honor and to cherish you." Now, in that statement I would be saying that I derive benefit from loving her and seeing her joy in my expression of that love. I believe the same is true in my relationship with God. Nothing gives me greater joy than to honor and cherish Him. On another note, Devilmunchkin does have a great smile doesn't she? Thanks for saying that. I appreciate it. Which brings me to my next friend...Devilmunchkin. The compliments were well deserved and I am encouraged to see that you saw the beauty of a good hair day. It is obvious that people appreciate your warm personality and the insight you bring to this thread and I'm glad to see it. Who cares what your parents say, they're psycho anyways. They must be to not appreciate a daughter like you. As I have said before, I love you as a little sister and I hope you see all the good that others see in yourself. Rictus...what's up my man? The picture gave me a great laugh. I appreciate it. Thanks for your kind words to Devilmunchkin. Very sincere. I really appreciate that thoughtfulness. Looking forward to reading about your thoughts. I hope you were as touched by Adolph's statement as I was. Lord of the Nazgul...What does your name mean? Thanks for your contributions. God bless you all and to all a good night (I don't mean to sound like Tiny Tim...LOL). His, Freegrace 2 Thes 2:16 "Now may our Lord Jesus Christ Himself and God our Father, who has loved us and given us eternal comfort and good hope by grace, 17 comfort and strengthen your hearts in every good work and word." "The reason true atheists (not your average "I-don't-like- what-mommy-and-daddy-say-so-I-hate-God" rebellious teen) are depressed is because atheism offers no hope, only proof. Proof of no hope." Mike Sorrow posted 02-26-200109:31 PM Grump Member 1967 Posts Member since: 01-11-2001 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ freegrace: thanks for your thanks. i agree re a-g, though you didn't ask my opinion: i have communicated with him in several ways over the past several weeks, and hope he's finding a way to be happier in the world. i much prefer when he writes not in caps because he always seems more thoughtful then, and more sincere, less hostile. one of these days i'm gonna start this thread from page 1.. but not tonight! good night, anyone who might see this.<ETH>1?4 ##I'm not afraid to admit that I masturbate club: member no. 648,294,024.## ## officially sick of sig files of all kinds##11 posted 02-26-200109:46 PM freegrace Member 945 Posts Member since: 10-31-2000 Good Night Grump ------------------------------------------------------------------------ I'm glad you see the true Adolph Gandhi. I have interacted with him several times and I consider him to be a very special person. I really do love him and think that he is a very thoughtful guy although sometimes he may not appear to be. Thanks for the nice words. I hope you enjoy the thread. It has been quite a labor of love. This is almost 600 posts and before that we had 200 and I think on the Was Jesus a Myth we had another 200 or so. It's almost 1000 posts in all and I have thoroughly enjoyed it. Thanks again for your contributions and feel free to always share your opinions on anything I write...Freegrace 2 Thes 2:16 "Now may our Lord Jesus Christ Himself and God our Father, who has loved us and given us eternal comfort and good hope by grace, 17 comfort and strengthen your hearts in every good work and word." "The reason true atheists (not your average "I-don't-like- what-mommy-and-daddy-say-so-I-hate-God" rebellious teen) are depressed is because atheism offers no hope, only proof. Proof of no hope." Mike Sorrow posted 02-26-200109:58 PM Lord of the Nazgúl Member 1369 Posts Member since: 02-02-2001 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Freegrace, it's my favorite character from my favorite book (Lord of the Rings)... posted 02-27-200112:21 AM Wang Doodles Member 4932 Posts Member since: 04-28-2000 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Fuck this thread. dress me up and make me your dying god <please> WAR Narcotics Member posted 02-27-200112:22 AM All times are PST . << next newest topic | next oldest topic >> | Page:Next Page | 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 |