Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 15:05:22 GMT

From: bossy@iname.com

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It makes no difference at all whether Nehru or Rajiv's ancecstors were Hindu, Parsi or Muslims. Nehru did one and perhaps only one genuine favor to India and made sure that all religious communities received equal participation in power sharing arrangement of India, unlike Pakistan.

Nehru was a megalomaniac dreamer who cared little for nitty gritty of things, and according to Khushwant Singh (his press secretary), was an accomplished liar. His chief fault was that he was heavily under the influence of Prof. Harold Laski, the communist professor at Oxford. His advisor VK Menon was also Laski's student and so was Prof. PC Mahalanobis, the economist who designed the planned input/output structure of Indian economy after independence so that "commanding heights" of economy are under public sector and set up the license/permit raj that pushed India to be one of the slowest growing economies for 45 years.

Now India needs deliverence from congress for atleast 20 years so that this organization is completely bereft of opportunist power seekers and becomes a lean and hungry opposition party.

bossy

In article <7qorle$jof$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,

milind kamble wrote:

hi ppl, this was fwded to me by a friend i thought it will be a interesting to you all.

n'joy

milind

Some thing very interesting. More explosive than Starr report. I do not know if this is true but chances are it is!!!!!!!!! A bit longish but really interseting to read

At the very beginning of his book, THE NEHRU DYNASTY, astrologer K.N.Rao mentions the names of Jawahar Lal's father and grandfather. Jawahar Lal's father was believed to be Moti Lal and Moti Lal's father was one Gangadhar Nehru. And we all know that Jawahar Lal's only daughter was Indira Priyadarshini Nehru; Kamala Nehru was her mother, who died in Switzerland of tuberculosis. She was totally against Indira's proposed marriage with Feroze. Why? No one tells us that.

Now, who is this Feroze? We are told by many that he was the son of the family grocer. The grocer supplied wines, etc. to Anand Bhavan, previously known as Ishrat Manzil, which once belonged to a Moslem lawyer named Mobarak Ali. Moti Lal was an employee of Mobarak Ali's.

What was the family grocer's name? One frequently hears that Rajiv Gandhi's grandfather was Pandit Nehru. But then we all know that everyone has two grandfathers, the paternal and the maternal grandfathers.

In fact, the paternal grandfather is deemed to be the more important grandfather in most societies. Why is it then no where we find Rajiv Gandhi's paternal grandfather's name? It appears that the reason is simply this. Rajiv Gandhi's paternal grandfather was a Moslem gentleman from the Junagadh area of Gujarat. He may even be remotely related to the Bhutto family! The Bhuttos' grandmother was a Hindu oman converted to Islam prior to her nikah with Bhuttos' grandfather.

That may have prompted Benazir Bhutto's good words about the dead Rajiv!

This Moslem grocer by the name of Nawab Khan, had married a Parsi woman after converting her to Islam. This is the source where from the myth of Rajiv's being a Parsi was derived. Rajiv's father Feroze was Feroze Khan before he married Indira, against Kamala Nehru's wishes.

There have been some discussions, only to fool the Hindu public of India, that Feroze's family name was Ghandy, often associated with Parsis and that this was changed to Gandhi, like the Mahatma's own name, sometime before his wedding with Indira,by an affidavit.

The fact of the matter is that (and this fact can be found in many documents) Indira was very lonely. Chased out of the Shantiniketan University by Gurudev Rabindranath himself for misdemeanor, the lonely girl was all by herself, while father Jawahar was busy with politics, pretty women and illicit sex; the mother was in hospital.

Feroze Khan, the grocer's son was then in England and he was quite sympathetic to Indira and soon enough she changed her religion, became a Moslem woman and married Feroze Khan in a London mosque, following the usual nikah ceremony. Jawahar was not happy; Kamala was dead already or dying. The news of this marriage eventually reached Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi (he was not a Mahatma yet) who too happened to be in London at the time.

Gandhi urgently called Nehru and practically ordered him to ask the young man to change his name from Khan to Gandhi. It had nothing to do with change of religion, from Islam to Hinduism for instance. It was just a case of a change of name by an affidavit. And so Feroze Khan became Feroze Gandhi.

The surprising thing is that the apostle of truth, the old man soon to be declared India's Mahatma and the 'father of the nation' didn't mention this game of his in the famous book, 'My Experiments with Truth'. Why?

When they returned to India after the nikah ceremony, a mock 'Vedic marriage' was instituted for public consumption. On this subject, writes M.O. Mathai (a longtime Private Secretary of Nehru) in his renowned (but now suppressed by the GOI) Reminiscences of the Nehru Age on page 94, second paragraph :

For some inexplicable reason, Nehru allowed the marriage to be performed according to Vedic rites in 1942. An inter-religious and inter-caste marriage under Vedic rites at that time was not valid in law. To be legal, it had to be a civil marriage. So, strictly speaking under the law, Indira was only a 'concubine' and her children are 'bastards'."

The fact is that a great number of Indian Moslems knew of Indira's change of religion, that she became a Moslem. That explains the apparent 'loyalty' of India's Moslems, from Abul Kalam Azad to Rafi Ahmed Kidwai to Zakir Hussain and the rest to the Nehrus. It is not so important to determine what was her Moslem name. Was it'Maimuna or Meherunnisa' or 'Ayesha Sultana'? It does not matter.

She never used that name in public almost like Sharmila Tagore, who although a Moslem woman having changed her religion to Islam, never uses her Moslem name in public. This is of course to keep the preponderant Hindu public in the dark and nothing else.

Saudi invitation to Indira to visit the Kaaba was cleverly suppressed for fear of exciting Hindu suspicions. Those who try to keep tabs on our leaders in spite of all the suppressions and deliberate misinformation, are aware of the fact that the second son of Indira (or Mrs. Feroze Khan) known as Sanjay Gandhi was not the son of Feroze.

He was the son of another Moslem gentleman, Mohammad Yunus. In accordance with M.O. Mathai's account, Sanjay too was a 'bastard' and he had almost ruled us, if not the Almighty had been kind enough to remove him in almost a surgical operation of a plane accident brought on by Sanjay himself. Here, in passing, we might mention that the second son of Indira's name was originally Sanjiv.

It rhymed with Rajiv, the elder brother's name. It was changed to Sanjay when he was arrested by the British police in England and his passport impounded, for having stolen a car. Krishna Menon was then India's High Commissioner in London. He offered to issue another passport to the felon who changed his name to Sanjay.

Incidentally, Sanjay's marriage with the Sikh girl Menaka (now they call her Maneka for the family of bastard found the name of Indra's court dancer rather offensive!) took place quite surprisingly in Mohammad Yunus' house in New Delhi. And the marriage with Menaka was not so ordinary either.

Sanjay was notorious in getting unwed young women pregnant. Menaka too was rendered pregnant by Sanjay. It was then that her father, Colonel Anand, threatened Sanjay with dire consequences if he did not marry her daughter. And that did the trick. Sanjay married Menaka. It was widely reported in Delhi at the time that Mohammad Yunus was unhappy at the marriage of Sanjay with Menaka; apparently he had wanted to get him married with a Moslem girl of his choice. Were the Gandhis enraged with the Sikhs? We would never know!

It was Mohammad Yunus who cried the most when Sanjay died in the plane accident. In Yunus' book, 'Persons, Passions & Politics' one discovers that baby Sanjay had been circumcised following Islamic custom, although the reason stated was phimosis.

{Here we need to digress a little from the immediate subject of interest. This is necessary because otherwise we may portrait Indira as the only one dumping bastards on India's docile and unquestioning Hindu population. Nehru was no less a player in producing bastards. At least one case is very graphically described by our Catholic friend M.O. Mathai in his "Reminiscences of the Nehru Age", page 206.

Mathai writes:

"In the autumn of 1948 (India became free in 1947 and a great deal of work needed to be done) a young woman from Benares arrived in New Delhi as a sanyasini named Shraddha Mata (an assumed and not a real name). She was a Sanskrit scholar well versed in ancient Indian scriptures and mythology. People, including MPs, thronged to her to hear her discourses. One day S.D. Upadhyaya, Nehru's old employee, brought a letter in Hindi from Shraddha Mata about whom he spoke very highly. Nehru gave her an interview in the PM's house.

As she departed, I noticed (Mathai is speaking here) that she was young, shapely and beautiful. Meetings with her became rather frequent, mostly after Nehru finished his work at night. During one of Nehru's visits to Lucknow, Shraddha Mata turned up there, and Upadhyaya brought a letter from her as usual. Nehru sent her the reply; and she visited Nehru at midnight...

"Suddenly Shraddha Mata disappeared. In November 1949 a convent in Bangalore sent a decent looking person to Delhi with a bundle of letters. He said that a young woman from northern India arrived at the convent a few months ago and gave birth to a baby boy.

She refused to divulge her name or give any particulars about herself.

She left the convent as soon as she was well enough to move out but left the child behind. She however forgot to take with her a small cloth bundle in which, among other things, several letters in Hindi were found. The Mother Superior, who was a foreigner, had the letters examined and was told they were from the Prime Minister. The person who brought the letters surrendered them...

"I made discreet inquiries repeatedly about the boy but failed to get a clue about his whereabouts. Convents in such matters are extremely tightlipped and secretive. Had I succeeded in locating the boy, I would have adopted him. He must have grown up as a Catholic Christian blissfully ignorant of who his father was."

Well, although Nehru did not have the pleasure of knowing his own Catholic son he did bestow a Catholic grandson and a granddaughter to people of India and without their consent, while placing himself in a very vulnerable position vis the Vatican.

Coming back to Rajiv Rattan Brijesh Nehru Gandhi, we all know now that he changed his so called Parsi religion to become a Catholic to marry Sania Maino of Turin, Italy. His daughter's name is Bianca and son's name is Raul. Quite cleverly the same names are presented to the people of India as Priyanka and Rahul. What is amazing is the extent of our people's ignorance in such matters.

One of our friends was in Manila within a few months of Rajiv's becoming Roberto. No one, but no one, in India (other than Indira Gandhi's kitchen cabinet) knew of this change of Rajiv's religion but the taxi- driver who was driving our friend to the airport, when he came to know that his passenger was from India, boasted that India's future prime minister was going to be a Catholic and then, the taxi driver forecast, the whole of India will become Catholic.

How did the taxi-driver know? His church elders told him. It was many months after that conversation, the Pope did visit India just after Rajiv had softened the Hindus by talking of Ganga- cleaning. Ganga is still as dirty as ever but then who is watching? And our press reporters are still twirling their thumbs and doing nothing but covering up the entire country under a dark veil, from Bhola (on which Taslima Nasrin even wrote a full fledged book, Lajja)in Bangladesh to the Bofors case.

Then Indira was assassinated for desecrating the Harimandir Sahib Temple. There are people who said at the time that the first bullets came from the barrel of Sonia's pistol. Be that as it may, the first press conference that Rajiv Gandhi gave in London after having been installed as the prime minister of India by Zail Singh, who would do anything, even sweep the floors, for 'Biwiji' (that is how he used to call Indira Gandhi), was very informative. In his press conference, as the new prime minister of India, Rajiv boasted that he was NOT a Hindu but a Parsi.

Mind you, he had been a Catholic many years BEFORE that. And speaking of the Parsi religion, he had no Parsi ancestor at all, the mother having had embraced Islam. However, this bluff of Rajiv's was caught by many at the time. The reason of course is that Rajiv has never been too smart. How smart can a grocer's son be? It is the western press that waged a blitz of misinformation on behalf of Rajiv for his catholic connection.

From the New York Times to the Los Angeles Times and the Washington Post, the big guns raised Rajiv to heaven. The children's encyclopedias recorded that Rajiv was a qualified Mechanical Engineer from the revered University of Cambridge. No doubt US kids are among the most uninformed in the world today! The reality is that in all three years of his tenure at that University Rajiv had not passed a single examination. He had therefore to leave Cambridge without a certificate. But the whole of India was told that here was a brilliant Cantab who might someday become India's prime minister.

Sonia too had the same benevolent treatment. She was stated to be a student in Cambridge. Such a description is calculated to mislead Indians. She was a student in Cambridge all right but not of the University of Cambridge but of one of those fly by night language schools where foreign students come to learn English. Sonia was working as an 'au pair' girl in Cambridge and trying to learn English at the same time.

We have been presented many faces of Rajiv Gandhi. From Mr. Clean to the Bofors thief and then a heartless moron who had unleashed the Indian army to gun down our kinsmen, the Tamils of Ceylon while sending our troops to support the Moslem ruler of Maldive Islands.

Naturally, Mr. Clean created a great number of enemies. The 'popular' prime minister needed personal protection which cost the poor country 2 crores of rupees a day! He was bleeding the country white!

In due course, Rajiv was assassinated by a Tamil lady of Catholic faith. This part concerning the religion of Subha, the assassin woman, has been kept hidden from the public. And surprise of surprises, Rajiv was even cremated in full view of New Delhi's public although there was some earth-strewing after the fire died down, as a symbolic 'burial' of the Catholic man. It is now evident from Mr. Rao's new book that there were plans to turn Rajiv into the reincarnation of the Shah Behram of Persia.

In chapter XXIII titled RAJIV THE EMPEROR OF IRAN DIES a 'patri' or paper with baby Rajiv's horoscope is described by astrologer Rao. Indira Gandhi writes to her father that one of her aunts had heard from some Parsis that it was written in their ancient book that a Hindu of high family (high family?) would marry a Parsi and their son would do great things - religious reform and so on. That later Indira's mother-in-law (who had turned Moslem after having abandoned the Parsi religion to marry Nawab Khan) came, in a great state of excitement. She had also heard that Rajiv was the reincarnation of the Shah Behram of Persia.

Does it appear somewhat less difficult now to understand why Indira desecrated the revered Hari Mandir Sahib? Or, why she took such a long time to hit back at Pakistan in what is now known as Islamic Bangladesh, only after millions of Hindus had already been decimated there? And as for Jawahar Lal and his bombing of Bihar's Hindu population with Indian Air Force planes in the wake of Noakhali's pogrom of Hindus, we will talk about that later. If Indira acted her part because of her secretly adopted 'kafir-hating' religion of Islam, could it be much different in the case of Nehru....

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I already replied to Milind Kamble's piece. Professor Dr. Balwant Dixit of University of Pittsburgh, PA had similarly expressed his opinion, which I incorporated in mine. Bossy cleverly skirted that reply and attached her commentary to the original Milind Kamble piece.

My dear Milind,

For heaven's sake try to be informative. If you were fascinated with the story, which you claim to have received from a friend, I doubt if that can be properly attested to. However, not being smart yourself, your reluctance to spell common English words indicates such innate problem, you could have laid down the source and forgiven for the smut.

Nehru family has been progressive, western educated and rich. Among the society of that time of his father's caliber, there was no distinction between equal but religiously different friends of the family. Nehru's peccadilloes are chronicled but having fathered a Catholic son is bit too glamorous to believe.

Mahatma Gandhi's admonitions were not related to Indira's marriage but that of Jawaharlal's sister. Some clever but uninformed person has mixed events, which may be true and others which bear no historic truthfulness in making this juicy stuff.

The book from which excerpts are taken is not available for public inspection, if as the writer of the story claims it is banned. Intellectual property such as a book could be banned in one country but can be published in another where there is no such need to ban any book.

You may have been duped by your adversary, claiming to be your friend. It is time to name that person and his whereabouts so that the law could chase him/her down for wholesale defamation of a notable family.

Inferences drawn with tidbits strewn across is a sure sign that the author of the article has not much knowledge of Nehru family, the history of India or the normal journalistic etiquette. He spins his yarn based on hearsay evidence which he alone is in possession.

I offer this person one hundred dollars, a mere token to make it public, the source, not himself, the material he quotes from and I shall buy the rights to his book, cash on the barrel. I never liked Indira Gandhi and I don't have to defend both Sanjay Gandhi, a terrible womanizer and a nincompoop, Rajiv Gandhi.

What I want to do is make all parties concerned aware of the purposeful vilification of the entire family for the sake of impending election where things such as this article may make the difference. There is not sufficient time to check the facts and in matters as complex as these the facts may never be cleared by a common person on the street.

However, as an incendiary device, it may achieve its purpose and further verification need do nothing more than academic discussion of little or no value. Be a brave man and spill your guts. Truthful disclosure at right point may exonerate your ignorance.

Sid

bdixit wrote:

If one goes back and tries to trace family history of every individual in India, you will find that almost 99.9 % of them were Hindus, not Muslims, nor Buddhists, not Jains, not Christians not etc. Many Hindus have Muslim blood in them, Christian blood in them etc. Even in practice today, many Christians I know, worship Tulsi, and name their children by using names that are typical Hindu, such as Gopal, Asha etc. Some of the Muslims I know worship Saraswati, sing Hindu bhajans in praise of Lord Shiv and Krishna, name their children with Hindu names. All these religion based arguments is GARBAGE. and this type of information is meaningless in these days when a person should be evaluated as what his or her abilities are.

.. Balwant Dixit

-- Balwant N. Dixit * University of Pittsburgh * 541-2 Salk Hall * Pittsburgh, PA 15261 * Tel No:(412) 648-8582 * FAX No:(412) 648-8475

Bossy was apparently scrambling to safety, already. She found a fellow feces fascist who had poured his heart and soul on my another piece where I poured boiling hot oil on Madhav Sadashiv Golwalkar's youknowwhat. Actually Sardar Vallabhbhai Patel, the first home minister of India did it long time ago, I just refered to a published news report.