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Election 99. Rackets, Rockets, Pickets, and Pick Pockets
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Back to the future. Blast from the past. Ballots are cast.
Saffron may rise on the mast at last.
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Professor Dr. Yashwant Malaiya quoted following published report from noted Indian Newspaper to start discussion on the aspect of English language cramping the life out of local language publications. He chose some highly provocative expressions from the quoted text as title. His object is not known as he did not make his personal comment on the op-ed piece. It so appears that he agreed with the sentiments of the writer.
Game one, ball one.
Indian literacy rises, language diversity falls.
By Rod Sandeen, World Center
NEW DELHI, India - Increasing literacy and "linguistic colonialism" threaten to reshape the media diversity landscape in India, two leading editors said recently.
"As more and more Indians send their children to English schools and the local languages get the least importance in the curriculum, fewer children will have the motivation to do any reading in their mother tongue," said Mammem Mathew, editor and managing director of the Malayam-language Malayala Manorama, India's largest newspaper. "The greatest challenge for Indian newspapers in the next century will come from the slow march of linguistic colonialism."
The editor of the nation's largest English-language newspaper, Shekhar Gupta of The Indian Express, said that as literacy increases from its 52% level, language diversity will decrease. "People who become more literate ... their children will choose a more widely spoken language." But he said it could be English or it could be Hindi, which is the dominant of the 18 languages officially recognized in the constitution.
Diversity, a source of India's strength and pride, is reflected
throughout the country in language, religion, skin color and social and economic status. India's 4,700 daily newspapers are printed in more than 100 languages and dialects.
"I don't think there is a country in the world that's more diverse than India," said Jack Maxwell Hamilton, dean of the Manship School of Mass Communication at Louisiana State University and an author of books and articles on the Third World. He was the moderator of "Media of Many Languages: Challenges Covering India's Diversity." The discussion was part of The Freedom Forum conference, "Media at the Millennium," which also will be held in Africa, Central America and Europe later this year.
The Urdu-language press is the third-largest after Hindi and English. The Urdu press mostly serves Muslims, who make up just under 20% of Indian population. Hindu-owned newspapers, which account for 36% of all newspaper circulation in India, often take a negative view of minorities, including Muslims, according to the United States
Information Service in New Delhi.
English-language newspapers claim about 17% of the total newspaper circulation in the country. They are acknowledged as the medium that influences the decision-makers in society and government.
But in recent years, the non-English press, or the "vernacular" press, has been growing much faster than the English press. If the English press is said to influence the policy makers, the vernacular press is said to influence public opinion.
The same is true in television, said Nalini Singh, executive producer and managing director of TVLive, which produces news programs for state-owned television. The coming of cable and satellite to India in the last nine years has triggered explosive growth in television. "The greatest growth has taken place in non-English-language (programming)," she said.
The English-language and the vernacular media need each other, Gupta said. "Most people in small towns and villages converse in their own languages. So they understand the media in their languages." If they are to understand an issue, it must be reported in the local language. If government needs to know about the local issues, the story must be published in English. "So unless you combine the two, you never make impact," he said.
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From Freedom Forum
I basically agree with the basic tenets of Yashwant's thesis that local languages in India are being neglected for the sake of English. The idea is to find among the educated and alert readers a sense as to what is happening in the good old India. Most all internet newsgroups are populated with high caste Hindus, mostly Brahmins with the most education, including but not limited tocollege degrees, graduate and post-graduate degrees, doctoral and post-doctoral level of education. Professor Dr. Yashwant Malaiya is one example. Highly visible and active, not necessarily pro-active in thinking and writing.
Professor Dr. Yashwant Malaiya tries to put up a good defence as he progresses in this conversation between two comrades. The fun starts as third parties butt in with adequate and inadequate moral support to Yashwant's thesis or for that matter to cut my offensive to size. The shape of this discussion changes as the main proponent and the others tackle the peripherial issues rather than deal with the main theme.
My dear Yashwant,
Does it hurt you terribly to make two cents' worth of comment on the excellent piece? Shit shoveling has its limit, not that I am accusing you of RSS kind shit shoveling, maybe, watered down version.
As you are well aware that we two are brothers of the same feathers, that means bird-brothers, make it bird brain brothers, change it to bird shit brothers. Your Hindi/Hindu angle is forgiven, maybe some other time but the need to stop the wholesale erosion of the national treasures at the hands of computer coolie crowd is appalling.
I am not saying abandoning one's native, otherwise called mother tongue is the best way to succeed in the material world. All the previous glorious generations' leaders had multi lingual expertise Hindus not only spoke the so called foreign languages, Sanskrit must be such as a language of the invading Aryan white trash marauders, Farsi, Turkish, French, Dutch, Portuguese, Arabic, Chinese, not to forget English but they were at ease with dozens of desi dialects.
What patriotism has to do with a language is something I have never understood. You cowbeltwallahs have almost obliterated Urdu by artificially uprooting the current and common Turkish, Arabic and Farsi terminology and roots. Shame on you.
Be that as it may, the alarming rate with which native spoken languages are being destroyed should make Hinduttvawallas' chaddis saffron. No one single person or agency is responsible for this horrible massacre of ancient Indian dialects and major languages. It is a trend and as all the trends go it is going much faster to my taste.
I am of the opinion that as long as Hindi/Hindu ruffians groan and moan about losing ground to the foreign languages, customs, fashions and trends, why don't you guys cut down on your desi jingoism and recognize the southern languages for what they are? I have not seen, neither I have heard a case of saffron snake from cow belt taking trouble to have smattering skills in southern languages. The government officials who shift to all over India, communicate in English. The southern fella, however, makes a move on Hindi and competes with holy Hindi Hallelujahwallahs for a pick of the top posts.
Don't you get it Yashwant that what is good for the goose is equally good for the gander? Stop messing around with Urdu. Urdu is the most accepted version, the most universal in all the Indian states as against Sanskritized monster called Hindi. I would go as far as to say that saffron Hindi exists only in their minds not recognized, nor spoken in the market places of Delhi and Lucknow, forget about Bombay, they have cruelly killed both Urdu and Hindi. Sanskrit is being a monster so it makes sense why Hindi of government kind cannot be?
Have you ever tried to make sense of a genuine government document written by bada babus of Delhi's power houses? I bet you need a Sanskrit dictionary, English dictionary Swahili dictionary, Martian dictionary, Gobbldygookian dictionary to make sense. This is because I have no problem with all these languages, Martians is my pet language. What happens to a lowly person who knows sufficient Hindi but cannot claim to be pundit in Sanskrit or English? You have a cadre of interpreters, translators and spin doctors to make that poor clod's life miserable, not to forget lawyers and such.
The population rise is so alarming that it frightens me. One thing I admit that there are sufficient numbers available for each minor language and each unheard dialect to survive commercially, newspapers, magazines, books and all. May there be some wisdom and some kindness in the hearts of rolly polly politicians to support the growth of myriad of native languages. If they fail this time many cultural traditions would be wiped out before you can say your Hinduttva mantra.
Sid
yashwant@my-deja.com wrote:
Sid Harth < gautamasiddarth@malexcite.com > wrote:
> What patriotism has to do with a language is something I have
> never understood. You cowbeltwallahs have almost obliterated Urdu
> by artificially uprooting the current and common Turkish, Arabic and
> Farsi terminology and roots. Shame on you.
You are implying that Hindi is constructed by replacing Farsi, Arabic & Turkish words from Urdu.
In India today, many young men have grown up with minimal exposure to Kabir, Khusro, Jayasi and Raidas who used Sanskrit words just as literary Hindi uses today, with only a few words from farsi etc. These people, educated in English, have been told that Hindi is an artifical language, recently constructed and is without value, and thus their dependence on English as the only language is justified.
It was Wali, the Deccani (1667-1707) who started writing poetry in the local language but with large number of Farsi words. It was a transition from Farsi, the literary language of the elites of Delhi. Wali Deccany is called the Chaucer of Urdu poetry.
The word Hindi was used the describe the language of Hind. Word Urdu did not come into use until 1645 and quite a few of the Urdu poets called their language Hindi. All through this time, Hindi with Sankrit words continued to be used. It was around 1850, that the word Hindi was dropped for what is called Urdu.
Amir Khusro's writings are termed Urdu. Look at his work that you can find on the web, and then tell me it is not Hindi and that he should not have used Sanskrit words.
Hindi, as spoken on Radio, is widely understood in India by ordinary people, although I understand that young urban English-speaking elite have some problem following it.
Hindi is world's second or third most spoken language, with a rich history. Please do not work to deny it its rightful place in the world. India has many great languages. They deserve to florish. The propaganda declaring them to be inferior ought to stop.
Yashwant
Mo < 100336.3631@compuserve.com >
> Urdu is the most accepted version, the most universal in all the Indian states as against Sanskritized monster called Hindi. I would go as far as to say that saffron Hindi exists only in their minds not recognized, nor spoken in the market palces of Delhi and Lucknow, forget about Bombay, they have cruelly killed both Urdu and Hindi.<
Good points . Tamil should be one of the link languages
along with Hindi/Urdu and English..
V.C.Vijayaraghavan < vijay@vossnet.co.uk >
yashwant@my-deja.com wrote:
Sid Harth < bakula@my-deja.com > wrote:
The literature in Hindi, as well as in any major languages does not depend any more on royal patronage. The market place determines the > > form and function of any language.
Royal patronage makes an enormous difference.
Royal ( or shall we shall say State partonage, in these days of democracy) patronage can make an enormous difference by way of giving prestige to some ossified forms of expressions and language and suppressing a street language of the people, which can be more expressive and preventing common idioms from being given literary expression
My dear Yashwant,
Very weak defense. You are doing well, product of English speaking rulers? The linguistic division of India was a bad idea and rot started under that system. Cowbeltwallahs such as yourself ditched English for a phony baloney, concocted Sanskritized version of Urdu. They are bastardizing queen's English by the same jingoistic rule.
The so-called "Hinglish, "Maringlish, "Kanninglish, " Taminglish," Benginglish," and host of native languages is a testimony of people making up a language as they go, in the market place rather than in the bureaucratic committees set up to make the government's version of that language as a standard. No one cares for such domineering attitude of "maabaap sarkar," butting in where their butt heads are least welcome.
The state, as in government, elected by the people should care for the people, the source of power under the democratic form of government. India is said to have one such constitutionally secure democracy. I disagree but that is for later. People speak what they feel like and get their job done. Bombay, filmy, Bollywood Hindi is so strong that north Indians find it convenient to leave their pure Hindi language back home and speak in Bollindi instead.
The Times of India came with their Hindi version called Navabharat Times. The initial editorial staff must be recruited from the cowbeltwallahs. All is fine and dandy as long as ad space was sold to bear the cost of production. No ads of any kind. The Advertising world had to hire brother-in-laws of the editors and Hindi professors to do the translations of English advertising copy. It came so outrageous that people had to find the same professors to explain what they were talking about. Horrible is the word but I would say I did not see any parallel.
Kanhaiyalal (Kanu) Munshi ran a Hinduttva racket with his 'Bharatiya Vidya Bhavan,' at Chowpaty, Bombay. College, Book publishing, research, public hall, and all. The same case in his little fiefdom. The Kashi Brahmins ran Readers Digest like Navanit. The stories and other tidbits came from holy Hindu Kashi and not from Dharavi, the worse slum of Bombay. It looked nice but had constant problem with readership. He should have imported some Benares Hindu University's chaddiwallahs to buy and read those monsters.
The mushrooming industry in Marathi, however did not ask or receive any state or Kanu Munshi like patronage. Marathis are poor people and not much clout either. Couple of Marathi newspapers owned and operated by Marwari industrialists in their abandoned cotton mills, fewer weeklies and couple, three Marathi magazines at the time of independence.
That sucker, publishing industry, is growing like wild cactus with no end in sight. The reason is simple. Many made a go and vanished from the radar. Many more survived in the niche market. The popular ones became tigers bringing the whiz bang technology, color and slick art paper for cover as well as inside pages.
What is the key to their success? The market savvy. What market demanded, these publications provided with pomp and panache of a royal procession. Your historical proof is hysterical. The history is not a dead animal like Sanskrit. It regenerates, takes different form and adjusts to the day, nay, hour and minute of the day. Too much future shock for cowbeltwallahs logic of state sponsorship, I guess.
The book publication in Maharashtra is so robust that it may one day surpass the traditionally strong local markets such as Bengal, the land of armchair pundits, commies and poets galore, literature freaks. Who buys all that junk? It is mostly junk but people must be served not served heavy handed concocted linguistic material to chew. Only chew as they cannot swallow and digest the chaste cowbeltwallahs standard Hindi.
Most all Sanskrit publications, just books and religious material used to be printed and sold by banias with Brahmins leaning heavily on their susceptibilities. Maharaja Sayajirao Gaekwar, a noble prince established such publishing and research house in Baroda, Gujarat. Some fancy and innovative products were produced with meticulous details, no typos of any kind. I picked up whatever copies they had at the publishers prices. It means for few rupees, less than ten a piece as the books were being destroyed by elements and cost of holding them was getting out of hand.
Whereas book publishers of other Sanskrit titles like Motilal Banarasidas were putting new stickers on the old prices and charging twice to four times the publisher's price. The marketing savvy of bunch of Jains, no Hindus, is what is keeping Sanskrit publishing humming. The Delhi based publishers have opened up branches all over India, including south India and doing roaring business.
Demand coupled with marketing genius is what makes Sanskrit books vanish from the book selves, not state sponsored, Murli Manohar Joshi like shameless racket. Gujarati is still smarting from this phenomena as the trading community cares less for bunch of stuff which does not add to their "tijorii," strong boxes. Gujaratis have both capital and marketing savvy but no market for Gujarati published material.
Mumbai Samachar a premier Gujarati daily was ran by Parsi, not Gujarati bania. Free Press was Gujarati affair and they had insignificant Gujarati daily as well as Marathi daily coming out. No ad revenue and no readership worth the name. Sindhis have tons of money but cannot run a decent publishing house. One rag tag publication comes out, edited by one Advani, who claimed to me that Lal Kishen Advani was his brother runs a one man show and with the help of volunteers and older ladies pulling makes a go of what he calls the major Sindhi paper. Pathetic.
Yashwant, do you mean to say that in these examples I gave the state should fork over people's money, tax money so that Advani can have an empire but no subjects? Gujjubhais may have international racket at the cost of famished millions? What is wrong with you bubba? I hope you did not ask for neither receive state sponsorship and yet managed to shine and do something that makes the difference, little short in my estimation but not bad.
Brahmins lust for power makes them battery powered bunnies, I said that somewhere. The battery power is gone and so would be Brahmins tom tomming idiotic march to the glory. Throw that RSS shit from your briefcase, you certainly don't need it. Give it to Kishore Joshi, he cannot seem to have enough of it. You are a smart man and answers that you seek are not in government safe boxes, they are in your hands.
The world diamond industry dealing with precious stones does not need government handouts, they don't ask for it. They manage. International oil cartel manages without state subsidies. They react to market forces, albeit with some crazy conniving and conspiring against the United States of America and Russia two of the largest producers.
Stop begging. Beggars are no choosers. If you get some amount of state support it would not be sufficient. The state has made efforts in promoting quality literature by their awards. Rich and influential sethias have followed suit. The idea is to selectively prop the best authors and publisher thereby stimulating the readership. Bollywood Filmfare awards, after Hollywood Oscars have become a cash cow. More awards, more publicity, more idiots rushing to see what has been ballyhooed in the media. The right way of doing things, not your way.
If you have Hindi books that you loved, read from cover to cover and keep on your fireplace mantle as a decorative objects, give them away to your best friends who did not read them. No loss to you no gain to the friends. It is highly likely that one out of ten may find the material so enthralling that he may go and buy his own copies. The readership must be increased not the state support. Can you do it my brother or cry instead?
Sid Harth..."Mothers know when to wean their babies as mother's milk cannot sustain the babies forever."
yashwant < yashwant@my-deja.com>
Sid Harth < bakula@my-deja.com > wrote:
> The literature in Hindi, as well as in any major languages does not
> depend any more on royal patronage. The market place determines the > form and function of any language.
Royal patronage makes an enormous difference.
The persian language was transformed when Persia was conquered by Arabs. Simhal arose in Srilanka because the kings there were from north India. Prakrit became common in India when the kingdoms of Magadh were powerful, to be replaced by Sanskrit when rulers of Gandhar became influential. Urdu arose under the very shadow of the Red Fort of the Moghul Padishahs. Hebrew was revived when state of Israel was established. Turkish is the language of Turkey because the people there were conquered by the Turks (from Turkistan). English is the major language in world today only because the English ruled many regions in the world. Why are the governent-run Indian language schools neglected? Because the English-speaking rulers don't send their kids there. Why should they care?
Yashwant
My dear Yashwant,
You know in your heart that I agree with you one hundred percent that native Indian languages are sturdy enough to withstand the pressure of English. Call it anything, Hindu, Hindustani or Urdu, the language is developing at faster pace than in the good old days of Amirs, Nabobs, Sehenshahas and their cadre of pundits and poets.
The literature in Hindi, as well as in any major languages does not depend any more on royal patronage. The market place determines the form and function of any language. To wit, the case of English gobbling all new terminology which did not exist as newer and newer amazing things pop up in the world.
Computer itself has created thousands freshly minted words. No one determines the form of these words, the computer nerd decide them. As the acceptance grows or gravitates around the most popular terms they stick and the weaker ones vanish in the dust bin, sort of "killfiled."
You, Yashwant, have denied me proper answer to the charge that "cowbeltwallahs," have created this Sanskritized monster and their reticence in accepting south Indian languages as equally robust partners in Indian linguistic arean.
You have also not explained the constant hatred of chaddiwallahs for terms that originate in foreign languages. What difference it makes for you jingoistic if the TV you are watching showing great epic Ramayana is made in Japan, America or Taiwan? You still enjoy the western whizbang technology and appreciate local legends.
Putging of foreign word by Savarkar made him look like partisan with paltry wisdom.
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