11 marbles
cooldar
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posted 06-08-99 10:38 PM PT (US)
Hello,
I need some help solving a puzzle.
there are 11 marbles on the floor. 1 of the 11 marbles is either heavier or lighter than the rest of the marbles. find that marble with 3 tries using a balance and determine whether it is lighter or heavier than the rest of the marbles. thanx
Scottie
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posted 06-10-99 12:01 AM PT (US)
It would not be difficult if you leave one marble aside each time. It is to make the number of marble on each side of the balance equal. Then the remaining part ma... all up to you la...... :)

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Give yourself more confidence, I am sure you can do it! ~~

wuji
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posted 06-10-99 7:56 AM PT (US)
Give yourself more confidence, I am sure you can do it!

Oh, man! Did you have to mention that word?!^_^
Xiren
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posted 06-10-99 9:08 AM PT (US)
Now my confidence level is as low as wuji's. ^_^

It would not be difficult if you leave one marble aside each
time. It is to make the number of marble on each side of the
balance equal. Then the remaining part ma... all up to you
la...... :)

Call me stupid, but I am not sure what you meant.
I think the most difficult part is: 3 tries
and you didn't seem to say how that was to be done.

Xiren
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posted 06-10-99 6:33 PM PT (US)
1. Split them into 3 groups {1,2,3,4}, {5,6,7,8} and {9,10,11}.

2. Balance {1,2,3,4} and {5,6,7,8}. If balanced: step 3, else: step 6.

3. It means one of {9, 10, 11} is different. Balance 9, 10. If balanced: step 4, else: step 5.

4. It means 11 is different. Just balance it with any one, and you'll know whether it's lighter or heavier.

5. Either 9 or 10 is different, balance 9 with 11; if balanced, 10 is different, otherwise 9 is different. Based on step 3, you know whether the different one is heavier or lighter.

6. The different one is in either {1,2,3,4} or {5,6,7,8}. Let's assume {1,2,3,4} is heavier than {5,6,7,8}. Remove 1 (potentially heavier), and 5,6 (potentially lighter), switch 2 and 7, then add 9 into the second group. Now we have {3,4,7} and {2,8,9}. Balance them again. If balanced: step 7, else step 8.

7. It means either 1 is heavier or one of {5,6} is lighter. Balance 5 and 6. If balanced, 1 is heavier, otherwise, whichever lighter is the one.

8. If {3,4,7} > {2,8,9}, it means that either one of {3,4} is heavier, or 8 is lighter. Balance 3 and 4. If balanced, 8 is lighter, otherwise whichever heavier is the one. If {3,4,7} < {2,8,9}, it means that either 7 is lighter or 2 is heavier. Balance 7 with 3 (or any regular one). If balanced, 2 is heavier, otherwise 7 is lighter.

The same steps from 6 to 8 can be applied, if {1,2,3,4} is lighter than {5,6,7,8}.

Scottie
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posted 06-10-99 6:56 PM PT (US)
Oh, sorry guys, you are right and i am wrong.
Using my method can't solve this problem. This method can be used only when we know "that marble" is whether heavier or lighter than the others.

So dear cooldar, i think i can't help lu... sorry... :(
by the way, what does your word "balance" mean? is it a lever or a weighing machine with reading (balance scale)?

Scottie
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posted 06-10-99 7:26 PM PT (US)
Dear Xiren,

拜服..... :)


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