Two Ethical Questions
YCP
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posted 10-26-99 11:08 AM PT (US)
Q1: If you knew a woman who was pregnant, who had 8 kids already, three who were deaf, two who were blind, one mentally retarded, and she had syphilis; would you recommend that she have an abortion? Read the next question before scrolling down to the answer of this one.



Q2: It is time to elect the world leader, and your vote counts. Here are the facts about the three leading candidates:

Candidate A
Associates with crooked politicians, and consults with astrologists. He's had two mistresses. He also chain smokes and drinks 8 to 10 martinis a day.

Candidate B
He was kicked out of office twice, sleeps until noon, used opium in college and drinks a quart of whisky every evening.

Candidate C
He is a decorated war hero. He's a vegetarian, doesn't smoke, drinks an occasional beer and hasn't had any extramarital affairs.

Which of these candidates would be your choice?



Decide first, no peeking, then scroll down for the answer.
YCP
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posted 10-26-99 11:11 AM PT (US)

No peeking,
Please!


YCP
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posted 10-26-99 11:11 AM PT (US)









Candidate A is Franklin D. Roosevelt
Candidate B is Winston Churchill
Candidate C is Adolph Hitler

And by the way, answer to the abortion question - if you said yes, you just killed Beethoven.

wuji
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posted 10-26-99 10:46 PM PT (US)
OK, so I guess I saved Beethoven and elected Churchill.
blueberry
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posted 10-27-99 10:59 AM PT (US)
Me too :-) From my perspective, candidate B is just fine....

YCP:
According to what I know, Beethoven's mother, before marrying his father, was widowed by a prior marriage; and Beethoven was the second child born to her and his father. I'm just wondering whether my info is fallacious or you left it out intentionally..

aries44
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posted 10-28-99 2:49 AM PT (US)
可不可以找人把問題翻譯出來??
好些英文我看不明白, 一頭霧水的.
YCP
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posted 10-28-99 5:27 PM PT (US)
對不起,老朽沒有時間為閣下翻譯,最多只能為閣
下解釋看不明白的地方。希望另有高人援手。

佘老頭

xph
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posted 10-28-99 7:08 PM PT (US)
I'd vote for Candidate C, seems like the only choice.

Yes, I'd recommend her having an abortion.

xph
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posted 10-28-99 7:17 PM PT (US)
What???

不公平啊~
希特勒是專制, 不會辦選舉.
貝多芬的時代還沒優生學吶...

ChBjo
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posted 10-28-99 7:24 PM PT (US)
虱目魚:

難道你不知道說有心機的人為達到目的前,
是不會讓自己有任何把柄的
ChBjo
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posted 10-28-99 7:26 PM PT (US)
另外, 就算之前的一直失敗, 多嘗試一點
總會有成功的 一天
(雖說這番話用在生寶寶上有點........殘酷)
xph
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posted 10-28-99 7:30 PM PT (US)
虱目魚手癢, 把它翻成中文錯誤的地方還請指正.

題一: 一位孕婦已生了八胎, 其中三個耳聾, 兩個
失明, 一個弱智, 而孕婦本身有梅毒, 請問你會建
議她墮胎嗎?

題二: 選舉到了, 你擁有投票權, 請在下列候選人
名單中挑出理想的世界領袖,

甲: 和痞子政治家打交道, 和天文學家討論議題,
結過兩次婚, 抽煙, 一天喝八到十杯的馬丁尼.
乙: 兩度被趕出任期, 睡到中午才起床, 大學時抽
過鴉片, 每晚喝四分之一加侖的威士忌.
丙: 戰爭英雄, 退伍軍人, 不抽煙, 偶爾喝啤酒,
沒有任何婚外情.

xph
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posted 10-28-99 7:33 PM PT (US)
聊狂:
可是梅毒會傳染給嬰兒耶 (應該是吧?)
怎麼忍心看下一代受傷害?
ChBjo
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posted 10-28-99 7:44 PM PT (US)
但是在那時代, 知道梅毒會傳染幼兒???
xph
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posted 10-28-99 8:02 PM PT (US)
嗯 這也沒錯

所以說嘛, 時代不同, 不適用. ^_^

aries44
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posted 10-28-99 8:39 PM PT (US)
對於問題2, 我總是覺得答案不會是c
無理由這麼簡單的.
ChBjo
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posted 10-28-99 8:47 PM PT (US)
這此區的不成文規定:

永遠不要選擇最符合現實的答案

wuji
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posted 10-28-99 10:27 PM PT (US)
希特勒是專制, 不會辦選舉.

題目只是說到了選世界領袖的時候了﹐並沒有說這
選舉是希特勒辦的﹐他只是候選人之一而已。

對於問題2, 我總是覺得答案不會是c
無理由這麼簡單的.

答這種題目應該這樣去考慮嗎﹖


聊狂﹕

你最近還好吧﹖

Xiren
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posted 10-28-99 11:07 PM PT (US)
虱目魚譯得滿好的,不過在下認為有幾處小問題:

Associates with crooked politicians, and consults with astrologists. He's had two mistresses. He also chain smokes and drinks 8 to 10 martinis a day.
甲: 和痞子政治家打交道, 和天文學家討論議題,
結過兩次婚, 抽煙, 一天喝八到十杯的馬丁尼.

在下會譯為:
與貪官污吏為伍,求教於占星家,曾有兩個情婦,
是個煙槍,且每天喝八到十杯馬丁尼。

可能只是個人主觀,在下認為「政治家」這詞有褒
義,不適用於 crooked politicians。我認為
statesman (or -woman) 和「政治家」比較相稱。
至於 politician 通常是貶義或中性(neutral,
即不褒不貶),稱為「政客」較恰當吧。

另 astrologist(= astrologer) 在現代的用法中
,非指天文學家(astronomer),而是利用星相算命
的人。

又,既然是 "mistresses", 應該沒有婚姻關係。

He's a vegetarian
退伍軍人
應該是「他吃素」才對。



在下的答案:

問題一、會告知孕婦可能發生的後果,但不會建議
墮胎,由她自己選擇。

問題二、無法根據所提供的資料投票,因為那些敘
述都與「能否成為一個好領袖」沒有多大的關係。

ChBjo
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posted 10-28-99 11:19 PM PT (US)
無忌:

我最近啊? 非常的好............

相信你自己也曾經歷過這一時期
先祝我好運吧?

(我現在應該已經算易類了吧)

wuji
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posted 10-28-99 11:21 PM PT (US)
解釋一下我的答案﹕

Q1﹕很簡單﹕我不贊成abortion。至於所提供的有
關前面那些兄弟姐妹及這位母親的狀況﹐老實說﹐
I couldn't care less。

Q2﹕因為選的是world leader﹐所以提供的有關
Candidate C的facts根本沒有用﹐對他我可以說
是一無所知﹐當然不能選。A嘛﹐"Associates with
crooked politicians"﹕No, wouldn't want that。
就剩下B了﹐"He was kicked out of office twice"﹕
I'd want more details, but 矮子裡拔將軍好了。

wuji
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posted 10-28-99 11:27 PM PT (US)
相信你自己也曾經歷過這一時期
先祝我好運吧?

Actually I meant something else, but never mind.
(Un)fortunately﹐我沒有經歷過你現在經歷的
這段時期。美加制度大概不太一樣。

祝好運!

ChBjo
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posted 10-28-99 11:33 PM PT (US)
我人在美國!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
wuji
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posted 10-28-99 11:37 PM PT (US)
我知道。我人在加拿大﹐所以我說『制度大概
不太一樣。』

(這句話可能會引起爭論/誤會﹐我的意思是指高
中考大學的制度。在加拿大某些省份﹐昇大學不
需要真的去『考』﹐至少不像其它一些制度下的
『考』)

ChBjo
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posted 10-29-99 12:04 AM PT (US)
制度大概不太一樣
我還當是美加制度....



在加拿大某些省份﹐昇大學不需要真的去『考』﹐
至少不像其它一些制度下的『考』

在美國也是差不多啊, 有差的不過是SAT成績
(好像是), 最累的便是college essay了,

ChBjo
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posted 10-29-99 12:08 AM PT (US)
Actually I meant something else, but never mind.

so what do you actually mean? just tell me.
well, i believe i really need to go to sleep
becasue it is three


wuji
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posted 10-29-99 7:26 AM PT (US)
我還當是美加制度....

Ok, I see, that's how you understood it. Sorry I didn't make myself clear.

有差的不過是SAT成績(好像是), 最累的便是college essay了,

沒有了這兩樣﹐應該就會輕鬆不少吧。

so what do you actually mean? just tell me.

Nothing. Forget it.
Scottie
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posted 10-29-99 7:44 PM PT (US)
Adolph Hitler didn't have any extramarital affairs? No way! He was infected with some kind of sex disease (syphilis??) from a Jewish woman!
His private life was a mess, just like our Chairman Mao...
ChBjo
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posted 10-29-99 8:15 PM PT (US)
有差的不過是SAT成績(好像是), 最累的便是college essay了,
沒有了這兩樣﹐應該就會輕鬆不少吧

Life has never been so easy!!!!!!!
Scottie
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posted 10-29-99 8:38 PM PT (US)
By the way, I almost thought Candidate C is Forest Gump!!! : D
So, Xiren you are quite right:
>無法根據所提供的資料投票,因為那些敘述都與
「能否成為一個好領袖」沒有多大的關係。
wuji
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posted 10-29-99 10:23 PM PT (US)
Life has never been so easy!!!!!!!

I'd have to say life's treated me fairly good.

And BTW, I think I got my answer.

xph
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posted 10-30-99 11:16 PM PT (US)
果然是被我譯的亂七八糟 ^o^

看完題目的答案讓我覺得如果從不同角度看一件
事情, 得到的結論也不一樣.

WHY
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posted 11-01-99 6:56 AM PT (US)

> Adolph Hitler didn't have any extramarital affairs? No way!
He had not had any XM affairs "before" (the "election"), though his private life was a mess "after".
WHY
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posted 11-01-99 7:03 AM PT (US)

I killed Beethoven and elected Churchill.
I guess that Beethoven would be better off if he was born in another family; yes, I believe in cyclic lile.

By the way, I thought Candidate C was Mr. Gump, too!, though I did not remember whether Mr. Gump was a vegetarian.

Xiren
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posted 11-01-99 8:02 AM PT (US)
yes, I believe in cyclic lile.
May I ask what "cyclic lile" is ?
Do you mean "reincarnation" (輪迴) ?!
WHY
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posted 11-01-99 8:58 AM PT (US)

Thank you for your comments, Xiren. Yes, I meant 輪迴, but I didn't use reincarnation (rebirth of the soul) since the definition of the word implies the existence of a soul, whereas cyclic life (sorry for the typo), or cyclic existence, is commonly used in Buddhist texts. I should have written in Chinese as 輪迴, but I could not do so in office.
WHY
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posted 11-01-99 9:03 AM PT (US)

By the way, I guess this topic was supposed to be a joke, wasn't it?
However, the outcome is......
Xiren
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posted 11-02-99 9:22 AM PT (US)
WHY,

I didn't use reincarnation (rebirth of the soul) since the definition of the word implies the existence of a soul
有啥問題呢?在下對佛學沒有研究,但記得輪迴只
發生在有「靈魂」的「六道」之間,不是嗎?!

whereas cyclic life (sorry for the typo), or cyclic existence, is commonly used in Buddhist texts.
To me, "cyclic life" is a technical term, meaning the lifespan of an automaton (or a mechanical device). I think that the formal term for 輪迴 in Buddhism is "samsara".

YCP
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posted 11-02-99 11:27 AM PT (US)
六道都是「有情」﹐而不是「有靈魂」。
根據佛家的理論﹐輪迴者乃業力牽引相續﹐輪迴期
間顯現的「中陰身」(或曰中有)是現象﹐其中沒有
靈魂這種不變的「實體」(也就是「我」了﹐自然
違反「諸法無我」的法印)﹐所以生死不是靈魂的
移轉。
佛典中對輪迴的機理有細緻的分析﹐於此無法細述。

Samsara 是輪迴的梵語﹐英文的普及佛學讀物一般
把它譯作 cyclic existence (cyclic life 則未
見過)。

余非老頭 (看見有關佛學的﹐總是忍不住手……)

WHY
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posted 11-02-99 1:41 PM PT (US)

謝謝余非老頭先生代小可解釋。
輪迴的機理小可只是略有所聞,知個大概而矣,還
望先生指教。
Xiren
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posted 11-06-99 6:23 AM PT (US)
多謝余非老頭的解釋。

在下果然是鈍根下器!一年前讀到這篇余非老頭
提供的文章裡,已說過佛家的「無我」即是否定
『「依業輪迴」必有一常住不減的「自我」。』
這個「自我」的其中一個名稱,就是靈魂,我卻
一點也不記得。>_< 當年讀這篇文章時,邊看邊打
瞌睡,沒啥得著;如今再讀還是一頭霧水……,唉!


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