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關於版面的建議

A JU 個人資料 \| email	posted 12-02-98 1:00 PM ET (US) 目前討論主題與內容不能並列,看完某一主題時,還需跳回前一畫面才能再選另一主題. 不知能否使兩者在同一頁,如同傷心小站首頁般,左邊或上半是討論主題,右邊或下半是內容. 可省去內容/主題頁切換時間.
CC 個人資料 \| email	posted 12-02-98 1:49 PM ET (US) You can open a topic (內容) in a New Window for the same effect.
wuji 個人資料 \| email	posted 12-02-98 2:52 PM ET (US) But you have to switch back and forth between two windows. In each window, the problem of having to go back to the topic list to select a new topic, suggested by AJU, still exists.
wuji 個人資料 \| email	posted 12-02-98 3:50 PM ET (US) Forget about what I said.
Xiren 個人資料 \| email	posted 12-02-98 3:54 PM ET (US) It might be impractical right now to suggest big surgeries to the forums. After all, this is 過兒's place. Is it possible though to add a list box (like the "Hop to" at the existing page) which lists all topics in that forum? This should require much less work and doesn't change the look-and-feel of the existing forums.
wuji 個人資料 \| email	posted 12-02-98 4:36 PM ET (US) I don't think implementing what AJU sugguested can be called "a big suguery". All it would require is to change the existing content page into a frame format. The question should be is it really necessary.
CC 個人資料 \| email	posted 12-02-98 5:13 PM ET (US) One entry will take approx 0.2k, so such a listbox would take roughly 14k for Jinyong area. Do you think it is worth it to donwload extra 14k of data for each topic? BTW, I seldom have to switch back and forth between since I usually open all the topics of interest as windows at startup, then close my connection, write my reply messages, reopen the connection and post the replies.
Xiren 個人資料 \| email	posted 12-02-98 8:58 PM ET (US) To wuji: All it would require is to change the existing content page into a frame format. It's not as simple as you might think. Remember -- 1.Topics are dynamic -- it's not like what you see in most web pages where the menu items are fixed. The page has to be constructed at run-time, and BTW, when should those topics be updated? To make it work, a better approach is an expand-down tree list on the left pane, and that's some real work we're talking about. 2.Topics are usually pretty long, so the left pane is not the best place for them -- it will drive people nuts if they have to scroll horizontally all the time. An alternative would be using a "tip" (a small-box that pops up when the cursor is moved to a topic.) ..... Also, making these "improvements" will change the appearance of this site dramatically, and like I said -- it's 過兒's place. CC cannot make those changes without 過兒's approval. Anyway, you don't want to do something ad hoc, so there are a lot of things to be considered if a move that big is to be made. To CC: Do you think it is worth it to donwload extra 14k of data for each topic? I wouldn't suggest loading topics up front. Since topics are dynamic data, they should not be loaded until the action is fired (e.g. onClick), therefore, a pop-up might be a better choice. So, instead of using the framed-window scheme, there are 2 seperate windows -- one serves as the menu, and the other, the view area. I usually open all the topics of interest as windows at startup What you do is fine and efficient, but wow, how many sessions of browser do you have to run at once? Some people might need to upgrade their computers in order to do the same. ^_^
CC 個人資料 \| email	posted 12-02-98 11:23 PM ET (US) So, instead of using the framed-window scheme, there are 2 seperate windows -- one serves as the menu, and the other, the view area. Basically the menu window is the same as the current "list of topics" window with links targeted to a common view window. This can be done very easily by adding "TARGET=xxx" in each of the topic links, i.e. only one line of code has to be changed. how many sessions of browser do you have to run at once? 10-40 sessions. Roughly 150k of memory for each extra session. Some people might need to upgrade their computers in order to do the same. ^_^ I used do the same thing on my old machine (486DX100 16MB RAM).
Lazy Snake 個人資料 \| email	posted 12-02-98 11:28 PM ET (US) Some people maybe at the forum while doing something else like listening to MP3, playing games, chatting, d/l'ing stuff, and those can be handicaps.
CC 個人資料 \| email	posted 12-03-98 12:22 AM ET (US) If system resource is a major concern, then one may open a limited number of topic windows at one time, close them, and open other topics of interest. They would be kept in the cache and one can view them offline. One may even use certain mirroring software to download all the topics being replied to during the past N days in one of the discussion areas.
A JU 個人資料 \| email	posted 12-03-98 11:40 AM ET (US) ~@_@~ Help! 恕阿朱才疏學淺,英文----早八百年前就忘得差不多了.只大約知道有一些困難. 各位的討論能否請版主或那位好心人摘要以中文告知. 感激涕零!!
CC 個人資料 \| email	posted 12-03-98 12:17 PM ET (US) 重點大致為﹕ 1 改版面就要修改程式﹐只有很忙(考大學)的站主過兒才可以決定。 2 用 frame 劃分版面有不少技術上的問題﹐ 主題太長﹑數目太多令到無論把主題列放左邊 ﹑放上面都不理想。(還有一些純粹技術的討論﹐在此不贅。) 3 建議用 open as new window 的方式開啟內容頁﹐那麼可保留主題頁﹐不用每次重新下載。 4 甚至可以一口氣開啟所有有興趣的題目﹐離線閱讀。(或按電腦上的硬件限制開啟數個主題 ﹐關閉之﹐再開其它主題。)要回應的話﹐則先寫好回應﹐重新連線﹐剪貼到回應頁上。這樣可減少連線時間。
A JU 個人資料 \| email	posted 12-05-98 2:48 AM ET (US) 謝謝回應,阿朱也覺得目前的網站也很少見到討論區分隔為二的,也猜想大約有某些難度. 但曾在一個站上看到,且可選擇一或二個窗. 可惜沒記下站址. 另外,目前阿朱就是每次開兩三個窗,仍嫌不夠快,大概台灣的電信公司線路未完全升級(好像才進行一半),且我太性急了. 第四點的建議很有用,謝了! ^__^
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A JU 個人資料 \| email	posted 12-02-98 1:00 PM ET (US) 目前討論主題與內容不能並列,看完某一主題時,還需跳回前一畫面才能再選另一主題. 不知能否使兩者在同一頁,如同傷心小站首頁般,左邊或上半是討論主題,右邊或下半是內容. 可省去內容/主題頁切換時間.
CC 個人資料 \| email	posted 12-02-98 1:49 PM ET (US) You can open a topic (內容) in a New Window for the same effect.
wuji 個人資料 \| email	posted 12-02-98 2:52 PM ET (US) But you have to switch back and forth between two windows. In each window, the problem of having to go back to the topic list to select a new topic, suggested by AJU, still exists.
wuji 個人資料 \| email	posted 12-02-98 3:50 PM ET (US) Forget about what I said.
Xiren 個人資料 \| email	posted 12-02-98 3:54 PM ET (US) It might be impractical right now to suggest big surgeries to the forums. After all, this is 過兒's place. Is it possible though to add a list box (like the "Hop to" at the existing page) which lists all topics in that forum? This should require much less work and doesn't change the look-and-feel of the existing forums.
wuji 個人資料 \| email	posted 12-02-98 4:36 PM ET (US) I don't think implementing what AJU sugguested can be called "a big suguery". All it would require is to change the existing content page into a frame format. The question should be is it really necessary.
CC 個人資料 \| email	posted 12-02-98 5:13 PM ET (US) One entry will take approx 0.2k, so such a listbox would take roughly 14k for Jinyong area. Do you think it is worth it to donwload extra 14k of data for each topic? BTW, I seldom have to switch back and forth between since I usually open all the topics of interest as windows at startup, then close my connection, write my reply messages, reopen the connection and post the replies.
Xiren 個人資料 \| email	posted 12-02-98 8:58 PM ET (US) To wuji: All it would require is to change the existing content page into a frame format. It's not as simple as you might think. Remember -- 1.Topics are dynamic -- it's not like what you see in most web pages where the menu items are fixed. The page has to be constructed at run-time, and BTW, when should those topics be updated? To make it work, a better approach is an expand-down tree list on the left pane, and that's some real work we're talking about. 2.Topics are usually pretty long, so the left pane is not the best place for them -- it will drive people nuts if they have to scroll horizontally all the time. An alternative would be using a "tip" (a small-box that pops up when the cursor is moved to a topic.) ..... Also, making these "improvements" will change the appearance of this site dramatically, and like I said -- it's 過兒's place. CC cannot make those changes without 過兒's approval. Anyway, you don't want to do something ad hoc, so there are a lot of things to be considered if a move that big is to be made. To CC: Do you think it is worth it to donwload extra 14k of data for each topic? I wouldn't suggest loading topics up front. Since topics are dynamic data, they should not be loaded until the action is fired (e.g. onClick), therefore, a pop-up might be a better choice. So, instead of using the framed-window scheme, there are 2 seperate windows -- one serves as the menu, and the other, the view area. I usually open all the topics of interest as windows at startup What you do is fine and efficient, but wow, how many sessions of browser do you have to run at once? Some people might need to upgrade their computers in order to do the same. ^_^
CC 個人資料 \| email	posted 12-02-98 11:23 PM ET (US) So, instead of using the framed-window scheme, there are 2 seperate windows -- one serves as the menu, and the other, the view area. Basically the menu window is the same as the current "list of topics" window with links targeted to a common view window. This can be done very easily by adding "TARGET=xxx" in each of the topic links, i.e. only one line of code has to be changed. how many sessions of browser do you have to run at once? 10-40 sessions. Roughly 150k of memory for each extra session. Some people might need to upgrade their computers in order to do the same. ^_^ I used do the same thing on my old machine (486DX100 16MB RAM).
Lazy Snake 個人資料 \| email	posted 12-02-98 11:28 PM ET (US) Some people maybe at the forum while doing something else like listening to MP3, playing games, chatting, d/l'ing stuff, and those can be handicaps.
CC 個人資料 \| email	posted 12-03-98 12:22 AM ET (US) If system resource is a major concern, then one may open a limited number of topic windows at one time, close them, and open other topics of interest. They would be kept in the cache and one can view them offline. One may even use certain mirroring software to download all the topics being replied to during the past N days in one of the discussion areas.
A JU 個人資料 \| email	posted 12-03-98 11:40 AM ET (US) ~@_@~ Help! 恕阿朱才疏學淺,英文----早八百年前就忘得差不多了.只大約知道有一些困難. 各位的討論能否請版主或那位好心人摘要以中文告知. 感激涕零!!
CC 個人資料 \| email	posted 12-03-98 12:17 PM ET (US) 重點大致為﹕ 1 改版面就要修改程式﹐只有很忙(考大學)的站主過兒才可以決定。 2 用 frame 劃分版面有不少技術上的問題﹐ 主題太長﹑數目太多令到無論把主題列放左邊 ﹑放上面都不理想。(還有一些純粹技術的討論﹐在此不贅。) 3 建議用 open as new window 的方式開啟內容頁﹐那麼可保留主題頁﹐不用每次重新下載。 4 甚至可以一口氣開啟所有有興趣的題目﹐離線閱讀。(或按電腦上的硬件限制開啟數個主題 ﹐關閉之﹐再開其它主題。)要回應的話﹐則先寫好回應﹐重新連線﹐剪貼到回應頁上。這樣可減少連線時間。
A JU 個人資料 \| email	posted 12-05-98 2:48 AM ET (US) 謝謝回應,阿朱也覺得目前的網站也很少見到討論區分隔為二的,也猜想大約有某些難度. 但曾在一個站上看到,且可選擇一或二個窗. 可惜沒記下站址. 另外,目前阿朱就是每次開兩三個窗,仍嫌不夠快,大概台灣的電信公司線路未完全升級(好像才進行一半),且我太性急了. 第四點的建議很有用,謝了! ^__^
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