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Healing Class: RPing Wounds -- August 8, 2000
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Kerowyn says, "First, the Keroclass philosophy: Unless things get very spammy and very off topic, I don't bother with queues. They confuse me. :) So if you have a question or a comment, speak up!"
Kerowyn says, "Second, I pick on people. I like to pick on the inexperienced over the experienced because, well, I'm cruel. Seriously, I *will* call on people fo rexamples and such. Please do not be shy and again, speak up!! Nobody here will laugh at you or be mean if you do. (ANd if they do, I know some particularly difficult places to get out of to put them)"
Kerowyn grins. "That said, the topic of tonights class is wound RP, so that poses a question: Do y'all want to concentrate on how to deal with Combat Effects or Wound Effects? Theyare slightly different: COmbat is how to react while in combat, whereas wound would be how to deal after combat is over. Show of hands is fine.
Gweneth says, "Ummm, briefly on com, but mainly wound."
Ivriniel asks, "Can we touch on both? So the guys know how to RP their wounds according to the HP loss?
Kerowyn all righties. So you are in the middle of combat, and Urkle the big bad orc whaps you for 40 points in one swing. OUCH. What do you do?
Gweneth says, "fall and cry?"
Ivriniel says, "It would depend on where Urkle posed that he was attacking
Lossaran says, "well that would easily break limbs, if not lose a few depending on where the attack is and the weapon used"
Gwaiandir likes Gweneth's solution: the 2nd one. ;)
Kerowyn thinks Dury is closer to reality. Of course HenWen is right too. If it was towards your arm, you might pose it being choped off (and dangling bya tendon perhaps), or a nasty bone-deep and loss of muscle gash...or broken bits...
Durandir says, "what if you were wearing tons of armour?"
Kerowyn says, "Forty points, for most of us, is a near-mortal wound. But before you pose the complete loss of things, or anything so nasty its completely incurable, think about our medical technology."
Kerowyn says, "That many points got THROUGH your armour, Dury. Its still really bad. ;)"
Kerowyn notes its also important to think about what has just happened. YOu *may* be pumped full of adrenilin, but you're losinga bunch of blood, and you're body has just had a traumatic shock...eventually, you WILL fall down and cry. Or merely fall down.
Gwaiandir imagines that, disallowing the force of the blow and the actual impediment of no arm/leg/head/whatever, there would be a period of shock where nothing would happen.
Kerowyn nods. "It depends. In my research on this, I spent some time talking to people who've been through traumatic wounds and such....adrenelin DOES play a part, and you can sometimes go on for a bit on pure auto-pilot. Or feel no pain. But its a VERY SHORT LITTLE BIT. Its not four more hours of combat RP. ;)
Gwaiandir says, "There might not be any pain immediately. I knew a guy who broke his neck in an auto accident. He was helping other people. Then all of a sudden he fell down and died."
Kerowyn goes on...but thinks you should all think about HP loss and appropriate wounds for what you've received...the tournament is a good place to practice, and I assure you that there will be people watching (And making suggestions as necessary) how folks react to things. BUT, the main thrust of this class is to talk about what sort of medical tech we have, and the appropriate ways to RP out yourwounds after the actual battle.
Kerowyn says, "Number one point that I cannot stress enough - I woul put it in flashing chartreuse ANSI if I was that kind of person - The CS heals you MUCH MUCH too fast to be IC."
Kerowyn says, "If you are in battle tonight, and drop to four HP, and are 'healed' to 50 HP this time tomorrow night, you better not be thinking you're going out to the battle field again."
Some Smurf interjects for just a moment, "The tournament is not done with lethal weapons ICly. So wounds there are different than if you're fighting an orc, where it's obviously lethal.
Kerowyn wells yes, that is true Smurfster, but appropriate is still appropriate. For the HP loss and the weapon type and etc. ;)
Some Smurf says, "Actually, the HP loss in the tourney isn't permanent, so I wouldn't expect massive blood loss to be RPed."
Kerowyn says, "Well no. THe weapons, I hope, are blunted and such, so wouldn't be causing massive blood loss."
Kerowyn says, "Unless someone takes you from full to 0 in one blow. That might result in something nasty."
Kerowyn says, "ANd yes I know that's impossible. ;) ANd well..shoot. I suppose we'll continue with healing tech and times when the OOC room thingy is done?"
Durandir raises his hand
Kerowyn anyways. ;) Dury had a question?
Durandir says, "here's a scenario. Mouth of Sauron, bane of the West, slaps you with his mace. You get slammed for 40 hitpoints or so. That's with your armour. Without, he probably would have killed you. And you're not supposed to have your armour anyway. How are you supposed to RP that, fatal injuries, when you're not supposed to die? :)"
Tamran says, "Big slap"
Durandir says, "Just a thought :)"
Ivriniel grins, "Good question Dury"
Dathgar thinks the combat system is totally mismanaged anyway, but he already posted stuff about that
Kerowyn nods. "You do in fact, pose mortal wounds. You should, at least.
Durandir nods, I'll bear that in mind. :) thanks
Kerowyn says, "The fact that some characters simply are not allowed to die makes that difficult, of course. ;) So you do the best you can...you fall unconscious, or you RP yourself crawling through death's door, nearly."
Tamran says, "Wouldn't it be better if you take out your armor before RP starts if you are not suppose to have one?"
Kerowyn says, "ANd you spend the next several RL months in the care of angelic healers."
Tamran caughs, "Angelic?"
Durandir says, "Yes, I believe that is what happens :) thank you :)"
Ivriniel pinches IC very quietly
Kerowyn bats her eyelashes. ANd yes, Tam, that would be ideal, to never go into battle improperly equipped. But sometimes, you do.
Tamran You better heal me after
Kerowyn says, "So..any other questions on strange possibilities (Or even !strange ones) in combat situations?"
Ivriniel asks, "Just out of idle curiosity here..how long would you require someone with broken ribs to remain under the healers care? And also, can you bring up -staying- under the healers care until fit for battle?'
Kerowyn smiles. "That is hte next topic exactly.
Ivriniel grins, "Cool beans!"
Kerowyn says, "As I said before our little break, the +heal time sof the CS are completely horribly terribly WRONG."
Kerowyn says, "YOu are not fit for battle after three days of healing if you've been brought down to 4, 5, 6 HP. Sorry. No way. Nuh-uh, not in this lifetime or any other."
Tamran says, "But what if you are me?"
Kerowyn says, "Even if we had for some strange reason a totally modern (RL) trauma center and such, you wouldn't heal in three days from that much mussed-uppedness."
Kerowyn says, "And we don't. We have, at BEST, 17th century medicine. We do NOT have anesthesia, we do NOT have orthoscopic surgery....we do not KNOW how the body precisely perfectly works down to every little capillary."
Kerowyn says, "And yes, even if you are you Ic. ;)"
Tamran nods and pouts
Kerowyn says, "Lets take Ivri's example: Broken ribs. Its a sort of touchy one, but I'll tackle it anyway. Lret us pretend that's the ONLY thing that happened. Its about a 10hp loss or so...You would probably be able to walk around. Even lift a spoon or a glass to your lips to drink. But lift a sword? Swing it with anything resebling accuracy? No way. Not for at least a couple of *weeks* yes weeks."
Gwaiandir broke his arm once. 6 weeks in a cast.
Kerowyn nods. "Break anything, expect to be out of battle, and even out of anythign strenuos in your RP for one to two RL weeks.
Lossaran notes if you break both bones in your arm, as I did, it is a 2 month heal
Kerowyn says, "Remember when we talked about losing half your HP? How long do you think a conglomeration of medium-bad wounds say: Three 'bone deep' gashes to various places and a broken .. leg, would take?"
Kerowyn says, "ICly, given Gondorian tech (Remember we don't have casts...just splints and wraps)"
Dathgar thinks about 6 months
Durandir says, "Never? be maimed? :)"
Dathgar says, "IC'ly"
Kerowyn smiles. "Being maimed for life is sometimes appropriate, if not always desired by most folks, yes Dury. The examples I gave are heal-able though,a nd to full capacity, Dth is about right. You're looking at a full RL month of 'light duty'. Which menas no battle, no unning about being foolish, etc.
Kerowyn says, "you're probably looking at 1-3 RL weeks of 'bed rest', which means if certain healers find out you've been wandering, tied to bed rest."
Ivriniel grins sweetly
Dathgar says, "the only thing is... that with the massive ammount of RP that happens here, RPing would require most every gondorian to have a standard issued Temp Alt"
Kerowyn raisesa brow, "Are you saying that there is no value in RPing a) with the healers, or b) that you might be weak or recovering?
Dathgar says, "Cause alot of people would be missing out alot more if they properly RP their wounds"
Dathgar says, "Not at all.."
Kerowyn says, "Then why would people be missing out by RPing those things properly? :)"
Dathgar says, "Simply because there is alot more RP out there then pure healing? Most people dont RP their damage to their equipment properly and thusly dont need to RP with a smith but you dont see me complaining......much...."
Gwaiandir says, "maybe he means that, while recovering, a person cannot go in search of rp with whomever. He has to wait for someone to come to him or wait for a healer to log on..??"
Dathgar says, "Alright, lemme put it this way.. Because most people SHOULD be RPing healing appropriatly, Gondorians should all have standard issued Temp Alts so that they can engage in RP other then pure healing RP for 2 months"
Kerowyn says, "Okays, I'll take that point Gwai.. And Daths."
Kerowyn says, "One, I never said you could do nothing but Pure Healing RP for two months. Yeck. EvenI couldn't handle that, and I'm a healer! ;)"
Durandir says, "Well, how do healers deal with emotional healing? Anything such as a shrink in these times? :)"
Dathgar says, "Yeah, but with a wound where you're taken to 4HP (as most newbies are in their first battle) that puts them out of commission (even with walking around) for at least 3 RL weeks"
Kerowyn says, "What I said was we would expect you to have bed rest for one to two RL weeks. That's absolutely true. Generally speaking, if you've been wounded in a battle, youa re in a room FULL of other soldiers (Both PCs and Non) who have also been wounded and who you can play with."
Kerowyn nods. "That's true Dath. ANd I fully expect thatsomeone in that condition will RPit appropriately. I've been ther, and I've done so, and I've never lacked for RP.
Durandir says, "I take that as a no... no wonder so many people are crazy these days :)"
Ivriniel nods, "Absolutely. During the siege in Osgil last year we were all cooped up in the infirmary stuck doing healing because that was what the RP dictated due to injuries and the Mords holding us"
Kerowyn says, "people WILL come to 'visit' you. There are LOTS of healers now...and after that first couple of weeks, you SHOULD be RPing wandering around, weakly, with a Healer to lean on - for rehabilitation purposes."
Kerowyn says, "ANd Dury, I"m getting there, I promise. ;)"
Durandir says, "I was RPing being filled with orc potions. They said it was potent enough to keep me awake, even though a troll had trashed me. Believed them, also because I remembered the bit when the orcs made sam and pippin I think drink their potion and they were alive after so much marching."
Dathgar says, "and in those people might miss out on a couple of TP's, a tourney, and some cool barroom RP.. all i'm saying is that we should stress the conditioning of Temp Alts from the start so that people can have alternatives when they are totally wrecked on their main characters.. I dont think enough stress is put on using temps.. but anyhow, I digress.. please get back to the wonderful healing class.."
Durandir says, "cross cultural healing? ;)"
Kerowyn does NOT advocate temp alts. I advocate playing your character properly. SOrry. :) And that includes playing healing properly. 1. Tourney: Of COURSE we would helpthe wounded out to view some of the events. SUre, youmight not get to particpate, you shoulnd't. RP being totally bummed about it. Noone ever gets to have everything they want. Not you, and not yur characters. .. NOT getting to do things is just as much fun to RP as getting them. Really. Tryit. ;)
Thorondur says, "Hear hear!"
Dathgar has been for a long while now but wont get into that
Kerowyn says, "Now, Dury...no, there are no shrinks. ;) There IS family, there are sympathetic ears, etc. for emotional healing. Going completely 'crazy'? Well....we'd probably feed them some herbs and such things. and hope."
Kerowyn says, "Cross cultural Healing...well. I wouldn't trust a harad or an orc anywhere near me! AN elf...well, in my case, if I was *dying*, maybe I might."
Gwaiandir heard that Erinhaim is crazy now anyway. And he's my team captain!
Kerowyn says, "But I would *expect* you all to accept healing form a Rohirrim (Heck I'd be out of a job otherwise!), and possibly even from an elf, should you ever be so cursed...I mean lucky...to encounter such a being."
Kerowyn says, "I'd ICly whap you upside th ehead if you took anything from anyone 'bad'. ANd then I'd strap you to the bed and feed you all sorts of thngs until you 'got better'."
Kerowyn thinks we've gone a little bit off topic...did anyone have any other questions/issues they wanted to address?
Lossaran says, "sorry, i've been a little distracted..did you cover poisoning?"
Kerowyn did not. Do you want poisoned arrow/knife poisoning, or do you want 'nasty diplomatic' poison in your food/drink poisoning?
Lossaran says, "no arrow/knife poisoning...how effective is poison tipped daggers of an orc or haradrim? are they ways to cure such things?"
Ivriniel grins, 'I want both...can we do both? Can we can we?"
Kerowyn pats Wenny onna head. "Yes we can do both. First, effectiveness and healing ability of Orc/Harad poisons.
Kerowyn says, "I have always assumed that we know antidotes to these things. Of course, we CANNOT cure black breath, but if you are that close to a nazgul, say goodnight gracie anyways. ;)"
Durandir laughs
Durandir says, "I feel bad now thank you kero :)"
Dathgar had a run in with a nazzie once :)
Dathgar and survived :)
Kerowyn takes poison from knives/darts/whatever as she does other injuries..if an orc witha poisoned blade gets you for forty, you've got a LOTLOT of poison in you, and can expect to have a whole lot of fun being delusional and hallucinating and all those kinds of things.
Kerowyn yeses, I know that people do that. You shouldn't. You SHOULD die. But that wouldn't be fun, so I tend to overlook it, though only under duress.
Kerowyn gets back on topic. A little bit of poison I usually tell people they are sluggish and sort of 'drunk'. It tends to work.
Ivriniel holds up her hand, 'How would they pose drinking poison other than sluggish drunk...pale...flushed....?
Kerowyn says, "That's orc/harad poisons, of course. ANd if someoen gets you with it, and tells you'this poison does blah'...do it! Unless theysay its a CDC class 5 toxin and you'll be dead in 30 seconds. Then you can snort at them."
Lossaran says, "so basically unless witchking slashes you, most often you will survive being poisoned?"
Kerowyn nods.
Kerowyn says, "It might take a loooong time..and you might wish to kill your character...we will ALWAYS be happy to Rp a valiant, but doomed effort in those cases. ;)"
Kerowyn rubs her hands together in an attempt to look shady..now for poisons in your food and drink. Say....THorondur doesn't like House Imrahil anymore. SO he hires Assom tje Assassin, to poinson Ivri! Oh dear.
Ivriniel gasps, "His second favorite PRincess? OH NO!
Thorondur says, "heck, I'd do that because I -liked- House Imrahil. You know, Wen, Lothiriel really covets some of your regalia."
Gwaiandir plans to throw himself between the princess and that Mordain woman when the woman
+wields the knife she is carrying into her close presence.;)
Kerowyn says, "Asom the Assassin puts some powdered something in Ivri's soup. She, unaware, eats it! Now what?"
Durandir says, "call 911. or the HoH. :)"
Gwaiandir says, "She probably gets sick to her tummy."
Kerowyn says, "Well, aside from the really spiffy Diplomatic and investigataive RP that would ensue, it all depends on the poison. Is it slow acting? Does she collapse that instant in sudden white-faced terror and pain?"
Kerowyn says, "It all depends. At the VERY least, she gets sick to her tummy. ;)"
Kerowyn says, "But poison is....a slippery thing. It is, more than ahealing issue, a TP Issue. My advice is: If you are ever to be the poison-er, be very explicit about: What happens, where you got the poison from, and how it is cured. THe last of those, any healer whould be able to help you one once they know the first two. And you shoul dseek their help."
Kerowyn hmms, that brings me to another point...
Kerowyn says, "WHich is really kind of a pet peeve, but this is my class so I'm bringing it up. ;) WHen you are wounded, and come to the healers, PLease, PLEASE, page us a nice detailed laundry list of your wounds. It doesn't have to be flowery or pretty, just a quick bullet point. It helps us tremendously in our RPed reactions to your presence."
Ivriniel holds up her hand, 'Another thing that I always ask when its a big battle is to RP a NPC healer until we can get to you. Its crazy after a battle and trying to get +heals and saving those that have dropped too low
Thorondur raises a hand.
Kerowyn nods, yes that's helpful Ivri. :) Yes Rondo?
Thorondur says, "This is to Wen's last point. And believe it or not, this -is- a serious question."
Kerowyn says, "Oh, though maybe they won't have to when we have LOTS of h ealers like we do now. :) We take even unserious questions, so go ahead. ;)"
Thorondur says, "Why not, rather than RPing an NPC healer, thrash and wail in horrible pain? I mean, a battlefield post-battle should be filled with the cries of the dying and wounded, shouldn't it? And we often overlook that aspect of the RP..."
Kerowyn ahhhs, god point!
Ivriniel says, "I vote for that as well Rondo. The more realistic it is the better. *makes note* More thrashing and wailing in healers tent"
Kerowyn says, "Good too. ERf. I think Henwen meant 'when you get to the healer's tent...' CERTAINLY RP your wounds. Heck, even whine if you're so inclined when you get to the healers. Be *certain* that your broken leg is far far more important than the guy over there with a gash THIS BIG in his chest. I mean, he's not complaining, is he?"
Kerowyn says, "And there are things that are not as 'bad' that hurt more than things that are. If your character isn't trained in healing, he might *believe* those broken ribs are crushing his lungs, the life and breath from his very body.""
Kerowyn says, "They certainly feel like they are. ;)"
Kerowyn okays....any other questions/issues?
Ivriniel says, 'How about when the scouts are out in the woods...any quick tips on how to treat an injury quickly? Or for that matter...any of the guys that are out on a patrol...away from healers
Thorondur relies on old RL Boy Scout knowledge for that.
Kerowyn thinks on that a moment..."I think that should be an *IC* class. :)"
Kerowyn says, "All the new recruits are sent to the HoH to learn the 'basics', or somesuch?"
Dathgar laughs
Durandir says, "a brilliant idea :)"
Thorondur notes that not a few of our warrior-types are starting to be healers too... might they ICly be called 'battle surgeons', d'you think?
Lossaran notes all scouts would have some sort of basic triage skills..we can't really heal per se but we can wrap up wounds tightly
Kerowyn nods at Lossa. "Right, and you might know some of the herblore and such. "
Kerowyn says, "ANd I would agree, Rondo. They'd be the equivelent of EMTs for the most part, or medics."
Lossaran says, "well herblore might be questionable..some rangers might..Aragorn certainly did right Rondo?"
Thorondur grins. "You bet he did!"
Kerowyn says, "But in my mind, some things fall under 'survival skills'. Others...well...we should talk offline. ;)"
Durandir says, "what final last words? :)"
Kerowyn wellls....if there aren't any other issues, lets go to RPRPRPRP!!!
Kerowyn chuckles. "Oh, final words: Hmmm. :)
Ivriniel grins, "Thanks for the class Kerowyn....we all really appreciate it"
Lossaran claps!!
You say, "Thanks Kerowyn (:"
Kerowyn says, "RP, have fun. But do it 'appropriately', remember that all kinds of RP, even things you don't THINK you like, can be fun. Try 'em out. And if you have something happen, and aren't sure what to do with it, talk to a helaer, we'll set ya up."
Targon says, "great class :)"
Kerowyn says, "And thank you all for coming. :)"
Durandir nods. Er, one last question. Med kits?
Durandir says, "sorry, forgot to ask that earlier :)"
Kerowyn says, "Yes and no."
Kerowyn carries a satchel everywhere she goes. So would any !apprentice healer.
Kerowyn says, "I assume the scouts, again, carry some clean bandages and a packet or two of the more 'common' herbs. *some* regular soldiers would do so also, but its far less likely, since they are traveling in force, with healers in attendance."
Kerowyn says, "I would think the 'battle surgeons' would be the ones to do so, in that case. Rather than every joe soldier on the block."
Thorondur hefts his eighty-pound government-issue backpack.
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