* southern^shell streches lites a smoke puts her feet up, dims the lites and gets the clicker on the slide presentation ready
 -southern^shell---> Ds/Sm Roles ~Types and Differences Tuesday September 13, 2005 ~9:00 pm CST ~ #The_D/s_Parlor ~Presentation and Open Forum on the various types of D/s Roles and the differences. Conducted via southern^shell.
 * fufu`ookami fondles shelly and listens
 -southern^shell---> tadaaaaaaaaaaaa 
 * velvety_girl looks at Play`nSimple.. how could You do that to sweet lil fufu?
 -southern^shell---> that is the topic for this eve!!!!!!!
 -southern^shell---> and the only color slide i have so you will have to suffer with ebony and ivory for the remainder
 -fufu`ookami---> yay :)
 -fufu`ookami---> lol sis
 * southern^shell turns the music on as she clicks to the outline
 * Play`nSimple bows his head and prepares to strike out completely at the intermission
 * fufu`ookami tickles the silly Sir while she peeks at the outline
 -southern^shell---> basically it is open forum - add your two cents cause all this is -- is my 10 cents (i did research so mine has more value) 
 -southern^shell---> ~ Capitalization Sir/Ma’ams
 -southern^shell---> ~ Master - Mistress
 -southern^shell---> ~ Fetish - Roles - definitions
 -southern^shell---> ~ Toping from bottom - SAM
 -southern^shell---> ~ Why is it important to understand and accept other roles? 
 -fufu`ookami---> lol shelly
 * fufu`ookami flips her an extra nickel :)
 * velvety_girl tosses in a quarter
 -southern^shell---> kk first torcher is Capitalization  / Sir ~ Ma’am ...  and I am going to click about three slides then we will chop our yappers and discus it *s* 
 -southern^shell---> The basic conventional way in the D/s Scene is that any role that falls as a Top (Sadist, Master, Dom, Dommie) will start with a Capital letter.  
 -southern^shell---> Individuals who fall into the role as a bottom will start with a lower case letter. In both situations this will hold true for the role (Mistress, Dom, Top) and names/nick. 
 -southern^shell---> There is nothing that states the conventional styles have to be followed unless you chose. On the same hand it is a bit forward to expect others to accept your beliefs and/or standards and no one should get a wad in their shorts because they are not addressed in the manner that they feel is correct.  
 -southern^shell---> This would also fall for Sir - Ma’am’s the conventional form is to address Tops with Sir and Ma’am. The lifestyle is 100 % consensual/choice. You can’t walk in somewhere and Demand to be address as something.  
 -southern^shell---> The general etiquette is to address people the way they like to be addressed.  Just like with any other part of life.  
 * fufu`ookami yaps just cuz shelly told her to :D
 -fufu`ookami---> heyyy she said three
 * southern^shell takes fufu's pins away
 -southern^shell---> I grouped this together for it is all sorta the same 
 * fufu`ookami pouts and steals her pins back
 -Play`nSimple---> but i always have a wad in my shorts
-fireblade---> lil_witchy Hey there comee on in and join the fun!
 * fufu`ookami giggles at Sir
 -southern^shell---> *giggles* and loves your wad Sir 
 -fufu`ookami---> welcome lil_witchy
 -lil_witchy---> hi fufu
 -velvety_girl---> hey lil_witchy
 -southern^shell---> ok yappp ... i will catch lil_witchy up in pm reall fast *s* 
 -fufu`ookami---> lmao
 -lil_witchy---> hi velvety_girl
 -fufu`ookami---> yaps
 -fufu`ookami---> yaps
 * fufu`ookami feels Play up
 -lil_witchy---> lol
 -fufu`ookami---> yaps
 * fufu`ookami gropes shelly too just cuz
 -southern^shell---> ok fufu -- give your thoughts on Sir Ma'am or i will start making you use it 
 -fufu`ookami---> LMAO
 * Play`nSimple asks when intermission is? ... :)
 -fufu`ookami---> only time i use Sir (never Ma'am cuz i dont serve dom fem's) is when im actively submissive to a dom
 -fufu`ookami---> i dont use it for all cuz im not serving them
 * southern^shell pinches Play`nSimple
 -southern^shell---> I have a harder time with Ma'am then Sir 
 * Play`nSimple behaves
 -southern^shell---> even in the busines Realm
 -fufu`ookami---> outside of D/s i have no issue using Sir or Ma'am, but lifestyle wise very few will get a Sir from me unles i serve them in some way or theyve earned a HUGE amount of my respect
 -southern^shell---> in the Parlor I don't use the Sir - Ma'am always ---- in the scene connection my intent is to be submissive and i try to use them more, it also is part of who I am, utilizing them all day sometime carries over to online as a general use of respect 
 * fufu`ookami smiles
 * fufu`ookami whispers softly....  really im just a bitch thats why i dont use them :D
 -southern^shell---> lmao
 -lil_witchy---> lol
 -fufu`ookami---> chuckles
 -velvety_girl---> i use them till the prove they don't deserve it
 -lil_witchy---> i agree velvety_girl
 -Play`nSimple---> i call all women Ma'am in business when i dont know them well....or unless they are very young then i use their first names
 -southern^shell---> I don't not how ever feel it is right and you see this soooo often to force someone to use it and or cap play`nSimple
 -fufu`ookami---> actually shell knows the reason why... and most of it ive stated, the other reason is simple... im a switch so im just respectful without it
 -southern^shell---> the big P isnt what makes him Top 
 -fufu`ookami---> no but it is a sign of respect online
 -velvety_girl---> but its amazing how many Doms get really upset when i call them Sir
 -fufu`ookami---> if theyre too lazy to shift... use the tab key lol
 -southern^shell---> well not only online in writings to and real life scenes
 -southern^shell---> lol 
 * southern^shell raises hand ... lazy!!!!!!!
 -fufu`ookami---> lol *ponders if she cap's OEs name in bed"....
 * velvety_girl has a secret love affair with her tab key
 -southern^shell---> velvety_girl -- there are some i will NOT call Sir
 -southern^shell---> for the same reason as you --- their action has shown that they are unworthy of the title
 -velvety_girl---> i've had a few that have actually gotten really mad that i won't call them Master, i don't call anyone Master
 * Play`nSimple hates it when southern^shell calls him plain simple... LOL
 -lil_witchy---> must be Goreans
 -southern^shell---> I call one Master! that is it 
 -velvety_girl---> that is a special title i reserve for the One i will kneel before
 -fufu`ookami---> if anyone watches when i talk to ppl... if Sir or Master (especially) is in their nics, i find a way around it, i wont use it
 -southern^shell---> ohhh but Sir that is plain simple Sexy!
 -fufu`ookami---> like kalina's Edge.... hes Edge, not his full nic
 -southern^shell---> exactly velvety_girl -- the one that owns me
 -velvety_girl---> Play`nSimple.. You know that i have a deep respect for You from our talks, but i can't call even You Master
 -southern^shell---> well his isn't Master as in the D/s Master tho i believe it is Master like of swords for example 
 -fufu`ookami---> i know, but its a principle thing with me
 -fufu`ookami---> im subborn :)
 -Play`nSimple---> and id notice and wonder what you'd been smoking if you did velvety_girl
33] -fufu`ookami---> stubborn even
33] * velvety_girl grins.. i'd never tell...lol
33] -southern^shell---> I am going to click a few more slides here and add some more info to the fire for we are crossing into it *s* 
 -fufu`ookami---> kk
 -southern^shell---> The D/s lifestyle has various roles and/or fetishes.  Roles generally refer to the role or actions engaged in either during play and/or a ongoing day to day life.  A fetish is actually fetishism it is the desire and/fantasy that one acts out with in a scene; generally is not carried on in the day to day life such as: Medical, feet, puppy and pony are even difficult to carry on in a day to day life
 * southern^shell click and poke fufu with pin
 -southern^shell---> Most individuals have both a Top/bottom personality.  The role they take will depend upon the person they are with.  It is nearly impossible to be one or the other 24 - 7 
 * fufu`ookami purrrrssssssssssssss
 * southern^shell clicks and tickles velvety_girl
 -southern^shell---> Some terms that you will here within the lifestyle that are: 
 -southern^shell---> Bondager, BondageMaster, Fetish, ponygirl, puppy, Dresser (CrossDreser Nick-cv--->), Player/Scener, Master - slave, Captor - Captive, Dominant - submissive, Top - Bottom, Active Player  -  Passive Player, Sadist - masochist, Daddy - baby/lilone, Switch
 -southern^shell---> there are alot of Roles that we can take on and some are not into any of them but just the fetish side
 -southern^shell---> Silly question --- can anyone tell me why it would be important to understand each role some
 -fufu`ookami---> so one can relate and actually know... a person may think theyre a dom when truely theyre a top or a sadist only
 -devils`skye---> nite
* Play`nSimple wonders if he is merely a sadist
 -southern^shell---> What would be some of the differnces say in a Sadist - Top - Dom - Master
 * southern^shell purrrrrrrrrrs
 * fufu`ookami blahs as shelly for making her think
 * fufu`ookami adds to Plays intermission note
 -southern^shell---> Sadist is simple .... 
 -velvety_girl---> a Sadist is someone who enjoys inflicting pain
 -southern^shell---> they are not even into control
 * fufu`ookami lets shelly answer and saves her fingers :D
 -southern^shell---> well not always pain sis -- but yes general pain 
 -fufu`ookami---> well thats where they get the majority of their pleasure from
 * Play`nSimple isnt a sadist , the question was merely rhetorical
 -southern^shell---> Tickle Torture is a form that can be very sadistic 
 * fufu`ookami tickles Play Sir
 -southern^shell---> but it isn't painful (hmmm wait maybe it is) 
 -fufu`ookami---> lol
 -lil_witchy---> ever been tied down and tickled shell?
 -velvety_girl---> torture isn't really pain unless it goes on too long
 -southern^shell---> LOL ummmmmmmmmmmmmm real life noooooooo but will be soon enough akkkkkkk
 -fufu`ookami---> lolol
 -lil_witchy---> lol 
 -velvety_girl---> lol
 -lil_witchy---> it can be if it's done slowly and deliberatly with no chance to catch your breath
 -Play`nSimple---> but i do like girls who like a truely physical frolic
 * southern^shell gets her mind back ... ok now where were we LOL
 -fufu`ookami---> lmao shelly
 -fufu`ookami---> sadist, top, dom
 -fufu`ookami---> :P
 -southern^shell---> so Sadist is inflicting some sort of pain - torture 
 -southern^shell---> so what would a Top be 
 -fufu`ookami---> tops for me are harder to just "describe" its more of how they act
 * ChanServ sets mode: -o {kalina}EM
 * {kalina}EM smiles coming back ih hugging shelly
 * {kalina}EM pulls fufu in and hugs them both
 -Play`nSimple---> they are the with the superior view of events :)
 -fufu`ookami---> huggs
 -fufu`ookami---> how so Sir?
 -Play`nSimple---> greetings {kalina}EM
 -Play`nSimple---> well the ceiling can get a little dull fufu
 * fufu`ookami swats him
 -southern^shell---> hugsssssssssss and snubs the sleeping kalian
 * {kalina}EM smiles
 -southern^shell---> The Top is the person administering the scene and the role doesn't go outside the scene, it can also be refered to the controlling factor in a scene such as Sadist who inflicts, Dom the teaches, Master that owns ... 
 * Play`nSimple runs away
 * fufu`ookami stops typing cuz shelly answers as soon as i start LOL
 -southern^shell---> *giggles* opppsssssssss Clickssssssss and nibbles lil_witchy's neck a bit 
 * Play`nSimple wants to be a Top..... (grins)
 * fufu`ookami sneaks into the bushes hunting Play while she listens to shelly
 -southern^shell---> lol NOT on top sir Toppppp
 -Play`nSimple---> master administrator... :))
 -southern^shell---> LMAO 
 -Play`nSimple---> master-something-or-other anyway :)
 -southern^shell---> ok Dominante (Dom/ee) general discription
 -fufu`ookami---> someone that enjoys control, the power exchange, and it lasts outside of a scene
 -fufu`ookami---> ok yay i killed the room :D
 * fufu`ookami pounces Play and laughs now
 -southern^shell---> two questions --- Does the Dominante on always carry to the outside of a scene
 * {kalina}EM smiles
 -fufu`ookami---> depends on whats agreed to
 -fufu`ookami---> and if theyre in a relationship
 * Play`nSimple burps to provce he's alive and slithers back into the bushes, dragging fufu, kickin and screaming with him
 -southern^shell---> Also, does the dominant one teach and or disiplin/correct for wrong actions
 * fufu`ookami chuckles and doesnt think shes kicking thattttt much
 -fufu`ookami---> yes sis... but tahts getting closer to "Master"
 -fufu`ookami---> to me anyways
 * southern^shell thinks on that
 * southern^shell fireeeeeeeeeeeee
 -southern^shell---> helpppppp
 -fufu`ookami---> ack
 -fufu`ookami---> what
 * fufu`ookami pokes her
 -southern^shell---> I saw smoke when i was thinking
 -southern^shell---> scared me
 -fufu`ookami---> dont doooooo that
 * {kalina}EM giggles kissing shelly's cheek
 * fufu`ookami almost called bham fire dept
 -fufu`ookami---> :P
 * velvety_girl thought she smelled something burning
 -southern^shell---> I don't think a dom always goes outside a scene - it is like fufu siad - what is agreed on but I do think that they teach and that is part of the role 
 -southern^shell---> lol fufu i am in trouble
 -southern^shell---> you call bham
 -southern^shell---> that is min 1.5 hours even at high speads
 -southern^shell---> speeds
 -fufu`ookami---> lol welll i wasnt going to say what city you num
 -fufu`ookami---> soo that one worked :D
 -southern^shell---> lol it is on isp
 * southern^shell hugs her ...
 -fufu`ookami---> lol
 -fufu`ookami---> hugg :D
 * southern^shell clicks and reaches over tickling kalina's tummy ....
 -southern^shell---> Ok Master ... What would this be .... 
 * {kalina}EM wiggles and bucks a bit feeling the tickles and holds as still as she can smiling to shelly
 -fufu`ookami---> someone that takes anothers life fully into their own hands, cares for them, teaches them, is there for them, besides the scening :)
 -fufu`ookami---> kalina... your thoughts?
 * {kalina}EM smiles softly
 -{kalina}EM---> i'm still very new to it real life
 -fufu`ookami---> even online hon
 -{kalina}EM---> i haven't had it beyond the bedroom yet
-fufu`ookami---> what makes a Master forr you
 * velvety_girl smiles at heartsown
 -{kalina}EM---> then yes
 -{kalina}EM---> for me
 -{kalina}EM---> oh man
 -fufu`ookami---> hey hearts
 -heartsown---> hello
 * heartsown sets mode: -o heartsown
 * southern^shell hugs heartsown
 -{kalina}EM---> someone that understand that i do have rl responsiblities but when i'm here i'm here for them and vice versa
 * fufu`ookami smiles
 -southern^shell---> velvety_girl -- you have some clear definitions of a Master what is it to you 
 -{kalina}EM---> that my needs, which are big on pleasing the one i am with always, are also met
 -fufu`ookami---> nicely said :)
 * {kalina}EM smiles softly
 -velvety_girl---> can i make a comment?
 * heartsown quietly curls up in a corner and watches
 -{kalina}EM---> absolutely velvety hon
 -fufu`ookami---> of course velvet
 -fufu`ookami---> shelly asked loL :)
 -southern^shell---> yes please velvety_girl
 -velvety_girl---> when i think of Master.. He's the One who will own me heart, body, and soul.. there is no greater relationship.  Its like a cake, you can eat it plain and its good, but Master is like the icing, it makes it that much better
 -southern^shell---> is open forum 
 * fufu`ookami is now known as fantasy`sleeping-afc
 -southern^shell---> oooo i loveeeeee the way you put that sis
 * velvety_girl smiles at southern^shell
 * {kalina}EM smiles nodding
 -velvety_girl---> there is no more ultimate in this lifestyle, no matter what title you give it than that between Master and His girl
 -{kalina}EM---> oh yes that is wonderfully said and now i need a piece of cake
 -velvety_girl---> lol {kalina}EM
 * {kalina}EM pouts seeing her Master has not returned and settles for taking a bite of sweet shelly
 * {kalina}EM smiles since her dear is not here and if she allows
 -southern^shell---> I did these in a order ... to me Master being the strongest form ... then you also have things like Captor, Active Player, Bondager, BondageMaster the BondgeMaster is what Play`nSimple wants to be lol 
 * southern^shell whimpers as she nibbles
 -southern^shell---> nowwwwww sis! behave!
 -southern^shell---> I have to click the slides lol 
 * velvety_girl leans over and nibbles on the other side of southern^shell
 -Play`nSimple---> i do?
 * Play`nSimple smiles
 * lil_witchy licks shell from asshole to appetite then sits back and smiles
 -velvety_girl---> Play`nSimple.. what's Your thoughts on Master Sir?
 -southern^shell---> now silly question ..... why is it important to know the difernce between say a Sadist and a Dom 
 * {kalina}EM smiles warmly looking to velvety then lil witch
 -{kalina}EM---> OHOHOH
 * {kalina}EM raises her hand
* {kalina}EM hops around holding her hand up
-lil_witchy---> cuz if you aren't a masoo a sadist is a BIG different
 -Play`nSimple---> well they are very similar to whats been said about taking responsibility for someone elses life and all that that would entail
 * lil_witchy winks to kalina
 -velvety_girl---> goldp..i'm comfy and prefer to listen to the discussion but thanks for the pm
 -southern^shell---> I don't see the sadist being the same or close to a Dom 
 -{kalina}EM---> no JSUT a sadist
 -{kalina}EM---> wants to give pain not control or hold one close and such
 -{kalina}EM---> they just want someone to hit on and make scream
 -southern^shell---> yes a Sadist wants nothing more then to see the tears persay 
 -{kalina}EM---> a Dom they may want to whip and pinch and then just hold and love on but control that one in pain and pleasure alike
-fireblade---> lost`wolf Hey there come  on in and join the fun!
 -southern^shell---> lets to a quick look at a masochist, bottom, submissive, slave --- toss out everyone what you see 
 -southern^shell---> what you see each role to be 
 * southern^shell hugssss lost`wolf
 -lost`wolf---> hugss southern^shell
 -southern^shell---> a masochist to me doesn't give one hoot about submitting, they will contol to get what they want to feel the pain they crave .... a bottom is a role you take as the one not in control of a scene doesn't leave the bedroom and/or general term used to refer to all the yeilding positions ........ 
 * southern^shell clicks and kisses Play`nSimple *giggles* and thinks he is tooo quite
-southern^shell---> ... what do you see  a sub as heartsown and velvety_girl what would being a slave mean to you 
 -velvety_girl---> i consider myself sub at this point with strong slave tendencies because i do have limits.. i do strongly believe that once i find Master, those limits won't be needed because as His property He won't wish to do anything to cause me harm
 -lil_witchy---> in my own opinion.... a submissive is just that, her gift is given not taken...... but when she her trust in her Master is unlimited, so compleat....... she becomes His slave
 * Play`nSimple pipes up that his view of the perfect woman is southern^shell:) What more is there to know about subbies anyway????
 -southern^shell---> *giggles* and wonders what play wants but eats it up anyway *s* 
-southern^shell---> I agree soooooooo muuch with both 
 -southern^shell---> my thoughts are ...  needed because as His property He won't wish to do anything to 
 -southern^shell---> and then you have several levels inbetween 
 -southern^shell---> hi TiedTitMaster Sir welcome 
 -heartsown---> well with me, being submissive means i am completely devoted to my Mistress. i am there to take care of her, to give her everything that is me,  my honesty, my devotion, and my love. my only desire would be to make her happy.
* heartsown curls back up and watches
 -{kalina}EM---> but a slave in the dictionarey sense is to have no thought you have carried out unless the Master tells you
-{kalina}EM---> you do as told and nothiing else
 -{kalina}EM---> fully in that persons grasp life and daeth hense i could NEVER be a slave really
-southern^shell---> a true hard core slaave is property the only thoughts are the one she is allowed and she will do all that is asked there are no limits 
 * southern^shell snugs the lost`wolf up
 -velvety_girl---> that's why i feel like i am a sub with strong slave tendencies
 -heartsown---> i was a r/l slave at one time.  i was owned but i had my own thoughts but i guess it depends on the relationship you have with your Dom/me
 -southern^shell---> after this topic i will pull out the 9 levels for those who like 
 * velvety_girl pm's lost`wolf
 -southern^shell---> it is rather interesting 
 -lil_witchy---> exactly hearts, D/s is so individual afterall
 -{kalina}EM---> now yes it is
 -lil_witchy---> it depends on the Master and slave involved
 -southern^shell---> but now ... silly question again ... with the thoughts now of what each yeilding role is ... why would it be improtant to understand all the roles within the lifestyle 
 -lost`wolf---> hehe velvety_girl
 -lil_witchy---> because man(all of human kind) has a habit of ridiculing or destroying that which it does not understand
 -Play`nSimple---> well said lil_witchy
 -southern^shell---> velvety_girl -- a week - two or so ago there was a situation in the room, the gentleman leans more towards a Sadist then anything else and he got rather pushy you tried to respond to him in your submissive way 
 -velvety_girl---> you have to understand the different roles to know what you are looking for
 -southern^shell---> what happened 
 -lil_witchy---> thank You Play, Sir
 -southern^shell---> yes ... what your looking for and also sometimes to know how to handle a situation 
 -velvety_girl---> He was very pushy in His questions and even after i explained to Him that i prefer not discussing my personal info in an open room He still persisted
 -southern^shell---> he is a Sadist it turns him on
 -velvety_girl---> as a human, i wanted to tell Him to take a hike, but as a sub, i tried to be polite and respectful while holding to my own rules
 -southern^shell---> and honestly there is nothing wrong with take a hike ... to a sadist specialy 
 -lost`wolf---> me id have shoved his fist up his arse lol
 -velvety_girl---> but the deep submissive side of me wouldn't let me
 -lil_witchy---> what's wrong with a Dom who has a streak of sadism?
 * lil_witchy grins
 * {kalina}EM laughs softly
 -southern^shell---> and ya all I won't mention names cause he is a ok dude my maso side gets along great with him
 -{kalina}EM---> not anything if you like it lil witchy
 * lil_witchy kinda likes em that way
 -southern^shell---> ohhhhhhh nothing lil_witchy
 -velvety_girl---> there's nothing wrong with a Dom with a streak of sadism, its just not what i am seeking
 * Play`nSimple hides his head
 -southern^shell---> I LOVE Sadist!
 * velvety_girl pulls Play`nSimple's head out of hiding... NO hiding Sir
 -southern^shell---> but Sadist are use to masochist
 -southern^shell---> masochist tend to be a lil more agressive then a sub
 -velvety_girl---> exactly, and He had no way of knowing i'm not a masochist
 -lil_witchy---> i think all Doms have a touch of sadism.... or they wouldn't be able to think up some of the punishments they do
 -southern^shell---> LOL specially essays 
 -southern^shell---> akkkkkkkk hate em
 -lil_witchy---> or lists
 -lil_witchy---> lol
 -southern^shell---> lol
 -southern^shell---> but then that make all us subs masos
 -southern^shell---> lol
 -velvety_girl---> i love writing essays
 -southern^shell---> or we would be perfect not to get the punishment
 -lil_witchy---> just a touch or we wouldn't be able to put up with the Doms
 -lil_witchy---> lol
 -southern^shell---> lol i will have to see if I can find the 1000 words on why not to grrrr a Dom velvety_girl
 * velvety_girl giggles at southern^shell
 -southern^shell---> lol lil_witchy
33] -southern^shell---> I will give you another cyber to real life situation gone bad 
33] -velvety_girl---> i had to write a 1000 word essay on why you don't hide a flogger.. god you can only say it sooo many times
33] -southern^shell---> but tell me at the end of this who is at fault the Sadist or the sub or both 
33] -lil_witchy---> "i shouldn't hide the flogger cuz if i do i have to write a 1000 word essay"
33] * lost`wolf curls up and listens
 -velvety_girl---> exactly
 -southern^shell---> i have a real close friend who is a pleasure only slave she doesn't do pain would even freak on cyber spanking but for what ever reason she felt she was in love with a Sadist 
-velvety_girl---> that'll never work
 -southern^shell---> so one day they met .. hotel ... tried to tell her she wouldn't listen, he was very up front with what he did, liked and would do 
 -southern^shell---> he walked in the room grabed her by the hair and slaped her face took her to the bed and whiped her
 -southern^shell---> the saftey call she made to me was in tears
 -southern^shell---> and she to this day will not go back in the life style
 -lil_witchy---> oh geeeeeez
 -southern^shell---> who is at fault tho
 -{kalina}EM---> oh man
 -lil_witchy---> they were both at fault
 -{kalina}EM---> to a degree
 -southern^shell---> i agree --- both
 -{kalina}EM---> if He loved her He might have gently tried His ways
 -lil_witchy---> she did not listen and He did it knowing she wasn't in the mindset for it
 -{kalina}EM---> but she did know up front what He would do
 -{kalina}EM---> and He did what He said He would like a Dom does
 -{kalina}EM---> they say I will grab You
 -southern^shell---> he was honest -- he never claimed love and had several wenches as he called them
 -{kalina}EM---> and He did
 -{kalina}EM---> oh then unfortunately hers all the way
 -{kalina}EM---> if He never claimed to love her...and was upfront from the beginning...
 -southern^shell---> she didn't want to know what a Sadist was
 -southern^shell---> she kept thinking he wouldn't be like that with her
 -{kalina}EM---> it's like going to a tiger with a piece of raw meat knowing that it will eat it and YOU too
 -southern^shell---> exactly 
 -{kalina}EM---> unless He said He wouldn't then why would she
 -southern^shell---> now he is the bad guy tho
 -southern^shell---> for all most hear is he beat me
 * {kalina}EM nods
 -{kalina}EM---> that is NOT a good thing
 -lil_witchy---> they don't hear, "she asked for it"
 -southern^shell---> well no she didn't ask for it
 -southern^shell---> she was honest too 
 -lil_witchy---> but she did agree
 -lil_witchy---> where are safe words when ya need em
 -southern^shell---> she agreed to what she thought was going to happen reality was she had noooo clue what a sadist was about
 * Play`nSimple ponders this poor woman and hopes he dosent run into her
 -southern^shell---> Sadist don't use them often 
 -southern^shell---> not extreem
 * lil_witchy has to go now, 5am comes early
 -lost`wolf---> hugsss lil_witchy
 -lil_witchy---> hugs wolf :)
 -lil_witchy---> hugs shelly
 -southern^shell---> this is the best example i can give you of why it is important to understand all the forms of this lifestyle
 -{kalina}EM---> nini lil witchy
 -southern^shell---> hugsssssssssss lil_witchy 
 -southern^shell---> thank you sis
 -lil_witchy---> nitenite kalina
 -lil_witchy---> anytime sis, i'll be here tomorrow night too ;)
 -southern^shell---> Great Orator is good and he is running the show
 -lil_witchy---> cool :)
 -lil_witchy---> looking foreward to it
 * {kalina}EM does a happy dance
 -lil_witchy---> nite nite Play Sir ;)
 -{kalina}EM---> sorry going through my mail from the post office
 -Play`nSimple---> goodnight lil_witchy
 -lil_witchy---> be well A/all
 -velvety_girl---> nite lil_witchy
 -southern^shell---> ok anyone want to address the last part of this all ... Toping from bottom - SAM
 -lost`wolf---> okie im gonna crash
* southern^shell hugs lost`wolf
 * Play`nSimple also has to get home before he turns into a pumpkin....see ya all in a while :))
 -lost`wolf---> hugsss southern^shell
 * velvety_girl hugs lost`wolf... nite hon
 -lost`wolf---> hugss velvety_girl
 -lost`wolf---> hugass kalina
-southern^shell---> then we well turn thhe lights on and no more clicks lol
 -southern^shell---> lol okkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk falls to face
 -{kalina}EM---> brb
 -Play`nSimple---> ill be 1/2 hr or so southern^shell
 -southern^shell---> that wassssss done in very lil time lol
 -Play`nSimple---> indeed it was :)
 * southern^shell hugs Play`nSimple
 -Play`nSimple---> you put lots of work into it....thank you
 -Play`nSimple---> i enjoyed it very much:))

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