[19:55] * shelly^prepingsomething is now known as shelly^TopicLead
[19:56] <@lil_witchy> wb shelly
[19:56] <@shelly^TopicLead> hugs give me four min with Mike please 
[19:56] <@shelly^TopicLead> *giggles* 
[19:56] <@LordArcangel> hiya shelly
[19:56] <@lil_witchy> lol
 [20:02] * @LordArcangel kisses lil witchy and snuggles her tightly
[20:03] * @shelly^TopicLead comes in and hugs everyone
[20:04] * @LordArcangel huggles da shelly
 [20:04] * ChanServ sets mode: +h MikeT
[20:04] <%MikeT> Evening, folks...
[20:04] <@lil_lynx> hey MikeT Sir
[20:04] <%MikeT> Hey there, lil_lynx...   
[20:05] * @shelly^TopicLead curls up with Mike for a few lets everyone get settled
[20:05] * %MikeT grins at shelly^TopicLead... and smiles...
[20:05] * @lil_witchy snuggles close to LordArcangel
[20:06] <@shelly^TopicLead> ~Welcom to #The_Scene_Connection and #The_D/s_Parlors weekly Discussion/Forum. 
[20:06] * fufu`w|cb snuggles in and listens
[20:07] <@shelly^TopicLead> ~First would like to invite you to tune into #RisqueRadio click on this link to connect ~ http://sc3.audiorealm.com:12736/listen.pls; (if your on dail up pm shelly or lynx) sit back relax enjoy the discussion and some great music. 
[20:07] <@shelly^TopicLead> ~Upcoming events this week: We have extended our Auction, for more information do !Auction. Poetry share has been moved to Fridays come in and share your writings and/or enjoy others. Then Saturday is our adult games with the evening fun being our erotic game of Truth and Dare. 
[20:07] * @LordArcangel kisses lil witchy and listens
[20:07] <@shelly^TopicLead> ~General Guidelines for the Discussion is:
[20:07] <@shelly^TopicLead> ~State your view with out insulting, flaming, calling of names.  Views are welcome and need not be the same but must be presented in a manner that is courteous to all. 
[20:08] <@shelly^TopicLead> ~At times you may be asked to hold with a thought that is because it will be addressed shortly or is best left for the end of the presentation in the full discussion area. 
[20:08] * @lil_witchy purrrrrrrrrssssssss and smiles, listening
[20:08] <@shelly^TopicLead> ~If the room is placed in monitor state please take no offense this is so the presenter can either have control back or address the question at hand.  
[20:08] <@shelly^TopicLead> ~Most important enjoy, relax and after come over to #The_Scene_Connection and get hooked up. 
[20:09] <@shelly^TopicLead> ~Tonight’s Topic is Switches, what they really are; Understanding Switches.  We will have a presentation with some discussion and then open Forum. 
[20:09] <@shelly^TopicLead> ~The outline of the presentation/discussion will be:
[20:09] <@shelly^TopicLead> ~Definitions  (presentation) 
[20:09] <@shelly^TopicLead> ~Intro What is a switch (presentation) 
[20:09] <@shelly^TopicLead> ~Why do individuals Switch (open forum) 
[20:09] <@shelly^TopicLead> ~Does a switch top from the bottom or switch in the middle of a scene (open forum)
[20:09] <@shelly^TopicLead> ~Is a Switch really a submissive when taking the bottom role (open forum)
[20:09] <@shelly^TopicLead> ~Conclusion
[20:10] <@shelly^TopicLead> Definitions: 
[20:10] <@shelly^TopicLead> ~Switch - basic definition and we will define this more as we go is someone who switches between Top and Bottom roles, either from scene to scene or within a scene
[20:10] <@shelly^TopicLead> ~Top - for this purpose a Top will refer to an individual that takes a Dominate role.  That can be a Dom(mie), Mistress, Goddess, Lady, Master, Lord, Sire, Sadist, Top or what ever the individual may refer to their self as
[20:10] <@shelly^TopicLead> ~Bottom - to keep things simple also and from having to be so specific and state all roles a bottom in this discussion will refer to an individual whom takes a submissive roll
[20:10] <@shelly^TopicLead> ~D/s which by the way stands for Dominance/submission, BDSM is the B&D stands for Bondage and Discipline while S&M stands for Sadism and Masochism.
[20:11] <@shelly^TopicLead> is there any comments - questions to the terms *s* 
[20:11]  no sissy :D
[20:12] <@shelly^TopicLead> cool first we have basic defining then we are going to go into some open discussion *s* question ... and hugsssss kittie, how may switches do we have here tonight
[20:13]  laughs and hides
[20:13]  i think we killed them all :)
[20:13]  so that would be me LOL
[20:13] <@shelly^TopicLead> *giggles* we know you are sis .... 
[20:13] <@shelly^TopicLead> i know we did 
[20:13] <@shelly^TopicLead> lol Mike thinks I am one but naaaaaaaaaaa
[20:14]  lol
[20:14] <%MikeT> Well that's an interesting topic as well, shelly... One that we'll have to take up later tonight... in this discussion...
[20:14] <`rose> i kinda liked taking the lead in the scene i did with Phate this morning... and i have things i would like to experience... but am i a switch... i don't think so
[20:14] <@shelly^TopicLead> omg noo we don't need to take it up *giggles* 
[20:15] <@shelly^TopicLead> cool ... did some research and reading 
[20:15] <%MikeT> Well, let me ask the question, rose... And/or shelly... .what do you mean by switch?  Do you mean the simple act of controlling the scene?  Or do you mean deriving pleasure from the power of doing the controlling?
[20:15] <@shelly^TopicLead> pulled what i thought was important ... ya all want to see it 
[20:15] <@shelly^TopicLead> thinks on that one till later
[20:16] * fufu`w|cb smiles and listens
[20:16] * lil_witchy sets mode: -o lil_witchy
[20:16] <%MikeT> I think that's an important distinction, no?
[20:17] <@shelly^TopicLead> yepper thinking on it and what i do 
[20:17]  depends on the person though Mike
[20:17] <`rose> sorry... only partially here... i'm mostly in TSC :))
[20:18]  for me its a bit of both Mike, but its the power exchange when you get down to it
[20:18] <@shelly^TopicLead> ... ok my notes on all this then we go back to it lol will give me time to think 
[20:18]  if its just controlling the scene then isn't just about everyone a switch? everyone can go through the movements, no? ... unless I'm misinterpreting here.
[20:19] <%MikeT> Well that's the thing, shanira... Does going through the motions make you a switch?  Or do you have to enjoy it
[20:19]  you have to enjoy it. I've switched before and while I found teasing a sub to be kinda awesome, once I got down to it I was thoroughly unconvinced in any actual dominating and didn't really enjoy it all that much.
[20:20]  I can Domme someone, but once it comes down to the nitty gritty I dont think I enjoy myself so I cant call myself a switch.
[20:20] * %MikeT nods... and listens to shanira...
[20:21] <%MikeT> Well I tend to agree with that definition, shanira.. but... I think it's an important distinction... ;)
[20:21] * shanira nods
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[20:21]  hello A/all :)
[20:21]  but I think everyone can go through the motion regardless of enjoyment, so enjoyment must make the switch, otherwise everyone's a switch. if that makes sense
[20:21]  one moment
[20:21] <%MikeT> Makes perfect sense to me, shanira...
[20:22]  if you dont enjoy dom'ing... youre not a switch
[20:22]  its that easy, just like if you dont enjoy submission youre not a sub
[20:22]  one would think the act of Domming or submitting would have to fill a need within a person, like it does with subs and Doms who are strictly Dom or sub
[20:22]  or vice versa lol i lean more sub sooo
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[20:22]  shelly hon
[20:23] <@shelly^TopicLead> yepper *s&
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[20:23]  there you are... did you have anything to define a lil better?
[20:23] <@shelly^TopicLead> yes i do I read alot of articles 
[20:23] * fufu`w|cb hands the floor back to shelly
[20:23] <@shelly^TopicLead> pulled out some common stuff i would like to share and then open floor back up 
[20:24] <@shelly^TopicLead> ~The BDSM/D/s community sometimes can be very open and at others they are sometimes very closed to what they see out of the expectable norm.  There are several types of Tops and bottoms.  Then you have those whom enjoy switching
[20:24] <@shelly^TopicLead> ~ The D/s-BDSM community however you will find some that look down on those who switch. A common belief is they should make up your mind on rather they want to be a Top or bottom. 
[20:24] <@shelly^TopicLead> ~Our scene is supposed to be accepting of all kinks. To me all should be able to freely express who they are and if it they want to switch great, have fun!
[20:24] <@shelly^TopicLead> ~The easiest way to see a Switch is one of three ways. A Top Switch (subs but switches to a Top), a bottom switch (Is a Top but switches to a bottom) and a split Switch (no set Top or bottom role). Majority of Switches fall into the first two roles. The switch will have a primary role be it Top or bottom and a secondary one that is opposite. 
[20:25] <@shelly^TopicLead> ~ Switches are like anyone else in the lifestyle they have strong belief's, feelings, hopes, desires and dreams, just like everyone else. 
[20:25] <@shelly^TopicLead> ~A lot of times you will see that a switches will have a primary mate that they are either Top or bottom to. Most of their time is spent with the primary individual and then they switch as the secondary role. Some will be equal it will very for each person. 
[20:25] <@shelly^TopicLead> ~Some will state that people whom switch don’t understand BDSM - however it can be stated that they have a better understanding because they are familiar with and have experience with both sides.  
[20:25] <@shelly^TopicLead> ~A switch will not be in a scene as a bottom and then suddenly decide that they are going to be Top.  No mater what this is Topping from the bottom.  A switch will only be a the role that is decided upon prior to the scene and maintains that role through out. 
[20:26] <@shelly^TopicLead> one of the best links i read i thought was http://www.xeromag.com/fvbdswitch.html
[20:26] <@shelly^TopicLead> *giggles* and lets everyone catch up 
[20:27] <@shelly^TopicLead> Welcome lysette_ and Sir_Piper
[20:27] <@shelly^TopicLead> Mike .... as for the answer to your question and I am going to repaste that 
[20:28] <@shelly^TopicLead>  <%MikeT> Well, let me ask the question, rose... And/or shelly... .what do you mean by switch?  Do you mean the simple act of controlling the scene?  Or do you mean deriving pleasure from the power of doing the controlling?
[20:28] * %MikeT listens to shelly.. and nods...
[20:28] <@shelly^TopicLead> for me it is a bit more complicated and no the pleasure isn't from controlling honestly 
[20:28]  need to brb
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[20:28] * %MikeT smiles... and listens to shelly...
[20:29] <%MikeT> So, tell us what it is for you, shelly... since you obviously play the Domme fairly often... ;)
[20:29] <@shelly^TopicLead> I am going to break my answer into two parts for there is the play Dommie when i do it for my bros or sis's and then there is when I am more controlling to another for a Dom
[20:29] <@shelly^TopicLead> Play Dommie is just that ... it has two purposes 
[20:30] <@shelly^TopicLead> One is for the pleasure of the person that I am doing it for.  I don't take pleasure in it I do all for them to make them happy 
[20:30]  sorry i was suddenly afk..
[20:31] <@shelly^TopicLead> I really am not Domming I am Topping for the moment and it gives me a chance to understand things from a Dom's point of view 
[20:32] <@shelly^TopicLead> I know what to do only cause I know what I would like and enjoy if you get outside the realm of what i like as a subbie then I have a hard time even as a Play Dommie 
[20:32] <@shelly^TopicLead> Then there is when a Dom likes to see me topping
[20:33] * +Sir_Piper likes to see you on top,,, OF HIM!!! lol
[20:33] * %MikeT nods... to shelly...
[20:33] * fufu`w|cb swats Piper
[20:33] <@shelly^TopicLead> OMG that has not alot to do with me at all .. yes it turns me on but the turn on isn't the Topping control part
[20:33] <@shelly^TopicLead> It is knowing how wild it is making the person i am doing it for 
[20:33] <+Sir_Piper> woohohoooo...
[20:33]  hi foofie
[20:34] * fufu`w|cb waves to kitty :)
[20:34]  anyways toodles:) *snugs foofie and shells
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[20:34] <+Sir_Piper> couldnt resist that one..
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[20:35] <@shelly^TopicLead> so am i getting pleasure from the control - not really I am taking pleasure in pleasing someing and taking time to understand the other role better
[20:35] <@shelly^TopicLead> Does that make sense?
[20:35] <%MikeT> I understand you completely, shelly... does that ring true with the others in the room?
[20:36]  for shelly
[20:36]  does to me.
[20:36]  me its a dif story... but then again i *am* a switch
[20:36] <@shelly^TopicLead> exactly fufu you are a switch you take the pleasure in it 
[20:36] <+Sir_Piper> no you aint!!!,, you are a fufu!!!!
[20:36] * fufu`w|cb smiles, all bear has to do is kneel and im lost :)
[20:37] * %MikeT might be close to shelly's kind of switch... except that I don't actually "play" the submissive role...
[20:37] * fufu`w|cb smiles
[20:38] <@LordArcangel> I was trained by a sub believe it or not lol 
[20:38] <%MikeT> Makes perfect sense to me, LordArcangel...
[20:39] <@LordArcangel> so I don't need to slip into a sub role to understand a suv
[20:39] * fufu`w|cb chuckles you werent just trained by a sub Bro lol
[20:39] <@LordArcangel> sub^
[20:39] * %MikeT tends to be Dominant primarily for the pleasure of the submissive... Enjoying what I can do to/for her rather than what is done for me....
[20:39] <@LordArcangel> is how I am
[20:39]  one needs to be a sub to understand a sport utility vehickle? cool :)
[20:39]  lol mindy
[20:39] <@LordArcangel> I can adapt to a subs needs to a certain point
[20:40] <@shelly^TopicLead> Mike ... you derive pleasure yourself as a Top though 
[20:41] <%MikeT> Oh, no question.    
[20:41] <@shelly^TopicLead> see I don't
[20:41] <%MikeT> I know, sweet shelly... I understand... 
[20:42] <%MikeT> Just as I don't derive pleasure from the act of serving... but from the pleasuring of a girl through controlling her...
[20:42] <@shelly^TopicLead> lol mindy 
[20:42] <@shelly^TopicLead> exactly MikeT and mine comes ultimatly frim serving 
[20:42] <@shelly^TopicLead> from
[20:42] <@shelly^TopicLead> lol
[20:42] <@shelly^TopicLead> so I am not as fufu I am not a switch 
[20:44] <@shelly^TopicLead> fufu ... now you actually probally play a 50 - 50 role 
[20:44]  actully im a top switch hon
[20:44]  but
[20:44] <@shelly^TopicLead> i was trying to figure that out when reading through all this
[20:44]  bear is as well, so i take the more dominant role with him
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[20:45] <@shelly^TopicLead> hi Altare 
[20:45]  good evening A/all
[20:45]  hello shelly^TopicLead
[20:45] <@shelly^TopicLead> what do you find the hardest thing as a switch fufu
[20:46]  finding the right balance
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[20:46]  sorry...
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[20:46] <@shelly^TopicLead> never would of thought that one 
[20:46] <@shelly^TopicLead> *s* 
[20:47] <%MikeT> Finding the right balance in what sense, fufu?
[20:47]  more like when i want to sub but know bear cant handle dom'ing, its hard to push what i want aside and do whats right for "us"
[20:47] * ChanServ sets mode: +o Tarlsson
[20:47] * fufu`w|cb smiles up at Tarlsson
[20:48] * @Tarlsson chuckles and smiles back to fufu
[20:48] * shanira could comment on that, though not from personal experience but observation of staying with a 50/50 switch couple for a while
[20:48] * fufu`w|cb whispers a quiet wb to him and inches closer
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[20:49] * +Sir_Piper whispers hi to Tarl and tickleme,,, and listens..
[20:49] * Altare finds a nice seat, and listens with intrest
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[20:49] <@Tarlsson> hi Sir_Piper
[20:49]  can I? ^^; dont want to steal the floor, lol
[20:49]  does that make sense Mike?
[20:49] <@shelly^TopicLead> how about people respecting you when you are a Dommie 
[20:49] <@Tarlsson> welcome, ticklemeslut
[20:50]  let shanira share for a moment sis, ill come back to that k?
[20:50] <@shelly^TopicLead> (if anyone would like a copy of the initial Presentation please let me know) 
[20:50]  thank You Tarlsson
[20:50] <@Suhailah> Moi, please shell
[20:50] <%MikeT> I suppose it does, fufu`w|cb... Though... given that I have little experience with people who truly want to switch... it's not something that I'm familiar with...
[20:50] <%MikeT> Even the switch women who I know... were Domme with women.. submissive for men....
[20:50] <@Tarlsson> lol..obviously I need to catch up...please send it to mee
[20:50] * ticklemeslut whispers hi to Sir_Piper
[20:51] * shelly^TopicLead sets mode: +v MS^^Vette
[20:51]  well, this may sound a bit derogative (but its not meant that way at all), but after seeing them together I was kinda glad I was at one end of the spectrum. not between. because from what I could tell they were either in a dom mood or a sub mood at a time, sometimes that clashes, and I could tell it lead to big frustrations sometimes and strain on their relationship.
[20:52]  if both are in a dom mood, it just doesn't work, and things explode spectacularly in a worst case scenario.
[20:52] * Tarlsson sets mode: +v Altare
[20:52] * +Sir_Piper raises his hand for next..
[20:52] <+MS^^Vette> agrees with shanira
[20:52]  it can shanira if the couple and compromise
[20:52] * +Altare wonders what the + is for, lol
[20:53]  just means dominant Altare :)
[20:53] <+Altare> ahhhhhhhhh ok
[20:53]  couple cant^
[20:53]  cant type lol
[20:53] * shanira nods
[20:53]  bear and i run into that on occassion but its from the other end
[20:53]  we're both more submissive sooooooo
[20:53]  and on the same hand they cant share their whole life with either a sub or a dom cause then they're completely unsatisfied in one or both areas, so from what I as a non switch could tell a switch-switch combo is best, but will still lead to occasional stress.
[20:53]  we never get anywhere LOL
[20:53]  oh yeah, sub/sub can be just as bad, lol.
[20:55]  and yes shanira, it takes work to be in a switch/switch relationship
[20:55]  alot of work
[20:55] * shanira nods
[20:55] <%MikeT> Well, fufu... to be fair... it takes a lot of work to be in ANY relationship...
[20:55]  so I wouldn't give switches crap, they have enough stress to deal with IMHO
[20:55]  Piper, you wished to speak?
[20:55]  yes it does Mike.. but if there are defined roles... like you and shell, you are Dom and she is sub
[20:56]  theres no "muddling" there
[20:56] <+Sir_Piper> I just want to say that as I see it,, Top, bottom or switch it should be irrelevant to those that watch..
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[20:56] <+Altare> hurrrrrrm, I guess that depends on how the relationship is conducted, nad the natures of the people in it
[20:56]  how so Piper?
[20:56] <+Altare> and* even
[20:56] <+Sir_Piper> you accept them as they see themselves,,,not as you think they should be..
[20:56] <%MikeT> I suppse that's true fufu...
[20:56]  well of course Piper
[20:57]  but as much as i hate to say it, switches arent well received most times
[20:57] <+Sir_Piper> I do not think switch are that way because they are unsure of themselves,, more the opposite I would say..
[20:57] <`rose> that's too bad really. some people are fully tops, some are solely bottoms... the rest are both
[20:58] <+Altare> are W/we talking about in the bedroom if I may ask ?
[20:58] * @Suhailah looks at rose and smacks her butt back into the scene
[20:58]  bedroom or out of it Altare
[20:58]  depends on the couple
[20:59] <+Altare> hurrrm, well as I see it W/we are all switches out of the bed room, no matter how much W/we would like to think otherwise, lol
[20:59]  im mostly a bedroom submissive with my husband, outside of it im more dom.... with bear it fluxuates, even when we're together rl
[21:00] <+Sir_Piper> you are right about out of the bedroom Altare especially in r/l
[21:00] <+Altare> well I asumed W/we were talking about r/l
[21:01]  well we're all real ppl so even online is rl personalities imo
[21:01] <+Sir_Piper> online who would know the difference?
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[21:01] <+Altare> true enough, and on lime relationships can be as meaningfull as r/l as well, but they are different
[21:01]  i would, to myself
[21:02]  shelly
[21:02] <@shelly^TopicLead> yes 
[21:03] <+Sir_Piper> sure ,, to yourself,,, but should it matter to anyone else online,, 
[21:03] <+Altare> if I am butting in, just tell Me to shut up, lol
[21:03]  what was the question you asked me again?
[21:03] <@shelly^TopicLead> well i am talking real and online 
[21:04] <+Sir_Piper> I can really only speak of online,, in r/l my relationship is one which borders between vanilla and D/s..and strictly between my wife and myself..
[21:05] <@shelly^TopicLead> my question
[21:05] <+Sir_Piper> online,, I accept everyone as they present themselves....
[21:05] * fufu`w|cb listens
[21:05] * @Tarlsson listens as well
[21:05] * +Sir_Piper does too
[21:05] <+Altare> man could I get into trouble in this room, lol
[21:05] <@shelly^TopicLead> it was rather you found it hard when you were Dommie that people respect you as one when they know you are also sub
[21:06] <@shelly^TopicLead> why Altare were pretty open and flexible
[21:06] <@Tarlsson> in this environment one could misconstrue that as "playing" a game
[21:06]  ok
[21:06] <@Tarlsson> that is why communication is so necessary...and complicated
[21:07] <@Tarlsson> people do sometimes tend to see things as "black and white" rather than shades of grey
[21:07] <+Altare> well I just guess I don't see a difference between D/s relationships and anyother type
[21:07]  acutally ive had both friends and strangers look down on me, telling me im NOT a dominant, mostly cuz i dont fit their view of one
[21:07] * %MikeT laughs with Altare...
[21:07] <%MikeT> What makes you think you'd be in trouble, Altare?  
[21:07] <+Altare> it's the people that are different ;)
[21:08] <@shelly^TopicLead> Altare your right --- the only diffence is that we addmit someone is more Dominante
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[21:08] <+Sir_Piper> not meaning to make light of the discussion fufu,,, but tell those people to come see me,,, I can vouch for the dominant part..
[21:08] <@shelly^TopicLead> fufu --- how do you over come people looking down or shamming you 
[21:09] <+Altare> it's the people that see the opertunaty to exploite D/s to depen the understanding of their partner, if that makes any sens
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[21:09] * quic[K]silver is now known as DJ`Smokey
[21:09] <@shelly^TopicLead> welcome Smokey *s* 
[21:09] <+Altare> but as I see it, D/s is at the very core of all human interaction
[21:09]  honestly... i react badly if its someone i consider a friend, normally i end up in tears until bear or OE tells me too look at my relationships... if bears happy with my domme side, who gives a shit what anyone else thinks... its been helping some
[21:09]  hi Smokey :)
[21:09]  :)
[21:10]  thanks shelly
[21:10]  heya ticklemeslut
[21:10] <@shelly^TopicLead> Tune into the lovely Dj Smokey; her sexy deep voice will entice you and leave you wanting more! Young and sweet full of energy always open for request and eager to please her listeners ~~ http://sc3.audiorealm.com:12736/listen.pls brought to you by #RisqueRadio, playing primarily rock/hard rock/metal with some rap, juggalo shit and more ~~ connect via winamp, realplayer10, Itunes
[21:10] <+Sir_Piper> OE is right fufu,,,
[21:10]  do I really have a deep voice shelly?
[21:10] * DJ`Smokey hates my voice
[21:10]  i know he is, but that doesnt stop the inner me being hurt by a friends callousness Piper
[21:11]  must be from eating all that pussy
[21:11] * Retrieving #the_d/s_parlor modes...
[21:12]  and honestly.....
[21:12] <@Tarlsson> But in reality, we face being in D/s situations all the time
[21:12] <@Tarlsson> and sometimes we Dom
[21:12] <@Tarlsson> and sometimes we sub
[21:12]  im just now exploring my dominant side more fully. my ex Master didnt allow that side out
[21:12] <@Tarlsson> we see it in here...but it happens as work, school, with our children, etc.
[21:13]  yes it does Sir
[21:14] <@Tarlsson> so to state we are always D or s isn't true
[21:14] <@Tarlsson> we as human beings adapt
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[21:14] <@Tarlsson> in that regard, we are all switches
[21:14] <@shelly^TopicLead> hello Hazor 
[21:15]  hello
[21:15] * shelly^TopicLead is now known as southern^shell
[21:15] * fufu`ookami smiles
[21:15] <@southern^shell> Hazor have you gone by HaZoR
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[21:15] <+Altare> well I was born with a great many Don traits, yet I had to submitt just to use this room, lol
[21:15]  hi there
[21:15] <@lil_lynx> hello MstrJoe Sir
[21:15]  yes
[21:15] <@Tarlsson> true enough...we all had to follow the rules
[21:15]  well we're talking more D/s, BDSM based switching
[21:16] <@Tarlsson> lol...
[21:16] * MstrJoe smiles at lil_lynx
[21:16] * @lil_lynx smiles at MstrJoe
[21:16] <@Tarlsson> yes, there is a difference
[21:16]  definately a difference.. now for example
[21:16] * @Tarlsson listens
[21:16]  id gladly dominate my bear....
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[21:17] * fufu`ookami peeks up at Tarlsson Sir, i wouldnt think of doming you cuz thats now how our relationship is, youre the dominant, our roles are more "structured" for lack of a better word
[21:17] <@Tarlsson> ok fufu
[21:17] <@Tarlsson> please explain...
[21:18] * fufu`ookami thinks...
[21:18] <@Tarlsson> what is it in your relationship with bear that brings the Domme to the surface
[21:18]  he submits to me
[21:18] <@Tarlsson> versus the sub to the surface when you are with me
[21:18]  he makes it very clear he wants that side of me
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[21:19] <@Tarlsson> ok...that's interesting
[21:19] * fufu`ookami waves to Ell as he joins the convo
[21:19]  does that make sense Tarlsson Sir?
[21:19] <@Tarlsson> so in turn, I make it clear to you that I want to Dom you?
[21:19]  im not good at putting it into words sometimes
[21:19] <@Tarlsson> from your perspective?
[21:19]  yes Sir
[21:19]  hey shell thanks for the help the other night.. my son seen that I was trying to call and returned my call THANKS  :)
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[21:19] * ChanServ sets mode: +v LordofORings
[21:19]  and im more sub so thats my natural tendency anyways
[21:19] <@Tarlsson> ok...
[21:20] <@Tarlsson> hmmmm
[21:20] <@Tarlsson> bear lowers himself to you, explicitly...
[21:20] <@Tarlsson> whether verbal or nonverbal
[21:20]  yes Sir, he'll kneel or just make it clear hes in a submissive role
[21:21] <@Tarlsson> you are able to pick up even subtle cues
[21:21]  yes
[21:21]  cuz his are like mine, we're alot alike in our sub sides
[21:21] * Suhailah sets mode: +vvv DJ`Smokey Master^Ell MstrJoe
[21:21] <+DJ`Smokey> ::DJ`Smokey is live on air at #RisqueRadio, if you have a request feel free to pm me::
[21:21] <@Tarlsson> ahh...so there is an unspoken connection that allow you sight into him
[21:22]  yes Sir :) that and we've been together almost a yr online, and  had some time rl as well
[21:22]  so we read each other fairly well
[21:22] <@Tarlsson> and that same connection, to a certain degree...
[21:22] <@Tarlsson> you have that with me as well
[21:22] <@Tarlsson> even without rl
[21:22]  yes :)
[21:23] <@Suhailah> Just wanna say real fast before I have to post in TSC again... that alot of Doms see Dominas as switches, capped or no... and that gets My knickers in a bunch...  why is that???
[21:23]  youve been able to read the "map" very well
[21:23] <+Master^Ell> Yes but do u have a naked pic of her??
[21:23] * @Tarlsson grins
[21:23] <@Tarlsson> you give a very direct route my dear
[21:23]  cuz they assume that fem Dom's ARE switches Suh
[21:23]  ... people really do that?
[21:23] * shanira is shocked
[21:23] * fufu`ookami yes shanira they do
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[21:24] <@Suhailah> not this Fem Dom...
[21:24] <%MikeT> Many do shanira... And no... it's not right... 
[21:24] <%MikeT> But... to be fair... a greater proportion of women are switch given a Domme name... than are men... at least in my experience...
[21:24] * fufu`ookami smiles and snuggles against Tarlsson's legs
[21:24] <+Master^Ell> Many paint a target on Fem doms wanting a test of will and try to make a fem dom submit...
[21:25]  yes, very few men admit to being switch
[21:25]  Master^Ell: Sounds like its a kink when you put it that way.
[21:25]  and bear's run into that side... ppl think hes weak cuz he'll submit to a fem
[21:25] * @Tarlsson smiles and pulls fufu into my lap and nibbles her ear
[21:25] * fufu`ookami snuggles happily against him and purrsss
[21:25]  like a fantasy of breaking down a proud strong dominant woman into a quivering little sub, and in doing so becoming Uber-Dom! Red cape and all. <_< sorry, that last bit is my imagination going haywire.
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[21:25] <+Master^Ell> It can be... but hey live and let live just fuxk me once in awhile so I can enjoy it..;)
[21:26] <+Altare> I have a great deal of respect for true Dom women
[21:26] <@Suhailah> I actually prefer playing with men who are mostly sub.. been burnt by too many switches unfortunately
[21:26] <+Altare> and I have learned a great deal from them
[21:26]  lol shanira, but yes thats some "doms" idea of a fem dom
[21:26] * @Tarlsson nods
[21:26]  that's very sad then, and if anyone ever does that to my gf this meek little sub will bite them >:E
[21:26] * +MstrJoe (xxxxx.@bondage-hidden-7AB826B8.houston.res.rr.com) Quit (Quit: )
[21:26]  giggles
[21:27] * +Sir_Piper smiles
[21:27] <+Altare> lol
[21:27] <@Tarlsson> some people just don't take time to understand
[21:27] <+Sir_Piper> well,, I have run out of two cents worth to put in,,, it has been fun,,, take care all..
[21:27] <@Tarlsson> either they don't care
[21:27] <@Tarlsson> be well, Piper
[21:27]  take care Piper
[21:27] <+Altare> nite Sir_Piper
[21:27] <@Tarlsson> or they don't want to care
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[21:28] <+Master^Ell> Me too... gotta feed da fat face.  night all...
[21:28]  they dont care Tarlsson Sir, most are just hng's that want to get a load off
[21:28] <+Master^Ell> Hey fuf can u pm me a sec??
[21:28]  kk Ell Sir huggss
[21:28]  sure :)
[21:28] <@Tarlsson> precisely
[21:28] <@LordArcangel> well A/all I am off to bed
[21:28] <@Tarlsson> so they will do whatever to get what they want
[21:28] <+Altare> this is an interesting room :)
[21:29] * @LordArcangel kisses lil witchy softly and whispers good night
[21:29]  yes exactly
[21:29]  brb
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[21:29] * lil_witchy presses close "Goodnight Sir"
[21:29] <+Altare> kinda glad I stoped by
[21:29] * fufu`ookami smiles ty Altare :)
[21:29] <@Tarlsson> and their actions damage the truehearts
[21:29] * @LordArcangel squeezes lil witchy tightly and whispers see you tomorrow
[21:29] <@Tarlsson> nite Altare
[21:30] <@southern^shell> nite Altare
[21:30]  they can Sir if they arent strong enough to slap them down
[21:30] * lil_witchy purrs and licks LordArcangel's ear "yes Sir"
[21:30] <@LordArcangel> bye Sissy wuvs ya
[21:30] <+Altare> am I leavin, lol
[21:30]  lol not sure
[21:30]  lol
[21:30]  im lost :D
[21:30] <@Tarlsson> lol...tis ok
[21:30] <+Altare> I thought I was just mailin an observation, lol
[21:31]  giggles
[21:31] * @LordArcangel smiles and carresses witchy's face softly as I walk out the door
[21:31] <+Altare> makin* even
[21:31]  ooo LAs leavin
[21:31] * @LordArcangel byeee
[21:31]  lol i knew somone was :D
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[21:31] * @Tarlsson grins and gives fufu a spank
[21:31] * lil_witchy chuckles
[21:31] * fufu`ookami yips
[21:31]  ok ummmm shelly
[21:31] * @Suhailah winks and slips out
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[21:32] <+Altare> maybe now would be a good time to mention that I cant spell or type to save My twisted lil soul, lol
[21:32]  lol neither can i , i just fake it well :)
[21:32] <@Tarlsson> lol
[21:32]  lol
[21:32] <+Master^Ell> night all and remember " If u think u have a big dick..spit it out,, its not yours."
[21:32]  lol Ell
[21:32] <@Tarlsson> LOL
[21:32]  lol
[21:32]  lol
[21:32] <+Master^Ell> night
[21:33] <+Altare> lol
[21:33]  nite Sir
[21:33] * +Master^Ell (bab5@bondage-hidden-DEC5179F.hu.sd.cox.net) has left #the_d/s_parlor
[21:33]  wellllll, anyone else have any other comments, questions or the like? :D
[21:34] * @Tarlsson grins
[21:34] <+Altare> are conversations like this one common in this room, if I may ask ?
[21:34] <@Tarlsson> we have discussions like this every week
[21:34]  we do discussion nite with a set topic once a week Altare
[21:34] <+Altare> cool
[21:34]  next one is next wensday
[21:34]  ummm not sure if poetry nite has moved  yet
[21:35]  used to be thurs, i know its moving to fridays  here shortly
[21:35] <+Altare> should be a great way for people new to the lifestyle to get a feel for it
[21:36]  yes and we do have a yahoo group with past dicussions and "helps" on it if youd like to peek Altare
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[21:37] <+Altare> I just may do that
[21:37] <@Tarlsson> we would welcome your next visit for discussion Altare
[21:37] <@southern^shell> Tune into the lovely Dj Smokey; her sexy deep voice will entice you and leave you wanting more! Young and sweet full of energy always open for request and eager to please her listeners ~~ http://sc3.audiorealm.com:12736/listen.pls brought to you by #RisqueRadio, playing primarily rock/hard rock/metal with some rap, juggalo shit and more ~~ connect via winamp, realplayer10, Itunes
[21:38] <+Altare> nice to find a place were E/everyone doesn't think D/s is some kina wichcraft voodoo thing, lol
[21:38]  we also have a scening channel Altare :) thats where alot of us are most nites :)
[21:39] <+Altare> I will have to go afk for a bit, but I will returne
[21:39]  ill have that link when you come back Altare :)
[21:39] * Altare is now known as Altare_afk
[21:39] <+Altare_afk> that would be great thank you fufu`ookami
[21:39]  yw :)
[21:42]  so the switch discussion is closed? ^^;

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