4189

Knitlist Digest Tuesday, October 31 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 4189

In this issue of the KnitList Digest:

Knit: copyright ???         ["Kenneth L.Houghtaling" <kentkg@netscape.net>]
Knit: IK Gingham Check Sweater    [Elizabeth Geigel <egeigel@monmouth.com>]
Knit: Re: guilds and pattern use        [Dawn Brocco <dbdesign@ulster.net>]
Knit: knit - MA guild meeting                           [BarJMeyer@aol.com]
Knit: KNIT: the "final" word on copyright.... ["Sara & David Sharpe" <das]
Knit: Enough!!!!!!!!!!!                                 [NANAKNITZ@aol.com]
Re: Knit: KNIT: the "final" word on copyright....          [kriket@iwc.net]
Knit: Intersia Boo-Boo                                  [JDubberly@aol.com]
Knit: copyright ????        ["Kenneth L.Houghtaling" <kentkg@netscape.net>]
Knit: Knit - the C word            ["Sue Hulbert" <shulbert@ix.netcom.com>]
Knit: Looking for an event                               [GRACERDH@aol.com]
Knit: Re: Knitlist Digest V2000 #4188                      [LHDCTD@aol.com]
Knit: Ladybugs                  [Monique Richard <moniquerichard@home.com>]
Knit: Flowers or Balloons for Sweaters!! [Sharon Boggs <sboggs@iland.net>]
Knit: A UFO becomes a FO                          ["cat" <cat@postnet.com>]
Knit: RE: Yarns for beginning knitters [Jill Vosburg <jvosburg@worldnet.a]
Re: Knit: Re: guilds and pattern use [Sarah and Jamie <brink909@iaccess.c]
Knit:KL Calendar Update, Workshop, Dolls for Packaging ["Paulette Lane" <]
Re: Knit: KNIT: the "final" word on copyright....        [dandot@flash.net]
Knit: Oh, Happy Day!          [Christine Evelyn Squires <ces@teleport.com>]
Knit: Shell Pattern                [Margaret Reinke <miggie@humboldt1.com>]
Knit: ICQ Knitchats November schedule       ["DANDEE" <dandee@inetone.net>]
Knit: Lily Chin's shawl in Knitters & help needed for Christmas gift [Jan]

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Date: 30 Oct 00 17:38:21 EST
From: "Kenneth L.Houghtaling" <kentkg@netscape.net>
Subject: Knit: copyright ???

Hi all: Just a question about copyrights. How long do they last or are =
they
in affect? =

Thanks!!

Happy Knitting!!!

Ken TKG The Knitting Grandpa in Chester, CT, USA

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Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 17:43:11 -0400
From: Elizabeth Geigel <egeigel@monmouth.com>
Subject: Knit: IK Gingham Check Sweater

Hi Knitfriends, some insight needed here. The gingham check sweater I must
make from the latest IK ( page 38) has two kit prices in the magazine: $
213, including buttons, and $177 ( from Barkim). I never bought a kit
before, has anyone had positive experiences with Barkim? The difference in
price seems a lot for five buttons. TIA, Betty in Middletown, NJ

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Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 18:42:17 -0400
From: Dawn Brocco <dbdesign@ulster.net>
Subject: Knit: Re: guilds and pattern use

Knitlist Digest10/30/00 6:28 PMowner-knitlist-digest@kniton.com

> So, what do you do when a fellow knitter, whether at a guild or elsewhere,
> passes out photocopies of a pattern to 25 or 30 people and asks (jokingly
> insists) that the pattern be a group project? Do you ask if the designer's
> permission has been obtained? Do you simply not participate?
>
> Well, enough rambling. Maybe talking about it will get me to do that sleeve
> blocking today.
>
> Marjess

Yes, Marjess, please DO ask if the designer has been contacted.

I have been contacted by several guilds about using patterns that were mine
or mine that I designed for a mag. As long as they meet mine or the mag's
requirements, it's fine.

If they value *C*, they *should* make it known to the group that the
designer has been contacted, so that his/her/their *C* has not been
infringed upon, By not stating that, thoughts to the contrary are naturally
evoked in conscientious minds. But, if conscientious minds do not speak up,
if something less than forthright is going on, they will get away with it.
I'd certainly have no qualms about embarrasing someone into doing the right
thing, if that's what it took! And, if the designer has, indeed, been
contacted, you get to breathe a sigh of relief, and maybe others there who
aren't aware of *C* WILL become aware of it.

Happy Knitting!
Dawn Brocco
in the mid-Hudson Valley of New York State
dbdesign@ulster.net
http://www.dawnbrocco.com
original handknitting patterns, yarns and soon to be published,
"Heels and Toes Gazette", my "socks only" newsletter with patterns,
reviews, and gobs of knitting info.

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Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 18:47:23 EST
From: BarJMeyer@aol.com
Subject: Knit: knit - MA guild meeting

Hi Knitters,

The Nashoba Valley Knitter's Guild will hold its next meeting on Wednesday,
November 1 at 7:00 PM in the Hapgood Room in the Harvard Public Library.
This months meeting will feature Judith Shangold who will introduce her
technique for designing and using patchwork strips. If you bring two knitted
swatches you can try your hand at Judith's invisible seaming techniques.

At the same time, come and view the finally completed Great American Afghan,
which is destined to become a housewarming gift to a Habitat for Humanity
family whose new home is being built in our area.

Harvard is located near the intersection of Routes 2 and 495 in central
Massachusetts, about 35 miles west of Boston, 25 miles east of Worcester and
about 20 miles south of New Hampshire

All interested knitters, beginners through expert are welcome to join us.
For more information or directions, email me off-list.

Barbara in Harvard, MA USA

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Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 18:56:50 -0500
From: "Sara & David Sharpe" <dasharpe@gte.net>
Subject: Knit: KNIT: the "final" word on copyright....

Hi guys
Ken asks:
>Hi all: Just a question about copyrights. How long do they last or are=
they
>in affect?

This isn't quite the answer he wanted, but......

Sara

2. Copyright Explained
- --------------------------------------------------------------------
When you write copy you have the right to copyright the copy you
write, if the copy is right. If however, your copy falls over, you
must right your copy. If you write religious services you write
rite, and have the right to copyright the rite you write.

Very conservative people write right copy, and have the right to
copyright the right copy they write. A right wing cleric would write
right rite, and has the right to copyright the right rite he has the
right to write. His editor has the job of making the right rite copy
right before the copyright can be right.

Should Jim Wright decide to write right rite, then Wright would write
right rite, which Wright has the right to copyright. Duplicating
that rite would copy Wright right rite, and violate copyright, which
Wright would have the right to right.

Right?

Sara Sharpe
Clearwater, Florida
dasharpe@gte.net
- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------=
- ------------
If a pig loses its voice, is it disgruntled?
- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------=
- ---------

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Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 19:16:59 EST
From: NANAKNITZ@aol.com
Subject: Knit: Enough!!!!!!!!!!!

Lets stop looking for problems and be grateful that we have people who are
good enough to organize Stitches. They work hard finding all the elements to
put this together and making it a success. I for one am very happy to go
andenjoy every minute of the 3 days. Yes, I do save all year for this event.
All my lose change gets put away and then the week before stitches I cash it
in. Doesn't hurt a bit and hubby has no clue. Try it it is fun. Life is to
short to lopk for all the problems. Enjoy it while you can.
Thanks to all for Stitches.
RoseAnn

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Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 18:23:56 -0600
From: kriket@iwc.net
Subject: Re: Knit: KNIT: the "final" word on copyright....

AMEN!

Sara & David Sharpe wrote:

> Hi guys
> Ken asks:
> >Hi all: Just a question about copyrights. How long do they last or are they
> >in affect?
>
> This isn't quite the answer he wanted, but......
>
> Sara
>
> 2. Copyright Explained
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> When you write copy you have the right to copyright the copy you
> write, if the copy is right. If however, your copy falls over, you
> must right your copy. If you write religious services you write
> rite, and have the right to copyright the rite you write.
>
> Very conservative people write right copy, and have the right to
> copyright the right copy they write. A right wing cleric would write
> right rite, and has the right to copyright the right rite he has the
> right to write. His editor has the job of making the right rite copy
> right before the copyright can be right.
>
> Should Jim Wright decide to write right rite, then Wright would write
> right rite, which Wright has the right to copyright. Duplicating
> that rite would copy Wright right rite, and violate copyright, which
> Wright would have the right to right.
>
> Right?
>
> Sara Sharpe
> Clearwater, Florida
> dasharpe@gte.net
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> If a pig loses its voice, is it disgruntled?
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 19:30:13 EST
From: JDubberly@aol.com
Subject: Knit: Intersia Boo-Boo

Help//
Had found a huge error about 7 rows later in an intersia sweater. When I
tried to
rip back made another big one...must have laid it down and not checked
carefully
where I was. Now one side is two inches shorter than the other...What to
do.. HELP
TIA
Brownie
JDubberly@aol.com

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Date: 30 Oct 00 19:09:32 EST
From: "Kenneth L.Houghtaling" <kentkg@netscape.net>
Subject: Knit: copyright ????

To those who wrote back first --You will go nameless for the moment.

HAHAHAHAHAHA and I thought this list was helpful!!!

Hopefully there are some friendly people on this list who will give me th=
e
information for which I am looking.

Yes I got mad and upsset. Sorry moms but I needed to sound off.

Happy Knitting!!!

Ken TKG The Knitting Grandpa in Chester, CT, USA

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Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 16:43:36 -0800
From: "Sue Hulbert" <shulbert@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Knit: Knit - the C word

Thanks to Sara for what I hope is the last word on copyright. I loved it.

Sue of Snohomish

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Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 20:27:48 EST
From: GRACERDH@aol.com
Subject: Knit: Looking for an event

Hello everyone...
I've just returned from my first "weekend knitting retreat" and thoroughly
enjoyed every minute of it. I was hoping that I could find another retreat
to attend in January. I'm looking to travel the weekend of the 26th.
Anyone aware of anything going on that weekend?
Hello to the knitters I met this weekend in Green Lake!
OKC: working on Dale of Norway "Lake Placid" sweater and trying to get some
felted Christmas ornaments finished as well. (Wool You Order pattern...just
love them)
Thanks for checking your calenders for me!
Kristen

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Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 20:38:42 EST
From: LHDCTD@aol.com
Subject: Knit: Re: Knitlist Digest V2000 #4188

Hi Darcy,

I'm happily plugging along on my AS Na Craga which seems to be the easiest in
the Aran Knitting book. I used Brown Sheep Naturespun [worsted] which is
light in weight and lovely to work with [also not too expensive for a first
project]. Na Craga has been lots of fun and not very difficult.

Chris

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Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 20:42:07 -0500
From: Monique Richard <moniquerichard@home.com>
Subject: Knit: Ladybugs

Hi,
Apologies, I am having problem in retrieving the stored messages from my
computer files. So, could the posters who sent me yesterday the
resources for the ladybug socks , resend them privately to
jack150@msn.com

Thanks. Monique.

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Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 20:00:26 -0600
From: Sharon Boggs <sboggs@iland.net>
Subject: Knit: Flowers or Balloons for Sweaters!!

Hi, while hurrying to finish a sweater for a Grandson, I did one little
dumb thing.I guessed at his height, and the sweater was too short, like
how tall can an 7 year old be....Size 8. Well since I had made it in
Crayon Orange and Royal Blue, a new yarn for Kids......I put it aside
to think about it. No way was I ripping it out.....
So the day before, on the Carol Duval Show I had seen this lady make
the flowers from that little circle Flower Loom that they had 20 years
ago, well I had one of those , so I played abit and layed it aside,
deciding again, I just was not crazy about those big flowers over a
afghan, or placemat....Carol says it is new again!!! Well to make a long
story short, while I was knittng another sweater, I thought , Hey ,
those flowers on the tiny center loom might look cute on that sweater I
was trying to salvage...You guessed it , takes about 7 min. and I now
have a field of Orange flowers over the New Girls Bomber Jacket....
But the Secret is to place that little Loom under your knitted item
and then make the flowers..If you want the Balloons, just clip the yarn
flowers once they are secured and add some I-cording for the string.When
done winding the yarn, it pops right off.........A lot less fiddling
with them that way and they are attatched a lot more stable. This would
work on knitted or crocheted fabric, or maybe evern something
purchased.if in a real pinch for a gift or to save that childs Item
that has a tear, stain, or snag it it....Thats my hint for the year
probably...If any questions please email me direct......Sharon in M0

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Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 21:58:28 -0600
From: "cat" <cat@postnet.com>
Subject: Knit: A UFO becomes a FO

At last I have a FO. True, it is only a wash cloth but still ... it is now
a former UFO. Last Christmas I knitted several of these for gifts for
former co-workers. (I had retired earlier in the year but still met them
occasionally for lunch). Each one was a different pattern. One day when
counting the completed ones, I realized I had done enough so I stopped on
the one on the needles. Yesterday I got that poor thing out to finish it.
Of course, the pattern had wandered off and I didn't want to waste time
looking for it. I looked at what I had done and decided this one was a
series of garter stitch stripes interruped by a row of k2, yo. Finished it
today. I wrapped some bath cubes in it and stuck it in a box of books which
had been loaned to me by a friend in Iowa to be a small thank you gift for
the loan of her books and sent it on its way to Iowa.

Had an epiphany moment with my black Red Heart worsted afghan for my nephew.
At the knit shop where I join others to knit, someone asked how wide the
afghan was. I had no idea; I just knew the rows were long. Decided maybe I
should measure. When I did, I discovered the thing was 72 inches wide!
Viola! Just that quick, what had been the width became the length and I'm
now knitting a side-to-side afghan. Of course, I'm doing the same thing I
had been doing; it's just been turned around in my head. Now have it about
a third of the way completed. The Candiana afghan for his brother is also
about a third of the way completed. I just may get these finished by
Christmas.

Charlotte - in Fenton, MO
cat@postnet.com

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Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 20:35:10 -0800
From: Jill Vosburg <jvosburg@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Knit: RE: Yarns for beginning knitters

Gillian wrote:
> I have a friend who wants to learn to knit, and knows more or less what
kind
> of object she'd like to make, but I'm wondering what kind of yarn to
start
> her on. Is this one area where bulky is better, or is good old worsted
> weight easier to handle for a beginner? The beginning stitches are
always
> so clumsy, and I want to make the first lessons as easy as possible.

I recommend worsted or heavier (but not super bulky) to beginners.
Something you'd knit on US #8 to #10 needles. Then it's large enough to
see your stitches easily. Truly giant yarns are awkward to knit, even for
experienced knitters, so it might be best to go for that later.

On the other hand... the yarn needs to be something the learning knitter
really likes, so if it's super bulky they love, I say let them go for it!

It always amazes me to hear from so many knitters who learned to knit by
making argyle socks with fingering yarn. Heck of a first project, isn't
it? I really admire them for sticking with it!

Jill Vosburg
Just One More Row
http://www.justonemorerow.com
New Free Pattern! - Scallop Brim Instant Hat

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Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 16:00:42 +1100
From: Sarah and Jamie <brink909@iaccess.com.au>
Subject: Re: Knit: Re: guilds and pattern use

I also receive regular requests from guilds to use the free patterns on my
website as projects. I very much appreciate that the people who ask thought
to do so (and I always say yes, as long as my copyright info remains intact
& people get told my URL)

So you see, it pays to ask, not only because designers appreciate it, but
also because we may say yes, thus absolving any guilt the recipient of such
patterns may feel <VBG>

Sarah :)

At 06:42 PM 10/30/00 -0400, Dawn Brocco wrote:
>Knitlist Digest10/30/00 6:28 PMowner-knitlist-digest@kniton.com
>
> > So, what do you do when a fellow knitter, whether at a guild or elsewhere,
> > passes out photocopies of a pattern to 25 or 30 people and asks (jokingly
> > insists) that the pattern be a group project? Do you ask if the designer's
> > permission has been obtained? Do you simply not participate?
>
>I have been contacted by several guilds about using patterns that were mine
>or mine that I designed for a mag. As long as they meet mine or the mag's
>requirements, it's fine.

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Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 21:05:51 -0800
From: "Paulette Lane" <paulette_lane@msn.com>
Subject: Knit:KL Calendar Update, Workshop, Dolls for Packaging

Greetings All from a very dark but not very cold Vancouver, BC, Canada!

Can never get used to the sun going down so soon at this time of year.
Especially after turning our clocks back. Guess I wouldn't do well north of
60.

KL CALENDAR
The calendar total is officially at 233. If you have sent me a cheque in the
last week and have not contacted me to tell me it is on its way, please do
so now. As I said before, I only print the number of calendars ordered. I
don't want you to be left out. I confirm the total with the printer this
week.

This is the first year that I have done the final calendar layout on the
computer. It adds an extra step to the process but the date stamp can be
removed from photos and I can resize a collage so that it will fit on the
page. The sock page was quite oversized but it looks great now. Had a great
time, as usual. Thanks to Sivia Harding for her scanning skills and her
time.

The calendars will go out in early November. I will let you know when they
are mailed. Working on the labels and the envelopes now so I can stuff and
mail them as soon as they come from the printer.

WORKSHOP
Two weekends ago, my guild held their annual weekend workshop with Janet
Armstrong, Wendy Henderson and Gloria Hanson. What a team! They each bring
something different to knitting and they compliment each other very well.
Their experience in painting and drawing, quilting, sewing, spinning,
weaving and knitting offers a wealth of knowledge. Very talented women. If
you have an opportunity to take a class from any of them, do it.

The workshop was a Journey Through a Sweater and they addressed fit and
proportion, texture, colour, finishing and lots more. They supplied the
yarn, too and everyone had different colours so we could learn about colour
from others samples as well as our own. The hand outs were great. All levels
of knitters learned and having 3 instructors allowed lots of one-on-one
assistance.

KNITTED DOLLIES FOR PACKAGING
My guild is knitting dollies to be used as packing material for AIDS
medications being sent to Kenya by ICROSS, the International Community for
the Relief of Starvation and Suffering. The pattern is very simple to knit,
essentially a 5 inch rectangle with a bit of detail, changing colour for the
legs, top, face and hat/hair, then stuffed with polyester fibrefill. The
dollies are given to the HIV-AIDS orphans. They don't take much time and are
a good use for the odds and ends of yarn the we accumulate. Apparently, the
children love the dollies and if a child dies, the dolly is buried with the
child.

WIP
Beside knitting dollies, I periodically get a chance to knit a few rows on
my first Gansey. In the round, I have knit about 9 inches. Last weekend,
while a passenger, I was came to the end of the yarn in my knitting bag.
Determined not to miss this knitting opportunity, I ripped out my two
tension swatches and knit with that yarn. Garn Silk Tweed gives lots of
mileage on size 2.5 mm needles. Just love knitting this garment. It is so
peaceful and rhythmical. The best thing for my busy life. Looking forward to
less hectic days.

Hope this finds you all happy and healthy.

Enjoy All Hallow's Eve if you celebrate it.

Keep Canada Knitting

Paulette

"I try to take one day at a time, but sometimes several days attack me at
once." Ashleigh Brilliant

PLANE Images
paulette_lane@msn.com

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Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 23:07:37 -0600
From: dandot@flash.net
Subject: Re: Knit: KNIT: the "final" word on copyright....

Yes, this HAS to be the final world. Excuse me while I pick myself up
off the floor.

This is too funny!

Donna in Texas
dandot@flash.net

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Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 20:32:30 -0800
From: Christine Evelyn Squires <ces@teleport.com>
Subject: Knit: Oh, Happy Day!

Two knitting magazines arrived in my mailbox today -
Cast On & Interweave Knits! Both winter issues.

Off to my reading chair with my mags & a glass of wine.

Oh yes - I live in Portland, OR.

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Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 22:11:36 -0800
From: Margaret Reinke <miggie@humboldt1.com>
Subject: Knit: Shell Pattern

Does anyone know of an afghan pattern or any other article that might have a
large seashell motif? A clam shell is what I had in mind, but other shells
would be good too.
Many thanks.
OKC: unfortunately, have had to set aside the needles to crochet some chair
arm covers for a lady....I don't like to crochet so am anxious to get this
job behind me. ....the quicker to collect the $$ for some yarn shopping
too. LOL.
Margaret in the Redwoods
miggie@humboldt1.com

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Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 01:27:08 -0500
From: "DANDEE" <dandee@inetone.net>
Subject: Knit: ICQ Knitchats November schedule

Hey, Everybody!

Knitchat schedule for November is

Nov 6 at 10pm ET-Diana (&knitchat4 70833769)

Nov 15 at 3pm ET-Jennifer (&knitchat2 21558412)

Nov 20 at 10pm ET-Diana (&knitchat4 70833769)

Nov 27 at 2pm ET-Lynn (&knitchat3 65656871)

Nov 30 at 3pm ET-Jennifer (&knitchat2 21558412)

Folks who would like to participate need to have the chat program ICQ
installed and need to add the knitchat hosts to their contact lists.

Also, don't forget I am hosting the knitchat virtual Halloween party
tonight, at 10 PM EST. No fair if everybody wears Alexander McQueen!

______other knitting____
Just when I thought it was safe to knit on four needles again.... My son
spent this past weekend (Thurs -- Mon) in a hospital far from my home. He
got the flu and it was a hard battle there for a while, since he is only 8
months old. Many people saw my knitting and commented on it. Amazing,
since I was holding the baby, not the yarn! I met one nurse who knits, but
"only flat stuff." Her words. She was impressed with my using four
needles. But she does stained glass in addition to knitting, I was
impressed by her power tools. (Yes, baby is home and yes, he is *much*
better.)

________Teenagers!!!_____

And since I came home to a flood of email, I started reading backward. The
most interesting thing is going on.... A lady I know because of the
socknitter's list wrote me and asked if I would be interested in doing a
spinning/fiber demo at my DD's school. She was asked to, but can't manage
the date, and thought of me. Why does this make me want to throw up my
hands? Because it's my DD's English teacher who asked. She has had
speakers in throughout the year to talk about different things. My DD
invited my DSis to speak but not me because I am "ancient and boring.
Really, Mom, what would you talk about?".

If I survived me being 13, does it follow that I'll survive my child being
13?! Can this be thought of as a tiny bit of revenge? <VBEG> No, no, I
didn't say anything and I *will* be on 101% good behavior, but honestly!
What would I talk about? What wouldn't I talk about!

What I will talk about is the invention of the spindle, the invention of the
spinning wheel, and the invention of the spinning jenny. I think. There
may be some kind of topic already chosen that I just have to demonstrate.

Well, that about wraps it up. Looking forward to seeing you in chats,

Diana Cintron
Princeton, WV
dandee@inetone.net
ICQ 70833769

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Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 01:10:57 -0800 (PST)
From: Jan Reed <jlr53@yahoo.com>
Subject: Knit: Lily Chin's shawl in Knitters & help needed for Christmas gift

Hi! I have a question about the top edge of the
shawl. I am almost done with my first one, and I
am concerned that the top edge may need some
reinforcement. Has anyone had this problem?
Also, what would be a solution?

Second question - My family always has a gift
exchange for the holidays. I have my mother, and
I need to give her a present that begins with the
letter "u", is made of something that begins with
"u", etc,etc,etc. I want to knit her something
but I can't think of a pattern or idea that
begins with "u". Any ideas?

Thanks,
Jan in NC

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