Lesson 5 - Newsgroups and Bulletin Boards

CISB 102 - Summer 1999

Question 1 & Question 2: Dejanews and News Groups

Answer the questions about what you
searched for, what groups you read and which approach you preferred.
Search Dejanews for a topic of interest to you. What did you search for and what
sort of results did you get?
or
Visit 2 newsgroups that sound interesting. Read several of the messages in each.
What were the names of the newsgroups you visited? (Give the exact name,
usually something like:  rec.fun.jumping)  In general, what were people
discussing in each?

Dejanews
http://www.dejanews.com/home_bg.shtml
 

Movies - The Matrix
rec.arts.movies.current-films&new
http://x39.deja.com/[ST_rn=md]/viewthread.xp?thitnum=22&mhitnum=0&toffset=0&CONTEXT=932003534.1931870360&frpage=threadmsg_md.xp&back=rec.arts.movies.current-films&new=0&rok=1
      [Student's note: Long URL at these things:>?]
This is one of the news groups I was automatically signed up for when
I registered with deja.com and after a little looking I came across
a message thread regarding the movie The Matrix which is a film
I have yet to see. Matrix - anyone just *like* it?
From this discussion it would appear that there is some who thought
the movie did not have a well developed plot while others found a way
to fill-in the plot based on putting together other things mentioned
in the film. This reading will help me to better follow the
story line when I get around to seeing the movie.
WWW Authoring
comp.infosystems.www.authoring.stylesheets
Comp is another group I searched. I could get lost here.
So I narrowed search to info on www and specifically Style Sheets.

This discussion and the link to a site provided some good information
on the relationship of style sheet markup and comparison of browser differences.
Suggestions are made as to how to get around some of the problems.

Question 2:

To answer the questions above, for Netscape, you will need to set up the newsgroup server:
secnews.netscape.com in Netscape's newsgroup client.  The Netscape server can be hard to set up. It
appears to require unusual ports at times. If you have trouble, do it through the link from the
Netscape site: http://help.netscape.com/nuggies/ This will set it up for you.

Pick one of the Netscape or Microsoft groups. Read a number of the messages and see what you
can learn. What group did you pick? Summarize what you learned there. Please give several
sentences, so that it is apparent that you read some of the articles.

CGI Authoring
comp.infosystems.www.authoring.cgi
I downloaded 50 headers and started reading . . . I am in the process of
understanding what CGI is about  . . . The discussion thread I followed
was about creating a form which will pass the input info to another page
and use that info to customize it. Got lost in the code but the more you
look at this stuff with each reading of text books, the easier it becomes
to understand it. Will have to read up on this more and go here again.
HTML Authoring
comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html
    Browser Tags Differ
MSIE vs Netscape - need for additional HTML tag . . .

 i used four frames in the
 page to make a nice effect.  I eliminated the frame borders so colors would
 touch.  It looks like what I wanted in Netcape, but  looks like crap in
 Internet Explorer.  There are still borders showing in IE 4.5.  Is this
 inherent or something I can fix.
ANSWER: add framespacing="0" in the frameset tag

    Software Link - Animated Gif maker
Can someone suggest the best freeware you know of, to create Animated
Gif for the web.  Thanks.

GIF Construction Set is OK

    Web Page Experts
One of the links passed on through discussion thread. . .
http://www.allexperts.com/software/html.shtml
    Cool Quote
Here is a cool quote from one of the responses:

Anyone who slaps a "this page is best viewed with Browser X" label
    on a Web page appears to be yearning for the bad old days, before the
    Web, when you had very little chance of reading a document written on
    another computer, another word processor, or another network.
            [Tim Berners-Lee in Technology Review, July 1996]
Back To Quest #4

Do you prefer Dejanews or your Newsgroup Client
(which one did you use?) as an interface to Usenet News? Why?

I Prefer Newsgroup Client . . . no ads to slow things down
and easy to save as a letter in your mail program.
Unmediated groups provided for some "humorous" stabs.


Question 3: Bulletin Board

Give the name & URL of the bulletin board you liked
best along with a one paragraph summary of what people were discussing.
ZDNet Web Developers - Coding (Playing sound on click.)
http://f5.dejanews.com/frameset/frameset.cgi?channel=cc&forum=coding

Discussion Follows:

From: Barry Frishberg
I have tried many scripts for a sound on click function, but none seems to work.
Larry Seltzer [Moderator] offered information that a sound will not play with java script alone.
That one also needed Java applet or ActiveX control. There was much more to this thread and the
major points follow. When all was said and done, it seems there is a way for Barry to do what he
wants but it would require that the browser have the beatnik plug in. They offer info on how to
do what Barry wants but he was looking for another way.

There is no cross browser way to pre load sounds without playing them at the same time.
ActiveX controls don't work in Netscape browsers. Still interested?
From: Jess Lewis
Date: Sat Jul 10 17:54 CDT 1999

You could try out a Java applet called TurboSite Accelerator. This applet will prelude items
in the background and will load sound files or midi files in the background without playing them.
The files end up in the browser cache which speeds things up.
Search for TurboSite on ZDNet or visit at:
http://www.intellisoft-inc.com/TurboSite.html

If you want to pre load the sounds and then take the user to a page then you may be
more interested in the PreSite PreLoader applet which is available at:
 http://www.intellisoft-inc.com/PreSite.html

From: Larry Seltzer [Moderator]
Date: Thu Jun 24 19:38 CDT 1999

If you don't want Java (and I assume you don't want ActiveX) then this is going to be tough.
If you had already embedded a sound object with the usual <embed src="foo.wav">
then you could play that in Javascript, and therefore in an onMouseOver,
with document.embeds[0].play or document.sound1.play if you had done
<embed name="sound1" src="foo.wav">.
Trouble is, I don't think there is a way to load an embed like that without it
playing initially, and you would need to load several. BTW, you'd probably want to add "hidden"
as an attribute.
I'm just guessing here, but perhaps you could issue a
document.sound1.stop at the page load if there is such a command.

From: Barry Frishberg
Date: Fri Jun 25 10:58 CDT 1999

Thank you anyway. There was one site that I found informative, but I never did get it to work.
Check out www.beatnik.com . You have to get the pluggin and then go to their
web authoring stuff, then to navigation bar, then to sound on click (something like that).
They have done it, and try to teach you how to do, but I didn't understand.
If you understand it, please post another message or email me because then we could converse
further on how to help this problem. Then, we both might learn something. Thanks!

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Question 4: Give the dates of your original posting to Forum, and say
whose posting you replied to.

Describe the Usenet newsgroup or Bulletin Board that you found most
interesting in Exercises 1-3.
Write a summary of what was being discussed there for your teammates
and post it on Forum.

Give enough details that someone else should be able to determine
if would be worthwhile posting to the Newsgroup at all--
in other words a couple paragraphs of comments including
the URL or the name of the Newgroup itself
(if it's one of the Usenet news groups.)

 Netscapes Usenet Group and HTML help Posted 07/19/99 02:14 AM
comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html
 
 
Click here to see
(there is a return)

 
Then visit a group or bulletin board mentioned by someone else.
Reply to the person's message in Forum with your own comments about the group.

Visited ZdNet site. posted reply to  John Thompson

http://www5.zdnet.com/cc/forums.html

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Question 5: Include copies of the 2 ads you found in your response.

Find 2 advertisements of interest in the classifieds and
copy the text into your answer to this question:
one should be a product or other item for sale,
and one for a service, an event, a personals ad, or other miscellaneous ad.

Product:
TEXAS INSTRUMENTS LAP TOP COMPUTER
Complete w/carrying case and software,$800. Call 333-8924
(7/18/99)

Service:
Office Support & Desktop Publishing For the Individual and for Businesses
http://www.ameritech.net/users/nicolej1/profile.htm
Go here for complete ad.
This is the URL I found using yahoo search for computer services
in Michigan. They are listed as being in Bellevue, Michigan , 49021

Services (include but not limited)
                                     Personal Services
                              Resumes - $10 (two pages w/5 copies)
                                   Term Papers - $6 (per page)
                        Signs and Flyers - $4 (10 copies, .15 ea. copy after)
                               Scanning services - $2 (per diskette)

                                     Business Services
                                      First time setup - $10
                                Financial Reports - $6 (per page)
                                   Corresponds - $4 (per page)
                                 Organizing Data - $4 (per page)
                            Mailing List - $4 (every 25, labels .20 ea.)
                          Newsletters/Menus - $8 (per page w/10 copies)
                                      Invoices - $1.50 (ea.)
 
 

Question 6: Answer the questions about jobs and resumes. Give the
date of your posting to the class e-mail list.

http://www.lansingemployment.com/
Find a job listing that might be of interest to you at one of these sites. Copy the listing to your
     answers and give the URL.
     Also find another job listing--one that requires Internet skills. Send a copy of this to your class
     Listserv e-mail list, so that everyone can see a sampling of available Internet-related jobs. Give the
     URL. (Note: there are lots of jobs available - please don't duplicate one your classmate already sent
     to the class list -- find a different one.)
     Find a site where you could put your resume. How much would it cost and what would you get for
     that? Does it seem like a good investment for you or for someone you know who is looking for a
     change in employment?
 
 

Questions 7 & 8:  Include the answers to all parts of these questions
in your response to your instructor.

Q 7.

Telenet was already set up from last term.

Library of Congress Information System
Went to LOCIS (locis.loc.gov 140.147.254.3 )
and checked out some info on copyrights.
You need to type in a number and then press enter.
You are basically presented with limited choices and must
"drill-down" into the site to arrive at what you are seeking.
Type - help browse - to get to basic menu of choices for searching.
Type - 12 - to log off.

You need to have a good idea of what you are looking for
when you use this service.

I feel that it is proper that telnet avoids long distance charges.
The ability to connect to the information on other computers
provides a world wide educational opportunity and means of
sharing knowledge that benefits all humankind. With long distance
charges thrown into the picture this sharing
of information would be limited to those having big bucks.

The WWW and the Internet has provided phone companies with new
ways of making money. The businesses that are springing up all over
to provide local dial-up services are new sources of revenue.
These businesses require special expensive connections and
also regular phone services, etceteras. What profits they may
lose from LD charges are being made up with the need for
new technology services required to support the entire system.
 

8.Citing Copyrighted Material:
Small Business Center
http://www.usatoday.com/small/sbfront.htm
07/19/99 - Updated 04:04 PM ET

One of the primary appeals of starting a home-based business is the ability
to keep an eye on the children while minding the store. But it's wise to go
into the arrangement with realistic expectations. . .
Even more likely than children interrupting a business, is a business that
interrupts a family, says Spiegel, who works at home with three school-age
children. . .
"During the first 6 to 12 months (of a home-based business), it's, 'I'm done
with dinner, I'm going to check my e-mail,' and you don't see the person
for the next four hours," Spiegel says. "The entrepreneur who's anxious to
make sure the business is successful has a hard time stepping away from
work."

APA Style:
Forman, Ellen. 1999 July 19. There's more to home businesses than an office in the den.
USA TODAY [Online], One page. Available: http://www.bankrate.com/ust/news/biz/Biz_ops/19990715.asp [1999, July 19]

MLA style:
Forman, Ellen. There's more to home businesses than an office in the den. (1999)
USA TODAY 19 July 1999: One page. Online. Available: http://www.bankrate.com/ust/news/biz/Biz_ops/19990715.asp .19 July 1999.

CMS style:
Forman, Ellen. There's more to home businesses than an office in the den. USA TODAY.
[newspaper online]. [cited 19 July 1999]. Available from http://www.bankrate.com/ust/news/biz/Biz_ops/19990715.asp

Part 2
Imagine yourself applying for a job and wanting to send your employer a copy of a multimedia term
paper you wrote as a student.  Suppose the term paper contains a copyrighted picture that you
included as a fair use.  Do the fair use guidelines permit you to include the copyrighted picture when you submit the paper as a writing sample while applying for a job?  To find out, go to the
bibliographic style chapter's section at the Interlit Web Site, and follow the links to the "Fair Use Guidelines for Educational Multimedia."

According to the information provided by the
Executive Director Instructional Telecommunications Council
in the Summary of the Agreements section of the web page article,

"*If at any time the educator wants to commercially reproduce or distribute the work,
he or she must obtain copyright permission for all copyrighted material."

Dalziel, Chris, "FAIR USE GUIDELINES FOR EDUCATIONAL MULTIMEDIA - Background and Sumary".
[Online]. Available from http://www.libraries.psu.edu/mtss/fairuse/dalziel.html
[cited 19 July 1999].

Sending the paper could potentially be interpreted as distribution
so I would say don't do it without getting permission from the copyright holder. The guidelines
additionally call for the sites that are created for educational purposes get permission
from copyright holders within two years of putting up the material so this could also be a factor.

HOWEVER . . .

According to a more recent report (updated: August 4, 1998), the answer would be YES . . .

3.1 Student Use:

Students may perform and display their own educational multimedia projects created under
Section 2 of these guidelines for educational uses in the course for which they were created
and may use them in their own portfolios as examples of their academic work for later personal
uses such as job and graduate school interviews.

Georgia Harper "Fair Use Guidelines For Educational Multimedia* - section 3. Permitted Educational Uses for Multimedia Projects Under These Guidelines"
[Online]. Available from http://www.utsystem.edu/OGC/IntellectualProperty/ccmcguid.htm [cited 21 July 1999].
 

If you wish to read the brief on the document that has been entered into law,
Check out the following:

Digital Millennium Copyright Act - On October 12, 1998,
Congress passed this complex set of changes to U.S. copyright
law. Attorney Jonathan Band, with Morrison & Foerster LLP, has
written an excellent analysis of the legislation for the Association of
Research Libraries.

http://www.arl.org/info/frn/copy/band.html



 
 
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