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An Interview with Prof. Philip Melanson

©Paul Nellen, Hamburg Germany, 1994

The interview with Prof. Melanson was done in the rooms of the RFK Assassination Archive, University of Massachusetts, Dartmouth: N. Dartmouth, MA 02747-2300, USA. Phone: +1-508-999-8686.

"I'm a professor of Political Science here at the University of Massachusetts/Dartmouth. I've written 5 books on American political assassinations including the RFK case. I'm the chair of the committee that oversees the archives here. We are the largest collection in the world and the most complete and the richest and have all the official files here as well as private papers and audio tapes and video tapes. It is a marvellous resource for students, for the public and for interested researchers and journalists like yourself. We get a lot of inquiries and a lot of use. This is the only place where all the material is together and is publicly accessible and complete. There are collections on other places, but it deserves a central facility for this case."

How much does the university support the archive?

"We have indirect support by the university, in that Helen Koss, who is our archivist, is employed by the university. It does a lot of work on this collection. Mostly our funding comes from private university sources, the library associates group gives us money to operate, the alumni association gives us money, the university research committee, so we don't have really a specific budget for the RFK collection. We do it on our own."

Can you show us something from the archive?

"We have the 50,000 page LA Police file, which wasn't released til 1988. We have 32,000 pages of FBI documents. That wouldn't make it very accessible, but we have indices that list the names of witnesses and subject matter, so that anyone can access both the LAPD and FBI files in terms of what they interested in. Then we have an index to the hundreds and hundreds of hours of tape recordings that we have, which includes documentaries, witnesses interviews, the original investigative interviews, some of these which were taped by the LAPD. We also have several hundred hours of videotape. And these indices make it all accessible for the public. We have a huge collection of photographs. You can see here not only police photos, but FBI photos. This is a photo of the actual struggling for Sirhan's gun just after the shooting. These are photos of the crime scene, we have several hundred of them.

Who took these photos?

"The FBI and the LAPD. What we're missing, what history and the rest of us are missing is, that there is no photograph of the actual shooting as it is taking place. There is no still photo, there is no film. But there may have been such photos. But if they were, they were lost or destroyed."

Why would they have been destroyed?

"It's possible that they're destroyed. There is a young man who was taking pictures during the shooting, by his account and by other witnesses. His film was returned with pictures before the shooting and after the shooting. But the authorities don't know what happened to the pictures that might have been of the shooting. I can only say, historically, that if the authorities had a real picture of the real shooting, they should have been joyous to release it because it would have proved their point. If, on the other hand, they have a picture showing that Sirhan was not where they said he was, or there was other sinister looking people, they may well have suppressed that evidence."

"These are the raw files that the index will lead researchers to. In these boxes are the actual documents from LAPD and from the FBI. Many of them are censored, sometimes foolishly, sometimes a lot of material is missing. We had the luxury of receiving some FBI documents that were placed in archives in California that were not censored. The ones that we received here was censored. So, for 300 pages we had the fun of getting an insight into what is it the FBI did not want us to see. It wasn't anything earthshaking, but it was very interesting in terms of the secrecy of US Government. And we have a trial transcript, which is a very important resource. It's not secret but it's 10,000 pages, and you can't access it in California conveniently. It's sort of locked up. So we have that here which is very important for researchers."

Was the release of these documents voluntary?

"In 1984, when we opened this archive, we opened with a private collection from California. And at that point, every single piece of paper was officially locked up in the case. Between 1984 and 1988, it took energetic efforts by citizens and the help of the archive partitioning to get the FBI files, the DA files and the LAPD files released. And I would say: the FBI did not resist because the law made them disclose the files. What they resisted was doing it for free. They tried to make us pay huge amounts by not granting us a waiver, even though we're a public institution. We had to get political intervention from Congressmen. We got that then. The LAPD, though, severely resisted. They lobbied, they said it would violate privacy, national security, they tried to sabotage our appearance in LA before the commissions that would do the releasing. So it was a very tough fight and took four years to accomplish. But now, the only things that we don't have are not the things that are were withheld, but the things which have been taken from the files or destroyed while they were in secret for 20 years. We have everything that there is to get, but still there is a lot missing."

Do you have anything else here?

"This is a collection of books on the assassinations. Unlike the JFK case (there are six hundred or more books written on that subject) this has a very small literature. I don't know the exact count, but I would say, even given the lowest circulation books, it is probably not more than fifty, which is rather interesting. And I would also say, that of those fifty, five are worthwhile and forty-five are so inaccurate or sensational or poorly done, they're not worthwhile. So, this is a case where, unlike the JFK case, the average reader, the interested person has difficulty finding a good treatment of the case in print. We have all of the books here. And here the people can compare what the authors say to what the officials said in the record."

Why is there more interest in the JFK assassination?

"Well, there are several reasons for that. One is that RFK was not a President, only a presidential candidate. But I think, the major thing is that Oswald was seen as a mystery character. There were questions about where the shots came from. In this case, it seemed so simple with that smoking gun and a man was arrested and he confessed and there was a trial. And the officials were able to use that as propaganda, to say the only people who think there is a conspiracy are those nuts because...look how simple the case is! And I think, the public, absent of the real data which was locked up for twenty years, came to believe that and rightly so. It was a major propaganda effort by the officials to say this is a simple case and we've solved it. Today, one of the problems is that people think that where had these questions been if they weren't raised originally? They don't realise that we've faced twenty years of secrecy and that some of the issues are now coming out. Public awareness of the problems in this case is frankly very, very low compared to the JFK case."

Why doesn't anyone argue for the conspiracy theory?

"It's partly a difficulty in bringing this to public attention. I've written a book, several other people have written books. But in President Kennedy's case, you've had thirty years of books, documentaries, re-investigations. One of the things in this case is that no one outside the original investigation force; the LAPD and FBI; no one beyond LA, beyond the officials who give us the original version, has ever looked at this case: not the US Congress, not the FBI, no one has re-investigated. So I think the public think maybe there is nothing to be re-investigated if the Government or somebody hasn't re-investigated. And in fact, that's not the case. So, there is a lack of interest, even today. One of the problems is as follows, I think: Oswald died before he could be brought to trial, and he may have had a different version of the events and he didn't it present to us. James Earl Ray never got a trial, and now he's claiming he is innocent in the assassination of Dr. Martin Luther King and he wants a new trial. Sirhan Sirhan is sitting in jail, saying 'I did it, I just want to be paroled'. I think, the public thinks: if the man who was sentenced says that he did it, why do these other people, myself included, allege to know more about the events that occurred? He would know. There are complex reasons for that, that we might go into. But Sirhan ironically himself is one of the biggest obstacles to public consciousness about the issues of this case."

Would you care to share a conspiracy theory?

"My theory about Sirhan's involvement is that he was definitely firing a gun and therefore should have been convicted of some kind of attempted murder if in fact they couldn't prove diminished responsibility. But I see Sirhan basically as a pawn in a conspiracy. My view is that while he was there shooting he didn't mastermind a plot to kill RFK. He was not a conscious participant with others where he was recruited into a plot. I see him as someone who is/was manipulated through his mind largely, through hypnosis, to shoot, firing a gun, to be a distraction for others who assassinated RFK. Unfortunately, Sirhan doesn't know enough about that to be able to provide leads or show leads on it for us and it is something that people other than Sirhan will have to try to figure out."

Who are your colleagues here?

"Helen Koss, a part time student helper. She's currently writing a book, 'The trial of Sirhan Sirhan'."

How much material do you have here?

"Two hundred tapes, one hundred books, five hundred plus photos."

When did you start to doubt the official version?

"I started thinking differently about this case back in 1976 as a reviewer for a magazine. I was sent a book by William Turner and John Christian, called 'The Assassination of RFK'. I read it and it was mind boggling and I thought: if this is true, if these authors are correct, this case is as controversial, it has as many questions as President Kennedy's assassination. But I didn't really know if the authors were telling the truth, I hadn't researched it. Then I begun doing research in the case in about 1982 or 1984 when I was recruited by the late Greg Stone, who was an aid to Congressman Allan Lowenstein. And Stone and Lowenstein along with Paul Schrade, a shooting victim in the assassination and friend of Senator Kennedy, they had all been pursuing these issues and they recruited me into the case. And that's when we began doing interviews and trying to get the documents released. But it was that one book that brought it to my attention. If I as a sceptical political scientist who knew there were controversies in the president's shooting, if it took me 8 years to even realise that there were controversies in the RFK case; and when I read a book I can fully understand how there are people, the majority of the public perhaps, who haven't come to that realisation yet."

What was Robert Kennedy's importance then and now?

"We have to remember: he was the most effective spokesperson against the Vietnam War. He had run a presidential campaign that opposed the US war policies, and while there were others with those views, he was the only one who had a chance of being elected president. He was also the only candidate that youth and minorities and united farmworkers and a whole bunch of folks felt he was really sincerely for their causes and would help them if elected. He had a constituency that other politicians just didn't share. Also as we may all know he was perhaps the last charismatic presidential candidate, the most charismatic from that year to the present. My view is that RFK would have been elected President if he had not been assassinated. We must recall that Hubert Humphrey, who got the nomination when Kennedy was shot, Humphrey almost beat Richard Nixon to the White House. It was a very close election; no doubt in my mind that had RFK been the nominee of the party, he was so much more effective than Humphrey, he would have been President. The importance of his issues during the campaign was crucial. The fact that we were deprived of a Kennedy presidency, whether you like or dislike it, is of momentous consequence historically. And at that time he was also an irreplaceable political commodity to particular enemies, if we look at the negative side. If you were organised crime in the US and you saw RFK headed back to Washington, you must have thought at that point that you had to do something because it would be intolerable. Because the Kennedy administration under John and Robert had attacked organised crime like no other administration. There were certain enemies that they had energised when President Kennedy was there. And I think his tough stands at the time of his assassination were unique too."

Could you explain this point about organised crime?

"Specifically organised crime was a major enemy. They had talked about assassinating President Kennedy and they talked about assassinating RFK when he was Attorney General because of the vigorous war on crime that the Kennedy administration pursued. With RFK possibly coming back to the White House, organised crime, which had always been his enemy, would be very high up in the list of suspects. RFK was opposing the Vietnam War very vigorously. We have the whole Oliver Stone thesis about the military-industrial complex assassinating President Kennedy. Without saying if it's true or not, the fact is that it was RFK who had the vigorous opposition to the war and would have made enemies of those who wanted to continue the present policies, whether they were in the Pentagon or in the intelligence community. Also RFK had made very dangerous enemies in the CIA when he was in the White House as his brother's advisor. The Kennedy brothers shook up the CIA severely after the Bay of Pigs, they fired some of it's legendary heroes, and RFK had control of the CIA to a certain extent. So he had made a lot of enemies there as well. And further down the list: we have the powerful ranchers in the West for whom Kennedy's support of the United Farmworkers was intolerable. Kennedy's stand on civil rights had energised those hate groups such as the KKK and the American Nazi Party. All of his stands brought him enemies, enemies of the kind that contains, within their groups, people who wouldn't hesitate to kill or to use violence. I believe that it was without knowing which of those groups, I don't know which of those groups, the LAPD doesn't know, the FBI does not know and history does not know, but it may have been an amalgamation. If we know that the CIA and organised crime co-operated to try to assassinate Fidel Castro, it is certainly thinkable that elements of one or more of these groups co-operated to assassinate RFK. But the enemies were very real and very formidable."

And RFK's importance today?

"RFK's importance nowadays is that he left a political legacy of taking on very difficult issues, championing for those who do not have power in this political system. And while there are a lot of people like President Clinton who use the Kennedy legacy or refer to it, I don't see anybody of presidential calibre who embodies the Kennedy legacy. I don't see someone running for President in the US who says, 'My constituency is disadvantaged groups, youth, I'm opposing military build-up...'. We talk about percentage now. RFK was in a very different category. So his legacy is there and it is drawn upon. But I don't see it being pursued actively by anybody of presidential stature. There is not a RFK in the issues sense or even in the charisma sense in the American political system today nor has there been since his assassination."

What evidence is there for a conspiracy?

"There are several categories of evidence which suggest to me that there was a second gun. First of all, and most compellingly I think, all of Sirhans bullets were accounted for. He had eight shots to fire, seven bullets were removed from the bodies of the shooting victims, there were five people shot as well as Senator Kennedy, that makes six. Seven bullets were recovered from their bodies, and one bullet, according to the officials, was lost in the ceiling. If there were any bullets recovered from the crime scene, there would be too many bullets for Sirhans gun. And we have overwhelming evidence, I think, that there were other bullets there. FBI agent William Bailey has stated that he saw what would be too many bullets, lodged in a doorframe. We have photographs identifying bullets in a doorframe. We have reporters and witnesses and even police officers who said, 'yes, there were bullets in that doorframe. So there are too many bullets for Sirhan's gun."

"Secondly, the best evidence, in my mind, shows that Sirhan Sirhan's bullets could not have killed RFK. Sirhan Sirhan was in front, he fired from one to six feet away, depending on your perspective, and RFK was hit from behind, at a sharply upward angle, at point-blank range. Sirhan Sirhan was in the wrong place. There were more bullets than could have been fired by his gun. And the joke is that we have several solid witnesses who saw another gun. Three witnesses, one more since my book, alleged that a man in a suit fired a gun. They are not saying that this man killed Kennedy. They are simply saying: we saw during the shooting a man in a suit firing a gun. Also there was a witness who saw a man in suit draw a gun. Also there has always been witness Don Schulman who said that a security guard drew and fired a gun. So we have other guns there, Sirhan Sirhan in the wrong place and more bullets than he could fire. The thing that keeps us from believing this, I think, is that the authorities took such great pains to cover it all up. For example, the police removed what in those photos look like extra bullets, too many bullets for Sirhan Sirhan's gun. They removed ceiling tiles, they removed the doorframe and destroyed the material. And that material, according to the witnesses I have talked to, did contain these extra bullets. Secondly, they manipulated the witnesses. They told two of the witnesses who saw another gun that it was a secret service man, implying that he was RFK's protection. The witnesses were ignorant of the fact that there was no secret service protection for RFK. With the other witnesses, they simply didn't take their statements that there was another gun. So they were able to cloud this issue. And I think, had this issue been reinvestigated a couple of years after the original assassination, the proof of a second gun would have been easy to come by. Now it's much more difficult with the passage of time and the destruction of evidence. But we do have these photos of extra bullets, and we still have witnesses who give that account."

Will the case be reopened?

"Opportunities to reopen the case are rather limited. We have currently before the LA Grand Jury a petition signed by 50 distinguished people (e.g. Oliver Stone, Arthur Schlesinger). What this petition asks for is not for a full fledged re-investigation, rather we've asked the Grand Jury to hold the LAPD accountable for their destruction of evidence or their brow beating of witnesses, for their failure to pursue leads. So it's a 'law-and-order law enforcement, hold the agency accountable' kind of petition. We hope if they do that and prove that the LAPD didn't solve the case that then other authorities hopefully beyond LA will see that the case needs to be reopened. Whether that's happen or not? As a political scientist, I think is doubtful at best. Because even with all of the awareness of President Kennedy's assassination that Oliver Stone's film 'JFK' generated, with the public's demand for the release of the documents, even that case is currently not scheduled for reinvestigation. And the RFK case is not nearly as controversial for the public. So the opportunity exists, the evidence exists, we may make some progress with this petition to the Grand Jury. But I do not envision a full scale investigation in my political future that I can foresee."

What was the impact of Bill Klaber's radio program and your book?

"The result of that was that even TIME magazine, which has been traditionally very hostile to conspiracy theories or to reopening the case, talked about Klaber's documentary and about the case. So it generated some newspaper attention which was visible. It also paved the way for serious discussions about the case. The fact that Bill and myself are currently doing a book that will address the legal process in the trial is a result of his documentary and the interest of this documentary. I think the indirect effect is probably greater, in that I would bet that seven to nine-tenths of the audience that listened to that documentary were never aware that there was controversy and cover-up in the RFK case. And that has to have an impact. I believe these people may not be writing to their congressman, they may not be demanding things right now, but I think the difference is that, when we talk about the issues of the RFK case, the public will be more receptive and understand that those issues are real because of Klaber's documentary. My book had a similar obvious and hidden impact. I've gotten a lot of mail from people asking what they can do. In the back of the book is a list of people you can write to. The second thing that both the Klaber documentary and my book have done is to encourage responsible witnesses to come forward. This is interesting in that any time there is a public discussion, you get irresponsible calls from people saying, 'I know who killed RFK, it was the Martians or it was my brother'. It is so interesting that both my book and Klaber's documentary brought forth people with important stories to tell who did not know that there was a controversy, who did not know that their story was important or that they had seen anything until they read the book or until they heard that documentary."

Do you believe the mass media is part of the cover-up?

"The story of the US mainstream media in assassination cases is not that they were involved in some huge conspiracy. But they seem to have a basic tendency which makes it impossible for them to recognise the truth. Firstly: they regularly get their information from official sources. That was certainly the case during the Sixties, but it is still a problem. Secondly: a joke from the JFK case: 'Polls show that seventy-five to ninety percent of Americans believe that JFK was assassinated by a conspiracy. That's the good news. The bad news, the other fifteen percent work for the FBI, CBS News, NY Times and the Justice Dept. I think that's very true. They call us 'conspiracy theorists', I call them 'the lone assassin theorists'. They jumped to the conclusion that there was no outside involvement, they jumped to the conclusion that we only have lone nuts in US, that it's only in Europe, in Central and South America where they have conspiracies and that's their ideological position and they stick to it. I can show you the newspaper clippings, where the LA Times and CBS News were giving opinions when it was too soon to know if Sirhan was guilty and had acted alone. That doesn't mean they're part of a conspiracy, or allowing the bad guys to get away, they are just simply too stuck in their ways. OF course, they can't just change overnight, because if they listened to Klaber's documentary or read my book they would have to ask themselves, 'Where were we in 1968, 1975, 1980, what did we report back then?'. And the answer would be, 'You were wrong, you swallowed the government propaganda and failed in your duty'. That would be intolerable for the highly paid, renowned journalists. That is the problem. It is greater in the RFK case because public awareness that there were controversies and presumably a conspiracy is far less developed. It is therefore far easier for the media to dismiss the truth by simply maintaining that there is no public interest."

Was Dr. William Joseph Bryan, Jr. really Sirhan's manipulator? What evidence is there?

"The evidence is varied. There are a couple of points to make, though. Firstly I should mention something which has relevance to this case, namely the US Government's research into mind control, hypnosis and LSD, which was completely contrary to the Constitution, and therefore illegal, and took place during the Sixties and Seventies. I believe that the Sirhan case was an off-shoot from that. The Government was researching ways of programming spies, assassins and saboteurs. A few members of this Government programme, such as Dr. Bryan, got out of control. Bryan's relationship to Sirhan came out because he was such a "pompous ass". He told several colleagues, and other people, that he had hypnotised Sirhan. That's hardly concrete evidence, but it's all we have; it would be very doubtful that an official file exists. Since publication of my book, I've met two of Bryan's former colleagues, whom I know now to have been much more vital to the Government's mind control research than Dr. Bryan. Bryan was simply the biggest show-off out of all of them. I can't reveal the names of these two doctors at this time, but they worked closely with Bryan on these things and are still alive. I have a great deal of evidence which I would be happy to give to the authorities if they wish to have it. Bryan and these two doctors worked on the same things in the CIA's mind control research. Bryan is dead, but the other two are still alive. I would really like to see them questioned about this most bizarre piece of the puzzle. These were people, who, like Sirhan, were in the right place at the right time, as Southern California was a hotbed of mind control research. Bryan and his colleagues worked in clinics there. Sirhan was looking for help at that time to combat a mysterious ailment. He readily agreed to be hypnotised. He was a perfect subject, because he was very easy to influence. After the assassination, when the authorities hypnotised him on many occasions, attempting to determine his mental state, they found that he was easy to hypnotise, and so on. That's very circumstantial, and the public often finds it difficult to understand. I would also prefer to be discussing the number of bullets in Sirhan's gun than discussing the possibility of "Manchurian Candidates". There's less of a leap into the realm of the mind. But I seriously believe that Sirhan's manipulation through hypnosis played a really important role in this case."

Why did Sirhan Sirhan need psychiatric help?

"A year or so before the assassination, Sirhan had a serious fall from a horse and injured himself. It destroyed his dreams of becoming a jockey. His whole character changed. He became very solemn, withdrawn. Strangely enough, he was described as "cured". Despite this he went from doctor to doctor, complaining of strange symptoms and more. My theory is, that after seeing ten or so doctors, and trying some self-hypnosis to relieve the pain, he was in the perfect position to go to a certain clinic, which may have been recommended to him, where he landed in the hands of Dr. Bryan and possibly his colleagues. There's no record of Sirhan ever visiting a psychiatrist, but he was bound to have done so, given his interest in hypnosis and his desire to find some way of relieving the pain he suffered from."

Have you ever received threatening phone calls or been watched?

"There haven't been any threatening calls yet. But some things have happened in LA which were linked to the group I work with."

Which group is that?

"Paul Schrade, Floyd Nelson of the RFK Assassination Truth Committee, and others.

We were definitely and without doubt watched. I'm not sure how sinister the purpose was but it is certain that the LAPD can't stand critics. And there we were, making their lives difficult and criticising them. We know now, that the former Chief of Police Daryl Gates set up a secret team who followed people they suspected, whether that person was Jane Fonda, the Mayor or people from the Police Commission. Here's a couple of examples:

Floyd's apartment was in a very run down area in North Hollywood. The police were never there when they were needed. There were shootings, drugs were being dealt on the street corner, but there was no sign of the police. Once when I arrived on RFK business, suddenly there, right in front of the building was a police car! And I don't mean an undercover car - a totally normal police car! It was as if they wanted to say, 'Hey, we're watching you!'

My favourite example is: Once when I was in LA to take part in the hearings of the police commission concerning the release of the files, there was a message for me at my hotel which said that I should contact Commander Matthew Hunt at LAPD. When I spoke to him, he told me I could not appear before the commission the next day, because so and so. I shouldn't even try. However, what was far more interesting for me was, how had he got hold of my address? I hadn't informed anyone where I was staying and he hadn't asked any of my colleagues. I think it was LAPD's way to say: 'We know who you are and where you are and we're watching you...'"

 

 

An Interview with Larry Teeter, Attornet for Sirhan


©Paul Nellen, Hamburg, Germany 1994

Teeter is playing some Bach on the piano

"My most enjoyable time was when I went to Muehlhausen in East-Germany and had a chance to play an organ in Bach's church where he had his second job... I have been to all of the cities he worked in. It's a hobby of mine."

"I think it's very interesting the way the history of his life is not adequately understood. It seems to me that - I recall reading someone who said that Bach's life was just his music. But Bach's life was a tremendous struggle against authority all of his life. And this it seems to me is not given wide circulation. The reason for that is because it's embarrassing to the existing class system that this is this kind of life he had. Even at the beginning for his first job in Arnstadt he was in a struggle with his employers over performance of duties which were not specified in his contract. Or in Weimar, he was thrown to jail for having had the nerve to ask for an increase in salary and for permission to go into another city to work."

"Bach was terribly abused. He wrote the "Musical Offering" (Das Musikalische Opfer) and never received either payment or even an acknowledgement from Frederick The Great. In fact, when I went to Potsdam, I was told by the museum's tour guide at the big palace on the hill (Schloss Sanssouci), that Bach was never allowed to visit that palace because he was just a composer writing in the German style. So Frederick came down the hill to the smaller palace, which was destroyed during the war. He wasn't good enough. And as I just said, he was never paid or even thanked for his work. And at the end, he died under very difficult circumstances. What seems to have happened is that, as his replacement was picked while he was still alive, he had to endure humiliation, and there were fights up till the end. And then when he died, his inventory of musical instruments did not even include a harpsichord, which indicates that he wasn't really well-off. Much of his music was sold by Carl-Philip Emanuel, so that Anna Magdalena could survive. This includes a bronze plate of "Die Kunst der Fuge" - gone forever. Even though it was in Bach's own hand, sold for the value of the copper itself, not for the music, but just for the value of the copper itself. I've read that when Bach died, his family was split up, his children were sent to other people in Bach's extended family. And Anna-Magdalena ultimately was so poor that she was left as a public charity case. So, this is a tremendous injustice and yet it gets suppressed, and nobody knows about it today because for this to be acknowledged, that certainly the greatest musician of all time and in my opinion the greatest mind of all time, for this to happen to him is a tremendous indictment of the way society is organised. I think that the way we look at history is very important because it tells us how we are going to look at the present - which is why I'm Sirhan's lawyer."

"In this particular case, my goal would be a new trial for Sirhan. On the basis of the fact that his constitutional rights were grievously violated during the course of his trial. The prosecution and the police suppressed and destroyed evidence to an extent that is really most remarkable. There is strong indication that false evidence was actually presented against Sirhan Sirhan in - at his trial. And furthermore, his attorneys were severely ineffective. However, it may be that that ineffectiveness was promoted or instigated by the prosecution. There are a number of voices to approach that. But overall, I'm convinced that his trial was grossly inconsistent with basic requirements of fairness. And the evidence really points to his innocence. I can say with reasonable confidence that Sirhan is not the person who shot RFK. But the official story is that he is. You see the difference between these official stories and reality. But the official story is the one that gets believed and has currency. It's the same with the stories about Mozart and Bach: there is a official image; and you really have to probe quite carefully to find out that the official image has been constructed to cover up a reality that's very embarrassing to the existing power structure. That's the same thing with the Sirhan Sirhan matter."

"The evidence overwhelmingly shows multiple assailants as having been responsible for the assassination of RFK - which means a conspiracy. But the official story is that one man acted alone. The evidence is totally inconsistent with the theory that Sirhan Sirhan fired a gun from which a bullet came that struck RFK. But the official story is that's all what happened. Really, those are the two main points: the evidence shows a conspiracy and it shows that Sirhan Sirhan was not the person who shot RFK. But you see, these are very disturbing conclusions, because once these conclusions are accepted, then the question is: well, what was the real motive of these conspirators, who were they and how were they able to accomplish a situation in which a person who did not commit the shooting would be convicted of it? And the District Attorney's office and the LAPD with combined forces do really cover up what happened - who were these people?"

What evidence is there for a conspiracy?

"Conspiracy is an unlawful agreement between two or more people to accomplish an unlawful objective. That's one definition. Proof of conspiracy consists, first of all, of proof that the number of bullets fired in the pantry that day exceeded the number of bullets that could have been fired by Sirhan Sirhan's gun. There is overwhelming proof of more than eight shots having been fired in the pantry. A number of bullet holes were observed in various portions of the pantry. There is a famous photograph of a bullet hole in a doorjamb, also ceiling panels appear to have holes. Officers who first arrived on the scene put circles around these."

"Bill Klaber interviewed Bill Bailey, the first FBI agent to arrive on the scene and who emphatically insisted that he saw a bullet in a doorjamb, and who said that anybody who denies it either did not see the bullet or has another agenda. Well, the LAPD quickly removed ceiling panels and doorjambs. Did they preserve this evidence? Not really. It was destroyed in the mid-Seventies under the rational that there wasn't enough room in the LAPD's lockers to store the material! Which is most extraordinary, because if any evidence deserves to be preserved it would be that from a case with this historical importance. But it was not even introduced at trial because Sirhan's lawyers conceded that Sirhan was the person who shot RFK, which is just amazing."

"(You asked...) how they could have done it? Well, there is some indication that they were misled. The best evidence that Sirhan Sirhan was not the shooter is the autopsy report prepared by Dr. Thomas Noguchi. That report clearly and categorically states that the shot which entered RFK's neck was fired from a distance no more than two inches from the rear and toward the left which means behind RFK's right ear. By every single account, Sirhan Sirhan's gun was separated from RFK's body by several feet, not one or two inches, several feet. Sirhan Sirhan was standing off in the front toward the right, but several feet away. Not one witness, either those at the trial or those interviewed or those came forward subsequently, has been able or willing to state that Sirhan Sirhan was standing sufficiently close to RFK to have afflicted the fatal wounds. By itself, this eliminates Sirhan Sirhan as a suspect in the actual shooting of RFK. It may not eliminate him as a suspect in the shooting of some of the other people who were shot there. But as to RFK, the bullet that hit RFK did not come from Sirhan Sirhan's gun, and the autopsy report proves that. The trial transcript shows that the autopsy report had not been made available to Sirhan's trial attorneys until very shortly before or actually during the trial. This is an extraordinary delay on the prosecution's part in turning over a potentially exonerating piece of material evidence."

The judge didn't realise this?

"It's not entirely clear whether Sirhan Sirhan's lawyers fully understood the meaning of it. No court dealt with the consequence of this (expert) delay regarding fairness towards Sirhan or doubted the competence of his lawyers. This is what I'm trying to get at: the prosecution had, probably enough, created a situation in which Sirhan's lawyers were purposefully prevented from discussing whether Sirhan was RFK's murderer in the first place. The defence was based purely on debating Sirhan's mental state, suggesting he was drunk and didn't know what he was doing."

"In addition, two bullets were found in RFK's body: one inside the head, really just bullet fragments. An identifiable bullet was recovered from RFK's neck and is described in the autopsy report:"

"A deformed bullet later identified as .22 calibre is recovered at the terminus of the woundpath just described at 8:40 a.m. on June 6, 1968. There is a unilateral transverse deformation. The contour of which is indicated on the accompanying diagram. The initials "TN" and the number 41 are placed on the base of the bullet for future identification."

"Now, this is a photo of the label on the envelope in which this bullet was placed. This exhibit is called PEOPLES 47, it was introduced to the trial as PEOPLES 47. You can see here a diagram, and you notice that the diagram shows a protrusion at the top of the bullet going off to one side, which corresponds with Dr. Noguchi's reference, "There is a unilateral transverse deformation." He also indicates that he put his initials "TN" on the base of the bullet as well as the number "41". For many years, this evidence was really unavailable. It was viewed by a few people, but the general public couldn't see it. After a huge campaign, the LAPD was forced under public pressure to release what it purported to be it's files to the State Archives in Sacramento. As was pointed out in Klaber's documentary, the research was really astonishing in showing how much was really missing. We recently had a chance to look at PEOPLES 47. We photographed PEOPLES 47. The diagram is there, and there is a reference to 5 grooves in the bullet. But when you look at the bullet inside the envelope, what you see is a bullet that does not have, as Dr. Noguchi called it, "a unilateral transverse deformation on the top". You see an essentially undeformed bullet. And when this bullet was examined by a firearms expert who was there at our request, it was noted to have 6 grooves and not 5."

The bullet was changed?

"It does not seem that the bullet which Dr. Noguchi withdrew from Kennedy's neck was the bullet that was shown to the jury. But the bullet that was shown to the jury was the bullet that the police expert DeWayne Wolfer said matched bullets test-fired from what was called Sirhan's gun. You realise, of course, the implication: what's being said here is that the evidence suggests that the neck bullet was removed and another bullet was put in its place. So the police expert could testify that there was a match between the so-called - that is, substituted - neckbullet and a test-fired bullet from Sirhan's gun. Which means - and this is the main point - that the prosecution's evidence against Sirhan Sirhan was a manufactured case, a made-up case, a phoney case for which Sirhan Sirhan was framed."

Who was responsible for this fraud?

"The bullets were in the custody of the police dept. It's much more difficult to identify who did this than to determine that it was done. But for Sirhan Sirhan's legal purposes the impact is clear. If we're right - and it seems that we are because the bullet inside that envelope does not in any way resemble this diagram or Dr. Noguchi's description of the bullet in his autopsy report - if we're right that the bullet was switched than the case against Sirhan was based upon manufactured evidence and the real bullet was destroyed. We didn't find any bullet in Sacramento which has this kind of deformation which resembles either the diagram or the autopsy description of the neck bullet. So where is the bullet? Was it discarded, was it destroyed? Destruction of evidence especially this kind of critical evidence is a complete violation of basic fairness and due-process. We will use this as the basis for our attempt to convince the courts first of the State of California, and if necessary the Federal Courts, to grant Sirhan Sirhan a new trial under the Due Process Clause of the 14th Amendment of the US Constitution, which contains the requirement of equal protection of the laws and to due process which means basic fairness in the conduct of relations between citizens and the government."

"My first contact with this case was seeing it on TV when it happened. I saw it, I assumed, "they have somebody, he was seen at the time, a gun was taken from his hands, it's an open-and-shut case, he did it", and I went back to studying for my exams. If somebody had told me in 1968 that I would one day be involved as a lawyer in what I had seen on TV, I would have thought they were mad. You see, I had no idea at the time that I was going to be a lawyer. When I had later read more and more about the JFK and Martin Luther King assassinations, and this case, I became more and more concerned about the existence of evidence pointing toward multiple gunmen, a conspiracy, a police cover-up and the rest. And recently when I was contacted and asked if I would agree to represent Mr. Sirhan, I said "Yes".

"I have handled criminal cases for a number of years and also cases involving the government. I have done a number of lawsuits against federal intelligence agencies, e.g. the FBI, the CIA, etc. But this is a very complex case. I'm not the only lawyer working on this case, I have another who works with me."

Why is this case so important for the American public?

"It's all a question of whether the government is telling us the truth or not. It's just as much a question of whether the political process is being manipulated by powerful agencies within the government, who intend to rob the American people of their right to choose a president. There is strong evidence that JFK intended to withdraw troops from Vietnam if he was re-elected to office in 1964. That would certainly have affected the Pentagon and the CIA's pet project, which would have poured millions into the coffers of the military industry complex. The evidence is not only strong but definite, that RFK intended to withdraw troops from Vietnam if he won the 1968 presidential election. It was certain that he would win the nomination of presidential candidate for the Democratic Party. The polls showed clearly that RFK was way ahead of his opponent, Richard Nixon. If he had not been murdered, we would have had President Robert F. Kennedy and the Vietnam war would have immediately ended by peaceful means.... and the history of the USA would have been quite different. JFK and his brother were much removed from the politics of Ronald Reagan and George Bush, who dedicated themselves to a policy of confrontation with the Soviet Union, the Arms Race, the profits for the arms industry, etc. It is not unthinkable that powerful forces in the USA felt threatened by the thought of a President Robert F. Kennedy. That explains who could have had a motive to kill him, in order to prevent his election. If RFK was really the victim of a conspiracy, organised by the intelligence agencies of the US government or by the power of the military industry complex, then the democratic process was manipulated by dark forces within the government; what do we have then? Do we have a democratic society, or something different? Everyone knows that military coups are nothing out of the ordinary in Latin-American countries. They shouldn't happen in the USA. If it could happen here, we have a right to know. We would have to accept that the government tries everything in it's power to prevent us from knowing. There's a disturbing story linked to that. Scott Enyart, then a teenager, was in the Ambassador Hotel with fake press identification and a camera. He was in the pantry during the RFK assassination, which he photographed. He testified that he had seen several armed men who had fired during the assassination and that he had photographed them. Shortly after the assassination he was taken in by the LAPD. His film was confiscated. He was released, but without the photographs taken in the pantry. Why those? Would one not expect the LAPD to proudly show this proof at the trial, showing Sirhan Sirhan firing a gun? One has to expect, though, that the LAPD would withhold evidence from us, if the evidence supported a theory that was different from their own..."

"Scott Enyard never got his film back. When the LAPD were finally forced to release their files to the public, not only was the majority of the lesser evidence missing, but also Scott Enyard's film, among other things. That was never publicised. LAPD ordered the stuff to be burned. For the LAPD to be involved in the destruction of evidence in a case of this magnitude is absolutely scandalous! Their usual excuse, that the photographs were duplicates - this behaviour is inexcusable. The burning of these photographs is the same as the destruction of material by those involved in Watergate or the Iran-Contra affair, to prevent Congress from getting hold of it. These photographs could have shown a series of events far removed from what the LAPD would like the general public to believe happened."

And Dr. Bryan?

"A question: is it possible to program a murderer as is shown in the film "The Manchurian Candidate"? The official answer is "No, you can't hypnotically program someone to do something which the moral beliefs of the concerned person would prevent." But some experts have contradicted this. If the hypnotised person can be made to imagine certain events, which would result in an action which, under normal circumstances, the moral beliefs of the person would prevent, then this person can be convinced to carry out an otherwise unthinkable action. The person need only strongly believe that the circumstances are justified. If someone, for example, is led to believe, through hypnosis, that a person is sitting in front of them with a gun and is going to shoot them, then it is theoretically possible to convince them to shoot the other person... The evidence supporting this theory is impressive. Phil Melanson wrote in his book ("The RFK Assassination")... It appears that the CIA carried out experiments in the Fifties, and also in the Sixties, to test the possibility of hypnotically programming murders. And that it had succeeded during the course of it's experiments in determining that people could be hypnotically induced to perform reprehensible acts without having any memory that they had committed these acts. If that's the case then it would have been possible for someone to program someone like Sirhan Sirhan or anybody else who is a suitable subject to walk into a pantry, pull out a gun and begin pulling the trigger. From the very beginning there had been powerful suggestions, advanced from a number of quarters, that Sirhan may had been in some sort of trance-like state. When driving to the police station, in Sirhan Sirhan's company, Sirhan Sirhan was observed by Jesse Unruh, a powerful Californian politician, who said that Sirhan Sirhan appeared to be in some sort of a trance. Once in police custody, he was placed under hypnosis later on by defense psychiatrist Dr. Diamond. And he behaved in a way to cause Dr. Diamond to conclude, that Sirhan Sirhan had been hypnotised."

Teeter brings out paper.

What is it?

"A page from Sirhan Sirhan's diary, in which he or someone else has covered an entire page with "R-F-K MUST DIE!" Some people have taken this to be automatic writing, which shows that he was in a hypnotic trance. It would be best if you asked him yourself..."

"Sirhan Sirhan testified that he had no memory of the shooting. The last thing he remembered was sitting at the bar and being asked by a pretty girl: "Pour me a cup of coffee with plenty of milk and sugar!" And than he saw this shiny coffee urn. The next thing he remembered was being hit by someone and forced against the steam table in the pantry. Therefore, he maintains that he has absolutely no memory of any occurrence directly connected to the shooting. Some people have put forward the theory that this is due to his hypnotised state; this caused whole sections of his memory to be deleted and other memories to be put in, in which nothing occurred, more or less. Proof that Sirhan Sirhan was not self-hypnotised comes from the actual process of forgetting . The experts I have asked all state that in self-hypnosis, one always remembers at least the actual act of hypnotising oneself. Only when one is hypnotised by another person to carry out a specific action does the phenomena of memory gaps occur.

Everyone who I have asked has said that a suitable person can be programmed to carry out a criminal act and afterwards have no memory of the act, nor memory of the programmer nor the actual programming. That is alarming. We would prefer to believe that creating robotic murderers through hypnotic techniques is impossible. But this is exactly what appears to have happened in Sirhan Sirhan's case. The true culprits are those who hold this knowledge and who have used it. There is no question that the CIA possessed this information and were in a position to use it. At the time they were mixed up in the Vietnam War, which they didn't want to see ended. If you are searching for the guilty party, then the CIA must be near the top of the list. My job is to get Sirhan a re-trial, not to find out who is really guilty of the crime. I am trying to prove that his rights were infringed. And they were, of that I am convinced. I've mentioned some of the main reasons for that."

What's the main argument for reopening the case?

"We found out in the mid-Eighties, when the LAPD files were released after years of resistance, that an enormous amount of evidence which could be used in a defence case had been destroyed and had never been offered to the defence. I'm talking (now) about the destroyed photographs, the evidence from the crime scene itself, which was destroyed or altered. We discovered recently, as I mentioned earlier, that it is highly probable that the bullet, which Dr. Noguchi removed from RFK's body, was taken and replaced with a bullet that matched Sirhan's alleged weapon, so that Sirhan could be identified as the gunman. I would also say that the main points for a re-trial are: the case against him was fabricated, incorrect and a case in which Sirhan was wilfully framed. Evidence of Sirhan's innocence, and also evidence that other armed people were at the scene of the crime, was methodically and systematically withheld from the defence - another newly uncovered piece of evidence which supports his innocence. And finally the argument that Sirhan's right to fair trial was ignored as much by the defence itself as by the methods with which the police and the prosecution manipulated his lawyers and led them to believe that his guilt was undisputed. The delay in releasing the autopsy notes is a staggering event. That was never clarified. It would be interesting to hear what excuses they'd make about that."

When will the case be reopened?

"In order to get a re-trial, we need to submit a petition to the Supreme Court. Due to the amount of evidence, the court will have to rule that Sirhan's trial broke the basic rights of fair trial. If we lose, we will submit a similar petition to the Supreme Appeal Court of California and if necessary, to the Supreme Court of California. Again, if we lose we will apply to the US District Courts in LA. We hope, one way or another, to find one or more judges who have the courage to start a new trial for Sirhan Sirhan. Wenn das stattfindet, dann allerdings hat die Oeffentlichkeit die Chance, im Gerichtssaal selbst von den Beweisen zu erfahren und noch vieles mehr. We look forward to this day! This evidence has never been published."

"The jury which sentenced Sirhan Sirhan was never told what I am telling you here. None of it. Nothing. The jury was never told that the bullet presented at the trail and listed as entry "PEOPLES 47" - supposedly the back bullet - was not the bullet with the characteristic bulge that originated from RFK's back. The jury was never told that the police destroyed 1000 pictures in the LA County USC Medical Centre hospital's incinerator. They were never told anything about the arrest of Scott Eynard as they seized his film or about what he saw. The jury was never told that the autopsy report showed that the shots which killed RFK were fired from a distance of not more than 2 inches from his body (***). Neither were they told that according to several witnesses, Sirhan Sirhan was a fair distance from the Senator. Such significant evidence was never heard by the jury. There were never any expert witnesses who supported the theory that Sirhan Sirhan had been hypnotically programmed. The only defence brought against Sirhan Sirhan that he had no control over himself was because of alcohol abuse."

"This made his trail so unfair. Many pieces of evidence were even withheld from the defence. Whatever they had as evidence... We are concerned with the then manipulation of witness statements by the LAPD. There are indications that witness were beaten through the use of certain interview techniques, the alteration of their statements or somehow through the production of statements to suit the police. No doubt you have heard the Serrano tape. It is remarkable how it was finished and eventually broke. Writing about the case, Deputy Sheriff Houten proudly wrote in his book that the key to the case was the breaking of Sandra Serrano by Sergeant Enrique Hernandes. Serrano made a statement that contained very strong references to a conspiracy. She describes... (description of Serrano case follows ***). This could also have occurred with other witnesses, but all of the book have been destroyed. Only the Serrano book survives. Others may have been able to stand by their stories."

"A witness places Sirhan or somebody who looked like him in a weapons shop with others of Middle Eastern appearance before the assassination. One of the men was wearing clothing that looked similar to that of a member of hospital staff. The witness was never invited to the trial. However, she was interviewed by Mr Hernandez. The witness Mrs Donna Herrick - the store owner - never changed her story when put under pressure. With great surprise, she said that she had planned to be quoted in Houton's book as a woman who "could be broken as she admitted that she had not seen these men". This, according to her today, is completely untrue. She never said this in the interview and stands by her original statement. But where is this book? It is missing and unavailable."

Why has the Serrano tape survived?

"It is possible that it was a mistake. However, many have wondered how much is really missing: the pictures, tape recordings, pieces of evidence from the crime scene, the door*** -all pieces of evidence that should have been kept for historical reasons. There was another weapon that was fired - ***a test shooting during the preparation for the trial***. Although Mr Wolfer (the weapons expert for the prosecution) testified to the contrary, this weapon appears to have been destroyed shortly after the test shooting. Astonishing! A second weapon destroyed! We do not know if this weapon was used in the shooting - there are no indications of such - but a weapon that was used for test purposes should not be destroyed. Pictures from the crime scene should not really be destroyed! Some pieces of evidence disappeared deliberately from right under the noses of the investigation authorities. A security guard by the name of Thane Cesar was armed with a weapon and accompanied RFK into the pantry. He held Kennedy's arm. He stood on the place, where according to the autopsy, the shot originated. And this man had a weapon. One would expect that he [the gunman] would have been arrested and his weapon examined. But he was neither arrested nor questioned as a suspect nor - and this is particularly interesting - his weapon was never examined. Weeks after the assassination the FBI wanted to obtain his weapon for inspection. He told them that he had only carried a .38 and not a .22 and that he did not have this weapon anymore as he had sold it to somebody in the mid West (???). When the alleged buyer was questioned he said that the weapon had been stolen."

"The weapon that belonged to the security guard who actually lead RFK by the right arm into the pantry and who was standing on the spot where the shoots that killed RFK could have been, or probably were fired from, was never examined. This is quite astonishing! This seems to be nothing short of incompetence or pure stupidity. - it has a clear handprint (??). One must ask if a police authority can be so stupid to accidentally destroy photographs and material from the crime scene and not make to secure a weapon from the scene. They did arrest the photographer Scott Eynard though! One must surely think that if they are interested in Eynard's photographs that they would have confiscated Cesar's weapon. This would have been the least one would expect from any serious investigators. However it was not in the least bit of interest - the weapon could have left the room with Thane Cesar! But not the photographs. That would have been something!"

"The following hypotheses are possible: there were forces at work within the LAPD that, at the time of the murder, were already prepared to assume the role of a cover-up department. This is a possible theory. Some of these theories closely match the evidence. However, here it is my job to prepare a new trial for Sirhan Sirhan and therefore, to find legal arguments for which there is overwhelming support in the records. When the prosecution uses false evidence, an approximate wound to the throat is presented that isn't one, then it is a deceptive trial. When the prosecution destroys evidence which shows armed men, then it is a deceptive trial. They make the fairness of the trial impossible. When the prosecution withholds evidence until the last minute so that it cannot be appropriated, understood and recognised - material which shows that the person who shot RFK did not stand where Sirhan Sirhan stood - the process is unfair. There are a number of points here. The disturbing thing about it all however is how could this happen in LA?"

"You ask about parallels between this case and the murder of JFK. I have already named one: the military-industrial complex and the Vietnam war. There was a huge fight in the sixties surrounding this war. It began with a handful of demonstrators. In the end a massive movement grew out of it much like the Green Party in Germany. In 1968 the movement was so powerful that President Johnson - who was completely identifiable with the expansion of the war - was forced to announce that he would no longer stand for president. This was a powerful victory for the freedom movement. It was absolutely certain that regardless of which democratic candidate won a nomination, the Vietnam war would be ended. If it wasn't RFK then it would be McGovern, but most probably Kennedy. It did not matter, there would be a democratic "anti-war" candidate with an excellent chance to beat Nixon and become president. However, there was a group of people who were not so keen to see this happen."

Do you think you have a chance of being successful?

"There are powerful forces against the chances of success (in this matter). What for example, is with the attempts to move the LA County Grand Jury to reinvestigate the case? A particularly difficult and noble undertaking that should be made. But try and guess who the attorney for the LA County Grand Jury is? The LA County District attorney! He and he alone has access to the Grand Jury and can give them legal advice. One would think that the District Attorney's Office would be ashamed if it were to tell the Grand Jury how to conduct an investigation into the District Attorney's Office. One would like to assume that they tell them to seek another attorney who advises them to investigate their office. But they are not doing this. The District Attorney's Office has abused its privilege in the Grand Jury to, in my opinion, manipulate their case. This is only an example of the difficulties. The petition signed by Oliver Stone was a request for the Grand Jury to take the case on. To date they have not done so and the District Attorney acts as their advising lawyer - there must be a link here!"

The point which concerns me and the court here was never before discussed by the court.

"You asked about the difficulties. In general, the whole area of law is very conservative. Attorneys who are involved with cases of public interest must perform a never-ending task. I don't think that it would be easy to convince a judge to pass a new sentence which says that this particular case was legally mis-handled. If such a sentence was to be passed it would be an big surprise to the LAPD and the District Attorney. The concluding results of such a sentence - a new trail for Sirhan Sirhan - would reveal the truth in a complete and public discussion, but this time on the screens of the nation, whereas before television did not exist in the courts. If there was a new trial today then the whole world would be able to see what happened here! The whole world would learn that Sirhan never stood where it would have been possible for him to have shot RFK. The whole world would learn what happened with Scott Enyard! And the facts about the other weapons and shots. The whole world would learn all of this!"

How does the U.S. media treat the case today?

"In general this case is ignored..., because many reporters are ignorant of the facts. And this leads to more unsettling questions and conclusions. Many in the media would prefer not to stir things up and ask questions. They do not want to destroy the public's trust in the Government as this causes a lot of problems for us all. The European media is much more open and objective. I do not want biased reporting. I only hope for a fair recollection of the facts. In the duration of this case this has never happened. When Oliver Stone made the film "JFK" and the public saw it, they began to think about the real possibility of a CIA cover-up. Which I also believe to really be what happened. This however is not what the US Government is telling us happened. They cling to the fiction that Lee Harvey Oswald killed Kennedy on his own. The majority of the people do not believe this, but the Government clings to this stupid, sick fairytale version of the story like a pitbull. Because when just for a moment they backdown and admit to a cover-up, the people will also want to know who was responsible and why they [the Government] have lied to us for so long. And this is exactly the same for RFK. The Government is afraid to admit a cover-up because otherwise people will want to know why they have lied for so many years, who they are protecting and whose orders they have been listening to. And then people will suddenly start to wake up and ask questions about the basic nature of our existence. They would ask: hold on a moment, in school we are taught that we live in a democracy and now we suddenly discover that events in our lives are being manipulated by dark and secret forces ***. And then fantastic lies will be created that obscure the truth."

Are there really no journalists who are interested in this?

"There have been some programmes. In general, the District Attroney's Office deals contemptuosly with enquiries. Oh once again talk of conspiracy theories. This is how the federal Governement dealt with the JFK case. Sensationalism in order to sell their books. They just dismissed the critics. *** But who controls the media in the USA? The big corporations. It is understandable that they do not want to be asked unsettling questions. For example, one of the big TV institutions is NBC which is connected to General Electric who build atomic power plants and warheads. One can predict that such a TV instution does not, for example, want a serious discussion amongst economists about the arms race because the truth would create a public climate that could damage investments which the corporations in the nuclear weapons industry are involved in. This could be one explanation for the media's bias. I believe that both murder cases are completely linked with the fate of the military-industrial complex. This was the biggest winner for bothe Kennedy murders. Both of them allowed the Vietnam war to start. And this was particularly profitable for the weapons industry and high ranking CIA and Pentagon officials who were connected to the Vietnam war."

"Our hope is that the truth will come to light. The trial was a suppression of the truth. The LAPD has spent years sabotaging public access to the truth. That's very disturbing for everyone who believes in the democratic system. I just want to see the truth come out. As an attorney I want a trail to be carried out fairly and not corrupted. I believe that it has been systematically corrupted through the suppression and destruction of evidence and through the denial of Sirhan Sirhan's right to a fair trial because of the incompetence of his attorneys. I believe that evidence discovered recently really proves his innocence. Sirhan Sirhan has the right to see this evidence and the public has the right to learn about it. This trail has by far nothing to do with reality."

 

 

An Interview with Bill Klaber

©Paul Nellen, Hamburg Germany, 1994

Bill Klaber is the author of "The RFK Tapes", a one hour program for a small private New York State radio station. In 1993, the program was broadcast by more than 160 radio stations across the U.S.

"The murder of RFK is peculiar for a number of reasons. On the surface it seems like a very open and shut case: a man is shot and another man is caught at the scene of the crime with a gun in hand. Very simple, it appears. But underneath those facts lay a lot of other facts which are disturbing and strange. One of the strange facts is that the police took the files of the RFK-assassination and held them secret for 20 years. That always bothered me. I always wondered why. And so I began to look into the reasons why the files were kept secret for 20 years. And I found a number of very disturbing things about the assassination."

"These are people who have been involved in the case in one way or another. Some of them since the assassination. Some of those people who were there in the night of the assassination. And when I made the program, I travelled around the country and I talked with people who were there, people who investigated the crime and people who have done investigative work since that time and recorded their recollections."

"I'm just a volunteer. This is a very small radio station up here in the mountains. And I do a little work over in the radio station. But when we went ahead to do this program, it was picked up by other 160 radio stations around the country. So we're very gratified in that."

"It was all my own money. It's my project completely."

"When you look at the evidence, there are a number of very disturbing things. One: it appears to be an almost virtual certainty that more than 8 shots were fired in the hotel pantry where RFK was murdered. There is a lot of evidence to this effect. If that's the case, if more than 8 shots were fired, than someone other than Sirhan had to be firing a gun as well, because Sirhan's gun holds only 8 bullets. So when you start with the fact that more than 8 shoots were fired, and then you look in the autopsy, which appears to show that the bullet wounds in RFK come from a completely different direction than from where Sirhan was standing, then you have a very deep mystery."

"I don't believe the Sirhan Sirhan's case should be reopened in the sense that I don't trust and believe any government investigation would come to any conclusions different from the ones they have already arrived at. By the very nature, government investigations tend to be very clumsy and stupid. I believe there is a truth underneath this assassination which should be exposed by the American media which have done a very miserable job so far in this case."

"I believe that in America there are still certain things that you can't talk about in magazines, on TV and on network news. And the assassination of the Kennedy's is one of those things. The record of the media - New York Times, CBS, Washington Post, the major networks - is atrocious in regards of the assassination. They have led no major investigations for all the staff and the people they have, they have done nothing in 25 years, in 30 years since the murder of John Kennedy to uncover the truth in these cases. All the work that has been done in both the RFK assassination and the JFK assassination has been done by private citizens."

"I think what is significant here is that 25 years after the crime, a private citizen with no connections to major news organizations or access to major resources is able to travel around the country and uncovered a severe evidence of wrong-doing on a part of LAPD in the assassination of a major presidential candidate in this country. And in the 25 years no major news organisation or investigative body in this country has done so. To me that says a lot about what's going on in this country and how honest our news is and how honest our public authorities are."

"As I said, "The RFK Tapes", the program was picked up by 160 radio stations across the country which was a major victory for us, because we are a small radio station and our program was not sponsored by the NPR network. But it was picked up by 160 radio stations. In addition TIME MAGAZINE run a full-page review of the program (see below). This was the first time a major American publication or TV news network or anything has admitted that there were serious problems within the RFK assassination. After the TIME MAGAZINE article came out and the program was aired across the country, I received numerous phone calls and request for interviews. But the majority of those came from outside the country: from Japan, Saudi Arabia, Western Europe. More people were interested in other places in the world than in the US in this program."

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