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Bobbie 
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(3/14/01 3:29:07 pm)
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How to start a child's bow hold
I have several cello students now but one I got a few months after my own teacher started her out and the other was an adult with a lot of musical experience. I'm going to be teaching a 7 1/2 year old boy, starting soon. Since it seems pretty natural for a child to pick up the bow "wrong", how do you teach him to hold it correctly? Also, what would you expect from a child this age in terms of practice?

Bob Blais
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(3/14/01 10:33:38 pm)
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I start people with the thumb and 2nd finger at the balance point of the bow, with the other fingers holding the bow with the tips of their fingers. As they get used to it I move the bow toward the frog week by week.

I don't think it matters that they practice a lot, just daily. Perhaps even twice a day for five minutes or so. This will increase gradually, especially as you give them more to do.

Bob Blais

Lucy Clifford
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(3/15/01 1:37:07 am)
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Re: How to start a child's bow hold
Here is one area in which I feel mildly qualified to post - my main teaching practice involves 4 - 8 year old children ;)

A few things that I've worked out, and that you must feel free to take and modify and customise (the most importace facet of teaching young children is, IMHO, to adapt to their strengths and non-strengths.

1)
Yes, they DO pick up the bow wrong. I spend a lot of time on the bow, and often a lesson is spent ensuring that it is impossible for them to pick it up *incorrectly*! :rollin

I don't know about your feelings regarding parents at lessons, but often it is advisable to have a parent at the first bow holding lessons.


2) I start off by asking them to hold the bow at the balance point - just like Bob Blais has said. It is far easier to hold it here, and prevents hand collapse in either direction.

3)At each stage of bow hold stability I work back towards the frog of the bow, but not until they can demonstrate 100 perfect bow pick-ups in a lesson (not all at once, about 10 at a time).

4) I put the little finger on top of the bow, a la violin. This balances the bow, with the thumb supporting from beneath, and the little finger acting as a lever, so that the hand doesn't collapse towards the screw, which is caused by the weight of the frog. It also means that the hand is slanted the correct way, with all the fingers curved softly and relaxed.

I use a corn plaster (do they have theses in the States?), to rest the little finger in, so that it stays curved and put.

Only when the bow hold is relaxed and lovely to look at do I move the (now cut in half plaster, like a horseshoe, with the open end uppermost) on the side of the bow, near the pearl eye.

For a seven year old I would recomend, in the beginning stages, 10 minutes practice once a day, so that habits don't go bad, and torpor doesn't set it.

It is better to do this (with a timer to go off after 10 minutes!) than to drag on forever, getting no where at all.
Using the timer the child stops while ON TOP, and is hopefully positively looking forward to the next practice.

Bobbie 
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(3/15/01 4:55:37 pm)
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Thanks and another question
        Thanks, Bob and Lucy. When a child is between the right size for a half-size and a quarter-size cello, which would you choose? Is it better to start with a slightly too large cello or a slightly too small one? (This is assuming the student will be renting and can trade up later without any problem.)

Bob Blais
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(3/15/01 10:14:38 pm)
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I think smaller. What's the hurry? : )

Bob

Lucy Clifford
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(3/17/01 9:29:41 pm)
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smaller...
...but within reason. My instruments were ALWAYS too big - which was sometimes a struggle.

If the child is really small then yes, get the smaller sized cello.

To my mind if a child is only infinestimly (sp?) too small for a half, it would make more sense to get the half, because kids grow.

However there is a bit of a difference in size between the 1/4 and the 1/2.

I try to arrange a time to meet the family at the instrument shop, and try out cellos in varying sizes. Also I have quite a few students around this size, and can estimate it more easily.

playingfavorites 
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(3/21/01 6:03:27 pm)
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what works for me
I teach all ages . . . I love teaching and still adapt for each personality. That being said, some routine is best as a point of departure, then make changes as needed. My bow-hold routine involves a list of "steps" which I demonstrate for the student to copy and then "teach" me back.
1) hold bow in free hand
2) support the bow on the string (let the string hold the weight of the bow. At this point teacher can adjust its angle and contact point.)
3) Flex the thumb. ( Practice grasping, flexing motions in the air; at this point teacher can explain its role as fulcrum, avoiding stiffness etc.)
4) "FLOP" fingers down (as a unit)
5) This step is oitional - use only 4 is possible: "Pronate the arm" sometimes I say "up&over." For students whodon't align naturally.

Generally I model the same bow grip for students as I use myself - I find holding at the balance point too wiggly.
My young students seem to enjoy the empowerment of being able to check "1-2-3-4" and my older beginners appreciate a routine as well. Once explained, it takes little time and can be repeated often during the lesson without seeming a negative kind of reminder.


          New How to start a child's bow hold-Bobbie  -(6)-3/14/01 3:29:07 pm  
               New cello size-Bob Blais 3/15/01 10:14:38 pm  
               New Thanks and another question-Bobbie  3/15/01 4:55:37 pm  
                    New smaller...-Lucy Clifford 3/17/01 9:29:41 pm  
                         New what works for me-playingfavorites  3/21/01 6:03:27 pm  
               New Re: How to start a child's bow hold-Lucy Clifford 3/15/01 1:37:07 am  
               New bow hold-Bob Blais 3/14/01 10:33:38 pm  
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