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jc
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(7/13/00 2:17:47 pm)
Thumb Position Question
I'm writing to this page because my cello teacher is out of town for the summer and I need help!

If I understand this correctly, in first (and other positions) the knuckles are rounded with the fleshy part surrounding the strings(correct me if I'm wrong here) to produce good tone.

In thumb position, to keep the hand rounded in correct position I can't keep the first knuckle joint curved as my nail grows right to the edge of my fingers and prevents the fleshy parts from surrounding the strings. Hence, my tone is terrible in thumb position!

My nails are cut to the quick as it is and I can't get them any shorter without bleeding!

Is it ok to have the first knuckles concave in thumb position?

I don't want to get into any bad habits and as a beginner that is always a risk with a teacher out of town.

Can all you educators and professionals give me your opinions and advice?

Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks!

J C

Victor Sazer
Registered User
(7/14/00 5:41:04 pm)
Thumb P.
It might help if you use your thumb only when you us it to playing a note with it. Otherwise, do not hold it down or necessarily keep your other fingers in a stationary position.

You may also find it easier to play if you use each of your fingers one at a time (except of course, when you play double stops). It is helpful to allow your forearm to rotate or move forward and back to accommodate each playing finger.

The more fingers you hold down, the harder it is to play. This is something like walking; you go from one foot to the other but both feet are never on the ground at the same time.

jc
Registered User
(7/14/00 6:18:44 pm)
Re: Thumb Position Question
Thank you. This is very helpful. I was trying to
hold all the fingers down when, for example,
I played the third finger.

Is it ok then, to have the first finger knuckle joint
concave as I play it, since my nail is in the way
when the finger is upright playing the string?

Victor Sazer
Registered User
(7/15/00 1:32:05 pm)
Thumb, etc.

It is no tragedy if your first finger knuckle is concave, but I think you will have more freedom of movement and control if it is not. When possible, try lifting your arm (thumb and all) or moving it toward the scroll as you use your first finger. This will to allow more room for your first finger so it can function more freely. Allow your whole arm and hand unit to participate as you go from finger to finger, rather than just using your fingers and maintaining a position.

You might also try playing on the side of the string instead of centering your finger on the top surface and holding the string down. To do this, rest your finger on the wood between the upper strings and on the low side of the C string and touch the side of the string, using no more effort than necessary.

Approach the fingerboard from above rather than coming up from below. You can do this by extending your arm up in the air above the note that you wish to play and quickly bringing your arm down to touch the fingerboard. (This will often help establish a good alignment for your arm.) You may lean your finger toward the string or pull the string gently toward the side.

Contrary to common practice, the string does not have to touch the fingerboard except when you play pizzicato. If you experiment with this approach, you may increase your facility and improve your vibrato.

jc
Registered User
(7/16/00 6:10:25 pm)
Re: Thumb, etc.
Thank you very much! This is very helpful. Especially
the part about coming from above the note. I recently
read the book, The Cellists Inner Voice and they
described it as coming from behind forward. I have
your book and wish that my teacher as analytically thoughtful
as you are. As a beginner, I am finding thumb position
very hard, but this is quite helpful and the only thing to do is to keep at it until it is natural and without stress.
Thanks again!


          Thumb Position Question-jc-(4)-7/13/00 2:17:47 pm  
               Re: Thumb Position Question-jc 7/14/00 6:18:44 pm  
                    Thumb, etc.-Victor Sazer 7/15/00 1:32:05 pm  
                         Re: Thumb, etc.-jc 7/16/00 6:10:25 pm  
               Thumb P.-Victor Sazer 7/14/00 5:41:04 pm  
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