Someone provided a great lead-in to the subject of engine diagnostics -
I have a 1968 1641cc engine that I just rebuilt. My mechanic said to get a centrifugal advance (009) distributor, which I did. During the fire-up the engine would barely run -- it had a bad miss on one side. I found the #4 cylinder is not firing (no heat on the exhaust manifold). All others seem to be working fine.
I checked all the wires all are in the correct order and appear in good condition -- I even checked the resistance of the wires and they are the same. Common sense tells me I've got gas, I've got fire -- what is wrong with this cylinder? I even pulled the valve cover and all of the valves seem to be going up and down okay.
Rob responded with an excellent treatise on engine diagnostics -
Okay - let's start at the top and work through it.
Your tests are good so far (valves working, leads give similar ohms...)
Which cylinder is what -
front of car
3 1
4 2
rear of car
Firing order -
1-4-3-2
Distributor -
front of car
3  2
 0
4  1
rear of car
(The 0 is the centre wire to the coil.)
You say the engine is a '68 with 1641cc P&Cs.
The '68 was an H series single port 1500 engine. Do you still have the single port heads, or have you converted it to twin port?
The reason I ask is that if the single port heads have a loose manifold attachment (air leak), BOTH cylinders on that side will misfire, but with the twin port heads, it's just possible for a manifold air leak to one cylinder only. The twin port (TP) manifolds do need some attention to make sure they bed down correctly on the head - I've had a problem there in the past myself - thought I'd snugged the manifold down right but both cylinders that side were misfiring, and it was the manifold not quite sitting flat.
After checking that, check the plugs - swap plugs if you don't have a spare handy. Does the misfire move with the plug? I've had two Bosch plugs bad out-of-the-box, and have changed to NGK B5HS (or B5ES for the long thread heads). These are excellent plugs, very reliable so far.
If the misfire doesn't move with the plug, then get a spare plug and connect the #4 lead to it and lie it down touching the engine case, and start the engine - any spark? (easier to see at night or in the shade). If you have a spark then the plug in the head is suspect. (You aren't using "never seize" or similar on the plug threads I hope - that stuff can cause problems in the hot-running VW heads.)
No spark - then try another lead (completely swap leads if necessary). If the misfire moves with the lead - the lead is toast. If the misfire stays at #4, then maybe the distributor cap is toast. Make sure all wires are seated properly, the cap is clean, both inside and out, and check for hairline cracks. Have a look at the posts inside the cap - do they all show similar burn marks where the spark jumps from the rotor arm to the post? Maybe there is too much gap on the #4 post (bad cap?).
I presume you've correctly gapped the points? Points just barely opening may fail to open for one cylinder.
Test all cylinders for compression (5-6 rotations of the engine is usually enough -- 2-3 seconds cranking). They should all be more than 100psi (usually about 115-125psi for a 1600), and less than 10psi between best cylinder and worst cylinder. If one cylinder has low pressure, it will not be working right at idle, but will still provide some power at higher rpm so you would not notice it then. If the compression is lower than 100, then the engine needs rebuilding. Low compression usually means either a burned exhaust valve, or worn out piston rings. You can test for this. Squirt about 10ml (10cc) engine oil in the spark plug hole of the bad cylinder (try and squirt it in a circle around the cylinder using a syringe), and do a compression test again immediately. If the pressure is better, then the rings are badly worn (the oil seals them a small amount) - if the pressure is not changed, then the exhaust valve is burned. Engine oil will help seal leaky rings a little, but won't help a burned valve, so this test usually works quite well. If this test gives you results, then you will know if the cylinder heads need to be fixed, or if the pistons and cylinders need to be replaced.
For fun you could then wait a while and then do that cylinder again. If the compression has dropped at all, that confirms that the oil was filling gaps and has now drained away, so the rings in that cylinder have died.
If one valve is burned, ALL exhaust valves must be replaced. The exhaust valve is the hottest part of the VW engine (they glow red hot when you work the engine hard), and if one is damaged the others will soon follow, so you always replace all the exhaust valves together. (The inlet valves don't work nearly so hard - you don't have to worry about them).
Question -
I did the compression check -- first, I took the #1 plug out (with all others still in -- does that make a difference?
Response -
I think it does. Every procedure I have says to "remove all of the spark plugs from the engine" before doing a compression check. It makes for a lower load on the starter, and the engine will spin faster so you'll get a fractionally more accurate reading (less time for any leakage on each stroke).
Question -
Should the compression test be done on a cold or warm engine?
Response -
A cold engine will usually give a higher reading -- and of course you want to find the 'worst case' situation -- not the best case.
Question -
I decided to do the oil test, so I poured a little oil down in the #1 cylinder. Got a reading of 120 (110 before). So, a little bit of a difference.
Response -
Most likely the rings are worn. And since none of the readings are up in the 120-130 zone, they are probably ALL worn to some extent -- it's just showing up more on one side of the engine than the other.
The question continued -
One more thing. This is the kicker. I took the plug out, after realizing it wouldn't tighten, and noticed pieces of the cylinder head on the block in the threads of the spark plug. I really did it this time! I think I just ruined my entire engine.
Response -
What a shame -- sure indicates a stripped thread. But it CAN be fixed with a helicoil, any competent workshop can drill out the head hole (which SHOULD be out of the car so they can clean out the metal filings properly), and screw in the helicoil, which gives you a new thread.
The question continued -
I do not understand how I could have gotten readings over 20 psi apart, doing the exact same procedure, when the only difference is that the lower reading was with all plugs out, and the higher with all plugs in (with the exception of the one being tested).
Response -
But was the engine temp the same in both cases?
The question continued -
I think I am going to have to call Houston (Victorville -- Desert Autohaus in Victorville, California) and have them beam me a new engine.
Response -
Sounds like this plan is getting longer legs, since the stripped thread is just one more thing to add expense to the old engine anyway.
One thing to note (VERY CAREFULLY PLEASE). If the new engine comes with NEW heads rather than reconditioned ones, they will have the long-thread plugs in them -- the newer heads are all made to suit the 3/4" length rather than the older 1/2" length (NGK plugs are B5HS for short reach, and B5ES for long reach, for example). If the heads are reconditioned old ones, it could be either. Make sure you ask when you get the engine, because you MUST use the correct length plug. Using the long plug in the "short plug" heads risks the outer electrode touching a piston. And using the short plugs in the long-hole heads means the spark is not inside the cylinder, but inside the plug hole, and this leads to uneven firing, and more susceptibility to detonation.
Also ask about the compression ratio for the replacement engine. It should be kept to around 7 or 7:2 to 1 to enable you to use any fuel from 87 "pump octane" up. Any higher than 7:2 (7 is preferable in hotter climates), and you will need to use the higher octane gasoline.
Question -
We picked up a '74 SB for nearly nothing in a tow lot. When we give it gas and try to slip into first gear from idle, it does not want to go. It's as if it slips out of gear very gently as the clutch is let out, and then has died a couple of times if the clutch is left out and the accelerator pedal is continually pressed. Sometimes in that situation it jerks a bit, and will sputter and finally "catch" a little and go forward enough to put into second, where it does the same thing. It does the same in second, but does not do it in third or fourth.
When we try giving LOTS of gas when accelerating into first or second, it backfires and jerks, but will go a little better. It will move forward if I ride halfway between clutch out and in and the gas pedal. I had to resort to that to get it home tonight.
It seems to idle fine -- if we take it out of gear it idles smoothly. (Like when we go down hills -- engines idles just fine).
Response -
Probably not really enough to go on, but it sounds like either a carburettor/distributor problem, or a gearbox problem.
If it's going into gear, staying in gear, and changing OK, then it's probably NOT the gearbox. Popping out of gear, crunchy changes and sloppy gear stick are the most common gearbox problems.
You said that the engine idles OK but when you try to apply power it sputters and resists -- THAT sounds like a fuel/ignition problem.
A blocked main jet perhaps (runs on the idle jet OK but fails when you try to accelerate on to the main jet), blocked accelerator pump (which helps spin the engine up), or maybe the advance section of the carburetor has failed (is it a 009 or vacuum distributor?) and it's got no advance as you rev the engine.
If you have a timing light this one is easy to check. Paint the timing notch with a blob of white-out etc so it's easy to see, put the timing light on and start the engine. Pull on the throttle arm to rev it whilst watching the notch in the timing light - with a 009 it should start to move to the left (advance) smoothly as you accelerate the engine past about 1200 rpm (very fast idle). With a vacuum distributor - the timing mark should JUMP to the left as you blip the throttle.
Carburetor type and distributor type might help me work it out.
Oh - and could it be the clutch itself - slipping or not engaging properly? Are there any noises/vibration when you use the clutch?
And binding brakes -- could that be a problem? Does the car roll OK if you push it (gearstick in neutral).
Question –
I just bought a 1974 orange Super Beetle... It was running perfect, then it started to lose power. (I thought fouled spark plug).
Response –
As it lost power was the engine still running smoothly, or was it getting a hesitation of stutter (trying to eliminate plugs and fuel here)?
The question continued –
I checked the back and it looked like oil was coming from the fuel pump onto the fan belt. It was very hard to start, like a real low battery (bought brand new one - wasn't that). Then it wouldn't start at all.
Response –
So is it cranking at normal speed, or slow-cranking? If slow-cranking (with a good battery and the ignition lights still dimming as it's cranking), the starter might be on the way out.
Or not cranking but you hear a clicking as the starter solenoid moves (starter kaput - rebuild); or not clicking at all and the ignition lights stay full bright (solenoid not pulling in - starter kaput).
The question continued –
We tried push starting, rocking it, etc. We thought the engine might have seized, but it still will turn over in reverse.
Response –
So you can turn the crankshaft anti-clockwise (viewed from the back) but not clockwise?
That's really weird. Nothing stuck down behind the crankshaft pulley is there?
What happens when you push the car forward and try to bump start it in say 2nd - does the engine turn over or does it lock the back wheels when you let out the clutch and the engine stays motionless?
The question continued –
We are totally at a loss as to what could be making it want to seize. There was plenty of fuel, oil.
Response –
Not too much oil I hope. The VW crankcase uses 2.5 litres (2.2 US quarts) of oil. Overfilling can cause an excess of oil behind the pistons (since they lie on their sides just above the sump), and too much oil sloshing about there can cause problems with oil being forced out of the sump (but not usually causing overheating). I mention this because you said some oil seems to have been forced up out of the fuel pump area. Was the fuel pump replaced at all? there are several types of fuel pumps, the older type (pre-'71) have a longer push rod inside them which would make it difficult/impossible to screw down the pump properly- - any possibility a wrong pump/rod has been fitted?
Continued -
Could it have gotten overheated?
Response –
Nothing definite there, but a few things worth checking.
It does sound as though the engine has been overheated. It might turn over OK once it has fully cooled, but the cause needs to be found. If it has been overheated, it might have suffered internal damage too (sure hope not!)
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