Exhaust Smell in the Cabin

(See also a discussion of Exhaust in the Heated Air on our main Web page.)

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Question –

I was reading the section "Exhaust in the Heated Air" on the "Heating Your VW" page. I'm running into this problem in my 73 Super Beetle, but I seem to be only experiencing this smell, which I think is exhaust, occasionally. It maybe happens once or twice when I drive to work (about 15 minutes away).

I can get rid of the smell by briefly rolling down the windows. A short time later the smell comes back. Any idea what the problem might be?

Rob wrote a response the pretty much covers the causes of smelly air in the cabin –

Several possibilities -

  1. You may not have all the engine tinware/seals in place (or open holes in the tinware) and underside air is "leaking" up into the upper engine compartment where it's drawn into the cooling fan and blown into the cabin heaters from there. If the smelly air has an oily tinge to it rather than a burnt gasoline smell, this is definitely a possible cause, since it would indicate that used cooling air (which gets oily from travelling over the engine) is the culprit, rather than the exhaust itself (used cooling air will ALWAYS leak up into the low pressure area above the engine if holes are left open or tinware/seals are missing).
  2. There may be an exhaust leak near the lower sleeve fittings going into the muffler (rear end of the heat exchangers), and this is sending blasts or exhaust air forwards towards the heat exchangers. The heat exchangers are only pressed metal around the exhaust header and there are gaps which can allow squirts of exhaust gas from the donut fittings to get in. The male (header) part of those fittings DO wear as the car ages and it become difficult to seal that joint. The end fittings eventually rust out too, but they can be replaced by hammer-in replacement stubs, which also gives you a new gas-tight fitting into the muffler.
  3. The flexible heater pipes from the engine to the body may be poorly fitted, though this is more likely to result in lost cabin heating air rather than letting in smelly stuff.
  4. You may have rusted out heater header pipes inside the heat exchangers. If this is the cause, the only solution is to replace the complete heat exchanger.

Dave wrote –

My son reports that the old problem of exhaust in the heated air is still there. He hasn't the time with his busy college schedule (though it would be a good experience for him) to remove the muffler and change out the heater boxes. So I told him to take it to one of the several VW shops in town and have the problem diagnosed, then we'll talk about what has to be done. I can't have my son gassed in his car! After all I've done to resolve this problem -- very exasperating. Must be the heater boxes – it can't be much else.

Some time later Dave replaced the heater boxes in his Super Beetle.

Rob asked -

Nice, clean, non-smelly air in the cabin?

Dave responded –

There's a trace of smelly when idling but it's fine when cruising. I think there may be a tiny leakage into the heat exchanger "box" from the donuts perhaps, as there are small gaps in the molded tin "box" around the J tubes. At idle, the pressure of fresh air inside the box is small, but as I speed up the pressure inside would increase - keeping out the intruding smelly stuff. Something to have a look at on the weekend if I get a chance.

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Last revised 4 May 2004.

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