From victora@mda.vnd.TEK.COM Tue Oct 15 18:58:22 1996 Return-Path: Received: from inet1.tek.com (inet1.tek.com [134.62.48.21]) by ursula.ee.pdx.edu (8.7.5/CATastrophe-2/10/96-P) with SMTP id SAA10343; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 18:58:21 -0700 (PDT) for Received: by inet1.tek.com id ; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 18:58:03 -0700 Received: from tektronix.tek.com(134.62.48.24) by inet1 via smap (V1.3) id sma029340; Tue Oct 15 18:57:44 1996 Received: from tekgen.bv.tek.com (tekgen.bv.tek.com [128.181.44.33]) by tektronix.tek.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA12306 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 18:59:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Ariel 3 (ariel3.vnd.tek.com) by tekgen.bv.tek.com (4.1/8.0) id AA06322; Tue, 15 Oct 96 18:57:35 PDT Message-Id: <9610160157.AA06322@tekgen.bv.tek.com> Date: Tue, 15 Oct 96 18:57:41 -0700 From: "Victor J. Albert" Organization: Tektronix X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1 (Windows; U; 16bit) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thunder5@ee.pdx.edu Subject: Theft Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Status: RO X-Status: Rx7guy@cris.com (Mike Harmon) wrote: > >Victor J. Albert (victora@mda.vnd.tek.com) wrote: > >: >: I don't know what you have in mind, so lets start with a question or >: twelve; (these are just at random) > >I'll take a shot at it (or a thief, if I can). > >: >: Why do theives steal? > >$$$$ > >: What tips a thief off to a system? > >1.) Hearing it. >2.) Hearing about it. >3.) It's visible through windows, hatch, etc. >4.) Stickers, decals, etc. >IMO, 5.) Flashing red light. It seems to me that you want your car as >invisible to low-lifes as you can make it. > >: Why would the thief choose car Z over car Y to break into? > >Perceived opportunity. > >: How does the outside appearence of the car effect the thiefs judgment? > >Stickers, etc. attract attention. So, I would think, would a low-rider. > >: How many thieves does it take to screw in a lightbulb? > >Any number, but they just get frustrated and bust it before they actually >get it screwed in. > >: What components attract thieves the most? > >Head units and subs, I would think. Head units are the most visible >(usually), and the easiest to steal (usually). Loud subs, of course, >attract the most attention to the car. > >: What are the most secure ways to mount equipment in the car? > >I wouldn't try to make a head unit overly difficult to remove, it just >means your dash gets busted up more. Remember, the thief doesn't think >the same way you do - he doesn't care if he breaks stuff. As for other >components, I dunno. I just try to hide them. > >: What kind of uncommon screws are available to help keeps things where >: they should be (in my car not in their arms)? > >Dunno. > >: How effective are alarms? > >It depends on the alarm and the thief. In my experience, cheap all-in-one >alarms are more or less worthless. And if the thief isn't worried about >noise, you better have a pager and be close to the car. > >: How can you defeat an alarm? > >I defeat mine with the remote. :> >Seriously, try to put wiring and parts of the alarm in unexpected places. >Be as redundant as possible, ie, have as many backups as possible. You >want a layered defense, so that no one can get in your car by defeating >only one portion of the alarm. Get a motion detector dealie, and install >it correctly. > >: What is out there for alternatives to factory locks? > >Dunno. > >: >: Maybe this would be a better way to organize this; > >D'oh! >I'll leave this to the person this is addressed to. :> > >Mike > >: >: List all the possible ways a thief would/could; >: a. Choose to break into my car >: b. Get past the alarm >: c. Actually enter the vehicle >: d. Remove the equipment >: >: List all the possible things that can be done to prevent a thief from; >: a. Choosing to break into my car >: b. Actually getting into the car >: c. Getting past an alarm system >: d. Removing the equipment >: >: Thanks in advance, >: Victor Albert >: >: > >-- >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >As usual, a knife-wielding maniac has shown us the way. - Bart Simpson > >assert (2_ohms != 1_ohm); //Check for Shock Syndrome > >Note to morons: DO NOT send me unsolicited ads through email! If you have >gotten my email address through either the purchase of a list or by >culling usenet posts, please remove it from your mailing list immediately. > >Proud customer of Concentric - the ISP that defeated Sanford Wallace.