April 19, 1995: Clive Doyle, Survivor




Ron Engelman: Today, April the 19th, 1995. Two years ago, today. Every one of these crosses, represents a person that died. Right here. Right here behind me. That's what this is all about here today. We want to remember those. We don't want to forget these, individuals. Each one of them has a name. And, nobody knows their names better than those that lived with them, was related to them, and loved them. And one of those persons, is Clive Doyle. And I'd like to introduce Clive Doyle right now. Clive will come up, and we will begin handing out these crosses, to be taken to each one of the myrtle trees. Clive Doyle. [applause]

A little correction on that last statement. Last year, as I read the names and the bell was rung, we did hand the crosses to the people in the audience and they hung them on the fence that used to be around this property. We're not going to do that, today. There's no fence, for one thing. Sixty-five thousand dollars of your tax dollars was spent to put up this quarantine fence. We negotiated with the state to try to buy it, so that it could stay. We negotiated for seven months. And eventually it was bought out from under us, because they told us they had to sell it to a, a state or local agency, give them thirty days first option. And they sold it for $450.

So we will, read the names, of each one that died, and, I ask that you stay seated or standing wherever you are until we're through. At the end of that time, there is a little more to the ceremony, and when that it is through, then we will allow you to take the crosses down into the, grove of trees and put them in front of, uh, one of the trees. I realize that you probably will not get them in order, because of the confusion we're up against today with the weather, and, and perhaps a little lack of planning- but, we want each tree to have a name and we will adjust them later.

Before I read the names, I would like all those that are survivors, of Mt. Carmel to stand. If you would stand so that the people can see who you are, uh, I would appreciate it. Could we do that right now? A lot of the ladies are on the, my left. A few others are scattered around, of course it's hard to see with some of the other people standing. I'd also like all those who live in Waco to raise your hands. And I want you all to look around and see how few there are. Most of you have come here far distances to be here, and you've braved the weather and I thank you for it- and I hope you have received a blessing. But Waco is poorly represented today.

I would ask David Thibodeau, if he will, ring the bell as each name is read. We're going to begin with Jennifer Andrade, who was 21 years old, a United States citizen. [ring]

Her sister, Kathy Andrade, age 24. [ring]

Kathy's little girl, called Chanel, one year old. [ring]

Next we have Alrick George Bennett from England, who was 35 years of age. [ring]

Also from England, we have Susan Benta, 30 years of age. [ring]

I'm going to mention the name of Winston Blake, who was a British citizen, but he was shot in the initial raid on February 28, and we planted a tree for him at that time, but I'm going to mention him because most of you weren't here. Winston Blake, 28, from England. [ring]

Number seven, Mary Jean Borst, age 49, a United States citizen. [ring]

Pablo Cohen, age 28, a citizen of Israel. [ring]

Abedowalo Davies, born in Nigeria but a British citizen, age 30. [ring]

(pauses, cries) Shari Elaine Doyle, age 18, she was my youngest daughter. [ring]

Beverly Elliot, a British citizen, age 30. Beverly Elliot, age 30, a British citizen. [ring]

Doris Fagan, age 60. [ring] She's a citizen of England, she's the mother of Livingstone Fagan, who is currently in El Reno doing forty years for a crime he was found not guilty of.

Also, is Livingstone Fagan's wife, Yvette Fagan, age 34, also a [ring] British citizen.

Next we have Lisa Marie Farris. Age 24, a United States citizen. [ring]

Raymond Friesen, a Canadian citizen, age 77. [ring]

Peter Gent, was killed on February 28th. He was shot at the top of our water tower. He, he was, 24 years old, an Australian citizen. [ring]

Sandra Hardial, age 27, a British citizen. [ring]

Diana Henry, a British citizen, age 28. [ring]

Paulina Henry, age 24, a British citizen. [ring]

Phillip Henry, age 22, a British citizen. [ring]

Stephen Henry, age 28, a British citizen. [ring]

Vanessa Henry, age 19, a British citizen. [ring]

Zilla Henry, she was the mother of these five children; age 60, a British citizen. [ring]

Novelette Hipsman, age 36, a Canadian citizen. [ring]

Peter James Hipsman was killed on February 28th. He, he was a United States citizen and he was age 28. [ring]

Floyd Houtman, age 61, a United States citizen. [ring]

Cyrus Howell, age 8. A United Stated citizen, the oldest son of David Koresh and- Rachel. [ring]

Rachel Olivia Suzanne Howell, age 24, a United States citizen. [ring]

Star Howell, age 6, a United States citizen. [ring]

I'm going to digress for just a moment. The same lady that wrote the poem that David Thibodeau wrote, also wrote a poem for Star, and I'd like to read it at this time.


Twinkle, twinkle, little star
How I wonder how you are
Up above the world so high
Like a diamond in the sky

Only very special girls get this name
As it brings forth our fame
We are always the star of the show
Making new friends wherever we go

Your long red hair was shining for all to see
While you were sitting on your daddy's knee
You did not know, the reason why
You were telling us bye-bye

For in an instant your twinkle was gone
And your sweet curtain was forever drawn
You went to be with the Lord above
Just like a pretty little white dove

But every time we look to the sky
We start to wonder why
All the stars are still twinkling bright
In the power of His holy light.


Paper's kind of getting wet and torn, but I'll do the best I can.

Number thirty is Bobby Lane Koresh, age two, a United States citizen. [ring]

David Koresh, age 33, a United States citizen. [ring]

Number thirty-two is Sherri Lynn Jewell, age 42, a United States citizen. [ring] You'll not find a picture of her on the cross that bears her name today. We have a picture of her, but her mother requested that we didn't put it up. She was afraid that it would be desecrated.

Chica Jones, United- [ring] States. Chica Jones and Little One Jones were twins, both aged a year and a half. [ring]

Michelle Thibodeau, age 18. [ring]

Serenity Sea Jones, age 4. [ring]

Michael David Jones, age 38, United States citizen. [ring]

I might add that the reason you see this militia here today, is partly in honor of those who were veterans. David Jones and Floyd Houtman were men that had served their country, in one of the military, uh, branches.

Perry Dale Jones was shot at the front door, when he went to the front door with David Koresh. Died about an hour later from bullet wounds in the stomach. [ring]

Jeffrey Little, age 32, a United States citizen. [ring]

Nicole Elizabeth Little, age 24, an Australian citizen, the twin sister of Peter Gent. [ring]

Dayland Lord Gent, age 3, an Australian citizen. [ring]

Paiges Gent, age one, Australian citizen. [ring]

During the fire, Nicole, who was about seven months pregnant, aborted, the baby during the heat and the trauma of the fire. So we will ring the bell for that, unnamed child. [ring]

Livingstone Malcolm, age 26, a British citizen. [ring]

Anita Marie Martin, age 18, United States citizen. [ring]

Douglas Wayne Martin, age 42, United States citizen, Harvard lawyer, the instigator of the 911 call for help on February 28th. [ring]

Lisa Marie Martin, age 13. [ring]

Sheila Renee Martin, age 15. [ring]

And their brother, Wayne Martin, age 20. [ring]

All these, are the children of Douglas Wayne Martin and Sheila Martin, who is with us today.

Diane Martin, age 41, a British citizen. [ring]

Abigail Martinez, age 11. [ring]

Audrey Martine Martinez, age 13. [ring]

Crystal Barrios, age 3. [ring]

Isaiah Barrios, age 4. [ring]

Joseph Samuel Martinez, age 8. [ring]

These five children, were the children of Juliette Santoya Martinez, age 30. [ring]

She is the daughter, and they were the grandchildren, of Ofelia Santoya, who is here today.

John Mark Stanley McBean, a British citizen, age 27. [ring]

Alli-, Allison Bernadette Monbelly, age 31, a British citizen. [ring]

Melissa Morrison, age 6, a British citizen. [ring]

Rosemary Morrison, age 29, a British citizen. [ring]

Sonia Murray, age 29, a British citizen. [ring]

Teresa Nobrega, age 48, a British citizen. [ring]

James Lloyd Riddle. Age 32, United States citizen. [ring]

Rebecca Saipaia, age 24, from New Zealand. [ring]

Judith Schneider, age 41, United States citizen. [ring]

Judy was shot on February 28th- the bullet split her finger open, skipped up her arm, and lodged in her shoulder. [ring]

Their daughter, age two, by the name of Mayanah Schneider, died in the fire, along with her mother. [ring]

Steven Schneider, age 43, a United States citizen. [ring]

Michael Schroeder, age 29, was killed on February 28th. Not in the initial raid, but over on another property, to the north of us here. During our trial, they said that he had tried to ambush, the ATF. It turned out there were seventeen ATF agents evacuating the barn over here, later, late in the afternoon. One of them saw Mike Schroeder down in the opening, in the clearing, down in the creek bed. Out of sight from this property. And they all immediately hit the dirt, and started firing and Mike Schroeder ended up with seven bullets in his back. That's all I knew up until recently. I want to tell you a little a little story about Mike, I can't prove it, but for what it's worth I'm going to repeat it. Mike Schroeder's father called me a few weeks ago, when he heard we were planting a tree for his son. He said, what do you know about Mike's death? I said, well not much, from what I read in the media, and what I learned in the trial. that seventeen agents fired at him, and he ended up with seven bullets in his back. And his dad said, well, I received the autopsy. And they say that two of those bullets were in the back of the head and his face had been blown off. I mentioned that to one of our people in prison, after that. And they said that, while they were in the McLennan County jail, Norman Allison, who had been following, Mike Schroeder, at a distance, who had surrendered after the shootout and been arrested and was being taken away, he told somebody in jail that as they were leading him away, he heard two more shots. It would appear that Mike was assassinated, at close range. [ring]

Clifford Sellors, age 33, a British citizen. [ring]

Floracita Sonobe, born in the Phillipines, but became a United States citizen, age 34. [ring]

Scott Kojiro Sonobe, age 35, a United States citizen. [ring]

Aisha Gyrfas Summers, age 17, an Australian citizen. [ring]

Aisha also aborted during the fire. She was full-term, she was expecting any day. And it aborted as a result of the heat, and the trauma. It was- [ring]

She also had another little girl, by the name of Startle Summers, one year old. Who also died in the fire. [ring]

Her husband was Gregory Allen Summers, age 28, a United States citizen. [ring]

We have Hollywood Sylvia, age two, a United States cil-, citizen. [ring]

And her mother, Lorraine Sylvia, age 40. [ring]

And Rachel Sylvia, age 13, also a United States citizen. [ring]

We also have Margarida Vaega, age 47, a United States citizen. [ring]

We have her husband Neal Vaega. Age 38, a United States citizen. [ring]

On February 28th, Jaydean Wendell was shot in her bed. Jaydean was a, nursing mother. Had a baby just a few months old. And three other children. [ring] She was age 34.

And last but not least, her husband Mark Wendell, age 40, a United States citizen. [ring]

(pause)

As I mentioned before, we'll not move the crosses until after the rest of the program, we have two more, short pieces of the program, which we hope you'll bear with. And then we invite you- ah, I would ask that you be considerate. There are family members here that have come a long way- uh, for this ceremony, and if you would give them a chance to take their loved ones or whichever cross they choose, and then, you know, the rest of you are welcome to help with the others.

Ron Engelman: You hear those names- each one at a time, I don't know how many of us, uh, had dry eyes throughout that. I know I didn't. Especially when you think of the (catch in throat) little children. All those lives, wasted.

Carl Klang wrote a song, almost two years ago, called "Seventeen Little Children." And he did a very good job on that song, and I appreciate the song, but, the truth of the matter is, there were eighteen children under ten, and another eleven under 21. So it goes a lot further than seventeen.

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