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DESTINATION INDIA

Arundhati Roy Arundhati Roy

  • Sunday 16 August 1998 The end of imagination Bomb tests by India and Pakistan should stir not euphoria, but dread, an Indian author argues; not pride but shame and anger. They impose the yoke of nuclear bondage by ARUNDHATI ROY(Updated Aug 99)

  • July 1998Boom times for India's brain brokers
    The West's insatiable appetite for computer wizards produces fat fees. Then there's the daughter dilemma.

  • Village phones ring up profit CELLPHONE CRAZE / Rural women in Bangladesh have taken loans with the intention of turning dirt yards into chat booths.

    Islampur, Bangladesh -- [map]
    BY some counts, Sajeda Akhtar ranks among the world's poorest people, but she doesn't have time to worry about it. She's too busy with her new cellphone. Using the same kind of small loans that helped her parents buy chickens and a cow, the 21-year-old student is among 100 Bangladeshi villagers -- all women -- who have borrowed money for cellphones to create the country's first rural phone booths.

  • June 1998 India to step up nuclear effort Environmentalists, citing poor safety record, fear ecological, human disaster ...BOMBAY, India -- In the wake of its recent nuclear tests, India plans to rapidly expand its nuclear-power program, relying heavily on the Candu design that Canada sold to it in the 1960s. The government believes nuclear energy, long criticized in India for its high costs and dubious safety record, will power a new economic age for the country. However, some defence analysts believe the expansion is designed more to produce fuel for nuclear weapons

  • Swamp politics spur nuke tests Everyone's leaping on bandwagon of dubious and dangerous nationalism by ASHOK CHANDWANI ... to be best man at my brother's wedding, I found myself caught in a hotter crossfire of nuclear brinkmanship.

  • May 1998 Defiant Pakistan hints at further nuclear tests Foreign minister says new missile might be fitted with warheads

  • India flexes nuclear muscle 3 underground tests raise tensions with Pakistan and China, stir fears of Asian arms race India's new Hindu-nationalist-led government stunned the world yesterday with nuclear tests that threaten to throw much of Asia into an arms race.

First, the good news. The aggressively nationalist Bharatiya Janata Party seems to have been stopped just short in its bid to win enough seats to form a majority government in India. After that, however, there is little to cheer in the results of the 12th general election since the country achieved independence half a century ago.

Indians now face having a minority government formed either by the BJP or by a coalition of the United Front and the Congress Party. Either way, it's a prescription for fractiousness and drift, with neither bloc able to tackle the daunting challenge of reducing waste and corruption in government while directing overdue investments to India's infrastructure.

India in cia/publications/factbook 9.6kThe CIA Factbook on India

see also Dr. Vithal Rajan | Wed1127 | Wed1127 | Wed986 | Wed909 | Wed986 | India news

 



WEDNESDAY DECEMBER 17th

Dr. Mihailo Crnobrnja 'Could it happen here?'
Dr. Mihailo Crnobrnja
'Could it happen here?'


As our good friend Misha Crnobrnja has just returned from his trip to India, this Wednesday, was a revisit to the sub-continent and to see it through his eyes. This was his first visit in a very long time and he will most certainly had interesting observations about the changes he noted. Special Guests also: Nimi and Simon Potter who have just returned from his trip to India on a mix of work and play.

Simon V. Potter   Photos by DTN
Simon V. Potter

India

David Nicholson attempted to bring some structure to the discussion by asking: - Is India better off without England?

Not in the view of many around the table. It was also pointed out that India will never be entirely rid of England. The English language is the common language in a country with hundreds of languages and dialects. However, the English spoken there today has evolved in its own way and is often very different from British English.

-Why, asked another guest, are the British so attracted to India, a climate and a culture so different from their own?

One answer , "because many modest individuals (with much to be modest about?) could live like royalty in India compared to their situation at home." Yes, there were fortunes to be made, but also, many scholars were attracted, and people of different backgrounds found work and fulfillment in India which they could not have found at home. Exploitation of Indians by Indians is often greater than that suffered under the Raj. And, don't forget that those who worked as servants for the British were frequently better off than they could have otherwise been. Returning to the present, Misha described his recent visit to India, his first visit since he had lived there as a young boy. He mentioned that in 40 years, little has changed for rural India, - no electricity, dirt roads, poor sanitation. There is pervasive filth institutionally although Indian people are personally fastidious The contrast between the rich and poor is even greater than before. And in the cities, the environmental situation is worse than in the '50s. In Delhi the exhaust fumes are suffocating the city.

The women's issue is a pivotal one. The treatment of women as chattels continues. Many Indian women continue to perform heavy labour. When you read the Indian daily papers, you suddenly become aware of how many women die in kitchen fires. These are related to dowry issues. The burden of existence falls on women in the villages and the increasing women's literacy rate is helping to improve the lot of villagers. But, there is a dichotomy in the role of women in India. Women with access to political power do not encourage other women. Women professors in the universities are role models for the next generation, but there will be fierce opposition from the men.

At the same time, the pervasive influence of Western "culture" is apalling; 300 million people watch TV and their own rich cultures are being eroded by trashy, Western pop culture.

India is a land of contrasts. Where else would Mother Theresa, an Albanian, have been given a State Funeral? Galbraith said that " India is a functioning anarchy". Independent India inherited huge problems created initially by partition which prevented the Hindus and Muslims from working and living together, creating common solutions to common problems. Remember that India's history is largely one of religious tolerance before the end of the Raj. Other problems come from the pressure on the economy to industrialize a nation which was principally agrarian.

One guest comments that we should not forget what is going right in India. Literacy is advancing. Population growth is in check. Progress and improvements are evident. People, even in the slums, generally look healthy and happy. Others disagree, stating that only a small percentage (albeit several hundred million) are actually living happier, healthier lives and that the Middle Class is not as large as one might think and the number of poor is increasing. One guest wondered how many individuals are filing tax returns.

Misha is alarmed by the emergence of nationalism in India. It is a weak democracy. The Nehru family used to run the show and there is no tradition of stable government without a strongman, nor does it appear likely that a stable government will emerge in next year's election. Historically, the majority Hindus have been ruled by the Muslims. Is it perhaps a cultural weakness that prevents the majority from forming stable, effective government? One guest suggested that Spirituality is the glue that binds India. Another disagreed, stating that India is over-run by Spirituality, "it's their disease". Cows are sacred. Philosophy is doomed!

See also #824 Dec 22 Environment Night with
Dr. Mihailo Crnobrnja, Janine Ferretti & Gary Gallon


May 1998 Risky nuclear race.. A Pakistan bristling with new-found nuclear strength and threatening to retaliate against India "with a vengeance" does not bode well for peace in the suddenly volatile sub-continent. As India and Pakistan stake out their positions now that both have tested five nuclear devices,




Wednesday #812, September 24th, we turned our attention to another continent now that we have "done" Africa, Canada and Mexico in recent weeks.
Michael Judson brought two guests,
Prof. John Hill of Concordia Univeristy and Carey A. Watt , who is a Doctoral candidate in Indian history at Cambridge University. Carey was published in May of this year in the prestigious Modern Asia Studies Review. His topic was "Education for National Efficiency: Constructive Nationalism in North India, 1909-1916". His thesis examines the rise of self-help movements imbued with notions of public service, national efficiency and a new conception of Indian society amongst Hindus of North India. This represented a new type of constructive mationalism which quietly displaced and undermined the British colonial state from within. We think that this was a fascinating topic about which most of us learn a great deal from our guests
Please return to this page soon as we will have more to report soon.

Diana and David Nicholson


INDIA

Fifty Years of Independence

Nearly a billion people—a sixth of the planet’s population—live in India. Packed into a space one–third the size of the United States, they speak a thousand languages and dialects and practice several major religions.

Giving direction to this mammoth population has been the great challenge of 50 years of democracy. Some 20 political parties vie for India’s helm. Among their constituents are 270 million members of an expanding middle class—determined to see life improve.

From: Gerald Ratzer Dear David,

  1. I have done my homework and visited the #814 pages.
  2. I also revisited the #812 pages. The SAIR has lots of good links.
You asked me to send you my questions on India - here they are:-

Many people talk about the emerging "middle class" in India of some 270 million people. Yes these people are better off than the other 730 million, but to put things in perspective -

  1. . Out of the total Indian population how many have sanitation at home which includes a tap with clean running water, and a toilet that flushes? For the "middle class" what is the percentage?
  2. . The same question, except have reliable electrical power at home? For the "middle class" what is the percentage?
  3. . What percentage of Indians completed a tax return in the last year?
While I do not know the exact number for any of these items, having visited Indian many times, including long train trips into the "outback", I would guess the percentages are very low - ~10%.

If 27% make up the new "middle class", I doubt that 27% of the Indian population can say yes to all three questions above.

The point is - that while people talk of an Indian "middle class" that is making progress do not confuse their standard of living with what we consider "middle class" living in Canada.

A visit to India will change your perception and your definition of "standard of living" and make a deep impression of you. You have to see the poverty, the homeless, the beggars, the lack of santitation first hand to really appreciated it. Yes 270 million people are making progress, but they still have a long way to come.

Gerald Ratzer
6th October 1997


CC:
Prof. John Hill of Concordia Univeristy and
Carey A. Watt
Doctoral candidate in Indian history at Cambridge University.


The Markets


September 23, 1997 Mortgage rates drop five-year rate falls from 7 per cent to 6.85 per cent, while the new seven-year rate is 7.25 per cent, down from 7.5 per cent. The 10-year rate declines 15-hundredths of a point to 7.75 per cent.
September 23, 1997 Rate warning helped stabilize long-term rates. ... five-year mortgages now 6.85 per cent, the lowest in 30 years.

Hon Lucienne Robillard night #810 Sep 10th.
Mexico night #811 Sep 17th.
Hungary Night #814 Oct 8th.

 


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