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Feb. 20, 1959 cbc Archive Diefenbaker announces Avro Arrow cancellation
cbc The Avro Arrow: Canada's Broken Dream
It's the closest thing Canadian industry has to a love story and a murder mystery. The Avro Arrow, a sleek white jet interceptor developed in Malton, Ontario in the 1950s, could have been many things. It might have become the fastest plane in the world, our best defence against Soviet bombers, the catalyst to propel Canada to the forefront of the aviation industry. Instead, it became a $400-million pile of scrap metal, and the stuff of legends.

Avro ARROW

Wednesday Night #777
with Col. Pierre Sevigny
Col. Pierre Sévigny DTN photo
Col. Pierre Sévigny
January 22, 1997

Videotapes of the United States Inauguration launched a brief discussion of that event.

The guests, mostly experts in international aviation and international finance, (both total mysteries to the author.) then addressed the topics of the evening starting with the CBC version of the history of the Avro Arrow and the devastating effect on the Diefenbaker government of the cancellation of the project.

John Diefenbaker is portrayed as having caved in to American demands that the Arrow be scrapped and all existing plans, tapes, archives and models destroyed. This was not the case.

One guest who was present throughout the decision process leading up to the cancellation, stated that it was most likely that Crawford Gordon had himself ordered the destruction in his anger. This guest described in detail the facts and situation leading up to the cancellation.

We were reminded that the manufacturer was not Canadian but British owned.

  photo by RYAN REMIORZ CP  of Col. Pierre Sevigny click for wife's art Col. Pierre Sevigny (80) at his Montréal home.

Monday 2 February 1998 Ex-MP stirs up debate over Avro Arrow Tories didn't order jets' destruction, Diefenbaker cabinet member, Col. Pierre Sevigny, an officer of the Order of Canada, says

Furthermore, Sevigny said, the Americans were in favour of continuing production of the CF-105, as the Arrow was known, and offered to finance its construction to equip RCAF squadrons after the Diefenbaker government canceled the program because of its rising cost.

"...the cabinet categorically refused the American offer. "The U.S., perhaps in an effort to prevent any disruption in the Canadian economy, offered to pay for the construction of the Arrow,"

Do se the wife Clou Sevigny's Art

A considerable amount of money had been spent on the project by the Canadian government, without prospect of success in a foreseeable period of time. Although the Iroquois engine was being built, the plane had not yet flown with it and it was therefore unproved.

The Arrow was incredibly costly and most of the Canadian Defense budget was being devoted to an aircraft whose performance was limited by its range (92 minutes in the air) and whose value for defense purposes was questionable.

The Arrow was designed to counter threats of bomber attacks. The Russians had already perfected the intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBMs) with a range of 1,600 miles which would give rise to the Cuban Missile Crisis. The only defense system, although not a great one, was the Bomarc. The Bomarc missile had a range of 400 miles.

The project would only be viable if the Arrow were to be sold to NATO, an impossibility.

The then Minister of External Affairs was dead against bringing nuclear weapons into Canada. The Arrow would carry nuclear armament. More pertinent, the Liberal Government would probably have canceled the project had the Grits been reelected as there was increasing resentment of the dedication of so much funding to this project to the detriment of the other branches of the Armed Forces. (This was before Unification and Paul Hellyer!)

The Diefenbaker government knew that canceling the project would not lead to large aircraft manufacturing job losses because the plants could be used to manufacture cargo planes which at the time, were in increasing demand. In fact, the cancellation of the Arrow probably led to Canada's current strength in the design and production of civil aircraft.

All agreed that the CBC programme was great theatre, but should not be the basis for a history course.



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Wed #777 (cont.)

A brief discussion followed on the shooting down of two unarmed American planes by Cuban armed forces over international waters. It was concluded that Cuba's act was illegal, but that the United States had been guilty of "misusing" Civil Aviation.

It was suggested that perhaps Canada should abandon the idea of a national airline. It was pointed out that while some developed nations choose to maintain national airlines for reasons of national pride or security rather than for economic health, the greatest problem is with less developed countries who can ill afford a national airline - in some cases consisting in one or two planes! - but do not want to be dependent on the United States or former colonial powers for air service. Some countries compromise safety to achieve this independence.

An exciting discussion then took place around the concept of distance education. Although difficulties of time and space are being overcome by the new technology, the classroom is not about to disappear because some things will always require face-to-face learning. The claim that better search engines were required was disputed, although it was agreed that self-education on searching strategies was needed. The opinion was expressed that the organization of search engines would be done more efficiently by professional librarians.


Harriet Solloway reports by E-Mail that her work with the International Crimes Tribunal for Rwanda has reached the stage of prosecutions. She is well, but the recent murders of aid workers have raised major security concerns.



The Market


Consensus that the Canadian economy will surge ahead in the next few years., with a lower rate of inflation than the United States and increasing productivity. It was suggested that the Canadian dollar should rise to par with the American, and perhaps even higher. There is a good possibility of a common currency in the foreseeable future.

The market should continue to rise until May or June followed by a correction followed by about nine months of uncertainty. After that period, the market should continue its upward trend. The prediction off "10,000 by 2,000" is still valid in the opinion of one technician.

Wednesday night #777 ended, with the fine tradition intact.
by Herb Bercovitz and Diana Thébaud Nicholson

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