"In this letter Gerry Hunnius, FOCA’s
Environment Chair Emeritus, voiced our opposition to the Bill. FOCA did not comment on the content of the Bill; instead we
objected to the lack of due process. In part we stated "Citizen participation and due
process are fundamental cornerstones of a democratic society. The
introduction of this Bill violates these principles. On
these grounds alone, we urge you to withdraw Bill 239."
As a result I included the Nov/Dec
98 article to point out the shortcoming of this process from the beginning, a point clearly
echoed in FOCA’s January 24th, 2003 letter to the MNR. I
believed the earlier article is very relevant to the overall process.
It's fair to say most are aware of the current debacle as stated by
FOCA's letter to the MNR.
It would be much more helpful to the membership if you could help explain
or shed some light on the Ontario Parks letter included in the package.
As a private property owner I would be interested in getting some
answers.
Todd Kearney
President, WLCA
----- Original Message -----
To: Kearney, Susan & Todd ;
WLCA Needham, Bert ;
WLCA Aijala,
Carla & Jim ;
WLCA Baird, James ;
WLCA
Bichsel, Hans ;
WLCA Boonstra, Peter ;
WLCA Boynton, Bill &
Ruth ;
WLCA Brown, Ken ;
WLCA Corbett,
Reg & Gail ;
WLCA Crockover, Marilyn ;
WLCA
Delong, Dan&Anne ;
WLCA Ellick, James & Laur ;
WLCA
Evans, Rick ;
WLCA Feeney, John ;
WLCA Grunenberg,
Heinz ;
WLCA Hansen, Diana ;
WLCA Hergovich, John ;
WLCA Hunter, Martha ;
WLCA Kearns
Rogers, Joh ;
WLCA Kylie, Stephen ;
WLCA Lawrence, Doug ;
WLCA MacInnis, Paul ;
WLCA Marschke,
Dieter ;
WLCA McConnell, Katie ;
WLCA
McGowan, Breda ;
WLCA Michaelides, Doug ;
WLCA
Mottram, James ;
WLCA Needham, John ;
WLCA Nussbaum, Sibylle ;
WLCA
Phelps, Jim ;
WLCA Phelps, Sharon ;
WLCA Reid,
Linda ;
WLCA Rhynas, Susan ;
WLCA Rochon, Paula ;
WLCA
StGermain, Paul ;
WLCA Szekszer, Wendy ;
WLCA Young, Jane
;
WLCA Young, Janis ;
WLCA Young,
Peter
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 11:22
AM
Subject: Re: WLCA SPRING 2003
NEWSLETTER
The highly subjective collection of
documents sent by Todd Kearney as the Spring Newsletter contained a 5
year old letter from Wendy Moore, the Executive Director of the
FOCA. That comment was written at the beginning of the Lands
for Life project. Since then FOCA became involved in the project
and one of its directors was a member of the citizen Round Table
for the Great Lakes-St. Lawrence region. Please find attached
another, this time a recent FOCA letter, stating its position vis-a-vis
the future of the KHSS.
Dana Dvorak
----- Original Message -----
To: WLCA Needham, Bert ; WLCA Aijala,
Carla & Jim ; WLCA Baird, James ; WLCA
Bichsel, Hans ; WLCA Boonstra, Peter ; WLCA Boynton, Bill &
Ruth ; WLCA Brown, Ken ; WLCA
Corbett, Reg & Gail ; WLCA Crockover, Marilyn ; WLCA
Delong, Dan&Anne ; WLCA Ellick, James & Laur ;
WLCA Evans, Rick ; WLCA Feeney,
John ; WLCA Grunenberg, Heinz ; WLCA
Hansen, Diana ; WLCA Hergovich, John ;
WLCA Hunter, Martha ; WLCA Kearns
Rogers, Joh ; WLCA Kylie, Stephen ; WLCA Lawrence, Doug
; WLCA MacInnis, Paul ; WLCA Marschke,
Dieter ; WLCA McConnell, Katie ; WLCA
McGowan, Breda ; WLCA Michaelides, Doug ; WLCA
Mottram, James ; WLCA Needham, John ; WLCA Nussbaum, Sibylle
; WLCA Phelps, Jim ; WLCA
Phelps, Sharon ; WLCA Reid, Linda ; WLCA
Rhynas, Susan ; WLCA Rochon, Paula ; WLCA
StGermain, Paul ; WLCA Szekszer, Wendy ; WLCA Young,
Jane ; WLCA Young, Janis ; WLCA Young,
Peter ; WLCA Dvorak, DanaSent: Saturday, May 17, 2003 1:42
PM
Subject: WLCA SPRING 2003
NEWSLETTER
Hello Everyone ...
Please find attached the spring
newsletter. A hardcopy with envelops for Road Fee and
Membership Fee payments should be arriving at your mailbox
shortly.
Todd Kearney
----- Original Message -----
To: Zbynek Dvorak ;
WLCA
Needham, Bert ;
WLCA Aijala, Carla & Jim ;
WLCA
Baird, James ;
WLCA Bichsel, Hans ;
WLCA Boonstra,
Peter ;
WLCA Boynton, Bill & Ruth ;
WLCA Brown,
Ken ;
WLCA
Corbett, Reg & Gail ;
WLCA Crockover, Marilyn ;
WLCA Delong,
Dan&Anne ;
WLCA Ellick, James & Laur ;
WLCA
Evans, Rick ;
WLCA Feeney, John ;
WLCA Grunenberg,
Heinz ;
WLCA Hansen, Diana ;
WLCA Hergovich, John ;
WLCA
Hunter, Martha ;
WLCA Kearns Rogers, Joh ;
WLCA
Kylie, Stephen ;
WLCA Lawrence, Doug ;
WLCA
MacInnis, Paul ;
WLCA Marschke, Dieter ;
WLCA McConnell,
Katie ;
WLCA McGowan, Breda ;
WLCA
Michaelides, Doug ;
WLCA Mottram, James ;
WLCA
Needham, John ;
WLCA Nussbaum, Sibylle ;
WLCA Phelps,
Jim ;
WLCA Phelps, Sharon ;
WLCA Reid,
Linda ;
WLCA Rhynas, Susan ;
WLCA
Rochon, Paula ;
WLCA StGermain, Paul ;
WLCA Young, Jane ;
WLCA Young,
Janis ;
WLCA Young,
Peter
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 9:24 PM
Subject: Important Information for all
members.
Dana, my comments below.
Members please see last paragraph in red. Todd Kearney
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 5:56
PM
Subject: Re: WLCA SPRING 2003
NEWSLETTER
Todd, I am not going to comment on your reply to my remarks re the
objectivity of the selection of the documents you have sent. The fact, that
you did not include the most recent FOCA document in your selection just
proves my point.
It seems you have commented. I revert
back to my previous email. Maybe you can explain to me why the document was
posted on the Website under a one line title and in March. It was never sent
to me or was I notified of the position. Also could you tell me
what KHSS Cottage Associations were consulted on by FOCA in addressing their
concerns surrounding the process of Bill 239 ? WLCA was not, ALCA was not,
Loon Call was not, Long/Loucks was not. Let me guess..... specific cottagers
had input .........
Let me address the issue raised in the letter from the Algonquin
cottager: at our AGM last August Sissy Tanner and Nancy Wilson told us
that the fees the cottagers may or may not be subjected to are a matter
for the future management plan. A management plan which will be prepared
with the cottagers's cooperation. That is all I can tell you.
You mean you have more information but
you cannot tell me ? I wish you would. Before I make decisions of this
nature I prefer to have the information before the fact. I would also
like to know the make-up of the management advisory board to ensure
cottagers are properly represented. Do you have any insight ? I will be able
to add more on this very soon. I believe the concerns surrounding this
point were raised at our AGM and responded to with "You'll just have to
trust us". Not very reassuring.
I shall bounce the question back to you: the SGKH (of which
you are a member) is one of the groups which are presently discussing the
LSC's recommendations with the MNR/Ontario Parks and Chris Hodgson
. Has not the SGKH brought up the matter in the
discussions that are underway? What was the response?
Yes the WLCA, of which you are a member,
is a voting member of the SGKH. As I pointed out in the Newsletter
the consultation process with the MNR/Ontario Parks and Chris
Hodgson is underway. Three other groups are also involved in this
consultation, Partnership for Public Lands, consisting of three
environmental groups, the LSC and the Ontario Federation of Anglers and
Hunters.
I'm sure you are aware the SGKH met last
night to discuss the Charter under which legislation is to be drawn upon. I
can tell you that the fee issue has been addressed by the SGKH, along with
many others with the MNR and Ontario Parks. But again I'm sure you are aware
that I had to sign a confidentiality agreement with the MNR/Ontario Parks.
So at this time I am unable to share any further information, something I
took issue with at the meeting. Typical of this whole process really
when you think about it. The legislation is likely to be introduced
shortly and at that time I can provide a complete update. Unless you
have anything further to share surrounding the issue?
Todd Kearney
Dana Dvorak
----- Original Message -----
To: Zbynek Dvorak ;
WLCA
Needham, Bert ;
WLCA Aijala, Carla & Jim ;
WLCA
Baird, James ;
WLCA Bichsel, Hans ;
WLCA
Boonstra, Peter ;
WLCA Boynton, Bill & Ruth
;
WLCA
Brown, Ken ;
WLCA Corbett, Reg & Gail ;
WLCA
Crockover, Marilyn ;
WLCA Delong, Dan&Anne ;
WLCA Ellick,
James & Laur ;
WLCA Evans, Rick ;
WLCA Feeney,
John ;
WLCA
Grunenberg, Heinz ;
WLCA Hansen, Diana ;
WLCA Hergovich, John ;
WLCA Hunter, Martha ;
WLCA Kearns
Rogers, Joh ;
WLCA Kylie, Stephen ;
WLCA Lawrence, Doug ;
WLCA
MacInnis, Paul ;
WLCA Marschke, Dieter ;
WLCA
McConnell, Katie ;
WLCA McGowan, Breda ;
WLCA
Michaelides, Doug ;
WLCA Mottram, James ;
WLCA
Needham, John ;
WLCA Nussbaum, Sibylle ;
WLCA
Phelps, Jim ;
WLCA Phelps, Sharon ;
WLCA Reid,
Linda ;
WLCA Rhynas, Susan ;
WLCA
Rochon, Paula ;
WLCA StGermain, Paul ;
WLCA Szekszer,
Wendy ;
WLCA
Young, Jane ;
WLCA Young, Janis ;
WLCA Young, Peter
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 2:09
PM
Subject: Re: WLCA SPRING 2003
NEWSLETTER
Dana,
The
collection of documents included I believe are objective and were included
to keep those cottagers who are
not electronically linked
updated. I provided the FOCA document for background information and made
no attempt to hide when it was written, as you have implied. My point in
including it should be obvious, the process and the problems which
surround it, then and now, have changed little from inception. If you read
the article it was written as a result of FOCA’s, director Gerry Hunnius,
involvement with the Great Lakes-St. Lawrence round table. Not at the beginning as you stated. The
article points this out quite clearly in its first few paragraphs, it even
references a previous article written by FOCA at
the beginning of the process "MNR Protects Ontario’s Land for Life" FOCA
News Nov/Dec 97. A full year earlier.
Your comments, on objectivity are your own opinion, and with respect to
the FOCA article inaccurate and misleading. I believe that members will be
able to ascertain the level of objectivity for themselves. The facts of
the FOCA article speak for themselves. Your comments in this regard add
nothing to the discussion.
I did not include the recent FOCA
letter which you have attached for several reasons. The most obvious
being that it is a direct submission by
FOCA to the MNR regarding Bill 239. It was prepared by Gerry Hunnius,
FOCA’s Environment
Chair Emeritus. In
my discussion with Wendy Moore on FOCA’s position regarding the KHSS
she stated, and I am quoting, emphasis is mine.
"In this letter Gerry Hunnius, FOCA’s
Environment Chair Emeritus, voiced our opposition to the Bill. FOCA did not comment on the content of the Bill; instead we
objected to the lack of due process. In part we stated "Citizen participation
and due process are fundamental cornerstones of a democratic society.
The introduction of this Bill violates these principles. On
these grounds alone, we urge you to withdraw Bill 239."
As a result I included the Nov/Dec 98 article to point out the
shortcoming of this process from the beginning, a point clearly
echoed in FOCA’s January 24th, 2003 letter to the MNR. I
believed the earlier article is very relevant to the overall process.
It's fair to say most are aware of the current debacle as stated by
FOCA's letter to the MNR.
It would be much more helpful to the membership if you could help explain
or shed some light on the Ontario Parks letter included in the package.
As a private property owner I would be interested in getting some
answers.
Todd Kearney
President, WLCA
----- Original Message -----
To: Kearney, Susan & Todd ;
WLCA Needham, Bert ;
WLCA Aijala,
Carla & Jim ;
WLCA Baird, James ;
WLCA
Bichsel, Hans ;
WLCA Boonstra, Peter ;
WLCA Boynton, Bill &
Ruth ;
WLCA Brown, Ken ;
WLCA Corbett,
Reg & Gail ;
WLCA Crockover, Marilyn ;
WLCA
Delong, Dan&Anne ;
WLCA Ellick, James & Laur ;
WLCA
Evans, Rick ;
WLCA Feeney, John ;
WLCA Grunenberg,
Heinz ;
WLCA Hansen, Diana ;
WLCA Hergovich, John ;
WLCA Hunter, Martha ;
WLCA Kearns
Rogers, Joh ;
WLCA Kylie, Stephen ;
WLCA Lawrence, Doug ;
WLCA MacInnis, Paul ;
WLCA Marschke,
Dieter ;
WLCA McConnell, Katie ;
WLCA
McGowan, Breda ;
WLCA Michaelides, Doug ;
WLCA
Mottram, James ;
WLCA Needham, John ;
WLCA Nussbaum, Sibylle ;
WLCA
Phelps, Jim ;
WLCA Phelps, Sharon ;
WLCA Reid,
Linda ;
WLCA Rhynas, Susan ;
WLCA Rochon, Paula ;
WLCA
StGermain, Paul ;
WLCA Szekszer, Wendy ;
WLCA Young, Jane
;
WLCA Young, Janis ;
WLCA Young,
Peter
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 11:22
AM
Subject: Re: WLCA SPRING 2003
NEWSLETTER
The highly subjective collection of
documents sent by Todd Kearney as the Spring Newsletter contained a 5
year old letter from Wendy Moore, the Executive Director of the
FOCA. That comment was written at the beginning of the Lands
for Life project. Since then FOCA became involved in the project
and one of its directors was a member of the citizen Round Table
for the Great Lakes-St. Lawrence region. Please find attached
another, this time a recent FOCA letter, stating its position vis-a-vis
the future of the KHSS.
Dana Dvorak
----- Original Message -----
To: WLCA Needham, Bert ;
WLCA Aijala,
Carla & Jim ;
WLCA Baird, James ;
WLCA
Bichsel, Hans ;
WLCA Boonstra, Peter ;
WLCA Boynton, Bill &
Ruth ;
WLCA Brown, Ken ;
WLCA
Corbett, Reg & Gail ;
WLCA Crockover, Marilyn ;
WLCA
Delong, Dan&Anne ;
WLCA Ellick, James & Laur ;
WLCA Evans, Rick ;
WLCA Feeney,
John ;
WLCA Grunenberg, Heinz ;
WLCA
Hansen, Diana ;
WLCA Hergovich, John ;
WLCA Hunter, Martha ;
WLCA Kearns
Rogers, Joh ;
WLCA Kylie, Stephen ;
WLCA Lawrence, Doug
;
WLCA MacInnis, Paul ;
WLCA Marschke,
Dieter ;
WLCA McConnell, Katie ;
WLCA
McGowan, Breda ;
WLCA Michaelides, Doug ;
WLCA
Mottram, James ;
WLCA Needham, John ;
WLCA Nussbaum, Sibylle
;
WLCA Phelps, Jim ;
WLCA
Phelps, Sharon ;
WLCA Reid, Linda ;
WLCA
Rhynas, Susan ;
WLCA Rochon, Paula ;
WLCA
StGermain, Paul ;
WLCA Szekszer, Wendy ;
WLCA Young,
Jane ;
WLCA Young, Janis ;
WLCA Young,
Peter ;
WLCA Dvorak, Dana
Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2003 1:42
PM
Subject: WLCA SPRING 2003
NEWSLETTER
Hello Everyone ...
Please find attached the spring
newsletter. A hardcopy with envelops for Road Fee and
Membership Fee payments should be arriving at your mailbox
shortly.
Todd Kearney
President,
WLCA