关于基督教申命记22章误读的谎言

	jewcn.org 有个为人母的基督徒看了这段很生气有个为人母的基督徒看了这段很生气，就质问犹太经师：假如我的宝贵闺女被个恶棍强奸了，结果上帝不仅不惩罚强奸犯，反而让这个恶棍可以奸污我的女儿一辈子，我的女儿还别无选择，必须和这个混蛋过一辈子！这是什么上帝！明明是鼓励犯罪，压迫无辜者！犹太经师回答说：你读的是基督教圣经的英文翻译本吧，如果你读希伯来圣经，你会发现那个词和希伯来圣经中表达强奸时用的词是不一样的,按照犹太圣经，你无辜的闺女不会被判给强奸犯然后一辈子遭受蹂躏。 http://web.wenxuecity.com/BBSView.php?SubID=religion&MsgID=164270 jewcn.org 犹太教和基督教关于强奸问题有分歧的那段圣经,申命记22章犹太人的英文译本（judaica press)中写道： 28. If a man finds a virgin girl who was not betrothed, and seizes her and lies with her, and they are found, 29. the man who lay with her shall give fifty [shekels of] silver to the girl's father, and she shall become his wife, because he violated her. He shall not send her away all the days of his life. 基督徒的英文译本（niv)中写道： 28 If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, 29 he shall pay the girl's father fifty shekels of silver. [c] He must marry the girl, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives. 注意28节中的rape. 再看看另一处被基督徒的英文译本翻译为rape的经文： 25 But if out in the country a man happens to meet a girl pledged to be married and rapes her, only the man who has done this shall die. 26 Do nothing to the girl; she has committed no sin deserving death. This case is like that of someone who attacks and murders his neighbor, 27 for the man found the girl out in the country, and though the betrothed girl screamed, there was no one to rescue her. 再看看犹太人的翻译是符合表达其中的rape概念的（注意25节）： 25. But if a man finds the betrothed girl in the field, and the man overpowers her and lies with her, then only the man who lay with her shall die. 26. Whereas to the girl, you shall do nothing the girl did not commit a sin deserving of death, for just as a man rises up against his fellow and murders him, so is this case. 27. Because he found her in the field. The betrothed girl had cried out, but there was no one to save her. 注意25，28节中基督徒的圣经都用rape表达之处在犹太人翻译的圣经中用词有区别。我对此的理解：犹太圣经在这两节谈的是两个问题：1）强奸案的处理法，2）婚前性（非强奸案）的处理法。而基督徒翻译圣经的时候把这两处混淆了。 http://web.wenxuecity.com/BBSView.php?SubID=religion&MsgID=164222
	远山红尘这位jewcn.org上窜下跳很是忙活了一阵，一会这个是谎言，一会哪个是谎言。在他的贴子里，指控基督徒脱离开犹太背景私解圣经。指控的具体例子是申命记22章25节和28节的经文。所以，我们以下就从两方面看看，1,究竟基督徒有没有篡改圣经的意思,2,28节指的是不是强奸. 我们首先用两个比较经典的基督教的英文版本King James Version，和犹太人的圣经英文版本“A Hebrew - English Bible According to the Masoretic Text and the JPS 1917 Edition”做一下对照，看看基督徒究竟篡改了什么。为了不脱离背景我们将上下文转全了，并加上中文的翻译。 King James Version 22:22If a man be found lying with a woman married to an husband, then they shall both of them die, both the man that lay with the woman, and the woman: so shalt thou put away evil from Israel. A Hebrew - English Bible 22:22If a man be found lying with a woman married to a husband, then they shall both of them die, the man that lay with the woman, and the woman; so shalt thou put away the evil from Israel. {S} 中文译文 22:22若遇见人与有丈夫的妇人行淫、就要将奸夫、淫妇、一并治死．这样、就把那恶从以色列中除掉。（注1：这里讲的是与已婚妇人行淫，不涉及强奸） King James Version 22:23If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her; A Hebrew - English Bible 22:23If there be a damsel that is a virgin betrothed unto a man, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her 中文译文 22:23若有处女已经许配丈夫、有人在城里遇见他、与他行淫、（注2：这里讲的是与已许配人的处女行淫，不涉及强奸） King James Version 22:24Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city; and the man, because he hath humbled his neighbour's wife: so thou shalt put away evil from among you. A Hebrew - English Bible(According to the Masoretic Text and the JPS 1917 Edition)(犹太人的托拉英文译本） 22:24then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die: the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city; and the man, because he hath humbled his neighbour's wife; so thou shalt put away the evil from the midst of thee. 中文译文 22:24你们就要把这二人带到本城门、用石头打死、女子是因为虽在城里却没有喊叫、男子是因为玷污别人的妻．这样、就把那恶从你们中间除掉。 King James Version 22:25But if a man find a betrothed damsel in the field, and the man force her, and lie with her: then the man only that lay with her shall die: A Hebrew - English Bible 22:25But if the man find the damsel that is betrothed in the field, and the man take hold of her, and lie with her; then the man only that lay with her shall die. 中文译文 22:25若有男子在田野遇见已经许配人的女子、强与他行淫、只要将那男子治死。（注3：这里讲的是强奸已经许配人的女子） King James Version 22:26But unto the damsel thou shalt do nothing; there is in the damsel no sin worthy of death: for as when a man riseth against his neighbour, and slayeth him, even so is this matter: A Hebrew - English Bible 22:26But unto the damsel thou shalt do nothing; there is in the damsel no sin worthy of death; for as when a man riseth against his neighbour, and slayeth him, even so is this matter. 中文译文 22:26但不可办女子、他本没有该死的罪、这事就类乎人起来攻击邻舍、将他杀了一样． King James Version 22:27For he found her in the field, and the betrothed damsel cried, and there was none to save her. A Hebrew - English Bible 22:27 For he found her in the field; the betrothed damsel cried, and there was none to save her. {S} 中文译文 22:27因为男子是在田野遇见那已经许配人的女子、女子喊叫并无人救他。 King James Version 22:28If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found; A Hebrew - English Bible According to the Masoretic Text and the JPS 1917 Edition 22:28If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, that is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found; 中文译文 22:28若有男子遇见没有许配人的处女、抓住他与他行淫、被人看见（注3：这里讲的是强奸没有许配人的女子） King James Version 22:29Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days. A Hebrew - English Bible According to the Masoretic Text and the JPS 1917 Edition 22:29then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife, because he hath humbled her; he may not put her away all his days. {S} 中文译文 22:29这男子就要拿五十舍客勒银子、给女子的父亲、因他玷污了这女子、就要娶他为妻、终身不可休他。从上面我们可以看出，基督徒的英文译本和犹太人的英文本除了词序上的一些不同外，没有显著的出入。好了，那么jewcn.org指出NIV英文本在25节和28节这两处出现的rape的用法究竟是否是基督徒脱离开犹太背景私解圣经。我们下面就从内证和外证两方面来看看先看内证：在创世纪34:1-7中，正好有个例子讲示剑奸污雅各的女儿底拿的例子,这里的”took”希伯来文为“laqach”。意为： 1，to take, get, fetch, lay hold of, seize, receive, acquire, buy, bring, marry, take a wife, snatch, take away 2，to take, capture, seize “A Hebrew - English Bible According to the Masoretic Text and the JPS 1917 Edition”中是25节使用的是“take hold of” 而28节是“lay hold on her” 希伯来文“lay hold on”是“taphas”。意为： 1) to catch, handle, lay hold, take hold of, seize, wield a) (Qal) 1) to lay hold of, seize, arrest, catch 2) to grasp (in order to) wield, wield, use skilfully b) (Niphal) to be seized, be arrested, be caught, be taken, captured c) (Piel) to catch, grasp (with the hands) 这里很清楚，“laqach” 和“taphas”具有相同或相似的意思，在25节和28节中都表明强迫的意思，是“rape”。我们现在再回过头来看前面所说的不同的情况，22节仅仅说“lying with a woman married to an husband”没有任何“强迫”的意思，所以22节这里是指“奸淫”的罪或是”婚前性行为”的罪,不是强奸的罪. 23节也仅仅说, “find her in the city, and lie with her”.没有任何强迫的意思,所以两个人都要被处死.到了25节这里, 讲的很清楚是rape,因为女的喊,没有人救她,所以男的要被处死. 在29节中，犹太人根据Masoretic Text 和 JPS 1917 Edition翻译的英文使用“he hath humbled her”来表明女子的受害情况。这个“humbled”的希伯来文是“anah”。意为“be humiliated” “侮辱，污辱,玷污”，而且28节中有强迫的意思。所以,25节和28节很清楚地表明,都是rape,只不过25节谈的是rape “已经许配人的女子”而28节谈的是rape“没有许配人的处女”。基督教的翻译十分准确，只不过这位半瓶醋的弟兄没有搞清楚自己的经书，反倒倒打一耙，倒是真的造孽了。光听我这样解释，可能不是很充分，那么我们就举几个犹太人自己的解释作为外证。外证: 1, 拉比Dr. Azriel Rosenfeld :的解释 “If a man rapes a virgin he must pay the fine in any event and must marry her (unless she does not want him) and can never divorce her (except for cause), as it says "If a man finds a virgin and seizes her and lies with her... he must give her father 50 pieces of silver and she must become his wife... he cannot send her away all his life".(Deut. 22:28-29) 出处：http://www.torah.org/learning/halacha-overview/chapter25.html 2, Sanhedrin 004引用: The Torah, in Deuteronomy 22, distinguishes between two kinds of sexual relationship between and man and a woman outside the marriage bond: rape and seduction... Verses 28-29 of that chapter deal with the rape of an unmarried woman. 出处：http://www.bmv.org.il/Shiurim/sanhedrin/san104.html 3，关于犹太教的问题与回答的摘录： Q：What does Jewish law say about rape and seduction? A： The Torah specifies fines for a man who rapes or seduces a woman, and he must also marry her; see Ex.22:16-17 and Deut. 22:28-29. But Rabbinical courts are no longer qualified to enforce these laws. 出处：http://www.jewishanswers.com/?p=527 通过以上的内证和外证清楚地表明这位jewcn.org是在胡说八道。其实有很多问题拉比是知道的，愿不愿意说实话那就要看拉比的人品

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有个为人母的基督徒看了这段很生气

有个为人母的基督徒看了这段很生气，就质问犹太经师：假如我的宝贵闺女被个恶棍强奸了，结果上帝不仅不惩罚强奸犯，反而让这个恶棍可以奸污我的女儿一辈子，我的女儿还别无选择，必须和这个混蛋过一辈子！这是什么上帝！明明是鼓励犯罪，压迫无辜者！

犹太经师回答说：你读的是基督教圣经的英文翻译本吧，如果你读希伯来圣经，你会发现那个词和希伯来圣经中表达强奸时用的词是不一样的,按照犹太圣经，你无辜的闺女不会被判给强奸犯然后一辈子遭受蹂躏。

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犹太教和基督教关于强奸问题有分歧的那段圣经,申命记22章

犹太人的英文译本（judaica press)中写道：

28. If a man finds a virgin girl who was not betrothed, and seizes her and lies with her, and they are found,

29. the man who lay with her shall give fifty [shekels of] silver to the girl's father, and she shall become his wife, because he violated her. He shall not send her away all the days of his life.

基督徒的英文译本（niv)中写道：

28 If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, 29 he shall pay the girl's father fifty shekels of silver. [c] He must marry the girl, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.

注意28节中的rape.

再看看另一处被基督徒的英文译本翻译为rape的经文：

25 But if out in the country a man happens to meet a girl pledged to be married and rapes her, only the man who has done this shall die. 26 Do nothing to the girl; she has committed no sin deserving death. This case is like that of someone who attacks and murders his neighbor, 27 for the man found the girl out in the country, and though the betrothed girl screamed, there was no one to rescue her.

再看看犹太人的翻译是符合表达其中的rape概念的（注意25节

）：

25. But if a man finds the betrothed girl in the field, and the man overpowers her and lies with her, then only the man who lay with her shall die.

26. Whereas to the girl, you shall do nothing the girl did not commit a sin deserving of death, for just as a man rises up against his fellow and murders him, so is this case.

27. Because he found her in the field. The betrothed girl had cried out, but there was no one to save her.

注意25，28节中基督徒的圣经都用rape表达之处在犹太人翻译的圣经中用词有区别。

我对此的理解：犹太圣经在这两节谈的是两个问题：1）强奸案的处理法，2）婚前性（非强奸案）的处理法。而基督徒翻译圣经的时候把这两处混淆了。

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远山红尘

这位jewcn.org上窜下跳很是忙活了一阵，一会这个是谎言，一会哪个是谎言。在他的贴子里，指控基督徒脱离开犹太背景私解圣经。指控的具体例子是申命记22章25节和28节的经文。所以，我们以下就从两方面看看，1,究竟基督徒有没有篡改圣经的意思,2,28节指的是不是强奸.

我们首先用两个比较经典的基督教的英文版本King James Version，和犹太人的圣经英文版本“A Hebrew - English Bible According to the Masoretic Text and the JPS 1917 Edition”做一下对照，看看基督徒究竟篡改了什么。为了不脱离背景我们将上下文转全了，并加上中文的翻译。

King James Version

22:22If a man be found lying with a woman married to an husband, then they shall both of them die, both the man that lay with the woman, and the woman: so shalt thou put away evil from Israel.

A Hebrew - English Bible

22:22If a man be found lying with a woman married to a husband, then they shall both of them die, the man that lay with the woman, and the woman; so shalt thou put away the evil from Israel. {S}

中文译文

22:22若遇见人与有丈夫的妇人行淫、就要将奸夫、淫妇、一并治死．这样、就把那恶从以色列中除掉。

（注1：这里讲的是与已婚妇人行淫，不涉及强奸）

King James Version

22:23If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her;

A Hebrew - English Bible

22:23If there be a damsel that is a virgin betrothed unto a man, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her

中文译文

22:23若有处女已经许配丈夫、有人在城里遇见他、与他行淫、

（注2：这里讲的是与已许配人的处女行淫，不涉及强奸）

King James Version

22:24Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city; and the man, because he hath humbled his neighbour's wife: so thou shalt put away evil from among you.

A Hebrew - English Bible(According to the Masoretic Text and the JPS 1917 Edition)(犹太人的托拉英文译本）

22:24then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die: the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city; and the man, because he hath humbled his neighbour's wife; so thou shalt put away the evil from the midst of thee.

中文译文

22:24你们就要把这二人带到本城门、用石头打死、女子是因为虽在城里却没有喊叫、男子是因为玷污别人的妻．这样、就把那恶从你们中间除掉。

King James Version

22:25But if a man find a betrothed damsel in the field, and the man force her, and lie with her: then the man only that lay with her shall die:

A Hebrew - English Bible

22:25But if the man find the damsel that is betrothed in the field, and the man take hold of her, and lie with her; then the man only that lay with her shall die.

中文译文

22:25若有男子在田野遇见已经许配人的女子、强与他行淫、只要将那男子治死。

（注3：这里讲的是强奸已经许配人的女子）

King James Version

22:26But unto the damsel thou shalt do nothing; there is in the damsel no sin worthy of death: for as when a man riseth against his neighbour, and slayeth him, even so is this matter:

A Hebrew - English Bible

22:26But unto the damsel thou shalt do nothing; there is in the damsel no sin worthy of death; for as when a man riseth against his neighbour, and slayeth him, even so is this matter.

中文译文

22:26但不可办女子、他本没有该死的罪、这事就类乎人起来攻击邻舍、将他杀了一样．

King James Version

22:27For he found her in the field, and the betrothed damsel cried, and there was none to save her.

A Hebrew - English Bible

22:27 For he found her in the field; the betrothed damsel cried, and there was none to save her. {S}

中文译文

22:27因为男子是在田野遇见那已经许配人的女子、女子喊叫并无人救他。

King James Version

22:28If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found;

A Hebrew - English Bible According to the Masoretic Text and the JPS 1917 Edition

22:28If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, that is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found;

中文译文

22:28若有男子遇见没有许配人的处女、抓住他与他行淫、被人看见

（注3：这里讲的是强奸没有许配人的女子）

King James Version

22:29Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.

A Hebrew - English Bible According to the Masoretic Text and the JPS 1917 Edition

22:29then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife, because he hath humbled her; he may not put her away all his days. {S}

中文译文

22:29这男子就要拿五十舍客勒银子、给女子的父亲、因他玷污了这女子、就要娶他为妻、终身不可休他。

从上面我们可以看出，基督徒的英文译本和犹太人的英文本除了词序上的一些不同外，没有显著的出入。好了，那么jewcn.org指出NIV英文本在25节和28节这两处出现的rape的用法究竟是否是基督徒脱离开犹太背景私解圣经。我们下面就从内证和外证两方面来看看

先看内证：

在创世纪34:1-7中，正好有个例子讲示剑奸污雅各的女儿底拿的例子,这里的”took”希伯来文为“laqach”。意为：

1，to take, get, fetch, lay hold of, seize, receive, acquire, buy,

bring, marry, take a wife, snatch, take away

2，to take, capture, seize

“A Hebrew - English Bible According to the Masoretic Text and the JPS 1917 Edition”中是25节使用的是“take hold of” 而28节是“lay hold on her”

希伯来文“lay hold on”是“taphas”。意为：

1) to catch, handle, lay hold, take hold of, seize, wield

a) (Qal)

1) to lay hold of, seize, arrest, catch

2) to grasp (in order to) wield, wield, use skilfully

b) (Niphal) to be seized, be arrested, be caught, be taken, captured

c) (Piel) to catch, grasp (with the hands)

这里很清楚，“laqach” 和“taphas”具有相同或相似的意思，在25节和28节中都表明强迫的意思，是“rape”。

我们现在再回过头来看前面所说的不同的情况，22节仅仅说“lying with a woman married to an husband”没有任何“强迫”的意思，所以22节这里是指“奸淫”的罪或是”婚前性行为”的罪,不是强奸的罪. 23节也仅仅说, “find her in the city, and lie with her”.没有任何强迫的意思,所以两个人都要被处死.到了25节这里, 讲的很清楚是rape,因为女的喊,没有人救她,所以男的要被处死. 在29节中，犹太人根据Masoretic Text 和 JPS 1917 Edition翻译的英文使用“he hath humbled her”来表明女子的受害情况。这个“humbled”的希伯来文是“anah”。意为“be humiliated” “侮辱，污辱,玷污”，而且28节中有强迫的意思。所以,25节和28节很清楚地表明,都是rape,只不过25节谈的是rape “已经许配人的女子”而28节谈的是rape“没有许配人的处女”。基督教的翻译十分准确，只不过这位半瓶醋的弟兄没有搞清楚自己的经书，反倒倒打一耙，倒是真的造孽了。

光听我这样解释，可能不是很充分，那么我们就举几个犹太人自己的解释作为外证。

外证:

1, 拉比Dr. Azriel Rosenfeld :的解释

“If a man rapes a virgin he must pay the fine in any event and must marry her (unless she does not want him) and can never divorce her (except for cause), as it says "If a man finds a virgin and seizes her and lies with her... he must give her father 50 pieces of silver and she must become his wife... he cannot send her away all his life".(Deut. 22:28-29)

出处：http://www.torah.org/learning/halacha-overview/chapter25.html

2, Sanhedrin 004引用:

The Torah, in Deuteronomy 22, distinguishes between two kinds of sexual relationship between and man and a woman outside the marriage bond: rape and seduction... Verses 28-29 of that chapter deal with the rape of an unmarried woman.

出处：http://www.bmv.org.il/Shiurim/sanhedrin/san104.html

3，关于犹太教的问题与回答的摘录：

Q：What does Jewish law say about rape and seduction?

A： The Torah specifies fines for a man who rapes or seduces a woman, and he must also marry her; see Ex.22:16-17 and Deut. 22:28-29. But Rabbinical courts are no longer qualified to enforce these laws.

出处：http://www.jewishanswers.com/?p=527

通过以上的内证和外证清楚地表明这位jewcn.org是在胡说八道。其实有很多问题拉比是知道的，愿不愿意说实话那就要看拉比的人品