Stalisca Ekologa Timi Ecimovic, Zeleni Slovenije, SEG,Umanotera, Dopps,Slo. E-Forum

Opinions Ecologist Timi Ecimovic, Green party of Slovenia, SEG, Umanotera, Dopps,Slo. E-forum

21 . Oktober - 11. November 2003

Zasanjana pokrajina na Golicu - jo bomo znali ohraniti ?

Beautiful landscape on Golic - we'll know to keep ?

Stalisca do postavitve vetrnih elektrarn na Golicu :

Oponions about setting up wind turbines on upland Golic :

Ekolog - Timi Ecimovic - Stalisce nominiranca za Nobelovo nagrado, clana Evropske komisije za okolje, aktivnega clana Evropske akademije za znanost in umetnost, predsednika Svetovnega foruma mislecev in ustanovitelja SEM - Instituta za klimatske spremembe.

On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 at 06:14:03, Timi Ecimovic wrote:

Pozdravljen David !

Zahvaljujem se za elektronsko posto. Mislim, da ni prav, da dajem ad hock
mnenja, za zadeve, ki so nedorecene. Vendar v primeru vetrnih elektrarn
lahko omenim, da zemljepis Slovenije ni primern za vetrne elektrarne. Namrec
v primerjavi z drugimi dezelami (ob Atlantiku in drugimi), ki imajo veliko
stevilo ur stalnih vetrov, nalozbe v vetrne elektrarne v Sloveniji nimajo
moznost gospodarnega dela.

Mislim, da sedanja prizadevanja nekaterih za postavitev vetrnih elektrarn v
Sloveniji predstavljajo poskuse, ki niso namenjeni dolgorocnem gospodarjenju
s prostorom.

Na splosno omenjam, da je prihodnost energetske dolgorocne preskrbe
prebivalstva (upam tudi v Sloveniji) v vodikovi energiji.

Prosim prejmite lepe pozdrave!

Timi

Ecologist - Tims Ecimovic - Opinion nominee for Nobel's prize, member Of European committee for environment, active member Of European academy for science and art, president Of world forum of philosophers and founder SEM - Of institution for climatic change.

Greeted David !I'm thanking for e-mail. Think, that is not right, that give ad hock of opinion, for matter, which are not conclude. However in instance of wind power plants can mention, that geography of Slovenia is not suitable for wind power plant. Namely in comparison with other countries (against Atlantic Ocean and other), which have a lot number of hours of permanent winds, of investment to wind power plants in Slovenia not have possibility economical part.I'm thinking, that of sitting down striving of some for setting up of wind power plants in Slovenia represent experiments, which are not intended long-term manage with place.Roughly speaking mention, that is future of energy long-term supply population (hope also in Slovenia) in hydrogen's energy.Please receive kind regard!
Timi

Stalisce ZELENIH SLOVENIJE, g. Franc Maleckar

Zeleni Kopra smo prvi sprozili plaz proti vetrnicam.

Mislim, da je nase stalisce jasno:

izgled krajine, unicenje rezervata - naravne in kulturne dediscine;

ekonomika! Drugod po Evropi take elektrarne zapirajo.

lep dan zelim, Franci

Zaradi predstavnika iz Postojne, ki zadnje case nastopa v medijih in se predstavlja kot predstavnik Zelenih Slovenije pa :

Ne, ta predstavnik je samozvani clan Zelenih Slovenije, njegovo mnenje v
nobenem primeru ni tudi stalisce Zelenih. Omenjeni gospod je svoboden strelec,…

LP, Zeleni Slovenije

Zeleni Kopra - Green party of Koper are the first trigger landslide against Wind turbines.
I'm thinking, that is our opinion clearly: appearance of landscape, destruction of reserve - of natural and of cultural heritage; economy! Elsewhere round Europe of such power plant close.

have a nice day , Franci

Stalisce SEG - STRANKA EKOLOŠKIH GIBANJ SLOVENIJE , g. Lado Srecnik

Spoštovani varuhi narave!

Osebno sem proti krutim posegom v naravo in zato tudi nasprotujem postavitvi vetrnic na Golicu.Pri svojem dolgoletnem delu sem pri rednem delu, društvenih dejavnostih in drugih institucijah, vedno deloval v smislu varovanja narave. (Bil sem clan Zveze tabornikov Slovenije, direktor Komunalnega podjetja Trzic, strokovni delavec Samoupravne komunalne interesne skupnosti, predsednik komisije za varstvo okolja pri Turisticni zvezi Slovenije in še drugih zadolzitvah. Sedaj sem tudi podpredsednik Stranke ekoloskih gibanj Slovenije.)
Slogan, ki ga uporabljam ze desetletja pri raznih aktivnostih je: "NARAVA NAM VRACA NAŠO PRIJAZNOST" Upam, da se je ze mnogim utisnil v spomin, moral se bo pa še tistim, ki pripravljajo, oblikujejo in sprejemajo zakonodajo s podrocja varstva narave. Clovek je eden od sestavnih delov zivljenja na zemlji. Za dolgorocni obstoj, cloveku primernega zivljenja, mora delovati celotni krog zivljenja.

Trzic, 8. 10. 2003 Lado Srecnik, org.dela

PARTY OF ECOLOGICAL MOVEMENTS OF SLOVENIA
Personally am against cruel interventions to nature and therefor also oppose to setting up wind power plants on Golic. Slogan, which him use already of decade at raznih activities her: "NATURE US RETURNS OUR KINDNESS" Hope, that is already many retain to memory, must will still that, which prepare, form and receive legislation from field of custody of nature. Human is one from component part of life on land. For long-term exist, to human of suitable life, must to act entire circle of life.

Stalisce UMANOTERE , Slovenske fundacije za trajnostni razvoj
UMANOTERA - Slovenian Foundation for Sustainable Development

E-posta: info@umanotera.org
http://www.umanotera.org

Nimajo se izrazenega stalisca .

They don't have expressed opinion.

Stalisce DOPPS
Bird Watching and Bird Study Association of Slovenia (DOPPS)
dopps@dopps-drustvo.si

Nimajo se izrazenega stalisca.

They don't have expressed opinion.

Stalisce Slovenskega E-Foruma -dodano - add 10.11.2003

se-f @siol.net

Kratka izjava NVO o NEP (Nacionalnem energetskem programu) in OVE (Obnovljivih virih energije):

Prva slovenska prioriteta je zmanjšanje energetske intenzivnosti, enako pomembna prioriteta je zmanjševanje vsega obremenjevanja okolja z energetiko. Tretja prioriteta in poti do prvih dveh ciljev pa so - internalizacija "eksternih" stroškov in okoljska javnofinancna reforma,
- ukrepi za bolj ucinkovito rabo in transformacije energije,
- razvoj lokalne energetike in
- nadomešcanje neobnovljivih virov z OVE!
Socasno je treba optimirati stroške in povecati zanesljivost oskrbe z energijo. Obnovljivi viri energije lahko prispevajo k trajnostnemu razvoju in k štirim splošnim ciljem energetske politike: strateška zanesljivost oskrbe, zmanjšanje obremenjevanja okolja, konkurencnosti druzbe in socialna kohezivnost. Vendar mora biti razvoj OVE uravnotezen, saj tudi raba teh virov energije obremenjuje prostor, predvsem naravne vrednote in kulturno krajino. Neustrezno zastavljen razvojni program OVE lahko povzroci sprevrzene socialne, energetsko-politicne in gospodarske ucinke.
Zecetne poteze pri razvoju vetrne energije so pokazale nekatere slabosti, ki lahko škodijo celotnemu razvoju OVE, v smislu kriterijev uspešnosti, ki bistveno obsega tudi promocijo trajnostnega razvoja, regionalni razvoj, socialno kohezivnost, inovativnost itd.
Zlasti bode v oci navezava drzave, javnih podjetij in tujih investitorjev ob pomanjkanju zanesljivih kriterijev in podatkov za naravovarstvene presoje in odsotnost kakršnekoli tehnološke (vkljucevanje slovenskega znanja v mednarodne grozde) oziroma trzne inovativnosti (zelena elektrika).
Opomba: sedanji vzorec ima veliko karakteristik ¨neo-kolonialne¨ razvojne paradigme-zrtvovanja naravnih vrednot in dedinšcine, odkup soglasij in zemlje ¨domorodcev¨ v zameno za dobicke zasebnih oziroma privatizirajocih se investitorjev z drzavno podporo.Odkupne cene so (primerjalno z drugimi OVE), glede na prispevek vetrne energije k trajnostnemu razvoju v Slovenije neupraviceno visoke, postopki pa nedodelani in glede dostopnosti pomembnih strokovnih podlag (npr. zmanševanje obratovanja drugih elektrarn) netransparentni (npr. nedostopne podjetniške študije okoljskih vplivov in energetsko-strateške upravicenosti.).
Predlagani prvi korak k razvoju VE v Sloveniji je: postavitev manjšega vetrnega parka na lokaciji, ki okoljsko ne bo sporna. Tak projekt se lahko sofinancira v skupini ¨komercialno še nekonkurencnih OVE¨, torej s ciljanimi dodatnimi spodbudami.
Po vsestranski oceni izkušenj tega projekta se pristopi k javni strateški presoji vloge VE v slovenski energetiki.

Preberi vec na strani : http://www.ljudmila.org/sef/
oziroma neposredno: http://www.ljudmila.org/sef/stara/Izjava%20SE-F%20o%20OVE.pdf

S pozdravi
Miha Tomšic

Our short statement sounds:

Short statement National energy program and renewable sources of energy (RTE):The first Slovenian priority is decrease of energy intensity,the same important priority is reducing all loading of environment with energetics.
The third priority and of way till the first two of targets are:internalizacion of external costs and environmental public financial reform,measures for more efficiently use and transform energy,development of local energetics and substituting unrenewable sources from RTE.
Coincidently it is necessary formulate optimum costs and to increase reliability of supply with energy.Renewable sources of energy can contribute to sustainable development and to four to general targets of energy policy:
strategic reliability of supply,decrease of loading of environment,of competitiveness of company and social tenacity.However must to be development RTE balanced,because also use of this sources of energy loads place,above all of natural value and cultural landscape.
Unsuitably asked developmental program RTE can causes quibble social,energy-of political and economical effects.

Initial of move at development of wind energy have shown of some disadvantage,which can damage to entire development RTE,within the meaning criteria of successfulness,which essentially contains also promotion sustainable development,regional development,socially tenacity,inovvation asl.
Especially butt to eye see state,of public services and of foreign investors against lack of reliable criteria and of data for nature protection judgement and absence of any technological (including of Slovenian knowledge to international clusters) respectively of market inovvations (green electricity).
Remark:sittings down pattern has a lot characteristics neo-colony developmental paradigm-of sacrifice of natural values and heritage,purchase of consents and of land of natives to exchange for profits of private respectively private investors with state support.
Of purchase price are (comparatively with other),as for contribution of wind energy to sustainable development on Slovenia unjustifiedly high,procedures pa not finish and as accessibility of important professional bases (e.g. reduce of operation other power plants) not transparent (exclusive enterprise study of environmental impacts and energy strategic legitimacies.
Proposed the first step to development WPP in Slovenia : setting up of smaller wind park on location,which environmental no will uncertain.Such project can so financial in group commercially still not competite,so from target additional stimulations.
For comprehensive estimates of experiences this project joins to public strategic judgement of submission in Slovenian energetics.

Read more : http://www.ljudmila.org/sef/
or: http://www.ljudmila.org/sef/stara/Izjava%20SE-F%20o%20OVE.pdf

Miha Tomšic

Hvala Vsem, ki so nam poslali svoja stalisca in jim ni vseeno, kako se ¨DELA¨ v Sloveniji z naravnimi bogastvi.

Upamo, da se gospodarstvo in politika zavedata, kaj Slovencem pomenijo

Nasa pestra in raznolika pokrajina, ki nam je omogocila obstanek in zivljenje na tem koscku planeta Zemlje.

Ljudje postajajo vedno bolj obcutljivi in zaskrbljeni glede ogrozanja okolja.

Ravno Natura2000 - evropski pogled , ki daje popolnoma enakovrednost varstvu narave z drugimi sektorji

kot so energetika, kmetijstvo, industrija itd., bi nam hotela povedati, da vetrne elektrarne ne sodijo na neokrnjena obmocja,

se posebno ne na kraske kamnite suhe travnike kot sta Golic in Volovja reber. Ji bomo znali ali ji bomo morali prisluhniti ?

Da za vetrne elektrarne, vendar na primernih obmocjih, ne pa v naravnih parkih.

Slovenci smo za vetrne elektrarne, vendar ne na neokrnjenih kraških planotah in po raziskavi javnega mnenja, sta Golic in Volovja reber med najmanj zazelenimi potencialnimi lokacijami za vetrne elektrarne, ki pomenijo grobo industrializacijo in so v svetu ze oznacene kot novodobni onesnazevalec okolja in kradljivec tišine. Vetrne elektrarne niso ne zelen nacin pridobivanja energije in ne poceni, za svoje delovanje so prostorsko najbolj potratne pa še naše burje ne marajo. Po svetu je ze preko šesto skupin ljudi, ki so proti vetrnim elektrarnam in tudi Greenpeace ne podpira postavitve kjerkoli. V Veliki britaniji, ko so jih mislili postaviti v nekem okrozju , je cerkveni moz povedal :- to bi bilo vandalsko dejanje ekvivalentno Talibanskim unicenjem starodavnih kipov Bude v Bariyanu v Afganistanu.

Kakorkoli, so podrocja na katerih je treba prepovedati postavljati vetrne elektrarne :
- naravni rezervati
- nacionalni parki
- podrocja v blizini naravnih znamenitosti
- podrocja v odprtih prostorskih in pokrajinskih nacrtih s izjemnimi posebnimi naravoslovnimi pomembnostmi
- na posebno zavarovanih podrocjih v pokrajini, kjer bo zavarovanje ogrozeno z umestitvijo vetrnih elektrarn
- na zgodovinsko kulturnih pokrajinah
In na predelih pokrajin , ki so izkljucno namenjeni rekreaciji.

Thank you All, which are us send one's opinions and them is not still, how ¨ WORK ¨ in Slovenia with natural wealths.We're hoping, that economy and policy realize, what Slovene mean our variegated and diverse country, which us is enable to subsist and life on this part of Earth. Humans become always more sensitive and worried as threatening of environment.
Straight Natura2000 - European view , which gives completely equivalence to custody of nature with other sectors as are energetics, farming, industry etc., would us want to tell, that of wind power plant don't judge on intact ranges, still particularly no on Karst stone dry meadows as are of Golic and Volovja reber. We'll know or her will must to listen ?

Yes for wind power plant, however on suitable ranges, no pa in natural parks.
Slovenes are for wind power plant, however no on intact Karst plateaus and for research of public opinion, are of Golic and Volovja reber between at least desirable potential locations for wind power plants, which mean brutally industrialization and are in world already marked as newage pollutant of environment and thief of silence. Of wind power plant are not no green manner of production of energy and no cheaply, for one's activity are spatially the most exstravagance still of our wind - Burja no like.
Across the globe is already by the sixth of groups humans, which are against wind power plants and also Greenpeace doesn't support of setting up anywhere. In United Kingdom, when are them think to set in a certain district , is church man tell :- this would be an act of vandalism equivalent to the Taliban destruction of the ancient Buddhist statues of Bariyan in Afghanistan.

Landscapes which must be excluded from wind power plants :
- nature reserves
- national parks
- areas surrounding natural wonders
- areas in open-space plans and landscape plans designated with special scientific significance
- parts of landscape protection zones where protection objectives would be essentially compromised by wind turbine installations
- historic cultural landscapes
- and landscape zones used exclusively for recreation.

Projekt : Ohranitev Golica pred postavitvijo vetrnih elektrarn je verjetno najvecji projekt ohranitve naravnega okolja in

kulturne dedinšcine, ki poteka v letu 2003 v Sloveniji in mogoce v EVROPI - projekt smo prijavili na razpis Nagrade druzbe FORD za leto 2003.

Project : Protection Plateu Golic before setting wind power plants is for at the moment the biggest project of preservation of physical environment and of cultural heritage, which goes in Slovenia in 2003 or maybe in EUROPE - Project registration to Ford Conservation and Environmental Grants 2003.

Prav tako Greenpeace ne podpira postavitve vetrnih elektrarn povsod, še posebno ne , na pomembnih obmocjih za ptice

in kjer je Obmocje Nature 2000.

Also Greenpeace reply, that not automatically supports the construction of wind turbines in any place, particulary not
not in places imortant for birds ( habitat ) and not in places in natura2000.

David Stepan, Zelena narava

e-mail: varovanjenarave@email.si

Upamo, da se ministrstvo zaveda, da planota Golic spada v Drugi vodovarstveni pas reke Rizane, ki skoraj v celoti pokriva

s preskrbo pitne vode vso Slovensko Istro in da nikjer na svetu Vetrnih elektrarn ne postavljajo na taka obmocja zaradi potencialnega onesnazenja pitne vode s sinteticnim oljem ( vsaka vetrna turbina ima okoli 370 litrov olja, 370 x 80 vetrnih elektrn = 30.000 litov olja ). Da bodo vetrne elektrarne vidne iz Hrastoveljskega tabora in da na tem podrocju ze poteka Evropski projekt Natura2000.

Hope, that ministry realizes, that plateau of Golice belongs to Second water protect zone of river Rizane, which almost to whole covers with drinking water entire Slovene Istria and that nowhere on world of wind power plants no set on such ranges because of potential pollution of drinking water with synthetic oil ( every wind turbine has round 370 litres of oil ,370 x 80 Wind turbines = 30.000 litres of oil ). That will of wind power plants of visual from Hrastovlje church - tabor ( The dance of death - freske ) and that on this field already goes European project Natura2000.

Let of Golice stays goal and let him however Mr. minister Janez Kopac at once put in to spatial plan between most highly Natural treasure R. Of Slovenia.

Naj Golic ostane gol in naj ga vendar g. minister Janez Kopac ze enkrat umesti v prostorski plan

med najvišje Naravne vrednote R. Slovenije.

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