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- Stroked by the Guru ~ An interview with Ram Dass
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by David Jay Brown
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Ram
Dass’ Books and lectures have been an inspiration to many people. Ram Dass
(formally Richard Alpert, Harvard professor and longtime friend of Timothy
Leary) is responsible for turning on many in the West to Eastern religious
ideas and is the author of such inspirational classics as Be Here Now, The Only Dance There Is, and Journey if Awakening. He created the Hanuman Foundation to spread
spirituality directly social action in the West and co-founded the Seva, an
international service organization working on public health and social
justice issues that has made major progress in combating blindness in India
and Nepal.
- Ram Dass
had a stroke in February of 1997. I interviewed him on April 7, 1999, to
find out how the stroke had affected his outlook on life. During the
interview he had trouble finding words, and there were a lot of long
pauses, but I could tell that his mind and spirit were essentially
unchanged. Despite the difficulty with communication it was the same old
Ram Dass, and found him more inspirational than ever.
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David Jay Brown
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- What do you
remember from your stroke?
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- I was
lying in bed fantasizing that I was an old man. I was trying to find a way
in myself to experience that fantasy because I was writing a book about
conscious aging, and since I was only sixty-five, I thought I was too
young to write the book. A
friend of mine called from New York and said I sounded sick. While I
fantasized about being old, I hadn’t noticed that I was having a stroke.
So he called my secretaries, who lived nearby and told them that he
thought something was wrong with me. My secretaries came right over.
- By then I
had gotten out of bed and was lying on the floor. I had this weak leg,
which I had figured I would have as an old man. My secretaries looked at
me and then called 911. The next thing I knew I was looking up into the
faces of these young firemen. I just thought that they were looking at me
as an old man—I still don’t remember anything more that happened
except for being wheeled on the gurney in the hospital.
Friends, nurses, and doctors all came in with concerned looks on
their faces, because they were told I was dying. But I just thought that I
was enjoying this fantasy of being an old man and wasn’t really sick at
all.
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- How has your
stroke changed your body physically and mentally?
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- It damaged
my brain in such a way that I’m unable to move my right arm and leg. The
whole right side of my body is pretty much numb at the skin, but there is
plenty of pain. The stroke has also affected my ability to speak. I have
difficulty expressing concepts. The dressing room for concepts—where I
dress them in words—has been harmed by the stroke. I have the concepts
but no words to play with.
- What have you learned from your
stroke?
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- One of the
things my guru said is that when he suffers, it brings him closer to God.
I have found this too. The stroke is benevolent because the suffering is
bringing me closer to God. It’s the guru’s grace, and his blessing is
the stroke. Before the stroke I enjoyed playing golf, driving my MG sports
car, playing my cello. Now I can’t do any of those things. I can’t do,
do, do all the time.
- The way I
approach what happened is that with the stroke began I began a new
incarnation. In the last incarnation I was a golfer, a sports car driver,
a musician. Now I have given all that up. The psychological suffering only
comes when I compare incarnations—if say, oh, I used to be able to play
the cello. So I say my guru has stroked me to bring me closer to a
spiritual domain.
- I’ve
learned that silence is good. I knew that before but I’ve learned it
thoroughly now. I’ve
learned about helping. In my life before I was a “helper,” and serving
was power. Now I am helpless. Instead of my book How
Can I Help? now I can have a book called How
Can you Help Me? From the
point in the morning when I wake up, I need help: Going to the bathroom,
eating, going anywhere, I need to ask for help from those around me.
That’s powerlessness. But I’ve learned that even that role can
be played with compassion, so that my helpers and I can serve each other.
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- How has your
stroke affected your spiritual outlook?
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- It’s
gotten me deeper into karma yoga. This is my karma, and it is also my
yoga. I think that it’s taught me more about how suffering is a
stepping-stone toward a spiritual goal. My stroke has also affected
people. I was a spiritual friend for many, many people—through my books,
tapes, or lectures. I was an identification figure for them, an the stroke
shook them. They couldn’t figure out why a person with such spiritual naches
could suffer a stroke. It undermined the feeling that only good comes to
those who are good. I wanted to open the hearts of people, and my stroke
did this and much more than my books, tapes or anything else.
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- How has
medical marijuana been helpful to you?
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- It has
helped me quiet down the spasticity and the pain. It’s also given me a
perspective toward the stroke that’s spiritual. I haven’t found many
doctors who understand that medical marijuana is good for people who have
had strokes, although there are data that show it has been good for stroke
victims, because it’s good for brain function. I’ve had to fight my
way against doctors to use medical marijuana.
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- Have you had
any psychedelic experiences since your stroke?
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- Sure.
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- Have they
been any different from the experiences you had prior to the stroke?
- No,
they were not particularly different. But I think that psychedelic
experiences helped me gain perspective. They helped me escape from the
perspective of minds around me—the healers who are focused on the body.
I needed to use a psychedelic to focus on the spirit.
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- What do you
think happens to conscienceless after the death of the physical body?
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- I think it
jumps into a body of some kind, on some plane of existence, and it goes on
doing that until its Buddhist sense, it jumps into form until it merges
into formlessness. From a Hindu point of view, consciousness keeps going
through reincarnations, which are learning experiences for the soul.
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- Is there
anything else about how your stroke affected you that you’d like to add?
- I think
that it’s increased my humanness. It’s a strange thing to say, but
when I started out my spiritual journey I was a psychologist, and I was
busy being an ego. Then I got into my spiritual nature. I was a soul, and
pushed away my ego and body. Now I’m not pushing away these things.
I’m making friends with my body. The stroke taught me honor those planes
of consciousness which include the physical. Since my stroke, some of my
friends say they’ve found me human, and that I was never human before.
They mean I’m inhabiting my ego. Now they can find me as an individual,
whereas before they could only find me as a soul.
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