Debunking Christianity
Part III

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Dialogue 41
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Hello lumineuse - June 21, 2000
    Dear Vj, you are quite right when you say that a wise man never runs out of time,
  1. Vj ~ And couldn’t I be right about your god being a bigger fool also?

    because a wise man does not waste time

  2. Vj ~ On the contrary, when one has time on one's side, one can afford to do anything with it.

    in useless things like gossiping, looking at the defects of others, or

  3. Vj ~ I call it kindness to make known one defects so that one can elevate oneself.

    proving truth etc...

  4. Vj ~ Proving truth is what makes a man wise.

    As such no matter how unlimited time may be, it is always a good idea to use our thoughts, words and actions in a way that will bring benefit to all, that is to use them in a worthwhile way.

  5. Vj ~ Those who are followers of false dogmas use it to only foster their own selfish end, while the wise use it to elevate all, barring none, by constructively criticizing what is false.

    Every time I allow a quality to emerge through my words, my thoughts, and this quality can be a number of things for example peace or love or truth, then I have benefited not only myself but all those around me.

  6. Vj ~ Far from the truth, since it resulted in ignorance which is the cause of pain and misery, it is like living in a fool's paradise, dreaming that the world would become better by just peace or love. All religions claim peace and love and yet they raped and plundered in the name of this love and peace.

    May your mind and heart be filled with peace and contentment.

  7. Vj ~ It is, why else I am here trying to share it with others?

    Hello Pvaaunle - June 23, 2000
    And so you will continue on an endless quest which is exactly what the enemy wants because he knows that once you realize who you really are, he is through.

  8. Vj ~ Wise men have no enemies!

    Hello MIKE_BRUCE3 - June 25, 2000
    VJ....Have you done wrong? If so, then you are bound to hell without FORGIVENESS.

  9. Vj ~ I prefer to be with Satan since he is consistent rather than to lay trust in the biblical God that is inconsistent - happy one moment and unhappy the next.

    I'm very sad if you feel that way.

  10. Vj ~ Not as sad as I feel for one who awaits a man who has been dead for 2,000 years to forgive one. I will take my chances with Satan at least he is alive and neither man nor your God can crucify him.

    Wise men have no enemies? THERE ARE NO WISE MEN, THEN.

  11. Vj ~ Not from where I am standing.

    Your adversary the Devil goes around like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour. YOUR enemy, and mine, is the Devil. Who is wise, now

  12. Vj ~ Still the one who sees no devil and has no enemy is wise.

    Hello Pvaaunle - June 27, 2000
    Pvaaunle: And so you will continue on an endless quest which is exactly what the enemy wants because he knows that once you realize who you really are he is through.
    Vj ~ Wise men have no enemies!
    You are so right VJ. For those who have the wisdom of God there can be no enemy because none or no one can stand up to God’s wisdom.

  13. Vj ~ Then it makes perfect sense that since your God has Satan as an enemy, his wisdom is for the birds and is best suited for fools.
Dialogue 42
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Hello lumineuse -
    Dear Vj, I am curious to know which God you are talking about.
  1. Vj ~ I am talking about both your false god and the one true God

    You have made a lot of comments of "your God is like this " and "your God is like that", but I have not heard you talk about what Your God is like.

  2. Vj ~ Well if your god had sex with women (Sarah, virgin Mary), murdered, maimed the innocent and condone the immoral conduct of adultery, incest and murder, doesn't that tell you that my God is quite the opposite?

    I can tell you that the God that I love and respect always says: treat those you perceive as your enemies to be your friends because in fact they are teaching you the greatest lessons, be it humility or tolerance or patience.

  3. Vj ~ How can such a god who is guilty of the above crimes, restricting free-born souls of free-will, be a teacher of "humility or tolerance"?

    The Supreme never says that anyone is His enemy,

  4. Vj ~ Then who is Satan?

    and all he wants is to help us go back to our original divine nature.

  5. Vj ~ Is incest (Cain co-habiting with his sister) "our original divine nature"?

    What if the assumptions you have been making about God to answer people are wrong, I mean you have based all your answers on this board on what people have said about God, but what if that's not who He really is?

  6. Vj ~ If it is people, it is the people who wrote the Bible. If I am wrong you can be rest assured that they too are wrong.

    For example for along time people said that the earth was flat and based all their arguments on that, but because the assumption was wrong then the argument however clever cannot stand...

  7. Vj ~ It is the Bible that led people to believe in the flat earth theory, (Christians persecuting Greek philosophers) and if it is wrong, then those who acted and wrote in the bible were ignorant and cannot be true representative of God's wisdom.

    and, so it is important to really ask that question who is God before we go further into all those circular discussions

  8. Vj ~ Who ever God is, He is certainly not the god of the Bible, Torah or Q'uran. The "circular discussions" belong to those who have not done comparative studies of all religions, to determine whether what they have is true or false.

    Hello kwest_97 - July 01, 2000
    IS THERE MORE THAN ONE GOD?

  9. Vj ~ Since all religions oppose each other it may seem that there are many gods, but because they do, there is only one true God. As I said before, the source to knowing the one true God, must be harmony with reasoning, science and conforms with natural laws. Any religion or theory that breaches these three facts is false.

    Hell steve-tripod - July 01, 2000
    VJ - is the enemy of the followers of God. For he is the idiotic fool who is a jackass. Regards VJ my good buddy & pal.

  10. Vj ~ And Steve is my disciple ‘Judas’, all set to betray me for a few pieces of silver.

    Given anymore consideration to answering my questions on your other message board or would you rather I pose them to you here and everyone here can see you for what you are? Or maybe they already do?

  11. Vj ~ And haven't you noticed idiot, it makes no difference, that wherever you post, I respond.

    VJ - work on that english a little; try using the proper wording.

  12. Vj ~ Believe me steve, even proper english cannot cure your ignorance. So you can stop making excuses.

    You're making yourself look like such a fool.

  13. Vj ~ And where have I given the impression that I mind?

    Whoops!! Sorry I infringed on your trademark!

  14. Vj ~ It's ok, just watch your step next time.
Dialogue 43
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Hello Pvaaunle - July 01, 2000
    VJ you just don't get it. Satan can't do anything to God.
  1. Vj ~ Neither can your God do anything to Satan! How could he, when your god is a helpless coward who strikes against innocent beings with flood, plagues, famine, fire and brimstones and never once against the evil of all evil, Satan.

    He is allowed to be here to give you a choice between love and hate. And it really is that simple.

  2. Vj ~ What choice did those innocent souls (Sodom, Noah's flood, first born of Egypt, 70,000 of Israel, etc.) had when he murdered them in cold blood and what choice is there for those in remote regions who never heard of the Christian faith. It is not that really that simple when it comes to your god, is it?.

    Hello xianzebala - July 01, 2000
    Sati (Widow-Burning), in the "Hindu/Vedic Religion"

  3. Vj ~ In the time of Sati there were no Vedic religion, it was totally rejected for the past 5,000 years. It was only revived a little over 120 years ago by this hero of a reformer.

    According to Hindu-Vedic scriptures, a widow is required to mount the funeral of her dead husband and be cremated along with his corpse.

  4. Vj ~ It is true, but it all started when the Muslims invaded India, a thousand years ago. These courageous women (widows) would commit suicide rather than be raped by the dirt-bags Muslim invaders. Even the dead bodies they would rape, so these helpless souls chose to be cremated alive with their dead husbands. Such was the valor of these great women for over 800 years of Muslim tyranny in India.

    Hello Pvaaunle - July 01, 2000
    Wow!! I can see women running with all their might to India to become members of that religion.

  5. Vj ~ Being the idiot you are, can you not see them going to Afghanistan also to join his religion, to be covered from head to toe, whipped in the public, denied education, subjected to polygamy, force to worship at the point of a gun and finally death justified as "honor killing".

    Again GODS WRITTEN WORDS fulfilled by men. This time on the side of the curses.

  6. Vj ~ Christianity, where the blacks (slaves) and native people of nations were raped, murdered and humiliated in the name of Christ. All false dogmas have a tale of barbarism and tyranny, if it is not physical it is mental or both.

    Meditate on this prophecy VJ, if you can just open your mind enough to think, what if this is true it will do wonders for your disposition and what a change could take place in your personality.

  7. Vj ~ What cannot be of benefit to all of mankind from the beginning of creation to now and until the end, cannot be true or do any wonders. I am speaking of those who already have gone before Christ and those that dwell in remote regions who have never heard of Christ. A god who caters for some while depriving some can never be the true god. Why don't you answer these rebuttals specifically instead of quoting your baseless scripture?

    VJ I sure hope you repent before that glorious day when Christ comes.

  8. Vj ~ Listen lame-brain, it is the law of nature that the dead can never come back to life. It is not happening anywhere now, neither will be in the future nor did it happened in the past. It is a law and even God cannot violate. It is never the good or the wise, but the wicked and ignorant that breach the laws of our land. Similarly, an All-wise and All-perfect God cannot breach these laws. Christ, if he ever existed before, is not coming again, so get out of your ignorance and stop fooling others before it is too late.
Dialogue 44
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Hello Jewelled-Spirit - July 3rd, 2000
    Vj ~ Curiosity can be harmful especially when one at the elementary level tempts what can only be understood at the academic level.
    JS: True, but one must begin somewhere.
  1. Vj ~ Yes, but not for one who has already started the practice of Yoga.

    Vj ~ One of the first criteria required to begin the journey to enlightenment, is asking questions from the beginning of this philosophical treatise, and after acquiring some understanding of it, then gradually work your way to the end. After ingraining the proper reasoning habits, the first subject of true religion is matter (matter cause), and not emancipation.
    How long have you studied?

  2. Vj ~ One thing I can tell you for sure is that if you do find the right teacher, time is of no essence.

    Did you have a teacher?

  3. Vj ~ And a very good one he was too, who taught more by examples - “do what I also do and not only what I say”.

    On the other hand, it must “struck” you also that the observation is incomplete if I am not the lone wise (righteous) to be among the wicked. Since the wicked cannot become righteous by themselves, then logically speaking my presence here is indeed a compassionate and merciful act.
    Why do you want others to become righteous?

  4. Vj ~ It is not what I want, it is just the nature of wisdom to have compassion and mercy for the less unfortunate.

    (Re: Insulting for one’s own good)
    Vj ~ It is not a “view” which is for the ignorant, it is a duty which is the practice of the wise.
    Yes, we‘ve discussed that in the past.

  5. Vj ~ The you obviously didn’t get, otherwise you would not have brought it up again.

    Vj ~”It is laid down that man should so conduct himself that he might not give pain to and entertain inimical thoughts towards any living being. But in matters which are opposed to the teachings of the Shastras, the Vedas and others (of true religion), giving of pain becomes a duty.” Swami Dayanand.
    This a dilemma.

  6. Vj ~ The dilemma is really what (truth) they don’t know and not what and how it is being made known.

    Because the majority of people are “opposed to the teaching of the Shastras, the Vedas, and others”, you must be inclined to inflict pain on others all the time.

  7. Vj ~ Aren’t there pain and suffering otherwise? aren’t those (paid) concern with cure also inflict (surgically) more pain to give relief or even a cure? I am quite sure you take that for granted that it (pain) is a way of life. So why not give my therapy a helping hand instead, since it is actively trying to prevent, with little “inflicted” emotional pain, the greater pain and sufferings that are brought on by ignorance.

    Seems a very emotionally draining proposition.

  8. Vj ~ However hurtful it may seem to you, it is minor in comparison to what is yet come for the soul without it.

    Vj ~ There is no such thing as painless cure and since the worst of all diseases is ignorance (the cause of the greatest sufferings), naturally the cure can be no less painful than already is.
    There are many great teachers/leaders who approach ignorance with gentleness.

  9. Vj ~ There is only one great teacher that has walked this earth within the last 2,300 years and since he is not among the two mentioned, you are not an authority on “great (altruistic) teachers”.

    Gandhi and Thich Nhat Hanh immediately come to mind.

  10. Vj ~ So do the ‘great’ men of the Bible, which you have often criticized. When you would have acquired higher learning (Vedic), those “great teachers” could turn out to be traitors (to true learning) instead.

    Both pacifists accomplished great things without harshness.

  11. Vj ~ Freedom from foreign subjugation (peaceful or otherwise) is far less an achievement in comparison to freedom from ignorance.

    Were/Are they any less wise than you, Vijai?

  12. Vj ~ You be the judge - Swami Dayanand realistically started (India’s struggle for independence) what Gandhi finally ended, but Dayanand did not take up (physically) the cause of India’s freedom because he knew that India were in better hands with the British, than with the divided and quarrelsome state of the ruling Maharajas (kings). He saw the ignorant state (caste system, child marriage, sati and non-education of women and other superstitions brought on false religions, etc.) of Indians to be their greatest enemy and by working to eliminate it, Indians would then be in a better position to govern themselves. Had he lived another ten years perhaps, India and the world could have been freed altogether instead from their greatest enemy, ignorance (false dogmas). This is what a great teacher is all about, freeing the soul first and then country.

    Vj ~ What matters is that you should realize that there is greater harm for the soul without these statements and this message is not about cure, but prevention.
    I find it difficult to understand this point of view, because it seems clear to me that people recoil from such painful words.

  13. Vj ~ Then why are you questioning mine when you lack “understanding”? Doesn’t it also seem clear to you that they “recoil” even without it? Tolerance prolongs pain and misery and is not the cure for ignorance.

    and it is my belief that there should be great deal of mercy given to one who has not yet found “the way”.

  14. Vj ~ Then one should not strive to know at all, since one will be given “a great deal of mercy”. Is this any incentive to higher learning? Ignorance of the law is no excuse, if there is, it would only result in lawlessness and chaos. Mercy is only extended when justice is dispensed fairly. God is just in that He sent us instructions, depriving none, and if they are deprived it is not His fault, but those who knowingly or unknowingly rejected His truth. We are born in different conditions (law of karma) and as such all according to their own actions (past or present) have their own distances to travel, some closer and less difficult and some distant and very difficult. If you missed it in this life, there are others to come, but it is better to know now, because no one desires pain. This is called justice another name for mercy.

    If my goal was to help others to attain salvation, I would aspire to be an encouragement, not a discouragement to their spiritual growth.

  15. Vj ~ Since you have no such goal now, why stand in the way of one that has?

    Perhaps you believe one who is repulsed by your words is not worthy of salvation to begin with.

  16. Vj ~ All are worthy of salvation at some time or the other, but true knowledge can only be properly disseminated in a credulous world when what is false is exposed even if it means diagnosing one as an idiot. An illness, especially one serious as ignorance, is never good news, but it is th only way a cure (by effort) is possible, if it is not too late.

    If that is the case, then my reasoning would be irrelevant. Of course, I believe you think my reasoning is irrelevant anyway.

  17. Vj ~ It is irrelevant to the point where you have taken it, but not otherwise. There are paths or steps to true knowledge, as my site has indicated, and it is only by such means one can acquire this wisdom. There is absolutely no other way for the static intellect buried in false dogmas. Your effort has taken you out of the credulous world and for that I can only congratulate you. As I said before, having a clean plate with nothing to put in it takes you no where in spite of how much you want to help those less unfortunate than you. You must now strive to put what is good in it, by the practice of the correct knowledge, only then you can help others.

    Since they weren’t heading toward my “truth” and salvation, it is obvious that they were already going “in another direction.”
    Even one like me, who seek the truth, back off from this sort of behavior. Using a gentler approach would surely have attracted me ( and likely others) to your truth long ago.

  18. Vj ~ You really think that is bad eh! What about if you were told to shower with cold water (which I had to do) two times a day for a month to be initiated in this program. After 15 years I am still showering with it and the bliss compound with wisdom I have acquired has now transformed that month of discomfort (pain/poison) to mere speck of dust in the desert. Being called an idiot for a month then, would have been less of a discomfort but in any case where would I have been had I rejected either?

    Re:The futility of my compassion)
    Or to put it more bluntly “do not attempt to teach others while you are learning to swim.”
    I agree with this statement when it concerns leadership or academics, but the desire to protect one from harm and empathy toward the feelings of others do not seem to apply.

  19. Vj ~ And is not “leadership” to propagate the most abstruse and highest of all sciences of the Supreme? It is the “leadership or academics” of today that are misleading innocent souls. It is not practice that makes perfect, but correct practice. Similarly, it is not knowledge that makes wise men but the correct knowledge. The difference is, the latter can only be recognized for their leadership, when one has also acquired the correct knowledge.

    There is only one way you or others can recognize “compassion, loving-kindness, kind gentle” in my work and that is when you all have acquired this knowledge. Until then, I am already out and trying to help those down, while you are down trying to prevent those who are further down from coming up.
    I would rather make the journey with them than stand at the edge peering down and cracking the whip.

  20. Vj ~ So you really think a life-guard should go down with his/her victim instead of punching him/her unconscious, when the honest intention is for the victim’s own good? So why did you reject the Christian God while criticizing them for it? You cannot help a fool by becoming one. I see no logic in that at all.

    Re:Yoga brings me peace of mind and body and not animosity).
    Then you need a teacher and if you have got one, perhaps a change is necessary. Have you ever seen crabs trying to get out of a container? As one tries to climb out the others will pull one back down. Human nature, void of true learning, is much the same, and in our quest for salvation, thinking of others, as others would like you to do, while trying to get out, can be a very serious impediment to your progress. This might sound very selfish, but consider how much more helpful you can be already out of the container, trying to help those inside. Again they may not want to come willingly, being so long down there thinking that they are already saved. When kindness, compassion, loving and kind words fail a little force and then more or even excessive at times maybe necessary, even though they might become offended, but still you know it is for their own good. The story of my life (smile).
    Perhaps kind words don’t fail. Beat me with harsh words and cruelty and I will cower and flee, empower me with loving-kindness, truth, and mercy and I will follow.

  21. Vj ~ Followers of all false dogmas are empowered by this continuous flow of “loving kindness, truth, and mercy”, this is why millions follow. But what good is it, when they are relegating their souls to further pain and misery. When it is the truth that hurts what other way is there for wise men to disseminate it?

    I believe warmth and “apparent” genuine desire for the betterment of others would be of such greater impact.

  22. Vj ~ And where has it worked before in propagating this truth?

    Re: When you say “Namaste”, do you mean it?
    It wouldn’t matter what my answer is, had you the wisdom yourself, you would have known.
    Yes, but since it is obvious to both of us that I do not yet share this wisdom - I ask. Your answers do matter - sometimes it’s just difficult to see what your answers are.

  23. Vj ~ When you have lost sight of my previous “answers”, how genuine can this one be?

    (Re: open to truth that will result in emancipation and enlightenment, but not becoming calloused.)
    Then mind your own business of enlightenment and let one who is closer to emancipation do one’s job.
    Is this not what you are doing with me? Or do you feel that answering my questions is a waste of time?

  24. Vj ~ No question or answer is a waste of time. This is what is comprised of critical thinking, which I always welcome. But if time is wasted here, it is yours, not mine. You will never know who, including yourself, is wrong or right unless you have acquired a discriminating intellect (knowing truth from untruth).

    (RE: doesn’t seem like enlightenment and emancipation.)
    How could it, when you are neither enlightened nor emancipated?
    This is why I ask for you to explain it.

  25. Vj ~ Did I not also say that you must start from the beginning (elementary) instead of the end (academic)?

    Swami Dayanand was poisoned 17 times in the ten years he propagated this truth. He saw the pitiful state of ignorance had brought nothing but pain and misery to his people, country and the world. But in the end it was the hands of those whom he showered with compassion, love and cared for so much, that this humble and meek saint met his end, a end which brought him emancipation. When I, like him, seek to propagate this truth in the same way, can it ever be harmful to those I reached out to or even myself.
    With compassion, love and care, no.

  26. Vj ~ Well it is obvious that you have compassion, love and care but lacks the wisdom to help. And I, on the other hand, have the wisdom to help but according to you “lack” compassion, love and care. So tell me by your own reasoning, when they run away from me to glorify you what hope is there for them?

    (RE:Why does God need a gender?)
    God is All-bliss, All-consciousness and All-truth and never in need of anything.
    Blasted semantics. I will rephrase. Why do you attribute a gender to God?

  27. Vj ~ Perhaps you are not in the right mental state for the answer. Didn’t your practice and study of yoga so far stress on being calm and open-minded, an important criteria needed to begin the search for truth?

    It is human nature and the drive for spirituality you do not understand. First try to understand nature, her laws, creation and then God. “Just as color cannot be perceived by ears, nor sound by eyes; in like manner, the Eternal Supreme Spirit is not perceptible to the senses. He can only be seen by a pure soul through the purity of heart, acquisition of knowledge and the practice of yoga. Just as one cannot reap the advantages of knowledge without acquiring it, likewise the Supreme Spirit cannot be seen without the practice of yoga and gaining the highest of knowledge.” The Light of Truth.
    Ok.

  28. Vj ~ Now that you know when will you start reading the Light of Truth?

    Thank you for answering.

  29. Vj ~ It has been a pleasure.
    Regards,
    Vijai.

    Jewelled-Spirit - July 9th, 2000
    Vijai,I put much thought and consideration into what you said in your last post to me (#1289). I prepared a point-by-point answer and let it simmer in my mind for the past couple of days - but when I returned to look at my response, I realized that I no longer saw things the same way that I did. So, I did not post it and took the time for more consideration.

    This led me to think about all that has transpired since we started posting back and forth. Through contemplation on our conversations from the beginning, I realized that in order to begin to see and accept what you were saying, I had to distance myself (detach) from the emotional response your words automatically triggered. I realized that instead of truly listening for the core of what you were saying, I was “reacting” which isn’t listening (or understanding) at all.

    I, being a highly sensitive person, still cringe at the idea of name-calling and harsh behavior in order to make a point (although I have said some pretty harsh things myself, as you pointed out), but I understand a lot more now “why” you do it. What you said in your last post about the necessity for calmness and open-mindedness reminded me to look at the situation with new eyes.

    You have taught me a great deal through our often heated exchanges and I thank you for that. What I have learned has made me more compassionate and understanding and has reminded me how important it is to truly listen without jumping to conclusions or false judgments.

    One statement in particular from your last post had such a profound impact on me, it still sits on my heart. You said, "So tell me by your reasoning, when they run away from me to glorify you what hope is there for them?"

    Thank you, Vijai. From the bottom of my bleeding heart. Knowing you has made me a better person.

    I hope that my experience will help others here to take an honest look at themselves and how they feel about you. You are often a cruel teacher, but sometimes the lessons demand it.

    Namaste
    JS, who was unhappy with the answers because she was asking the wrong questions.

Dialogue 45
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Hello snapperorgans - July 02, 2000
    Give her hell, VJ!
  1. Vj ~ You are not out of the woods either, my friend.

    Well, it seems there is at least one thing we BOTH agree is dead wrong.

  2. Vj ~ While you maybe in a better position to ingrain the proper reasoning habits, you can still sink if no more effort is made to seek higher knowledge by the correct means.

    However, this Vedic religion seems to have the same basic problem as Christianity -

  3. Vj ~ Very true, from your viewpoint there maybe no doubt about it, this is why one must depend on reasoning, science and natural laws to examine these "same basic problem".

    an irrational faith in some human writing as the WORD OF GOD.

  4. Vj ~ When we are void of true learning then all "writings as WORD OF GOD" are indeed irrational. But the question is, where do we begin to ascertain what is true?

    VJ, how do you know that your way is god's way?

  5. Vj ~ One sure way, is that you have made no attempt to refute it as yet. But the point in fact, is that it will be wrong for you to readily accept it because I say you should. It takes a lot of time my friend, which you must be willing to sacrifice to analyze, contemplate and investigate. My site and message boards are very helpful avenues of rational and constructive criticism of what is deemed false and what can be merited as truth. It is only when your reasoning power has developed through this method of learning (prudent inquires and examinations) that you will be in the proper position intellectually to accept or reject.

    Hello Pvaaunle - July 02, 2000
    Like I said VJ repent before it's too late. I can promise you, you will never regret it.

  6. Vj ~ You have got so much manure in your head that one would think that you would be smelling something by now, enough to get out of the mess you're in.
    You know it could be late for me and others like me; you are even full of good promises; you also know that there is no regret for those who are already Christians, but yet you know nothing about the deprived in remote regions who never heard of Christ.
    Aren't you, as well as your bigots of a gods, are aware that only those who are exposed to Christianity have a chance to accept or reject, or a choice of Heaven or Hell? I can see how helpless Christians and their God can be when one is willing to repent and this is the only question that stands in the way.

    Hello Pvaaunle -
    Poor VJ He has another dose of diarrhoea of the mouth, but it's ok VJ here is good prescription for what ails you.

  7. Vj ~ Thank you for the dose, but it is still not the cure for all the manure you and Paul have for brains.

    For some it takes more than one dose.

  8. Vj ~ I agree, especially when the daily brain-washing by a vulgar and obscene Bible can literally turn the free-born intellect into pure cow-manure.

    Doctor Jesus recommends you take as many doses as you have time for in a day for the rest of your life. Guaranteed to work.

  9. Vj ~ "Father why hast thou forsaken me" my guess this "doctor" missed is own daily dose which was "guaranteed to work".

    Of course it will work much faster if one has an open mind as to it's effectiveness.

  10. Vj ~ And of course, when you (a good example) have all manure for brains, it won't be easy to know the effectiveness of an open mind.

    and then there are all of those assistant doses available from the same source if you really want to speed up that healing process.

  11. Vj ~ Come to think of it, the shot-gun, the lack of its dose is now responsible for all the the crap in your head. It is better to have no head at all, than one full of filth.
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Hello snapperorgans - July 04, 2000
    VJ, though I share your opinion of the bible, I want to know why your holy texts hold any more weight.
  1. Vj ~ Any text, holy or unholy, that constructively criticize the Bible and your opinion, definitely has more weight. You must have studied the Bible, in some form or the other, to agree with my criticism, likewise you will have to do the same of my faith to agree or disagree with me.

    Your acceptance of the Vedic dogma (while it does make a bit more sense) is as puzzling to me as a Christian's acceptance of biblical 'truth'

  2. Vj ~ Believe me, if it had made any more sense with your poor knowledge of it, it would have puzzled me more. If there is something that you have read that puzzles you, then it is only simple common sense to ask for clarification. This is why I am here, isn't it? I do not only tell Christians the Bible is rubbish, I literally show them the trash and at the same time a choice of that or the one true God..

    Hello Pvaaunle,Message - July 06, 2000
    VJ that’s a real bad case you've got but don't give up there is always hope.

  3. Vj ~ Pope John Paul, Rev. Billy Graham, Pastor Dr. John Wesley, all have preached this god's work from birth and now all are stricken with painful diseases - Parkinson's, prostate cancer and stroke respectively. What hope are there for the low-life believers when these vicars of Christ are suffering so miserably?

    We all love you and we'll keep praying for you.

  4. Vj ~ What for I am pain-free.

    One of these will do the trick.

  5. Vj ~ Why aren't the tricks working on the Pope, Billy Graham and Pastor Wesley?

    18: Let no man deceive himself.

  6. Vj ~ But Christianity can deceive man.

    If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.

  7. Vj ~ How come you are fool and still not wise yet?

    19: For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God.

  8. Vj ~ Or more like the sign of a jealous god.

    Hello steve-tripod - July 07, 2000
    VJ - message 320 - you allude to the fact that for 5,000 years the Vedic religion was rejected.

  9. Vj ~ All the reason why you should give it more thought since it is the oldest philosophy known to man.

    Why would you follow a religion?

  10. Vj ~ One who follows is a believer (credulous), and one who leads is a knower (wise).

    which billions of people rejected for such a long period of time - doesn't seem like the true religion to me!

  11. Vj ~ It is the law of nature that all things finite must decay even righteousness. The truth, lack of reasoning, will be rejected by even greater numbers .

    You seem to be stuck on the word "shit."

  12. Vj ~ I have you to thank, for bringing up the subject of "toilet paper".

    Are you having intestinal problems; can I get you a laxative?

  13. Vj ~ In other words, you want more shit. Perhaps you are more a hungry dog than a dumb jackass after all.

    OR is it that too much of the brown stuff is coming out of your own mouth that you really need an anti-diarrheoa?

  14. Vj ~ Shows your ignorance since it violates the immutable laws of nature. But on the other hand, since evolution also violates these laws, it must be quite an experience for you, being the violator and the witness at the same time.

    Greetings VJ - Message 319 makes little sense - bad english. Mind re-writing it so all of us might know what your point was?

  15. Vj ~ Here is a better point - if good english is a reflection of the idiot you are, I am prepared to say good riddance to it.

    Hello Pvaaunle - July 07, 2000
    Meditate on These words from Mark Kaphaem they are balm for the soul.

  16. Vj ~ Mark Kaphaen is also a typical lunatic of a Christian like you with no brains at all. It is Christians who need to meditate (reason) on quotes before ever quoting them.

    Our greatest enemy to walking in the Spirit of Christ is the spirit of religion.

  17. Vj ~ Religion is so called because it is based on a mediator between man and God. If Christianity is not a religion because of Christ (a mediator), then neither is Hinduism, Budhism, Sikhism etc. because of Krishna, Buddha, Nanak (also mediators) respectively, since one can easily assume that they too had spirits. As a matter of fact, Krishna and Buddha were even more merciful, humble and truthful than Christ since they never advocated the killing of innocent creatures.

    The Spirit of Christ is humility, the spirit of religion is pride. The Spirit of Christ is sacrifice, the spirit of religion is control. The Spirit of Christ is mercy, the spirit of religion is self exaltation. The Spirit of Christ is truth, the spirit religion brings blindness

  18. Vj ~ If Christ is humility, sacrifice, mercy and truth, then none of these existed before him.
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Hello Pvaaunle - July 08, 2000
    VJ, It's too bad that you want to place your eternity in the hands of the dead.
  1. Vj ~ Especially one, that has been dead for 2000 years.

    As for me I'll take Christ.

  2. Vj ~ Too bad, you speak and think like an idiot.

    From personal experience I know how phony the Eastern Guru's are.

  3. Vj ~ I don't see how holding a shot-gun to your head is any kind of experience to criticized the "Eastern" Gurus.

    They have nothing of lasting value only a feel good now program.

  4. Vj ~ Well I think Christians like your Pope, Billy Graham and Pastor John who are suffering immensely from Parkinson's, prostrate cancer and stroke respectively can do with some of that "feel good now program". I hope when your turn comes you won't be as foolish as they are to reject it.

    Feel for you brother especially when the day comes that you will Jesus in the face.

  5. Vj ~ Be a good Christian and have some feeling for those (Pope, Billy Graham and Pastor John Wesley) who are really suffering in spite of being closer to Christ's face.

    VJ Their suffering is nothing compared to what your will be in that Day.

  6. Vj ~ Listen shit-head, my suffering to come could never be any worst than those Christians who are begging to die (mercy killing). My point is, with or without Christ, it seems there is suffering so who needs Christ?

    Hello Pvaaunle - July 09, 2000
    Listen shit-head, my suffering to come could never be any worst than those Christians who are begging to die (mercy killing). My point is, with or without Christ, it seems there is suffering so who the hell needs Christ?
    As you read this, your reply, can't you see what your lord and master satan is doing to you?

  7. Vj ~ It is only a complete idiot sees what does not exist? When there is perception without a functional intellect all things are possible with a fool. Keep on dreaming!

    This is so childish and you want us to consider the equally childish spiritual things that you post here?

  8. Vj ~ It is even more childish to believe in angels, devils, Santa Claus or even the dead comes back to life again. Grow up!

    One thing in your favor this time you railed against me and not God.

  9. Vj ~ It makes no difference at all to me. Your god must be really full of it to make you such a meat-head in the first place. Worst of it all, Christians call it spirituality.

    Hello MIKE_BRUCE3 - uly 15, 2000
    VJ, regarding your answer to #328 (Pvaaunle) ... is that the best that you can do?

  10. Vj ~ Well what else could I have said since trash (Bible), regardless of the quantity or quality, smells.

    After ALL, this is the Bible that was used that you are so willing to refute as lies.

  11. Vj ~ Its use is good for those with a little common sense to see some truth when it (bible) is exposed as false.

    Admit it, God has you speechless!

  12. Vj ~ If I am speechless it could be the stench from the vulgar and obscene bible.

    Regarding message 323...Hell is ALL that VJ is giving.

  13. Vj ~ How can I be giving hell, when it is the Bible that invented it?

    that there are a lot of people on this board who don't fall for his lies.

  14. Vj ~ But it isn't so nice for those Christians (Pope, Billy Graham, etc.) inflicted with incurable diseases and the others begging to die.

    It's also nice that there are people who care enough about this man who (would rather be with Satan than God, he writes) to write of God's forgiveness through Jesus Christ.

  15. Vj ~ Then it is your Jesus who is a liar.
    "And then he shall reward every man according to his works." Matt14: 27.
    If there is such a thing as forgiveness then the above statement is false. Had you any brains at all it would have been so simple to figure out.

    All of my friends, keep on being a witness! There are silent readers who you will reach! God is actually using this board to win souls!

  16. Vj ~ God is all-bliss and has no desire of winning. Perhaps it is the false god you worship that is frustrated as Christians are, that he is always in need and when he can't win he exacts revenge (flood, famine, plagues, etc). What a hypocrite of a god?

    I wonder how VJ feels about that!?

  17. Vj ~ When God's divine justice is displayed by happiness, pain and suffering, wealth and poverty, beautiful and ugly, humans and animals, etc. I know where the souls of Christians are going. I feel good that I am making such a wonderful effort to help the weak and gullible.

    VJ, I saw your website and there is ONE GIANT FLAW that is obvious.

  18. Vj ~ Only a reminder that (David and) Goliath has nothing to do with spirituality.

    God did not create all of these religions in the world to. RELIGION is the problem.

  19. Vj ~ Very true, and any dogma that has a mediator between man and God is a religion or cult created by man. If yours is true because of Christ, so is Islam because of Mohammad or Buddhism because of Buddha.

    CHRISTIANITY is NOT a religion, it is a TRUTH.

  20. Vj ~ A religion is truth when there is no mediator and is in harmony with reason, science and in conformity with natural laws. Christianity has a mediator and breaches these three criterias.

    The others are the RELIGION. YOU participate in RELIGION. Get your facts straight, bud. Mike

  21. Vj ~ Maybe I do, but the reason given by you cannot be enough to prove it so. Why not try to refute it Mike, like I did, to the rubbish you call the Holy Bible?
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Hello Jewelled-Spirit - July 16, 2000
    Hello Vijai ~
    Vj ~It is even more childish when one believes there are angels, devils, Santa Claus or even the dead comes back to life again. Grow up!
    Awww man!!?? You mean there is no Santa Claus??? Geez...
  1. Vj ~ Isn’t it unfortunate, that we have grown up, and Christians still haven’t?

    Guess that fat guy who sneaks in through the chimney every year has some explaining to do!

  2. Vj ~ Remember he does not exist, it is the Christians who have to do the explaining. Man! and are they good at lying to their kids. It is those who are lacking in spirituality that would lie to their children, just to make them happy however brief it may last.

    Hehe... just kidding,

  3. Vj ~ What else can you do, Jess when they can't even see that they have also made their god, devil and angels out to be like Santa?

    Hello Pvaaunle - July 16, 2000
    Are you in fact a child? Your reactions really are childish.

  4. Vj ~ It is the only level I can reach the bare-faced liars who, day in and day out, lie to innocent children about Santa, god, devil and angels.

    Read these words of God for you and get that devil out of your life.

  5. Vj ~ Is this the same god who created Cain to have sex with his own sister, and then murdered his only brother; glorified adulterers and murderers as prophets; and himself murdered innocent men women and children by flood, famine, plagues, fire and brimstone? Seems to me your god does the same work as the devil. Perhaps they are both likely the same person.

    nothing will harm you. (NIV)

  6. Vj ~ So why so many Christians are begging to die?

    These words are like balm to your soul. Let them go in and take away all the anger, grief, fear and emptiness that constantly aggravate you.

  7. Vj ~ Judging by the actions of a thug (god's anger and frustration), it seems his soul needs it more than I do.

    And mostly remember we all love you with the love of God. And He loves you so much more.

  8. Vj ~ Anyone, who cannot answer a rational question when asked of one's religion, has a skull full of manure and can never love oneself, much less others.

    P.S.
    If salvation is only possible through Christ, what would happen to those in remote regions who never heard of Christ? Seems you (and your Christ's love) is only for those you come to know and never the unknown. Isn't this rather selfish of two people, who proclaim love for all?

    Elementary my dear Watson, Every person is given a revelation of who Christ is because God is pure justice,

  9. Vj ~ If its elementary then Billy Graham who was interviewed twice, about twenty years ago by David Frost and recently Larry King, is a dunce. Both times his answers were that he didn't know and when he gets to heaven he will seek the answer. But it shows that both of you are dunces since God neither makes revelation personally to every individual nor does He to those who gets to heaven. What good is it to know when one is already in heaven? Besides why do we need the New Testament if this idiot of a god makes personal revelation to everyone?

    and for the one who said let there be light and lo and behold there was the sun, it would be kid stuff to reveal Himself to those you speak of.

  10. Vj ~ May be kid stuff, but that means he would have to make himself a complete idiot to make a revelation to a jackass like you with no brains at all .

    You see VJ every one will make that choice between God and satan.

  11. Vj ~ How can a sensible person make such a choice when Satan only exists only in the minds of idiots?

    You really should wake up VJ and learn to have some respect for yourself.

  12. Vj ~ I do, how else I know you have pure manure for brains?

    Don't you know that those things you say about other people are only the things you see in yourself.

  13. Vj ~ So are you saying that all psychiatrists are lunatics?

    After you ask God to forgive you, learn to forgive yourself.

  14. Vj ~ God does not forgive - ignorance of the law is no excuse - what you sow that will you reap, no less and no more. This is call justice dispensed by the one true, Just and Merciful God. Those who are inflicted with pain and sufferings, due to unrighteousness (Christianity), are proofs of His justice.
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Hello MIKE_BRUCE3 - July 19, 2000
    VJ, God rewards for the service that a Christian performs out of love for his Savior.
  1. Vj ~ And what about those in remote regions who have never heard of this savior? It is an injustice to only give rewards to only those who have heard of him.

    This passage in no way implies a reward of heaven for works.

  2. Vj ~ What other rewards are there?

    Also, many Christians that I know go through terrible hardships, but have REAL joy and happines because of Christ.

  3. Vj ~ You cannot deny that many Hindus, Muslims, Buddhists, etc. suffer also and yet like Christians can brag of "REAL joy and happiness" because of Krishna, Mohammad, Buddha respectively and therefore, would have no need for your Christ as you would have no need for theirs. The Pope, Billy Graham, etc. are suffering from painful incurable diseases - I can't see how these hypocrites can enjoy happiness in such a state.

    YOU, on the other hand, seem to have no happiness whatsoever, because of your constant blasphemy of the One that created you.

  4. Vj ~ It is he (your god) who can be blasphemed that experiences unhappiness and he who is not happy cannot bring happiness to those who follow.

    You need peace.

  5. Vj ~ You need a God that cannot be blasphemed.

    Why don't you just give in? Mike

  6. Vj ~ And become weak and to be protected by a weaker Christian god who spontaneously grows into rage and anger.

    Hello Jewelled-Spirit - July 22, 2000
    Mike: "Open your eyes! The unreflecting belief your religion requires should be alarming to you."

  7. Vj ~ The terror of constant brainwashing indeed spells hopelessness for billions. But what amazes me very much is, how is it possible for those of very high academic learning to lend such unwavering support to a false doctrine in the same way as those with little or no learning at all?
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Hello Pvaaunle - July 23, 2000
    VJ I see you still have that diarrheoa, and it is so obvious that every time some one speaks truth to you it sets it off.
  1. Vj ~ ~ It could also mean that you cannot help thinking of "diarrheoa" because of all the manure in your head.

    Why don't you really examine what you write on this board.

  2. Vj ~ Another reason I know that you have so much shit in your head

    You are like a spoiled brat.

  3. Vj ~ Nothing new at all when you worship them - your spoiled brat of god seducing Sarah and Mary; spoiled brat Abraham, seducing his housemaid Hagar; spoiled brat Lot, seducing his own daughters; and spoiled brats Solomon and David, seducing hoards of concubines. Better yet, they are all sitting next to god in heaven. A god surrounded by brats, sounds good for those who think they can feast on lust and sensualism and still be rewarded with heaven.

    There is no wisdom what so ever in the responses you give yet you would have us believe you are an adult with the ability to reason?

  4. Vj ~ How would you know what is reasoning, much less wisdom, with all the shit in your head? They are not compatible.

    There are people here who are trying to help you, read what they say and meditate over it.

  5. Vj ~ I tried, but I couldn't bring myself to have sex with my sisters (Cain) or my daughters (Lot) or my housemaid (Abraham).

    If you must reply negatively try to do it in some semblance of an adult attitude.

  6. Vj ~ I did, the immoral actions of Abraham, Noah, Lot, Moses, David and Solomon were all of "adult attitude".

    Why belittle yourself so.

  7. Vj ~ Talking of belittling myself, what about these guys - Abraham throwing a pregnant woman out of his tent, Reuben sleeping with his father's wife, Simeon and Levi destroying an entire city because their sister was dating the mayor's kid, Judah sleeping with his daughter-in-law, Abraham and Isaac both pimping out their wives as sisters. Heroes of righteousness or scums of the earth?

    You are a child of God and He loves you and if you don't know any better He will gladly teach you.

  8. Vj ~ Actually your god is no teacher since no one need to be taught how to rape, murder, commit adultery and incest, etc. So how, or what can you teach me?

    You are not impressing any one,

  9. Vj ~ I know, who would be impressed after being diagnosed with manure in the head?

    only making us feel sorry for you and your inability to communicate on an adult level.

  10. Vj ~ Since the subject is related to the Bible, then its vulgar and obscene contents must be questioned "on an adult level" and not me. It is truly an act of outrageous propensity for Christians to condone such filth as a revelation from an All-pure God while reproaching rational minds of the opposite.

    Hello Pvaaunle - July 24, 2000
    VJ
    If you get as thirsty as that richman who asked the beggar to dip his finger in the water and touch it to his lips,

  11. Vj ~ It is the beggars who needs the rich and not the other way round. Your philosophy is rotten and unrealistic for no sensible man would have the dirty hands of a beggar in his mouth.

    you should at least try to stay on some kind of speaking terms with one who is going to be in the cool place.

  12. Vj ~ And how do you know that I am not already in a cool place?

    Could be Jesus might allow some one to give you a taste.

  13. Vj ~ Sure, the Pope (Parkinson's), Billy Graham (prostrate cancer), Pastor John Wesley (stroke) are already having a taste of their own painful circumstances because of Jesus. Good luck to you too when your time comes.
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Hello MIKE_BRUCE3 - July 24, 2000
    VJ, you speak so loudly of a God that you don't even know.
  1. Vj ~ How else would you hear when the human waste in your head is clogging up your ears? And I trying to tell you that he is not God.

    Most people need to know about someone before they start ridiculing them.

  2. Vj ~ If it is "most people" how come I am the only one doing it? It shows most people cannot do it because they are as bad or even worst than those being ridiculed.

    What's your problem?

  3. Vj ~ Funny that one who has all shit in his head is asking such a question.

    Oh...the rewards? Having the ability to be patient with people who deny the truth. Mike

  4. Vj ~ The truth that your god, Abraham, Lot, David, Solomon, etc. are all sex maniacs and produced bastards as prophets. Have you, like them, had sex with your sisters, your daughters or your housemaids yet or a concubine on the side?

    Hello Pvaaunle - July 25, 2000
    VJ This is where your eastern religion will take you.

  5. Vj ~ Hinduism also have a lot of dead who came back to life that can tell you where Christianity will take you also. It is the power of good reasoning, and not shit in the head, that decides where a soul goes.

    Vj ~And how do you know that I am not already in a cool place?
    No brainer here, all one has to do is read your responses to see how miserable you are.

  6. Vj ~ Still in better shape than one who had a shot-gun to the head. It would have been better to blow your head off then, than to live the rest of your life with it contaminated with horse-manure (the Bible).

    But take heart we still love you and will continue to pray for you

  7. Vj ~ How long does it take for the prayers to be effective? One would think such prayers directed at a cure for the Pope (Parkinson's), Billy Graham (cancer) and Pastor Wesley (stroke) would have worked already.

    VJ, Yes raised them from the dead to everlasting torment. but those who trust God to everlasting life with Him.

  8. Vj ~ "Eternal" means "that which has no beginning and no ending" and according to Christianity the soul was created, it therefore has a beginning. An All-wise and All-perfect God can never breach his own attributes or laws just because a fool doesn't know any better. I really cannot make it any simpler than this and if you can't get it, it must be because of all that filth in your head.
    It is not only what the Bible, Torrah, Q'uran, Zend Avesta, Gita, Vedas or Grantha says that can be held as true, but what must be in conformity with natural laws. There is no such thing as "everlasting" torment or happiness. Finite actions can never reap infinite rewards.

    Hello Pvaaunle - July 28, 2000
    I told Dr. Jesus about your problem with Diarrhea and I showed Him these names so He gave me the diagnosis of your problem.

  9. Vj ~ I doubt whether Jesus who suffered with diarrhea at the cross can offer a relief much less a cure.

    Torrah, Q'uran, Zend Avesta, Gita, Vedas or Grantha. Each one of the above names are the names of germs that have crawled up through your anus on up through your digestive tract and into your eyes and walked all over the retina and lenses of your eyes then proceeded on up into your brain to reside there.

  10. Vj ~ You could be right about this one and since the god of Torrah is source of the Bible, Q'uran, etc., it would not be difficult to figure out where all the filth came from.

    and it has become almost impossible for you to speak anything but shit. The name of the disease you have is called "Ass-to-eyetis.

  11. Vj ~ I "speaking anything but shit" is really not that bad as you literally having all filth in the head. The Bible, the source of all that filth cannot be the way out.

    But don't worry VJ THE LORD JESUS is still in the healing business.

  12. Vj ~ Tell that to the Pope (Parkinson's, Billy Graham (cancer)and Pastor Dr. John Wesley (stroke).

    He has prescribed for you a good dose of ten chapters a day of BIBLE reading with the help of THE HOLY SPIRIT to help you apply the word to your life and then complete rest in His trustworthiness and you will be fit as a fiddle in no time.

  13. Vj ~ Could it be that I am right, the Pope, Billy Graham and Pastor John are perhaps reading too many chapters and this causes more filth in the brain? The Bible is the cause of all diseases the more you read it the more the head becomes all filth which forces the brain to think like the backside, absolutely useless.

    All of us who love you and desire to see your salvation will add our prayer which will give the medicine extra power. Get well soon.

  14. Vj ~ More waste is filth power. It makes perfect sense since manure or no manure in the head makes no difference in getting a Christian to heaven. No wonder Christians despise constructive criticism.
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Hello MIKE_BRUCE3 - July 28, 2000
    May God have mercy on you Vj.
  1. Vj ~ "Father why hast thou forsaken me?" - your god had no mercy for his own son, why should I or anyone else expect him to have mercy on me?

    VJ, it is not always God's will to heal all people.

  2. Vj ~ What an injustice? How closer can one get to Christ when even the incurable diseased-Pope is not on his list?

    Sometimes there are reasons that people go through pain....like to draw them even CLOSER to their great Creator. Sometimes He heals, sometimes He doesn't.

  3. Vj ~ Perhaps, but if this god cannot make known his reasons for favoring some over the others, then he is neither merciful nor compassionate.

    But it is always His will to heal a troubled and lost soul.

  4. Vj ~ He should be since it is his fault that souls become troubled and and lost when he gives no reason why he heal some and not others.

    Only, your will and His have to meet on this matter. THAT is called free will.

  5. Vj ~ Your head is full of shit also, hasn't the diseased Pope's free will and his met yet on the matter of healing?

    You have a free will to reject God. Your choice. But remember, every choice has its own special consequence.

  6. Vj ~ I know, your choice is rewarded with a head full of shit.

    Rejection of Christ calls for eternity in hell.

  7. Vj ~ How many times I have tell you nut-head, eternal hell is a breach to natural laws - finite actions cannot reap eternal rewards. Even our system of justice does not sentence a man to die for stealing a loaf of bread. Why would a merciful and compassionate God do it?

    The great thing about this is that we have an opportunity to accept Christ and receive salvation through Him.

  8. Vj ~ Think idiot, what opportunity do those in remote regions have for salvation through Christ when they never heard of him?

    Wouldn't it be foolish to KNOW the consequence and still be willing to suffer it?

  9. Vj ~ Then your are indeed foolish, since I am warning you of the consequences of worshipping a false god. A god that is not for everyone (those in remote regions), cannot be God.

    Talk about common sense and reason!

  10. Vj ~ You certainly have the free will to talk about it, but they (common sense and reason) have no effect on a head that is full of shit.

    With this in mind, rejecting Christ is completely senseless! Mike

  11. Vj ~ It is senseless when your head is all human waste. A bastard is "one who born out of wedlock". With this in mind it is completely senseless to accept a bastard as savior of mankind.

    Don't you agree that it's foolish to condemn yourself?

  12. Vj ~ Whoever agrees with you are also a nut-heads.

    Hello Pvaaunle - August 1, 2000
    VJ, You are so lost and don't even know it.

  13. Vj ~ So are those in remote regions who never heard of Christ, no fault of their own.

    I love what it says in THE BIBLE

  14. Vj ~ Me too, especially when he became angry and killed the fig tree. What sensible person would do something so stupid?

    how that Jesus would leave the 99 sheep to go and find the one that was lost.

  15. Vj ~ Makes no difference anyway, like the 99, the lost one would still be killed to appease the appetite. Some savior! Probably lost, the one could have stayed alive awhile longer.

    Quit trying to hide from Him.

  16. Vj ~ And be eaten like a sheep!

    Let Him Come into your heart

  17. Vj ~ I could, but I wonder how many have lost him by a simple heart transplant.

    and take out all the hate, envy, jealousy and fear.

  18. Vj ~ Why would I have "envy, jealousy and fear" for those (Christians) with heads full of manure?
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Hello Pvaaunle - August 2, 2000
    I love what it says in THE BIBLE
  1. Vj ~ Love having sex with your children (lot), love having sex with your housemaid (Abraham), love committing murder (Moses), love having concubines (Solomon and David). Oh! what love when the head is all shit.

    Vj ~Me too, especially when he became angry and killed the fig tree. What sensible person would do something so stupid?
    We already knew that you loved stupidity but confession is good for the soul.

  2. Vj ~ Stupidity is only a minor problem but think of how mass murderers like Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot, and not to mention adulterers and polygamists and those who committed incest, must be very pleased with such a religion.

    I would however add a word of caution. By confessing your stupidity you are making the god satan mad because he is afraid that he might lose you

  3. Vj ~ Why would Satan be mad or afraid to lose me, when he knows he does not have to work to convert anyone but still have 4 billion followers?

    Get smart get a new heart from Jesus who loves you so much.

  4. Vj ~ Any heart from Jesus is dead one, no wonder Christians are acting like the living dead. JS needs a new ceiling I am quite sure Jesus would have no problem with that, except that JS would not fall for brainwashing of any sort, like the poor and hungry Africans are, after they are fed a few biscuits from Jesus.

    Hello MIKE_BRUCE3 - August 2, 2000
    VJ, very poor answers.

  5. Vj ~ I know, it is of no use to put good ones into heads, full of horse-manure.

    I think the truth has left you with nothing intelligent to say. Mike

  6. Vj ~ Blame it on the Bible, being vulgar nothing sensible appeals to Christians as shit does.

    Hello Satanschild3 - August 3, 2000
    Hey Singh - FUCK YOU!!!

  7. Vj ~ My salutations to you too my friend.

    I'm coming for you where you will reap what you have sown...

  8. Vj ~ Better hurry up before I repent.

    Hot down here today...REALLY HOT!!

  9. Vj ~ I doubt it since heat always tend to rise.

    I'm so glad you're one of my minions.

  10. Vj ~ That is indeed my mission to make even fools glad.

    Come my child singh. You are due to pay me homage which I await.

  11. Vj ~ At one time you are "coming" for me and at another you "await" me. Well, typical of idiots, they never know if they are coming or going.
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Hello MIKE_BRUCE3 - August 4, 2000
    VJ, AGAIN, VERY POOR ANSWER.
  1. Vj ~ It simply means there is still shit in your head.

    WITH NOTHING TO SAY, YOU SAY NOTHING VERY WELL.

  2. Vj ~ How could it be "very well" when you have only shit in your head Mike?

    As far as you condemning people in the Bible for sin, the message in the Bible is FORGIVENESS for sin, not PERFECTION.

  3. Vj ~ Sorry mate, I don't want to be in a heaven with Abraham (adultery, Lot (incest) Moses, Hitler, Pol Pot, Stalin, Wayne Casey, Ted Bundy or the likes of a Jeffrey Dahmmer (serial killers), and a god who murdered all the first born of Egypt.

    Heart is what God is looking for: a heart for HIM, not perfection.

  4. Vj ~ If he is looking for the heart only, then Christians are nothing but vampires awaiting a stake from your God-vampire-destroyer.

    God loves to forgive...why don't you let Him forgive YOU. Mike

  5. Vj ~ No one sensible can trust a God who couldn't forgive those he drowned (Noah's flood), burnt alive (Sodom), the first born of Egypt and 70, 000 he slaughtered in Israel.

    Hello xianzebala - August 4, 2000
    The origin of incest in the Vedic Vedas Holy Scriptures: References `The Sacrament of Marriage in Hindu Society', U.M.Apte, Ajanta Publishers 1978 Delhi Dipak, Feb. 8, 2000

  6. Vj ~ While it is necessary to point out the irrationality that exists in Hinduism or any other religion, it is imperative that your religion be free of it. Allah and his illiterate sex-maniac pedophilic prophet Muhammad were not such examples of good character and intellect either and as such you are only making yourself a complete idiot. What am I saying, you are already one.

    Hello Pvaaunle - August 5, 2000
    Sing I missed one of those germs that crawled thru you.

  7. Vj ~ I don't see how it was possible for you to miss it when you just quoted 7 verses of it to JS.

    Now I know why you only have two responses. sex & shit

  8. Vj ~ You probably knew it from the very first time you read the Bible - I am only reminding you that the Bible has nothing else but, "sex and manure" (for the brain).

    16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

  9. Vj ~ Is it the same 'loving' God that drowned the whole world except Noah, his family and two of all living creatures?

    Hello MIKE_BRUCE3 - August 6, 2000
    Vj, just so I can say something that we both could PROBABLY agree on, common sense is not at all COMMON anymore.

  10. Vj ~ I agree my friend, and it all got worst since 2000 years ago.

    As a matter of fact, sense is uncommon. We should start calling it uncommon sense

  11. Vj ~ Exactly, I call it the bible.

    Look at the idiots in this world (no offense.) Mike

  12. Vj ~ Not to mention the biggest idiot, born of a virgin and resurrected after crucifixion, both cases, a breach to natural laws.
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Hello Pvaaunle - August 6, 2000
    Some of your favorite food
  1. Vj ~ Some food, in spite of it, Africa is dying.

    16 A wise man feareth, and departeth from evil: but the fool rageth, and is confident. (KJV)

  2. Vj ~ First of all, a wise man is fearless because he knows and has confidence in what he knows, it is fools who “feareth” and “rageth” because they are always in doubt.
    Quite typical of a shit-head, after you have quoted the whole bible, my guess is that you would have nothing more to say.

    Hello MIKE_BRUCE3 - August 6, 2000
    Hello VJ, you seem to think that I am a fool. Correct!

  3. Vj ~ Wrong! I don't "seem to think" you are a fool, I KNOW!

    I am a fool for Christ's sake.

  4. Vj ~ "What a man sow that will he reap, no more and no less". Christ will be held responsible for his own foolishness and you, your own.

    You should only be so foolish. Like I said: common sense is not at all common anymore. Mike

  5. Vj ~ Very true, especially for those who put their faith in a book as irrational and vulgar as the Bible. What sensible person with a little common sense would await the return of a man who died yesterday, much less one 2,000 years ago? More so, before and after Christ no one came back to life which means the evidence that Christ or anyone else coming back to life is impossible.

    ALL Christians on this board: we need to leave this guy alone.

  6. Vj ~ Not if they really know that I am here to save them from further pain and misery. Any religion (virgin birth, resurrection, etc.) that breaches the immutable laws of nature is false and therefore leads to the worship of nothing else but a false god.

    The only thing that we're doing is making his punishment in hell greater by giving him another opportunity to blaspheme God.

  7. Vj ~ The one true omniscient and omnipotent God cannot be blasphemed, it is the ignorant who propagate such a belief in a weak and false god. Whether I do it publicly by open discussions with Christians or privately it wouldn't matter because God knows all.

    If we leave him alone, his punishment will not increase.

  8. Vj ~ Very true, but yours will.

    That's what I'm going to do. God bless your ministries. Mike

  9. Vj ~ Maybe some day in some other world (life) and after much pain and suffering, you will come to realize the truth. Until then good luck.
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Hello Taylors_2 - August 7, 2000
    Here’s the simple, short answer to this question. The God of the Bible created humanity for the specific purpose of enjoying and glorifying Himself.
  1. Vj ~ Well then, if God is eternal why only 6,000 years ago (Biblical age) He decided to seek enjoyment and glorification for himself?

    To this end, He created many different types of people, each with a specific purpose, the end product of which is exactly what He desires.

  2. Vj ~ Some filthy rich and some filthy poor; some ugly and some beautiful/handsome; some healthy and some sickly; some dunces and some brilliant; some fat and some skinny; some black and some white; some righteous and some wicked; and some Christians and others non-Christians will certainly leave many to question the "desires" of a compassionate and merciful god.

    Hence, I’ll simply state this: The ‘same’ reward given to the fool and the wise man has nothing to do with their abilities, nor their personalities.

  3. Vj ~ Then not only you are an idiot, but your god also. Ability determines success and failure of many and if an illiterate (idiot) is given a medical degree on the grounds of compassion, he will not only destroy himself, but those he comes in contact with. Furthermore, the one who awarded the degree can be nothing else but a complete fool to do so. I hope for you soul's sake that your god is at least as intelligent as the chancellor of a university.

    What gets God’s attention is this, pure and simple: Christ

  4. Vj ~ So "pure and simple" weren't he interested in "attention" before 2000 years ago?

    The truth is that salvation is based upon the work of Christ on behalf of fools.

  5. Vj ~ Then your heaven will be no different from hell as fools will be everywhere and wherever there are fools there are unrests.

    As Christ himself said, “only the sick need a doctor.”

  6. Vj ~ Actually he is saying that one must be sick to become a Christian, as he is the doctor.

    Hello Taylors 2 - August 8, 2000
    Put it this way - it is very easy to call someone a fool - more difficult to prove it. Opinion is never the equivalent of truth

  7. Vj ~ It is firm with the wise who is a fool, but impossible to prove it to a fool.

    Vj ~Actually he is saying that one must be sick to become a Christian, as he is the doctor.
    Exactly, and I’m glad there is such a doctor

  8. Vj ~ Then it is not "difficult to prove" you a fool since only a fool is glad to be sick.

    Thanks for the thought provoking work!

  9. Vj ~ Here is more!

    Hello Starfire98 - August 9, 2000
    Singh, those are your views,

  10. Vj ~ It should be more than mere views since they are in harmony with reasoning, science and conforms with natural laws.

    and even if I don't agree,

  11. Vj ~ If you disagree it either means you are ignorant or my views are false, which you are yet to disprove within reason.

    I respect them. Peace.

  12. Vj ~ Either way, what is false does not deserve respect and what is true deservedly cannot be respected by the ignorant.
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Hello Taylors_2 - August 9, 2000
    Vj ~Actually he is saying that one must be sick to become a Christian, as he is the doctor.
    David: Exactly, and I’m glad there is such a doctor.
    Vj ~ Then it is not "difficult to prove" you a fool since only a fool is glad in sickness.
    I never claimed to be glad I was sick.
  1. Vj ~ How else you could have gladly seek the doctor (Christ)?

    I am glad I found I was and that there was actually someone who could cure it.

  2. Vj ~ Then you weren't glad either before the sickness, since you gladly found him during the sickness. Therefore, you must be glad that you were sick.

    A fool is a sick one who won’t listen to the doctor, and chooses to believe that sickness is health and wants to remain that way.

  3. Vj ~ A fool is one who needs a doctor, because he/she was foolish enough in the first place to get sick. One who is never sick and never needs a doctor is the one to be called sensible (wise).

    Hello PaulaGem - August 10, 2000
    re: The title of this board.

  4. Vj ~ I know it hardly makes any sense to a fool.

    It amazes me how long singh has been working on this project. He has proven LONG AGO that no matter how hard one tries, a fool is not able to make a fool out of God.

  5. Vj ~ You already did, the belief that Christ is the way to salvation leaves everyone else going to hell, even those who never heard of him.

    Why don't you give it up singh? The only one that ends up looking foolish here is you.

  6. Vj ~ If I am the one "looking foolish here" you 'sensible-salvation-goers' should be enjoying it. Besides, why would I want to give up when I am having so much fun making myself 'foolish'?

    Hello Taylors_2 - August 10, 2000
    David: I never claimed to be glad I was sick.
    Vj ~ Why else you could have gladly seek the doctor (Christ)?
    Most likely, if you actually put a little thought into the process here, you’d be able to reason through some of these things without slamming your toe in the door all the time. A hungry person is glad when they find food.

  7. Vj ~ The point being made, is that one must be sick to find a doctor (Christ). And most certainly one must be glad to that one was sick how else one would have found Christ. As in the case of hunger, it brings out the best taste in food which one must be glad that one was hungry.

    If a person is blind, no manner of denial will change the fact. If a person is deaf, the same stands.

  8. Vj ~ It still stands that one had to do something foolish to be born blind or deaf, if not your god is foolish to punish them for no fault of their own.

    A fool is a person who denies truth.

  9. Vj ~ Who else do you know that would deny truth? The question is, how do you know that you are not the "fool" denying truth?
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Hello Taylors_2 - August 12, 2000
    If Christianity is false, then Christians are the worst of fools.
  1. Vj ~ And when you don't know whether Christianity is true or false, where does that leave you?

    Vj ~ The question is, how do you know that you are not a "fool" also, denying truth?
    Hi singhvj" While I wish to avoid any pettifoggery over whether foolishness is deliberate or not,

  2. Vj ~ Well since truth can sometimes offend, especially those who are perhaps weaker in understanding, would it still be considered a deliberate attempt of "any pettifoggery"?

    I will add that it is possible to be a fool and not know it.

  3. Vj ~ Are you one, and if not, why am I not qualified to be judge of who is?

    Hello MIKE_BRUCE3 - August 30, 2000
    Taylors 2, I'm really getting to like this board, now.

  4. Vj ~ Shows how far ahead I have been.

    You are very good with words. None of your posts end with profanity, either, which gives credibility to your answers.

  5. Vj ~ It is always that way even with me, but the sad part, is no one wants to be diagnosed a fool. So as long as a fool remains pampered with the truth always hidden, he/she is happy with "words".

    Truly, Christ changes people for the better. Mike

  6. Vj ~ If it is a Divine truth then such "changes... for the better" should have been for all depriving none.

    Hello MIKE_BRUCE3 - August 30, 2000
    VJ, I wasn't talking to you.

  7. Vj ~ And like a fool, you can't ignore me either. Wise men are impartial in disseminating truth, whether a fool wants to listen or not. It is a way (practice) for the wise to continue to grow in wisdom.

    But, I am a fool.....for Christ, the best kind of fool to be. Mike

  8. Vj ~ It is your choice Mike if your desire is to be fool, but I have a duty even though there is no cure for a fool. By the way, in my book, a fool is fool, there is neither "best" nor worst "kind". Wherever there are destitution and poverty (lowest human conditions) they point to the punishments for being foolish. So good luck being a fool!

    Hello Taylors_2 - September 1, 2000
    Vj ~ Well since truth can sometimes offend, especially those who are perhaps weaker in understanding, would it still be considered a deliberate attempt of "any pettifoggery"?
    I have no problem discussing just about any subject, and typically, truth always offends.

  9. Vj ~ Now, this would mean that you know what truth is, and from my experience one who knows the truth is wise and can never be offended.

    My point is that I don't want to get into an argument for the sake of a fight. That always seems a waste of time

  10. Vj ~ If there is a fight it is certainly not so with the wise, but on the other hand, if the argument eventually leads to the truth, then the "fight" would not have been wasted time for the wise.

    David: I will add that it is possible to be a fool and not know it.
    Vj ~ Are you one, and if not, why am I not qualified to be the judge of who is and who is not?
    Heh heh. I could be and not know it! I'm certainly not trying to be a fool deliberately.

  11. Vj ~ No one tries to be a fool deliberately but isn't it a travesty to not know whether you are one or not?

    Anyway, the only qualification I can claim is that I accept the Bible as true, and it claims that anyone who denies it's truth is a fool.

  12. Vj ~ Being an ombudsman, I really thought you were smarter than this. If "truth offends" you and the Bible is 'true' then it should offend all those that are offended by truth. But since it does not offend you, then it is logical to say that the Bible cannot be true.

    Since the Bible says that, and I accept it as true, I have to go along with what it says - either that or be doubly a fool!.

  13. Vj ~ Then are they the Hindus, Muslims, Jews, Buddhists or even myself, by your own reasoning, truly "doubly" the fools? We, also according to our own beliefs, could say that Christians are "doubly fools" and we could go back and forth because each follow a mere book.

    Here's a question, VJ Truly, Christ changes people for the better. Mike
    Vj ~ If it is a Divine truth then such "changes... for the better" should have been for all depriving none.
    Why? Who made that rule?

  14. Vj ~ The Omniscient God Himself who claims to be Just, Merciful and Compassionate to all. When Christ 'His messenger' is sent to lead all souls to Him, then those in remote regions who never heard of him would be deprived of salvation since Jesus is "...the Way, the Truth and the Life, NO ONE comes to the FATHER except through..." him. (John 14:6")
    The same would apply to those before Jesus Christ (The New Testament) and the same would apply to those before Moses (Ten Commandments). "If there is a God, who has created heaven and earth, it will be unjust on His part if He deprived Millions of souls born before Moses of His Divine Knowledge." Prof. Maxmuller - "Science of Religion"
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Hello Taylors2 - September 3, 2000.
    Now, this would mean that you know what truth is, and from my experience one who knows the truth is wise and can never be offended.
    Ok. Would it also be safe to say that there is, but for God, NO one who knows ALL the truth,
  1. Vj ~ If this is what the Bible say, then your God is selfish. Since he is already All-wise, what good would knowing "ALL the truth" do for him, if it is not for the benefit of those who don't have it?

    and therefore there is always a chance that a true statement might offend anyone, regardless of how much of the rest of truth that person may contain?

  2. Vj ~ Then the greatest of all offenders of the weak will be God since he alone knows "All the truth". So when you are offended by my truth, I am a scoundrel, but your God is still God, why?

    I will never make the claim that I am wise - without qualification, nor that I know the truth - without qualification.

  3. Vj ~ There must be a method or system where one can be qualified to claim they are wise, otherwise how would one know if God is wise or not? To say God is wise just because he is God does not make sense, since many of opposing faiths blindly make the same assertion.

    That qualification - that I am not God and therefore not omniscient. You make a blatant logical error in your above statement.

  4. Vj ~ I am asking the questions and you are giving the answers, if there are "blatant logical" errors, it is yours, not mine.

    There is a BIG difference between knowing WHAT truth is, and KNOWING the truth.

  5. Vj ~ The biggest difference, is, when you don't know either.

    David: My point is that I don't want to get into an argument for the sake of a fight. That always seems a waste of time·
    Vj ~ If there is a fight it is certainly not so with the wise, but on the other hand, if the argument eventually leads to the truth, then the "fight" would not have been wasted time. It is called critical thinking, without it truth can never be ascertained.
    Fighting for the sake of fighting means that the ‘point’ of the fight is simply to disagree with the opponent. That is not the same as a true argument, in which points are clarified with the goal of reaching some sort of understanding between parties.

  6. Vj ~ Aren't we doing just that or do you think it is just an unnecessary fight?

    Anyway, the only qualification I can claim is that I accept the Bible as true, and it claims that anyone who denies it's truth is a fool.
    Being an ombudsman, I really thought you were smarter than this. If "truth offends" you and the Bible is 'true' then it should offend all those that are offended by truth. But since it does not offend you, then it is logical to say that the Bible cannot be true.
    Interesting use of logic.

  7. Vj ~ Think about it for moment, if you find the use of logic that interesting, why not apply it to analyzing the 'truth' of the Bible.

    It carries with it the idea that if a person believes the Bible to be true, nothing it says can offend the person.

  8. Vj ~ Not really, if the Bible is truth, then everything it says, should offend you because "truth always offend" you.

    Apples and oranges. For example - if I refused to bath, and the truth was that I stink, I could still be offended that someone might point out that particular truth.

  9. Vj ~ Not if the “someone” also stinks! In this case you would perhaps know the stink is because you didn't bathe, but in the case of the Bible, you are offended even though you don't know what is or not consisted of truth.

    Here is your argument:
    (1) Truth is that which offends me.
    (2) I am not offended by the Bible
    (3) Therefore the Bible is not true.

    Here is my counter-argument. (1) The Bible is true. (2) I am sometimes offended by the truth. (3) Therefore I am sometimes offended by what the Bible says

  10. Vj ~ Then the bible is not all truth and wherever there is truth it offends you. The bind you are in now, is what portion do you consider to be true?

    Note that neither argument takes into account the idea that a person’s view can change. In particular, when a person grows as a Christian through time, less and less of the Bible offends, because that person comes to understand and accept more and more truth.

  11. Vj ~ So truth is not the problem, it is you!

    David: Since the Bible says that, and I accept it as true, I have to go along with what it says - either that or be doubly a fool!.
    Vj ~ Then are they the Hindus, Muslims, Jews, Buddhists or even myself, by your own reasoning, truly "doubly" the fools?

    I can only make that claim about myself. If the Bible is true,

  12. Vj ~ If the Bible is true by your claim, then all other religions are false, if they are not, then you do have a serious problem.

    and I refuse to believe it, I am a fool. If the Bible is true, and I believe it, but refuse to act accordingly, then I am even more (i.e., doubly) a fool.

  13. Vj ~ So you would rather have the greater majority (more than 4 billion) rather than a minority (less than 2 billion) see you as "(i.e., doubly) a fool'?

    Vj ~ If it is a Divine truth then such "changes... for the better" should have been for all depriving none.
    David: Why? Who made that rule?
    Vj ~ The Omniscient God Himself who claims to be Just to all.
    The concept of justice does not require that all criminals be made good.

  14. Vj ~ I didn't say that, God created all and gave us instructions. Whatever one does with one's life is one's own doing not God, but in the end one is subject to His justice. Ignorance is no excuse for breaching our own laws and the same it is with God's.

    In fact, it has nothing to do with changing for the better.

  15. Vj ~ Punishment is always a deterrent to committing further crimes, if it does not make one better, it at least prevent those who would want to, from doing it.

    Justice for all means to give all exactly what they deserve.

  16. Vj ~ You have taken a strike against you own ‘truth’ of the Bible when it comes to forgiveness. Likewise God being impartial (merciful and compassionate) can neither forgive sins nor deprive any one (even those in remote regions) of His instructions (revelation) nor at the same time justly punish or reward them .

    If all men are sinners, then all men deserve whatever reward sinfulness earns. If there is one who is NOT a sinner, then such a one deserves whatever reward lack of sin has earned.

  17. Vj ~ You must have not only one screw loose in your head but several. When your 'true' Bible grants forgiveness, repentance and redemption, how can "all men deserve whatever reward sinfulness earns"?

    That does not answer the question, “Why must the Divine change all men for the better?”

  18. Vj ~ It is perhaps your "answer" because I never asked the "question".

    When Christ 'His messenger' is sent to lead all souls to Him, then those in remote regions who never heard of him would be deprived of salvation since Jesus is "...the Way, the Truth and the Life, NO ONE comes to the FATHER except through..." him. (John 14:6")
    You are correct, there is no salvation, except through Christ, and that salvation only comes through hearing the message about Him. Hence, anyone who does not hear that message is not saved. However, this does not infer that they are ‘innocent’ and lost.

  19. Vj ~ As far as reasoning goes with the above quote, there is actually no middle course, they are either saved through Christ or lost. Is it justice to condemn them to eternal hell of fire for no fault of their own?

    All men are sinners. God chooses to save some, not all. That is the perogative of any ruler - hence the concept of ‘mercy’. Mercy is not an obligatory requirement of rulers. It is an optional choice dependent upon the will of the ruler. Even the definition of PERFECT does not include the connotation of “mercy for all”. It does for the concept of Justice. ALL deserve what they have earned. No one earns mercy.

  20. Vj ~ It seems you are the one that is lost, since it is unjust for even a ruler to dispense justice on those in a land (remote) where his laws do not apply. It is not justice when "God chooses to save some, not all". How can it be God's choice, when one must reap what one sows? If you chose to be wicked, you have already made your choice and God has no other choice but to act accordingly in dispensing justice.

    Vj ~ The same would apply to those before Jesus Christ (The New Testament) and the same would apply to those before Moses (Ten Commandments).
    Absolutely true, the concept of justice requires that all men, regardless of where or when they live, be judged in such a way as to receive exactly what is due.

  21. Vj ~ Your brain is lazy. It needs to do some thinking by way of reasoning. No wonder you only believe and never want to understand it. Your God is guilty of many injustices, one by depriving those before Moses of the Ten Commandments. Had he revealed it in the very beginning, it would have perhaps prevented men from becoming that sinful and avoided the drowning (flood of Noah's time) of all civilization? And if you argue that men are still wicked in spite of it, then why aren't we all dead yet?

    Vj ~"If there is a God, who has created heaven and earth, it will be unjust on His part if He deprived Millions of souls born before Moses of His Divine Knowledge." Prof. Maxmuller - "Science of Religion"
    Partially true, mostly false. God has NEVER given His Divine knowledge to men, although He has given some of it. No one but God has all divine knowledge.

  22. Vj ~ The professor meant the "Ten Commandments". Again if God is not willing to give his "Divine knowledge to men" so that they can become as wise as him, what good is it to him? Isn't it the "truth (Divine Knowledge) that will set us free"?

    Hence, the Prof’s statement implies too much. If he has said, “It would be unjust of God to deprived of souls millions (or even one soul) before Moses of a knowledge of wrong and right, and a concept of true justice,” he would be correct. All mankind has that - inherent - because of its relationship to the Creator. We are moral beings. There are no innocents.

  23. Vj ~ You haven't noticed it yet, but you have done a good job of making yourself a complete idiot. Well, if you had doubts before whether you are a fool or not, you shouldn't have any now. No wonder it didn't surprise you that the Professor is wiser than your god. In the first place there wouldn't be anyone around to be deprived, if they were deprived of souls. It is not God's place to deprive any, whether it be millions or one, of souls and/or knowledge; and since those before Moses were deprived of the Ten commandments, as those in remote regions deprived of Christ, your god is not the true god but a false one.
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Hello Peace_Ezine - September 4, 2000
    you will not have time to repent when you stand before judgment seat.
  1. Vj ~ If the day of Judgment is somewhere in the end, so how would you or any other Christian know if there is time or not?

    I never heard any person repents standing before judge and escaping.

  2. Vj ~ Now apply the same reasoning to a Just God where a man reaps only what he sowed, no more and no less. There is no such thing as forgiveness of sins. And like our system where justice is dispensed everyday, the same is with God’s.

    You stand before judge to give account for what you have done that's it.

  3. Vj ~ Very true, so forget about repenting before God, the greatest judge of all judges.

    And since every person in the world is a sinner they will give account.

  4. Vj ~ Why do they have do that if God is Ominiscient, knower of all things - past, present and the future? Criminals give account of their crimes before a judge, because our judges are humans and don't know anymore than the evidences given.

    And will be held accountable unless they receive the free gift of eternal life from God through Jesus Christ.

  5. Vj ~ There is no such thing as a free gift (free pass), not to mention those in remote regions who have never heard of Christ. There is absolutely no compromise when it comes to dispensing justice otherwise God would be unjust. Finite actions cannot reap eternal rewards or punishments. The Bible is a breach to natural laws and therefore, all religions based on it are false.

    Hello Peace_Ezine - September 6, 2000
    Good question

  6. Vj ~ Dumb answer!

    How we know if there is time or not. Answer is very simple. If God is just then He should punish the guilty.

  7. Vj ~ If your god is just why must those in the beginning lie in their graves for thousands of years until judgment day (end) when those at the end will be judged on the same day?

    If He does not punish the guilty then He himself becomes guilty of closing His eyes on sin.

  8. Vj ~ And isn’t he closing his eyes to sins by granting forgiveness also? Our legal system punishes the guilty also, but it is done everyday, not on one special day, so why must a Just God wait for one day in the end to dispense justice?

    It will be judgment day not forgiveness day. If you ask forgiveness and straightens out your life right here you have hope otherwise you do not have hope.

  9. Vj ~ Even if it is forgiveness day, it is an injustice, since men guilty of atrocities, mass murder, adultery, rape, etc. can escape punishment for such crimes by it. In our own system there is no forgiveness for these crimes, why would a Just God look the other way?

    Do you think you can fool God by doing what ever you want to do right now and then at the end go are shed some crocodile tears and escape? God is not fool

  10. Vj ~ Your god is the fool, because many of these criminals are repenting right now for salvation later instead of punishment. This kind of philosophy (Biblical) cannot deter men from committing sinful crimes, since they can get away with it by forgiveness.

    forgiveness does not make God unjust if a person has truly turned his/her life from evil ways.

  11. Vj ~ Won't it make our legal system a joke (unjust) if all criminals were set free because they have "truly turned" their lives? As a matter of fact, if it were so, many who are not criminals would even be tempted to commit crimes.

    Because Jesus paid the price already.

  12. Vj ~ So why are so many Christians beginning with the Pope (Parkinson's), Billy Graham (prostrate cancer), Pastor John Wesley (stroke), etc. are suffering from painful diseases if Christ paid the price already? What kind of god would punished one because of the rest of sinful souls? You need a brain that works, if you must know what is truth.

    Now you stat that there is no forgiveness not true, just your opinion.

  13. Vj ~ It is an opinion that is in harmony with reasoning and conforms with the attributes of an Omniscient God. Yours is based on a belief that is a travesty to simple common sense and in complete violation of the Divine immutable laws of nature. If there is such a thing as forgiveness of sins then some one is liar - "And then he shall reward every man according to his works." Matt14: 27.

    Millions around the world are receiving forgiveness from Lord Jesus Christ.

  14. Vj ~ Jesus was man (flesh and blood), he is dead and gone like any other human being. The dead cannot come back to life nor do they still exist in any other world. It is a law - whatever is born must die. Besides, the Pope, Billy Graham, Pastor John are all suffering right now in spite of forgiveness.

    After receiving forgiveness they are living a Holy Life.

  15. Vj ~ "Holy" or righteous life means one must be free from pain and misery, such is not the case with Christians. Since those living unholy lives are suffering, it simply shows that Bible is far being a holy book. How could it when your prophets are mostly guilty of incest, adultery and murder?

    You cannot refute the facts with reasoning, can you?

  16. Vj ~ An All-perfect God creating one man and woman so that their children can co-habit (incest) is neither fact nor is it anything close to reasoning.

    when you try to refute facts with reasoning that becomes excuses nothing else.

  17. Vj ~ "facts" and "reasoning" is for the brainwashed brainless gullible and like so many other religions they cannot stand the test of time.
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"Just as color cannot be perceived by ears, nor sound by eyes; in like manner, the Eternal Supreme Spirit is not perceptible to the senses. He can only be seen by a pure soul through the purity of heart, acquisition of knowledge and the practice of yoga. Just as one cannot reap the advantages of knowledge without acquiring it, likewise the Supreme Spirit cannot be seen without the practice of yoga and gaining the highest knowledge." The Light of Truth
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