Discourses with Arya Samajees.
Part VIII

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Dialogue 1
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Reply to: Dave Sharma on Tue, 28 Sep 2004
Dear Mr Singh,
I am an aryan like tourself.
  • Vj ~ Hello Dave, thank you for the response. As aryas we must first try to save ourselves before others. Most of mankind are involved in trying to save the world, but little do they know it is not possible without the individual effort of saving self first.

    However i would like to now your opinion on the fact how the vedas were perverted by the brittish rulers.

  • Vj ~ The Vedas were first perverted by the Hindus themselves and made worst by the invaders (Muslims and Christians)

    Is this the reason why so many indians who claim themselves to be Hindus eat meat? Can anything be done to unpervert what the brittish did and how can this message be spread.

  • Vj ~ What can be done has already been done by Swami Dayanand. It is the trait of Kaliyug that perverted intellects will dominate the entire age and whoever has the inclination to seek the truth will be the only ones who can be free of its (Kaliyug) wrath. So my friend let us concentrate on our own effort before trying to save the Hindus.

    Dialogue 2
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    Reply to: Marcelo on Wed, 29 Sep 2004
    hello Mr Singh
    As I understand my Aryan friend seems to believe that the aryan society is perfect in every single way.
  • Vj ~ Hello Marcelo and thanks for your response. The Aryan society was a perfect society to begin with but as all things finite must decay the Aryan society was no exception. However, to the individual that continues its practice in this last age perfection can again be attainable.

    Yet I cannot understand how a society can be perfect when it is run by human beings.

  • Vj ~ First, try to understand Natural Laws where everything were once perfect/new/pure/innocent, etc. before decadence stepped in. Yes, there was once perfect people, a perfect society and a perfect world long before.

    I understand the Aryan religion may be perfect in the way it's teaching shows life behaviour, yet I have seen your bullying of other people and other religions (namely islam),

  • Vj ~ Call it what you like, but I speak the truth and if it is not so, be good enough to tell me where I have accused anyone or any religion falsely.You cannot deny that the truth does not hurt. If there is bullying, it is particularly being done mostly by Christians and Muslims.

    and i believe that a society such as the aryans can't be perfect if such a well read man as yourself does such a foolish thing.

  • Vj ~ How would you know if it is a "foolish thing" or not if you yourself are not a "well read man"? Think about it, don't we both have to be well read beings in the same matter to agree or disagree?

    jesus said that you must pray for your persecutors. Do you feel this is true?

  • Vj ~ A perfect "well read" being whom you termed an Arya, does not have persecutors. He/she is protected through out life by dharma (righteousness). In other words, we pray for prevention rather than cure. It is the unrighteous who suffer at the hands of persecutors.
    In the religion of the aryas, you cannot pray for anyone else but yourself.

    Dialogue 3
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    Reply to: Marcelo on Fri, 1 Oct 2004
    Hello,
    Your response was very interesting but I only have one question.
    I said; jesus said that you must pray for your persecutors. Do you feel this is true?
  • Vj ~ A perfect "well read" being whom you termed an Arya, does not have persecutors. He/she is protected through out life by dharma (righteousness). In other words, we pray for prevention rather than cure. It is the unrighteous who suffer at the hands of persecutors. In the religion of the aryas, you cannot pray for anyone else but yourself.

    Does this apply to all cases, serioulsy it can't.

  • Vj ~ Seriously it does with no exception at all. Truth is truth for all in all ages there is absolutely no compromise or changes to it. Wherever it was rejected or reviled it man's fault and never God's.

    India's terrible fate to muslim invaders according to you, must have therefore been Indian people's fault. Because they didn't pray enough to be protected by dharma.

  • Vj ~ The people of India abandone dharma for false dogmas and yes their pain and sufferings are their own fault. People in all walks of life never stopped praying but the question is, which God were they praying to?

    The Incaic civilizations such as Moche which existed for 1000 years in peace an perfect harmony, where destroyed by invaders. Was this also their fault for not living righteously.

  • Vj ~ If ever the innocent suffer it is an injustice, but since they all suffered at one time or the other it is justified according to the law of karma. Those who experience peace and harmony, great wealth or healthy live at one time or another are deserving of it because of some virtuous actions in their last lives. THere are no forgiveness of sins, what a man sow that will he reap, no less and no more.

    I understand your explanation for the persecution of the unrighteous, but I feel that this can't explain the above example or the extrmination of six million Jews at Nazi death camps.

  • Vj ~ How do you explain that they were in bondage (slavery) for 400 years? Judaism as the other dogmas I have condemned are all doctrines connocted by man and not God. It is the reason there are so much of pain and suffering to go around in the world today.

    Please continue to enlighten me.

  • Vj ~ Enlightenment takes two, the teacher (atruistic) and the student who is impartial and ready to make the effort.

    Dialogue 4
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    Reply to: Dave Sharma on Thu, 7 Oct 2004
    Hi Mr singh,
    Dave sharma here. I undertsand some teachings of the light of truth and the vedas however my languid ineptitude prevents me from obtaining all the truth.
  • Vj ~ Hi Dave, nice to hear from you and yes it is from "languid ineptitude" we all must begin our journey to ascertain truth. The good thing about it is that you can humble yourself to acknowledge it while too many are not able to do so.

    Although i do use a dictionary it is still hard. Therefore i ask you this. Does it say anywhere in the light of truth and the vedas that man and woman were created when the suns beams hit the earth and then human pods shot out of the ground.

  • Vj ~ It says we came from food since that is the cause of the reproductive element so if there were human pods it had to be from vegetation and not out of the ground. I too sometimes wonder how it happened, but in reality I must face the fact that there are different conditions for different answers and as we make progress intellectually the answers such as this will truly materialized in the realized state of consciousness. Trying to find it now is like making the effort of going to university before starting primary school.

    These were middle aged men and women; god was kind therefore he didnt want the race to die out as young and elderly cant defend themselves.

  • Vj ~ It had to be an age where they were able grasp the knowledge revealed then, the most important tool necessary to survive in perpetual happiness (without pain and suffering) as it was satyuga.

    Although i understand about how god assembled the atoms i am interested in if this theroy is correct.

  • Vj ~ I hope what I provided so far has helped. Note also, that those who were created, and not born through sexual union, are deserving of such purity and high inclination because of their wisdom and virtuous actions in the past life.

    If not please dont comdemn my ignorance as harshly as you have others. However i will probably deserve it.

  • Vj ~ I only condemn ignorance harshly when one insists in remaining ignorant. That I come to know after awhile and not usually at the beginning of a dialogue. Besides, when it reaches that point, if you can whether the storm as few have, you indeed ready for this knowledge.


  • Dialogue 5
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    Reply to: Dave Sharma on Sat, 9 Oct 2004
    Namaste Singh Jee,
    I would like to confirm something on the law of karma. I know that god can only create, maintain, and destroy the universe and administer fruits for the soul's deeds or punishment.
  • Vj ~ Namaste Daveji,
    There are two eternal laws that govern the universe, natural laws which take care of the physical side (creation, sustenance and dissolution) and the law of Karma that takes care of the spiritual aspect (dispensing justice of rewards and punishment). These laws run automatically which enable God to maintain His uninterrupted blissful state without Him ever intervening.

    However does this mean that God can punish souls for something bad that it has done in this life by making it suffer in it?

  • Vj ~ Actually it is not God who punishes or rewards souls, but souls themselves by their actions sinful or virtuous. He gave us intructions (a manual) to reap the best in life and the reason why this is so, is because to be sinful is the natural way of created beings. Evil is inherent in matter (the material cause) which is also eternal and of which we are created of. Whatever punishment comes our way is due our own state of ignorance and even though we can seek enlightenment it does not discount the punishment sowed in our last life. There is a vast difference in the tendencies of an ignorant and an enlightened man when it comes to bearing pain and suffering. While an enlightend man becomes stronger (and wiser) in suffering and is silent about it, the ignorant is made weaker by his suffering and on the other hand, wants the whole world to know of his sorrow.

    Also, if an innocent person has suffered injustice does this mean that it has committed sins in this life or the past one? or does it mean it will be rewarded in the next for this injustice.

  • Vj ~ If an innocent person ever suffer it will be an injustice. God is just and therefore the innocent can never suffer. I know some people may show a lot of moral dispositions from which we can conclude that they are innocent, but when there is pain it is justifiable according to the law of karma. Swamiji, even as a rishi suffered too during his life time but he never spoke or complained of it. Those who wrote of his pain is what they may have heard or saw, but it never came from his own lips. Pain is joy for a yogi and significantly poisonous for the ignorant.

    Thanks for your time

  • Vj ~ Keep up your excellent work of impartial inquiry. May knowledge of the Vedas continue to inspire you.

    Dialogue 6
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    Reply to: Dave Sharma on Thu, 14 Oct 2004
    Nameste singh Ji,
    Although i am aware of the dangers of eating meat such as obesity and vcjd (including other diseases), not forgetting the 8 paps of manu regarding meat,
  • Vj ~ Namaste Daveji, what meat does to the physical body is minor in comparison to the greatest of all dangers and that is denying the soul its bountiful reward of perpetual happiness.
    "There is no turpitude in eating meat, drinking alcohol or committing adultery for that is natural way of created beings, but abstinence brings great rewards." Manu
    however my friends who lack this knowledge still regard eating meat better than a vegeterian diet
  • Vj ~ But we know better, don't we? We who seek this knowledge do it for only one purpose for the greater rewards of health and happiness not only in this life but others to come. If your friends knew any better they too would strive for the same goal since no one desires pain (unhappiness).

    and also he believes the aryas ate meat and then adopted the charateristics of the dravidians and became vegeterian.

  • Vj ~ Perhaps Aryas may have eaten meat at the beginning of kaliyug, 6000 years ago, it is what we call the fall of the once pure and pristine glory of the aryan civilization. But it will be a travesty to ourselves to let the weaknesses of our ancestors impede on own our effort to seek enlightenment.

    I know this is wrong but he says analysis of the aryans bodies shows they ate meat, surely this must be another perversion?

  • Vj ~ I wonder who did the analysis? The West has done a lot to distort history depriving the ancient race of its rightful place as the cradle of all civilization. But however, science is gradually lending us much that is credible which can hardly be ignored anymore.

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    Reply to: Dave Sharma on Tue, 19 Oct 2004
    Singh Ji,
    Please enlighten me on the powers of god my ignorance on understanding the vedas doesnt allow me to understand whether god can only
    1. create, sustain and destroy the universe and award the fruits of deeds to the souls
    or
    2. Does God have Infinite powers as it says in the rig veda.
  • Vj ~ Daveji,
    The feeble mind of ours cannot comprehend the infinite power and glory of the Almighty unless we have reached the state of a realized soul (yogi). So my friend your questions are excellent, but let's put the effort into ourselves first to begin the journey if it is our aspirations to know the whole truth.

    Reply to Dave on Tue, 19 Oct 2004
    Singh Ji,
    When did your relizations of the right path come please tell me how too.

  • Vj ~ After intensed study (Light of Truth) and practice with guidance of my guru. There were many who participated in his class also, but have failed to come to grip with this truth. I find that time and daan were equally of essense to receive this wonderful gift of wisdom.

    Also do you think that one day everyone will be on the right path?

  • Vj ~ Every human soul have the capacity to do so, if not in this birth certainly in some other births to come. The point is no one desires pain so if you can make the effort now it will save you many births of pain and suffering.

    Arent you disgusted at how your aryan ancestors have been manipulated and how westerns take credit for their work eg the wheel etc.

  • Vj ~ Before it disgusted me, but after realizing the true nature of creation, where progression is downwards, I have come to understand why it is this way. If you have come the point of saving yourself as I did, someday, you will realize that you cannot save the world.

    Do you practice yoga?

  • Vj ~ Most certainly, it has become my inner nature to do so.

    Are you Brahma yet? ( read the vedas and ascertained true knowledge).

  • Vj ~ I have acquired a discriminating intellect (knowing right from wrong) so far. Many people believe you have to abandon your present way of life (family, wealth, etc.) completely to begin the journey towards salvation. It is not so, if we are not born in the right condition. All I can do now, is to gradually prepare my soul for a higher birth where the study of the Vedas is a certain possibility and then salvation.

    If yes have you communicated with god?

  • Vj ~ When you know truth from untruth you are communicating with the divine.

    Through yoga you can detect god; the light of truth teaches " Just as you cannot see sound or hear light you cannot see god. However through accertainment of true knowledge and practice of yoga it is possible to make contact" Is this something you strive to do?

  • Vj ~ The Vedas is God's revelation when you know it you have come in contact with God. The idea of contact is to confirm our nature, attributes and characteristics to that of God, attaining the blissful state like Him. When this is done we are wise as God so why would we want contact if we already know?

    Do you think you will be emancipated?

  • Vj ~ My effort in this life guarantees it in my next birth.

    I can't access your book or the light of truth off your site i want to send them to people i know pleasae help.

  • Vj ~ I know longer have them in pdf links, but html versions are easily accessible from my site.

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    Reply to: Dave Sharma on Wed, 20 Oct 2004
    Please tell me why it is this way. The true nature of creation is salvation isnt it?
  • Vj ~ The true nature of creation is for souls to reap their rewards or punishment for past actions virtous or sinful. Since we are not all born in the same condition or with the right inclination (sanskaras) many will have go through many many births.

    Please tell me how i can come to the point of saving my self.

  • Vj ~ You have already started my friend. Keep on reading the Light of Truth and apply the four subsidiary means of reasoning with regularity and you will be there.

    How did you come in contact with your guru, how could you tell he spoke the truth and wasnt a fake?

  • Vj ~ He is a younger brother of mine who studied in India. I didn't know what was true or fake, but I was quickly drawn to his strong and courageous physical disposition. In other words, "do as I do" worked better than "do as I say" and from then on I was on my way. In coming in contact with such teacher, many will spend their time arguing what is right and what is wrong, these kind of people are egoistic and get no where.

    I am not being mean here but my words might sound strong.

  • Vj ~ It is those who are lacking the truth hurts, and since I have found it, what else is there to hurt me?

    if you believe that nothing can top the works of swami Dayanand and you can only save yourself then why have you you made a site devoted to the one true religon? Was it to revive awareness of fake modern religon?

  • Vj ~ In truth no one can begin the journey to salvation without knowing this great rishi and his works. Swamiji had already saved himself also, so why did he bother to expose what is false? It is nature of the wise to disseminate truth for the good of the human soul whether they reject or accept it is not an impediment to their (the wise) journey to salvation. My site is for all but mainly geared to put a spike in the prejudicial thoughts of westerners.

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    Reply to: Dave Sharma on Tue, 28 Sep 2004
    Singh Ji Nameste,
    Although you answered most of my questions you forgot but one. Pay attention to what we wrote:-
    Arent you disgusted at how your aryan ancestors have been manipulated and how westerns take credit for their work eg the wheel etc.
  • Vj ~ Before it disgusted me, but after realizing the true nature of creation, where progression is downwards, I have come to understand WHY IT IS THIS WAY. If you have come the point of saving yourself as I did, someday, you will realize that you cannot save the world.

    Please telll me WHY IT IS THIS WAY and why it does not disgust you now.

  • Vj ~ If it had still disgusted me, it would have meant that after 25 years of study and practice I am not enlightened yet.

    Reply to Dave on Sun, 24 Oct 2004
    My father works in a temple of hindus although he argues that he is doing it for the betterment of mankind he is not. He regards many things such as the vedas & the light of truth to be true however for his convienience he still works there and commits sins by practicing pooja. I confronted him about this and he told me the pooja wasnt for the statue but for the supreme being. Surely even worshipping the sanskrit letters of "aum" is idol worship? I even told him the meaning of the gitri Mantra where it teaches that " only the creator, sustainer, and dissolver of the universe is worthy of our prayers" but he still doesnt learn.

  • Vj ~ I know of many who call themselves arya purohits (Pandits) who have returned to the fold of hinduism or practice some form of it for the benefit of dakshana. What can be expected of your father who haven' t gone to that extent? The good thing about all this, is that every individual is responsible for the elevation of his own soul, and that yours is definitely moving in the right direction. Swami Dayanand was born of out Hindu sanskaras and yet became a Maharishi, it is no different for any other soul, except that their struggle maybe steeper.

    Also why do you waste your time trying to enlighten biggots when they are not impartial nor are they even willing to listen to truth and reasoning because they are too wrapped in their blind faith!?

  • Vj ~ Very true, but it is the nature of the learned to disseminate truth for the good of humankind whether they accept it or reject it. It is never a waste of time because time is abundantly a commodity for the learned who continue to draw nectar (wisdom) from poison (fools). Remember my friend, if all souls should find liberation, who is going to be reincarnated into vegetation, birds and other creatures (wildlife) a necessity for sustenance of creation. Save your soul while you can and leave the others to the law of karma.

    Also, are you true in thought, action and speach?

  • Vj ~ I am in my third stage (varnaprasth) of my life. It is at this stage one continues to put all the effort one can into study and practice to become pure in thought, action and speech.

    In addition, explain how a person praying to the vedic god through glorification can better himself.

  • Vj ~ First try to understand what prayer is, it is only a reminder to you of what you must do by continuous effort to acquire the correct knowledge and put it into practice. God is only an inspiration because He is free of pain and suffering we aspire the same for ourselves. Whatever our aspirations for spiritualityare, the instructions have already been given to us. Like a manual we must follow it if we need to succeed and not to wait for God to speak or communicate with us. He is All-bliss and won't interrupt that blissful state to listen to us or intervene in our personal lives.

    Dialogue 10
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    Reply to: G.Balasubramanian and others on Fri, 22 Oct 2004
    Vijai Singhji,
    many thanks for your reply.
  • Vj ~ Namaste and thank you for contacting me for guidance. Time is always abundantly available to the learned.

    It is true that initially we were not sure whether we were approaching the right source.

  • Vj ~ I do not know why you wanted to approach Swami Dayanand's mission when innitially the right source should have been your Gita.

    Now after seeing your reply we are convinced that we approached the wrong source. We sincerely regret for that.

  • Vj ~ It would have been better to show regret over your ignorance, in that way, you could be in a position to learn what constitutes true study & practice for spiritual upliftment.

    How can performing Havan wrongly and without reciting appropriate Mantras and procedures be better than not performing Havans?

  • Vj ~ I see your ignorance to be more of a travesty to your soul than reciting Mantras and procedures appropriately. Why don't you tell me what are the purposes of performing agni hotra? If it fits one purpose, why isn't it good enough? As a matter of fact, why bother to do havan at all, when a simply dip in the Ganges can wash your sins away?

    This itself shows the ignorance on your part. If you do not perform a particular Havan no harm accrues to you. Whereas if a Havan is done wrongly either wantonly or out of ignorance you will be committing sins and incur divine wrath.

  • Vj ~ There is no such thing as "divine wrath", whatever pain and suffering mankind have brought upon themselves the cause is ignorance and not the work of the Divine.

    We are pained to point out that your and your Guru`s replies ooze out ego.

  • Vj ~ If you are pained then my guru is doing the right thing - it is the truth that hurts. It is the nature of ignorance for a fool to be hurt by truth.

    A guru, by definition, is one who has controlled his ego. If you and your Guru want to advance spiritually, the only Golden Path for you is to control Ego and not to get excited or become arrogant under any circumstances.

  • Vj ~ You must be speaking of those wishy-wash gurus in safron robes roaming the banks of the Ganges, whose egos are controlled until their 'sainthood' is challenged.
    What do you not understood by this quote:
    “Let him say what is good for another even though it may offend.” Light of Truth
    This is the considered view of all of us (50 odd people) who are engaged in activities of lokahita as part of Karmayoga and have been studying and discussing Prastanatraya in depth over past 20 odd years as part of Gyanayoga. We are also practising Dhyanayoga.
  • Vj ~ If after 20 odd years of practice you are still looking for guidance on the right procedures for havan, something has to be wrong. I really wonder what your gurus have been really teaching you and your 50 odd people, and yet you have the gaul to blatantly accused my guru who has virtually freed me from the ignorance that still plagues you.

    As far as Bhaktiyoga is concerned individually and collectively we all are staunch devotees and perform saguna Upasana if not Nirguna Upasana. We wanted to get a first hand experience of performing Gayatri Havan with shraddha. That is why we looked for some guidance from you. We have learnt the lesson for contacting the wrong source.

  • Vj ~ Or perhaps it is the right source and you are too ignorant to change your ways. The Sanskaar Vidhi written by Swami Dayanand has the answer but better yet, read his Light of Truth and contemplate on its meaning. You have made no mention of Swami Dayanand so far, so don't blame me for accusing you being an idiot.

    Once again thanking you for sparing your valuable time in replying our mails.

  • Vj ~ My time is available to even an idiot who must now suffer, but will need this wisdom at some later birth if not this one, to free his soul .

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    Reply to: Dave Sharma on Sun, 31 Oct 2004
    Bram Sharma Ji and Singh Ji,
    It is a very good point in the natural laws that revelation of true knowledge should be given at the beginning of man's creation as if it was not then it is unjust on Gods behalf.
  • Vj ~ It does not only points to God's justice but it is in keeping with whatever is created (finite) must be new or perfect or pure or innocent, etc. at its earliest stage before subjected to decay. Had human civilization began in a barbaric state it would not have lasted for long, so it had to be the correct knowledge where mankind were guided to live a highly righteous life free of pain and suffering.

    What do you both say to people who would say that the revelations in the Qran and bible etc were not given at the start of creation as those pople were not worthy or that because of their past actions they were not given the knowledge. No-one has put forward this argument but i am interested in your response.

  • Vj ~ There were no such thing as Bible and Quran in the beginning of creation. These dogmas all started by the ignorant from Hinduism (idolworship) as the Vedic civilization came to an end 5000 years ago. In fact, they are not revelations at all since revelation must be free of historical references. Again, according to Encylopedia Britanica Hinduism is the oldest religion in the world, so how could the others begin to validate a beginning as they imply.

    Also what are your views on the war on Iraq. reside?

  • Vj ~ My view is, it is a war between two evils, one lesser (USA) than the other. The spirit of sharing died with unrighteousness (Islam) of the worst kinds. It is the law of nature that when a country (USA and all Western nations) becomes rich (as India was 6000 years), there will be no end to lust for power and greed until creation is again reduced to the primitive state again

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    Reply to: Dave Sharma on Sat, 20 Nov 2004
    "if women in paradise are united to men of the same age , it is not right, since the male should always be twice as old as the female or even older" i asked my parents about this and they couldnt find it in there versions of the light of truth. I am confused as this statment cannot be right. The translation has been made by Dr. Chiranjaiva Bharadwaja.
    Please shed some light on this,
  • Vj ~ It is right my friend and as your study and practice becomes more intense you will no doubt, like other wise men see it as true. Swamiji is referring to the class of the Dwijas (twice-born) where they are enlightened to understand that sexual union is only for the purpose of procreation and best suited to produce a superior family life. At 48 a brahmachari has reached the full prime of his life and is in the best condition to produce a child of the very best of sanskaras and a brahmacharini at the age of 24 is best suited to conceive such a child. Since these are the people likely go to heaven, if there is one as Muslims are taught, then it is the only family life desirable of heavenly state.

    Keep in mind that a woman reaches maturity at 18 and a male at 25 and a marriage can take place in this category also, but never among the dwijas.

    Books such as the Light of Truth have been translated over and over mistakes are bound to happen, but when you have become superior in your reasoning power you will know that if they are mistakes or not.

    Firstly i appreciate you forwarding the emails. And now i hope you may be able to enlighten me. My mum has told me astonishing things about the word aum. I am aware of the meaning and my mum tells me that the Rishis to whom the vedas were revealed were so pure and intelligent that they gave a name such that it calms the mind and also does something inside bodies to refine them. She also tells me that in america that there was once an experiment that they hooked up a person to instruments , although my mum doesnt know what they measured but we can assume it would be something like brain activity, and when they said god nothing happend. And then "allah" again nothing. However after saying the name of the supreme spirit it started happening. I hope you will be able to give me some details of this experiment.

    Recently i was reading through the Mohammedan religon and whenever the Mohammedan mentioned the name of the sex maniac that is there prophet he/she wrote symbols with dots. What od they stand or? i htink this was on the last dial.
    What are your views on euthenasia? Is it murder? Isnt it wrong to shorten someons life just because they are in pain and shouldnt they suffer for what they have sown?
    It says in the light of truth that the teaching from the bible that "an eye for an eye a tooth for a tooth" is wrong Swami dayanda says that if an honest man's house is broken into its not right for him to break into the robbers house. i agree with this. But could you elaborate on how people such as thieves should be punished im sure it says in the manu smriti.

  • I know nothing of such experiment, but I know that it is the Rishi whose nature has become like God draw the full benefit of chanting His name. The mere repitition of Aum without seeking knowledge and practice is still avidya (ignorance).

    As for euthenasia, it is the way FDA and FDC sell their commodities. The longer one lives and more unhealthy lives they live, the more their food and drugs sell. Think of it, should they find a cure for all these diseases, millions will be out of jobs.

    One, even though healthy, void of true knowledge is actually a burden to one's soul muchless the vegetative state where the burden is greater to society on the whole and death is a good thing if the life is taken on that basis rather than just for the relief of pain. Keep in mind that no one escapes what he or she has sown even by untimely death.

    The only good an extended life serves is if one is truly enjoying the estacy of self-realization (spirituality), the best example to show for the benefit of society.

    Regards , Namestae

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    Reply to: Dave Sharma on Wed, 10 Nov 2004
    is the soul eternal? If it isnt then it must have been created. If it was created then it must die as all things finite must decay. It it dies then it will be unjust on gods behalf to let it die as it might have not served punishment for all its sins. Therefore i think its right to infer that the soul is eternal ie without a beginning and an end. If so then it means it must have not been created by god and it must have been around at the same point as god. Is it right to say this?
  • Vj ~ Very true, you are correct. The soul is eternal as God and matter, the material cause, but its actions are finite and as such it can only reap finite punishment or reward. If it is created as many religions lay claim to, then it must die also. The idea that it is created must also mean that they are innocent and should not be subjected to pain and suffering, but such is not the case.

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    Wednesday December 14th 2005
    Signed MDG guestbook
    "If all the religions of the world were in harmony with each other there would have been one religion, but since they all oppose each other there is one true religion." Swami Dayanand.
    After it was first unlinked and then completely deleted it prompted the below response from me.

    From: vijaisingh@rogers.com
    To: mdg@aryasamajtoday.org
    Sent: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 10:51:12 -0500
    Subject: Fact!
    Those who openly preach, especially the Vedic philosopy, under the umbrella of moderated forums usually have much to hide.
    Vijai Singh

    To: vijaisingh@rogers.com
    From: MDG@aryasamajtoday.org
    Subject: Re: Fact!
    Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:56:14 -0500
    Those who prowl the web looking to insult and defecate on anything to promote dharma under false pretense and get recognized have much to fear.. and way too much hate and anger.... see I can fling mud too... just nicer.. :-)
    Vj ~ So what makes you think that the "mud" you just flung affected me in anyway? If you knew anything at all of Vedic dharma, you would know that those whose efforts and dedication fall under its protection, do not seek recognition and they are fearless in denouncing what is false. It is what Swamiji did all his life.

    Mr Vijay Singh, I am the moderator and administrator of this site. I am familiar with your efforts to promote hate and insult.
    Vj ~ If you are familiar with my efforts then you should know that the Hindus, Muslims, Christians have all said the same of me, and if your thoughts are at same level as them, then I really have to wonder what Bhai Satish Prakash Arya with a PH.D behind his name taught you.

    I have read your work and as a result, removed your hidden links you tried to add to our site. Work on your anger Mr Vijay... don't hate so much, it will be your first step to finding inner peace and become a true Arya.
    Vj ~ I can't help it, had you understood the meaning of the Light of Truth, you would have found that Swami Dayanand got emancipation through it. Since you know who is a true arya, why not show me where on the internet, a "true arya" is running an unmoderated forum? Of course, that is if you agree, that a true arya has nothing to hide or fear.

    I think I am from your village in Guyana, probably younger than your kids, but I don't need the recognition you seem to enjoy based on your writings. As you can see, my name is not even on this site. I just don't care for the recognition.
    Vj ~ Either that or you lack courage to use your name and the latter is most common, to most who serf the net. And it is not just joy my friend, it is the estacy of wisdom, which you are yet to experience. My writings are for both the honest seeker of truth and idiots like yourself who are offended by it, either way I am unmoved by vanity or insults.

    My efforts and the intent of this site is not to promote your style of preaching.
    Vj ~ I understand, it is only a very few are really gifted with courage to disseminate this knowledge without fear of reprisals.

    People respond better with reason, love and harmony.
    Vj ~ This is so true, since it is so easy to hide your weaknesses with theirs. You see, when there is agreement among all that both guru and students have weaknesses, how could there be disharmony and hate?

    As you can see, the bottom line is.. you don't not have the moral authority or judgment or knowledge or anything for that matter.. that should tell me how I should develop or maintain this site.
    Vj ~ Tell me, how come you have all of that and yet you fear me who have none of it?

    Take care Mr Vijai Singh and get the help you desperately need.
    Vj ~ This is what I can't understand, if I "desperately need help", is Maharishi Dayanand Gurukula not the right place to come to? If those of different opinions than yours are not welcome at a school of "true aryas", where else should they turn to? After all Swamiji did not restrict this knowledge a chosen few, but included the down trodden also.

    I hope you don't find my reply disrespectful - but I think this is the only language you understand.
    Vj ~ I am glad that you are respectful and moreso, speak the language I understand, for its your kind I really enjoy having a dialogue with. Hopefully, we will continue, right!

    I will never speak like this to someone like..for example Bhai Yaswant or Bhai Bose or anyone like their caliber in this manner.
    Vj ~ Do you mean with respect you will speak to them in a language they don't understand?
    Namaste
    -Site Administrator and Moderator... :-)

    To: vijaisingh@rogers.com
    From: postmaster@aryasamajtoday.org
    Subject: Undeliverable notice
    Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 22:29:00 -0500
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    Namaste,
    Maharishi Dayanand Gurukula

    Dialogue 16
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    Reply to Darsh - December 20th 2005
    Namaste Bhaiji. You prove me right! As I was replying you the first time, I had a strong feeling that the email will end up in your forum.
    Vj ~ Namaste Darshji, I have proven you wrong also when you gave me the impression that you read my work and knew me well before responding. But on the other hand, if you have nothing to fear, it wouldn't matter, WHERE it ends up, right?

    However, this was never a discourse - just to let you know my perception of your writings of hate, anger and even traces of deception.
    Vj ~ It is a discourse when you respond making accusations which you can't support. If there is hate, anger or deception be honest to point it out so that the one you accuse can clarify the situation which is mainly to your benefit.

    Please note that I don't fear you - or your words.
    Vj ~ Easier said than proven, my intent was never to have my opponents fear me or my words but to elevate their soul so that they can attain the wisdom to face any outcome with courage and dignity. Think of it, who is fearless can never speak of fear. I just choose to disagree with your methods.
    Vj ~ It is the same here also, I do not agree with your methods also, but I am not going to deny you the right to express or defend it openly.

    As a result, I respectfully decline to engage in any type of discourse with you for I do not agree with your interpretation of Swamiji and Vedas
    Vj ~ It is not respectful to accuse someone falsely and then decline to engage in a discourse.

    and I think it will be a waste of my time.
    Vj ~ If you claim to be learned then you should know that the "learned" can draw even nectar (wisdom) from poison (fool) so every oppurtunity that arises it is never a waste of time for me.

    Even if I try to point them out to you, it will just be more attempt to attack and prove how smart you are.
    Vj ~ Can you explain to me how can I, the unlearned, ever out smart one who is a student of a "humble and spiritual leader" as your Guru?

    Had you shown any indication of a learned person, I would have loved to have meaningful discourse with you.
    Vj ~ So you who can be outsmarted and decline to have further discourses with me can indicate who is a learned person? How is that?

    However, Dr. Satish is my Guru right now, and my mind and intellect is where I carry out my discourse at this point in my life.
    Vj ~ Well, whenever you feel the need not to be outsmarted, perhaps you will look else where, but until then you are within your rights.

    He is the most humble and spritual leader I know. I have much to learn but I know enough to make a conscious decision that your methods are not the direction in which I seek.
    Vj ~ It is nothing new really, the followers, of Jim Jones and all those who claim to be spiritual heads of something, all vouched for them the same way. A humble and true spiritual leader is one who would like his students to be better than him. Likewise, like Brahmachari Subhanandji, would have wasted no effort in sending as many of his students to study in India as he did. When your self-seeking guru have failed to encourage or send even one, doesn't that show that the knowledge he acquired in India is only for himself and no one else? Secondly, a humble and true spiritual leader is never subjected to the pains of incurable deseases especially of the heart and any other kind.

    You can reply to this email in your forum if you so choose -
    Vj ~ Thank you so much!

    to get the satisfaction of the last word and for anyone to see.... you seem to enjoy the audience.
    Vj ~ Well, it is the same aspirations I have for the down trodden, but if they insist they have the "satisfaction" and "enjoy" where they are, what else can I do? It is people like you who give me an audience, and even though they all claim to know who is learned and who is not, I haven't met anyone so far who can permanently disconnect from the "satisfaction of the last word" or deprive me of the "audience" I enjoy.

    Take care of yourself Bhaiji
    Vj ~ I have done that, and it resulted in the wisdom I now possess. However, I didn't realize before that it would become my nature to take care of others also which I really can't control anymore.

    Dialogue 17
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    Reply to Darsh - December 23rd 2005
    Namaste Darshji, you said that you never claimed to be a moderator.
    Vj ~ But you claimed to be the administrator of a forum that is moderated, so what does that make you?

    This is a label selected by one of your brothers for me.
    Vj ~ An intelligent one I must say!

    I am as calm as ever... but I keep saying numorous that I have made a conscious choice not have a discourse with Vijai, and the two of you keep hounding me to have one...
    Vj ~ You could have ignored my response when you deleted the links, but responding to me the choice was clear. You laid out your accusations and since them I simply asking you to back them up.

    and I don't care. hence the 'get in your brains' comment.
    Vj ~ Oh my, what respect you show and with "calm" to one who has taught you.

    Anyone can be crafty with words, but that does not make them an intelligent person.
    Vj ~ Vj ~ Quite true, but in this case the one with "crafty words" is the intelligent person, since you are the one refusing a dialogue.

    Swami Dayanand met a lot of scoundrels during his search for truth... but he used his human instinct to move on and avoid them... well that is a strong lesson for me.
    Vj ~ Vj ~ You may not know it, but it has been a stronger lesson for me, I could have gone with my instinct to avoid you and move on too, but that would have left a former student of Bramchariji a scoundrel. It shows how superior intelligence is over instinct.

    Again... I am only a student who have learned from you as well and will always respect you for it, but I have moved on.
    Vj ~ Vj ~ You mean moving down by abandoning an older guru who still bathes in snow and shower with cold water for a younger guru with heart problems. Unless you are planning be cremated with the latter?

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