DEXTER INTERVIEW (1995 Hit Parader)
THE OFFSPRING
"THE PUNK PRINCIPLE"
BY MARK SAUNDERS
Ahhhh...how quickly things change in the wacky world of rock and
roll. Just a year ago the Offspring found themselves perched precariously
on rock's cutting edge- just another high-energy, low-visibility punk unit
battling for survival on an indie label. Today, they're as "mainstream"
as you can get. That's what can occur when you release an album that
just so happens to sell three million copies. It's not that vocalist
Dexter Holland, guitarist Noodles, drummer Ron Welty and bassist Greg K
have changed their musical perspectives one bit; it's the world around
them that's changed. With the runaway success of their album Smash,
and singles like Come Out And Play, these Southern California protopunks
are no longer on the outside looking in. They've emerged as a primary
force in rock's latest "cultural revolution", the band (along with
Green Day) leading an unprecedented punk charge to the top of the charts.
Recently we spoke to the dreadlocked Holland about the Offspring's
sudden, and unexpected success.
Hit Parader: Does it bother you that the Offspring are considered
almost a top-40 band by some people?
Dexter Holland: People have always had the right to think whatever
they want about us. It's just that there are a lot more people thinking
about us now. It's not like we've changed our attitude at all since we
started out ten years ago. Back then, we'd play in front of a dozen
friends in a club, and it would be great. Today, we're playing three
sold-out nights in New York, and that's great too. We've stayed true to
the musical beliefs we've always had. It's the rock scene that's shifted
more towards us. I remember back in the late-'80s when west coast rock
ment basically heavy metal, I asked the guys in the band if they still
wanted to keep playing punk music. We couldn't even imagine playing
anything other than what we'd been playing all along. This is what we
like to do, and if the fact that our music is now played on the radio
bothers some people, that's not our fault.
HP: You mention that the band has been together for ten years.
Why do you think it took so long for people to catch on to you?
DH: I guess it's the same reason I just said. The music scene
was very different ten years ago. We kind of stood out like a sore
thumb against all the guys with the big hair and tight leather pants.
What we were doing was not what the record labels particularly wanted.
None of the small local labels in California would even waste a stamp
on us to send us a rejection letter. It was a little frustrating. But
we were still having fun, so we just kept on going. Making a lot of
money from this has never been a big motivation. We kind of gave up on
that idea a long time ago.
HP: How did you finally get around the dilema of not landing a
record deal?
DH: We took that into our own hands. Back in 1987 we recorded a
few of our own songs for a 7-inch, and we pressed about a thousand of them.
Believe it or not, we couldn't even give those things away! I get a laugh
because some fans tell me that now those things are worth a little money
because of our success, but back then we had to go two years before we
unloaded the last of 'em. But a few of those records must have gotten into
the right hands because some guys from Nemesis Records tracked us down in
1989 and gave us what they call a press and distribution deal, which means
we pay for recording the record, but they'd distribute it for us.
Unfortunately, the album we did for Nemesis didn't do much better than our
first record; maybe two thousand of those sold. But we figured we'd give
it one more chance, so we also did am EP for Nemesis, which featured our
new songs. When that didn't sell, we realized we needed a label that could
give us a little promotion. So we moved on.
HP: How were you paying your bills during all this?
DH: We were doing ok in the clubs- though we'd only play about once
or twice a month. There were a couple of places that we kept playng, and
we developed a pretty strong fan base. Those club owners knew that when
we were there, they'd have a good house, and that those people would spend
some money. So they kept booking us. Some of the others places we would
play would close after about a month- they couldn't stay in business. It
wasn't easy, but we had other things going on in our lives, so the music
was just for fun.
HP: Did you ever consider just giving up on the band and pursuing "real"
lives?
The band was too much fun to ever give up. It was an outlet for all
of us. We'd consider trying to fit in on what was going on in L.A. at the
time, but we just couldn't see ourselves as a glam metal band. So we just
kept pursuing other options. We just kept being rejected by every label we
appraoched- and these weren't excactly major labels we were going after.
Bret Gurewitz, who runs our current label, Epitaph, even rejected us a few
times before he gave us a chance in 1991. I still don't know what it was
that made him go back and listen to our demo again, but when he called us
up and offered a deal we jumped at it.
Dexter Holland:
"We accept this kind of success
for what it is, no big deal."
HP: Your first album, Ignition, put you on the rock and roll map,
but it was still a long way to Smash.
DH: It was. Ignition came out in late 1992, and I think Epitaph
originally release 10,000 copies of that album and when those sold out we
couldn't believe it. We were on the road at the time, doing our first U.S.
tour, and we were really surprised when we were told the label had to press
more records. I don't know if Smash going platinum got us any more
excited than knowing we sold 13,000 copies of our first album.
HP: Now that your stars, do you find that there are different pressures
placed upon you that you never expected?
DH: Not really. I think that's true because we haven't accepted playing
the roll of "rock stars". That's not what this is about for us all. We've
tried to avoid getting caught up with all the side issues that do pop up
when you have a successful record. We've tried to watch that we don't
overexpose ourselves and make people sick of us. I don't know if I ever
thought we'd be in this position. But after ten years of trying, we are
enjoying it.
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