ABORTION - WORST KIND OF VIOLENCE

I decided to add this page as a began thinking of nonviolence and how it relates to how we should live and think. How this relates to proper use of our bodies and those as our guests inside them.

Most violence begins when we see the other as less than human or less than us.This includes blacks,Jews,gays,unborn babies,the elderly. Even nature and our abuse of it starts here

It occured to me that many people might check out a celibacy page because of past hurts that were making them avoid sex; and one of those hurts might be a past abortion or a present pregnancy.

I figured that most people checking out abortion web sites might already be pro-life and those that really needed the info might be passing them by. I didn't want to turn people off right at first but hopefully pique their interest to consider alternatives to abortion

See some NOTES from Dr. Bernard Nathanson's talk at the Erie ProLife Breakfast in 1999. He doesn't think Abortion will be a problem in 20 years. There will be other life issues to worry about.

See some CYNDI'S PBA STORY Sometimes it takes experience to know the truth about partial birth abortion.


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"Pro-life feminists reject abortion because they reject the view which accepts the use of violence to solve a problem. They want more than to just settle for mere equality of opportunity -- the opportunity to contribute equally to violence and and human rights abuses in society. Pro-life feminists seek to transform society to create a world that reflects true feminist ideals." Quote from REAL women organization, see below for more.


Check Out these Quick facts then check out the site they came from.

Rachel Projectif you already have had an abortion check here.
You are NOT alone-there are Birth Alternatives.
Open Letter TO YOURead if you have had an abortion
MEN Affected by Abortion Crisis Pregnancy Centers
Risk to Later Pregnancies
Most Against Abortion
What do Feminists say About Abortion?
Feminist for Life
More About R.E.A.L. Womensee quotes from Carolyn
Feminism & Nonviolence
Don't have to Be Christian to be Against Abortion
Contracept ives Page
ProWoman,ProLife thankyou carolyn Real life stories from those who know
Why are ABORTION CLINICS So unregulated?this is just a story about one problem.
Why Abortion Photos Are Shown then can link to photos Japan's View of Abortion from NY Law Journal Truth About Fetus Fast Facts on RU486
Drawings of the PARTIAL BIRTH ABORTION I got this page from another site ,since so clear
in case you don't really know how it is done check it out


Risks of Legal Abortion

It really bothers me that when women go for an abortion, that they are not informed of the risks to themselves or their future fertility. Many of the risks of illegal abortions are still the risks of legal abortions. Like infection and hemorage and perforation of the uterus. Plus the incidence of tubal pregnancies,placenta previa,sterility, and miscarriage increase dramatically in women who have had abortions, even just one abortion. The more abortions you have the higher the chance of these happening. Yet most women are unaware of this when the go in for abortion.

The latest example can be seen in OHIO . The clinics are resisting being licensed and meeting safety standards like any other ambulatory surgical clinic.

PRESS RELEASE

Ohio Legislators Want to Close Abortion Facilities

Feb. 2000

Columbus, OH -- Several Ohio state lawmakers yesterday called for the immediate closing of 18 unlicensed, free-standing abortion facilities, including four in Akron, Ohio.

At least 10 lawmakers, including Rep. Twyla Roman, R-Springfield Township, have asked the state Department of Health to close the abortion facilities until they are licensed. The abortion businesses were found to be without outpatient surgery center licenses after Cleveland Right to Life requested a probe in November.

``This is a health-care crisis for women in this state,´´ said Rep. James Trakas, R-Independence.

Abortion facilities weren't required to have licenses until 1997, said Health Department spokesman Randy Hertzer. State law now requires all outpatient surgery centers, including dentists' offices and plastic surgery centers, to pass health and safety inspections. Only four of the 22 abortion businesses in Ohio are licensed, according to Cleveland Right to Life.

Two of the Akron clinics -- Akron Center for Choice and Medical Planning Services -- are applying for licenses, Hertzer said. The others -- Akron Women's Medical Group and the Women's Med Center -- are appealing the decision that they qualify as outpatient surgery centers. Medical Planning Services had filed an appeal, but decided it was a waste of time, said abortion facility owner Manohar Lal. The abortion business has been inspected and should receive a decision on its license in about a month, Lal said. He said lawmakers' call to close the abortion facilities is political. ``They´re trying to find any small fault,´´ he said.

Hertzer said hearings on the Women's Med Center's appeal were held last week. A decision is expected by the end of April. Hearings for Akron Women's Medical Group are scheduled for April 5. Roman said the state takes away a driver's license if the driver doesn't have car insurance, so she finds it outrageous that abortion facilities are allowed to operate without licenses.

``I don´t buy the position that they didn´t know they needed to be licensed,´´ she said. She also takes issue with the fact there wasn´t any punishment for the offending abortion businesses.

``The sad thing about the law is that there´s no consequences,´´ she said. Hertzer said the department didn't immediately close the abortion facilities because the decision would have been tied up in the courts. That process would have lasted longer than just requiring the abortion facilities to apply for a license or go through administrative appeals, he said.

The Health Department inspected the abortion businesses soon after they were found to be without licenses, he said, to ensure nothing presented an immediate threat to mothers getting abortions. One abortion facility, Dayton Women's Services, was found to have an infection control problem. Dayton Women's Services corrected it and continues to operate. Dr. William Stalter, president of Montgomery County Medical Association, said he was appalled by conditions in the Dayton abortion facility. Stalter said drugs were unlabeled and mislabeled, and equipment wasn't sterilized properly.

He said the conditions give enough reason to shut all the unlicensed clinics. ``Vulnerable women are being deceived (and) exploited,´´ he said. The lawmakers plan to send a letter today to the health department asking for the closures, said Ray Yonkura, legislative aide to Rep. Jim Jordan, R-Urbana.

Another example -

Hear a 911 recording- Where an abortion clinic risks the life of woman rather than have ambulance use sirens and scare off business.
Go here and click on the WAV file.

Great list of the More Complications Listed Diagram of each week of developement

Real CHOICE or Just Business

The other thing that bothers me, is that this is just a business.If clinics were there to help women, then why would they care if information was given on adoption or assistance to keep baby with them? Why should they care which CHOICE a woman makes? They care because the abortion choice makes money for them ,and saves money for government.Why try to hide the fact that babies are killed, if it isn't murder? Why do clinics play word games to ease women into abortion? If trying to convince the women that abortion is OK, then where is the CHOICE?Why do the clinics have to be deceptive if for woman's own good?


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Topic: Pro-Life and Proud


Date: September 10, 1997


From MIKE

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Roaming the internet, you'd get the impression that Christian's had monopoly on the pro-life movement. And it's not just because virtually every Christian web site has a pro-life ribbon, but because the pro-abortion movement seems to feel that to be pro-life means to be a Christian.

I am not - yet - a Christian. I am not close minded to the views of Christianity, in fact I'm exploring it's teachings, but I wouldn't call myself a Christian. I'm even wobbly when it comes to the existence of God, but unlike Ken and Tony, and many other atheist wannabes, I don't believe that being a Christian is a bad thing. (a quick aside - why do atheists feel the desperate need to a) organize, and b) prove God doesn't exist?)

I'm pro-life. With the exception of very limited reasons, I don't believe that stop-and-drop abortions should be easily had. And I won't believe for a moment that one-and-a-half million annual abortions are young teenagers, or rape and incest victims. It's a response to failing to act responsibly, a convenience. While I realize that many people act very responsibly, and still end up with an unexpected pregnancy, removing those numbers from the grand total of annual abortions doesn't cause the statistics to drop significantly. If it did, there would be a class action suit against condom manufacturers for making unsafe safes.

The old, "would you force a 14-year old girl to have a baby?" begs two questions: What's a girl that young doing having sex? And, how can we be so gung-ho on preventing kids smoking and doing drugs, but sex at a young age is "Okay"? And none of that "they're going to do it anyway" routine. That's a cop-out, from someone who isn't willing to impose rules on their kids. Why try to teach them right from wrong? Why teach them anything? Afraid of alienating them? Considering the alternative, that's a small and likely temporary penalty to pay, if it means your kid will be graduated from high school without pushing a pram to commencement.

Notice how I have yet to use the words "God", "Christ", "Bible", or "morals". Go ahead - tell me I'm wrong, but make sure you tell me why I'm wrong. Since I removed some of the weaponry from the pro-abortion arsenal, it won't be that easy. Without being able to attack Christianity and its "evils", there's not much to whine about.

I don't think I will ever understand how a society which spends millions of dollars for research in pre-natal care, and fetal surgery, can also be a society in which those same foetuses are not even seen as human. As I've asked before, why spend all that money to save something the pro-abortion movement would have us believe is nothing but a bundle of cells? Wouldn't that money be better spent elsewhere?

And how can we, in seeing the ever-more remarkable video footage of a child developing in its mother, not consider that little tiny object anything less than a human being? Finger, toes, eyes, arms, nose - all so obviously human. I know that in the embr yonic state, humans share many similarities with birds and fish. The difference is women are neither birds or fish. Weird, isn't it? That narrows down the number of species we might actually be looking at on those PBS and Learning Channel programs, and increases the odds that this little beating heart might be a human.

At which point does a foetus become a human? Or, in the terms of the pro-abortion crowd, when does "it" cease to be "part of a woman's body? Does being fed via an umbilical cord mean that the foetus is part of the woman? Does having a gas nozzle in your car mean Exxon owns your vehicle? Am I being juvenile with this reasoning? The umbilical cord is the only means by which the child can be fed, in the same way a gas station is the only way I can get my car filled. But this relationship, the supply of sustenance for the foetus or for my car, doesn't mean ownership of the child's "self" or of me and my car has been given up.

Thus, to me, the foetus is never part of a woman's body. She is the provider of life, and the vessel in which a tiny human is created and from which that human is ultimately delivered. It is an awesome, and awe-inspiring responsibility, the burden of which I do not envy. But it is that, a responsibility, to the foetus within, not to the people without. It is that tiny creature to which a woman owes her time and energy, before birth in the same way as she does after delivery.

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Majority Against No-fault Abortion

In 1994, a Wirthlin post-election poll showed 51 percent of voters identified themselves as "pro-life", while only 43 percent considered themselves "pro-choice."

In 1996, Wirthlin's post-election poll corroborated the 1995 data, reporting that 60 percent of votes favored prohibiting elective abortion in most cases

53% believe abortion should be prohibited in all circumstances, or only to save the life of the mother or in cases of rape or incest.

This 53% is broken down as follows:
(9%) in all circumstances
(11%) legal only to save the mother's life
(33%) legal only in the cases of rape, incest or to save the mother's life

The following statistics show how abortion supporters' views are broken down:
27% believe abortion should be legal for any reason, but not after the first three months of pregnancy
5% believe it should be legal, but not after the first six months of pregnancy

Only 9% believe abortion should be legal at any time during pregnancy for any reason.

Wirthlin, November 1994.

Statistics,Et c. thanks carolyn
More facts
Abortion Sucks PageRather Graphic.

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Pennsylvania Bends Rules to Allow Abortionist to Open Clinic

It bothers me when you realize how unregulated the field is. This is one example.

In any other instance, a doctor who has had is license revoked, restricted or refused in 5 states would not be allowed to practice. Why are abortion doctors not held to the same standards?
(State College, Pa.) ‹ Abortionist Steven Brigham and his partner Eric Harrah have received the go-ahead from the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania to open an abortion clinic near Penn State University. Medical authorities in five states have revoked, restricted or refused Brigham's medical license. Several years ago, he forfeited his Pennsylvania medical license to halt a probe into his business. Harrah, the clinic's administrator, was fined $43,000 when another clinic he operated was cited for flushing unborn human remains into the sewer system.
Still, the clinic passed its state Health Department inspection in late August, despite lack of a written agreement with a local hospital to receive transfer patients. Centre Community, the local hospital, refused to sign an agreement to accept Brigham and Harrah's patients who have complications from abortions. Health Department officials waived the rule and approved the abortion facility anyway.
Now only one hurdle remains before opening: the clinic's lease. Brigham and Harrah rented an office suite under the name of "State College Medical Services," leading the owners of the building to believe the clinic would provide a full range of medical services. When the owners learned that the business was an abortion clinic, they revoked the lease and told Brigham and Harrah to vacate.
The abortionists sued the landlords, and Centre County Court Judge Charles Brown will determine this fall whether the landlords have a legal right to evict the clinic from their building. If the landlords lose, they are expected to appeal the decision; however, a clause in the lease does not allow the abortionists to appeal.

For more information on this case, write to:

State College Citizens Concerned for Human Life
at P.O. Box 756
State College, PA 16801.

LIME 5 Is a new book out now that is all about the problem with abortion clinics and death reporting.

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What Did Our Feminist Foremothers Say
About ABortion?

See all the Commentsbelow are my favorite.

Susan B. Anthony
"All the articles on this subject that I have read have been from men. They denounce women as alone guilty, and never include man in any plans for the remedy."
The Revolution, 4(1):4 July 8, 1869

Elizabeth Cady Stanton
She classified abortion as a form of "infanticide."

"When we consider that woman are treated as property, it is degrading to women that we should treat our children as property to be disposed of as we see fit."
Letter to Julia Ward Howe, October 16, 1873, recorded in Howe's diary at Harvard University Library

"There must be a remedy even for such a crying evil as this. But where shall it be found, at least where begin, if not in the complete enfranchisement and elevation of women?"
The Revolution, 1(10):146-7 March 12, 1868

Mattie Brinkerhoff
"When a man steals to satisfy hunger, we may safely conclude that there is something wrong in society - so when a woman destroys the life of her unborn child, it is an evidence that either by education or circumstances she has been greatly wronged."
The Revolution, 3(9):138-9 September 2, 1869

Sarah Norton
"Child murderers practice their profession without let or hindrance, and open infant butcheries unquestioned...Is there no remedy for all this ante-natal child murder?...Perhaps there will come a time when...an unmarried mother will not be despised because of her motherhood...and when the right of the unborn to be born will not be denied or interfered with."
Woodhull's and Claffin's Weekly, November 19, 1870

Matilda Gage
"[This] subject lies deeper down in woman's wrongs than any other...I hesitate not to assert that most of [the responsibility for] this crime lies at the door of the male sex."
The Revolution, 1(14):215-6 April 9, 1868

Alice Paul
The author of the original Equal Rights Amendment (1923) opposed the later trend of linking the E.R.A. with abortion. A colleague recalls her saying:
"Abortion is the ultimate exploitation of women."

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Feminists for Life

Feminists for Life was founded in 1972 by two women who were expelled from the National Organization for Women because of their pro-life views.
We proudly continue the feminist tradition of working for a society in which women can make life-affirming choices for themselves and their children.

For more information, write or call:

Feminists for Life of America National Office
733 15th Street NW, Suite 1100
Washington, D.C. 20005
202-737-FFLA

R.E.A.L. WOMEN

Quotes from Carolyn

Pro-life feminists want REAL choice for women. A REAL choice where women have the option to *choose* effective birth control, effective being the key word. A REAL choice when it comes to having a career and a child - women should not be in the situation where they either have an abortion or risk losing their job. What kind of choice is that?

Pro-life feminists reject abortion because they reject the view which accepts the use of violence to solve a problem. They want more than to just settle for mere equality of opportunity -- the opportunity to contribute equally to violence and and human rights abuses in society. Pro-life feminists seek to transform society to create a world that reflects true feminist ideals.

"True Feminist ideals" are part of a larger philosophy that values all life, including the life of the unborn. Feminists believe that all human beings have inherent worth - a worth which cannot be conferred or denied by someone else.

Abortion is completely incompatible with this feminist vision. Abortion makes the unborn and the mother enemies, and basically pits women against their own children so women can achieve "equality." For in today's society, women have not achieved true equality - they still must, many times, abort to be on an equal level politically, socially, and in the business world.

This does not mean that men are to blame for all abortions - they aren't. In fact, it is the men that respect the women, the ones that will take responsibility for their actions, and want the woman to keep the child and help in the raising of the child, that are seen as the "oppressors". They are the ones seen as controlling women, when in actuality, it is the irresponsible ones that are seen as "compassionate." The men who encourage women to abort, to avoid taking responsibility for their actions are the ones who do not respect women.

Abortion doesn't "liberate" woman - it "liberates" the people around them. For instance, employers do not have to make concessions to pregnant women and mothers. Schools do not have to accommodate to the needs of parents, and irresponsible men do not have to commit themselves to their partners or their children.

By accepting abortion, women have agreed to sacrifice their children for acceptance in society. Many feminists have given in to the standard which permits the treatment of "unequals" unequally, and for the powerful to oppress the weak. Isn't this what feminists fought *against*?

Women who refuse to accept the "choice" of abortion also refuse to participate in their own oppression and in the oppression of their children. Liberated women refuse abortion and all it represents.

As a pro-life feminist, I reject abortion and the idea of dominance that goes with it. We cannot diminish the value of one category of human life - the unborn - without diminishing the value of all human life.

Do I understand why women support abortion? Yes, I do. I see women discriminated against because they have children; I see women being abused and thus are scared to go through with a pregnancy for fear that the abuser will beat them more; I see women not getting equal job opportunities because they are pregnant or have children; I see women put in poverty because they are left by their partner to care for children alone.

But women should not be in these situations in the first place! Abortion is accepting of the Fact that women are not truly equal unless they are "not pregnant." Abortion does not solve the underlying reasons why women often abort in the first place.

     
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