The Differences in the
Five Chart Systems: Below you can find notes to
illustrate the differences between the five chart systems. They
correspond to the numbers on the figure captions on the right hand side of the
page.
(1) A heliocircumspectus
[Sun-View Point] chart is a view of where you would see the planets if you
could observe them from the Sun, not the Earth. The Moon position is almost the
same as the Earth's position [which isn't shown], i.e. from the Sun we'd be
seen against the sidereal sign of
Sagittarius, at Prince
William's birth.
(2) Cyril Fagan attempted,
fairly unsuccessfully, to popularize a
Sidereal [star-based]
Zodiac in the West. This is a twelve-fold division of the Ecliptic which
takes into account the movement of the ages, and so the
Zodiac signs are a much better fit
for the position of the constellations that we see today than is the case for
the Tropical Zodiac.
However it still assumes that all the signs should be approximately the same
length, which is inaccurate, and leaves out the
Zodiac Constellation
Ophiuchus.
(3) A heliocircumspectus
chart contains no houses. Houses and
House Systems are purely
symbolic Earth-view point ways of looking at the stars and planets, with no
reality in the solar system.
(4) Heliocircumspectus charts
don't contain Sun Signs, as a Sun Sign is the Sun's position as seen from the
View Point of Earth only.
(5) The Ascendant [and also
the Midheaven] is a phenomenon caused by the Earth's Spin and has nothing to do
with the rest of the solar system. Hence there aren't any for a
heliocircumspectus chart.
(6) The
Tropical Zodiac is a
twelve fold division of the ecliptic which doesn't taken into account the
movement of the ages. Therefore, as well as the oversimplifications of the
Sidereal system, it's now
almost a whole sign out of synchronization with the
Real Solar Zodiac. This
makes the planets one sign out from the sidereal heliocircumspectus
chart. It therefore also changes the position of the
Aspects between the planets.
However, the angles of the Aspects
remain unaltered. This is because all the planets shift position by
exactly the same angle changing from
Sidereal to
Tropical Zodiac
Zodiac Wheel, that is
about one-twelfth of the circle. [Note the planets don't actually move,
see below, it's the Zodiac we are
charting them against that has been moved.]
(7) This is a
geocircumspectus, i.e. Earth View Point based chart. This shows the
planets as viewed from Earth and so their positions with respect to the
Zodiac Wheel have changed
a lot in comparison to the heliocircumspectus charts. Note, that the
planets have not actually changed position in the Solar System.
They are where they always were at William's birth. [For a chart of the
planets natal positions at William's birth follow
this
link.] But our View Point of them changes if we are at the Sun or at
the Earth and this makes the background stars we see them against change.
This also means that the Aspects,
the angles the planets make with each other on the
Zodiac Wheel vary with
where we observe them from. So the geocircumspectus
Aspects are very different to those
of the heliocircumspectus charts. Actually, if you compare the
Real Solar
System with either class of Zodiac you will see that the Planets
actual angular relationships with each other don't bear much resemblance to the
Aspects seen from either the Sun or
the Earth. You would need to get a long way out of the solar system to
view its actual planetary Aspects.
(8) The
Placidus
House System is currently the
most popular House System in
Western astrology.
(9) As this is a
geocircumspectus chart a Sun Sign can be given, as we can mark the position of
the Sun as seen against a Zodiac
from the View Point of Earth. Against the Fagan
Sidereal the Sun is seen
as in transit across Gemini
at William's birth. As is the Moon. In reality the Sun is on the cusp between
the constellations of Taurus and
Gemini at Williams birth as
viewed from Earth. The Sidereal does, however, get
the majority of the other planets in the correct constellations, as seen
from Earth. The exceptions are: Jupiter which it places in
Libra instead of rightfully
against the constellation Virgo, Uranus in
Scorpius instead of
against Libra and
Neptune in
Sagittarius
instead of the reality of Ophiuchus for Prince
William.
(10) As this is a
geocircumspectus chart the ascendant can be added, as can the Midheaven.
These are both purely Earth based views of the sky. Actually in the real view
of the sky from London at William's birth
William's
Ascendant is Ophiuchus, but neither the
Sidereal nor the
Tropical Zodiac use
Ophiuchus.
(11) If you compare the
charts you will see that there is only a tiny difference between Fagan and the
Lahiri system. Lahiri is the Sidereal astrology system
used by hundreds of millions of Hindus in India. It is considerably better than
the Tropical Zodiac used
by Western astrologers because it's not a bad description of the
real constellations.
However, it still assumes the signs are of the same length and ignores
Ophiuchus. [Fagan and
didn't use Lahiri as they were attempting to get back to the "Babylonian
original" of the Zodiac.]
(12) This is the standard
zodiac wheel of Western astrologers. It gives a different Sun Sign to the
Sidereal Zodiac,
Cancer instead of
Gemini because it's off by
almost one complete sign from the real sky. It also puts the Moon in
Cancer instead of
Gemini. For William
it places all the planets in the wrong signs in comparison with the
real
constellations view from Earth, except Venus, with the Sun very difficult
to call on a cusp.
(13)
Sagittarius is still
given as William's
Ascendant in
this chart, but if you compare the
Tropical Zodiac and a
Sidereal chart you'll see
that the Ascendant has
moved to the other side of that sign. Again this ignores the fact that actually
William's Ascendant is
Ophiuchus. The angle
between the Ascendant and the Midheaven is purely an Earth-based View Point and
nothing to do with the choice of Zodiac, so it remains the same between
the Zodiac Types.
Prince William's Zodiac
Charts:
Prince William's Web
Horoscopes:
© Dr Shepherd Simpson, Galactic
Astrologer |
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Heliocircumspectus (1)
["Heliocentric"]
Fagan
Sidereal Zodiac
(2)
House System: N/A (3); Sun-sign:
N/A (4); Ascendant: N/A (5)
Heliocircumspectus
["Heliocentric"]
Tropical Zodiac (6)
House System: N/A; Sun-sign:
N/A; Ascendant: N/A;
Geocircumspectus (7)
["Geocentric"]
Fagan
Sidereal Zodiac
Placidus
House System (8); Sun-sign:
Gemini(9)
Ascendant:
Sagittarius (10)
Geocircumspectus
["Geocentric"]
Lahiri
Sidereal Zodiac
(11)
PlacidusHouse System; Sun-sign:
Gemini
Ascendant:
Sagittarius
Geocircumspectus
["Geocentric"]
Tropical Zodiac
Placidus
House System; Sun-sign:
Cancer (12)
Ascendant:
Sagittarius
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