What was it like being a member of Jane Roberts ESP Class?
I was one of the "New York Boys" mentioned in in Sue Watkin's book about the class,
Seth. We went up to class in Elmira weekly, on Tuesdays, which was about a 5-hour drive each way--for a total of 10 hours on the road. None of us really worked much in those days and all of us were between the ages of 21-23. I attended class from October 1972 to about May 1974; and then sporadically after that although I remained extremely close to my friends who still attended regularly.
There was a very mixed atmosphere in the "class" which was really
just a bunch of people crowded into Jane's living room. Usually, there was a group of 15-to-40 people attending;
always some visitors or new people; always the lights on; always a
lot of wine on the table. There was always loud talk and lively
discussions with Jane sometimes directing it in certain directions
and other times just being swept along with it. When Seth came
thru, everything stopped and quieted down. You may have heard some
of the audio tapes Ricky is selling...he's known as Rick Stack. He
has Rob's permission to actually sell audio tapes of Jane's
classes. Anyway, I'm not selling anything, so take it easy and
When Seth came thru, everybody shut up and listened. Seth had a
way of putting things that always complimented you. For example,
if there was a visitor in the class who we all thought was an
asshole, Seth would come thru and express what we were feeling
about the guy or gal, but put it in such a way that somehow turned
it into a compliment, while not losing any of the qualities which
we had labelled as "asshole." I don't know if that's clear, but it
was part of the atmosphere. After Seth left, Jane would ask a
class member to tell her what happened because she never was
really aware of what she said as Seth. This knowledge that she
would call on somebody always made me real nervous, thinking that
she may call on me and my mind would go blank and I wouldn't
remember anything, and anything I would remember I would say wrong
anyway--so I often felt nervous, but she never called on me for
that, thank God.
Seth was mostly very funny while being poignant. So, laughter and
humor was a big part of the atmosphere. When the Sumari came through
and sang it was either very moving or very boring--depending
upon if you got into it or not. There was a character called Seth
2. When he came through (only a few times he came through), it was very
spooky and eerie. He spoke in a monotone voice and kind of
removed from people, whereas Seth was very earthy and into people.
As far a "presence" felt--sometimes all of us sitting around Jane
in the living room as she sat in her rocker--somehow it felt like
a Indian tribe sitting in a cave, leaning against the walls,
eating, talking, while night passed outside the entrance.
The general atmosphere in the living room was always lively and
anti-spiritual, lights on, funny, no spooky or scary talk, cursing
and drinking and smoking allowed and accepted. People always
friendly, although arguments sometimes occurred regarding
philosophies or interpretations, but Seth would intervene and
make both sides feel good about themselves. One message Seth kept
repeating was, "The vitality you feel in my voice is your own
vitality." He kept turning us back onto and into ourselves. When
he would not answer someone's question, he would say something
like, "When you ask the question, you already know the answer. If
I answer you, you will have only half the answer, but would not
look further thinking you have the whole answer." When Seth was
out, you could certainly feel Jane was not talking anymore, and
another "presence" was there, but it was not a ghostly feeling or
presence, but as if another person was there, and whatever
feelings and energies go along with another person speaking and
getting the full attention of a gathered group who all love him.
If I had no belief in war, completely loved peace, could I wake up in
a reality where the world wars never happened?
You should already be interacting with this
world on levels you are not consciously aware of. There are
probable realities constantly being creating by each of us in this
ever-expanding multi-dimensional universe. These realities coexist
with what we choose to make physical, and we have probable selves
living in them. To them, we are one of their probable selves not
made physical, and we remain invisible to them. Therefore, one of
your probable selves already exists in a reality where the world
wars never happened.
Try to contact this world in your dream state; give yourself this
suggestion before you go to sleep. Keep a notebook by the bed and
remember to write down your dreams when you awaken regardless if
you think they pertain to your suggestion. By the way, these
probable selves have their own reincarnational "histories."
In Vol. 2 of the new Seth books,
The Early Sessions that Ricky
Stack just put out, and on pages 90-92, Seth says that Jane was
once Seth in a past life in the 4th Century BC, and that Jane is
one of many "probable personalities into which Seth could grow."
And that the Seth who comes thru Jane is another probable
personality of this 4th-Century-BC Seth. This is weird stuff,
Let's say you wanted to be a dancer. That Martha, who wanted to be
a dancer, has her own probable reality and reincarnational
line--different from the Martha who you are with your own probable
reincarnation line of personalities. Each personality keeps
sprouting probable realities and personalities and the universe
thus on a non-physical level to us...keeps inifinitely expanding.
Maybe this is "mirrored" on the scientific physical level in the
"expanding-universee theory" that scientists are so pleased to
speculate about in their usual manner.
I hope this helped you. It has helped me.
If I believe that I create my own reality, and I do believe that most
days, and I discover that my dog has epilepsy, then I must believe
that I have created that. So I now feel that I have hurt the dog by
my beliefs. How do I acquire a more positive take on this? I feel
tremendously responsible for the epilepsy, but I don't know how to
turn it into a positive thing.
You create your own reality, but you don't
create your dog's reality. Your dog created the epilepsy for
him/her self, for whatever reasons. Your reality is that you
"agreed" with the dog to own a dog who would eventuallly get
epilepsy. Your beliefs did not cause the epilepsy in the dog any
more than the dog's beliefs would cause your stomach virus,
twisted ankle, or any other malady you may have gotten or
eventually may get. The positive take on this is that it is not
your fault in any way. Also, the spirit and personality of your
dog, and the joys he/she has given you, will always live.
If and when your dog dies it is simply transforming into another
form of energy we humans cannot physically perceive. He or she is
leaving the camouflage of physical reality, but will still be as
alive as you or me, or Seth. When some illness like this enters
your life try to examine what feelings come up. If you feel guilt,
even tho you are not to blame, perhaps there are other areas in
your life that you feel guilt and you are also not to blame.
Perhaps your dog is choosing to help you to examine or reexamine
certain spiritual beliefs or ideas--such as illness, death, or
Ideas, which once further examined by you, will help you in other
areas of your life and in other relationships. Animals know there
is no death as do we human folks, deep down. Why your dog chose
epilepsy I can't tell you. I can say you are totally free from any
blame or guilt in the situation. To learn more about the events, I
suggest, as I always do, to ask yourself each night to have a
dream which will give you some answers and then keep a notebook by
your bed. Each night write down any dreams you remember regardless
if there seems to be any connections to your question. It may also
be interesting to examine what epilepsy itself means to you, and
what other illnesses you have come across in your family, loved
ones, friends or self as well as what separations have you
experienced or do you fear to experience and why. Do some thinking
and stream-of-consciousness writing on these issues. See what
comes up and relax, have fun and enjoy yourself, and your dog's
knowing you two love each other and especially know that you have
caused no harm in any way.
Our human belief is so intense that even a person with the personal
experience of Jane Roberts died in a hospital after being interned
for many months. Even she could not get rid of the belief in sickness
and succumbed to it. How could a person with such personal
experience, knowledge and apparent understanding, allow herself to
languish in a hospital believing in the illusion of sickness? If her
time was up and fully accomplished, even more reason for not allowing
herself the illusion of a terminal sickness. The manner of her death
confuses me. Can I have your thoughts on this, please?
It must be remembered that Jane was (is)
simply a person like we are. Even tho Seth came and spoke thru her
she was not any more or less capable of following his advice or
incorporating his ideas into her life than any of the rest of us
are. Seth could not force her to change any beliefs she held deep
inside which were "harming" her or were unpleasant to her. Jane
let Seth into all of our lives, but once "let loose" the messages
were received by her conscious mind, just like by our conscious
minds. Although she did have greater access to ask personal
questions, she had no greater ability to act on the advice. Its
like any friendship. You may see something "wrong" your friend is
doing, but regardless of how much you ask, advise, beg, or
lecture--if the person isn't ready to or able to listen to you,
then they won't get or be able to act on your "message."
Raised on the www.after-death.com
"Do you create your own reality?"
There are three immediate questions raised
by your question, "Do you create your own reality?" What do you
mean by "you"?
- The current personality you are, the one
who is currently focused on on this physical plane?
- The "group" of personalities of which
you are an equal member of, both past and present, from our point
- The "you" which is invisible to yourself
and who is actually aware of all these invisible things and
Also, what do you mean by "reality"? What is
reality? Is a table real? Is a table solid? Does time exist? Does
death exist? In what manner? Does reality mean only what you are
consciously aware of on this physical plane? What do you mean by
"create"? Does create mean "consciously" create?
You see, it is not so simple a question and there is much room for
I define reality as the complete reality we live in--the one in
which death does not exist as we physically perceive it, and where
time also does not exist. In other words what is physical is not
what we physically perceive it to be. There are past lives, future
lives and present lives all existing at the same time, all
interacting and learning from each other. Each one of these selves
has its own infiite number of probable selves and probable
realities; alternate selves and alternate realities--only one of
which we choose to actualize or make
although all are real and happening while we are unreal to them. I
believe we all create our own reality.
First, the universe, the table, chair, stars, Mars, mah jong
sets--everything is our thoughts made physical--individually and
en masse so, literally, we create our own reality. For all objects
of reality are our thoughts made physical.
Secondly, we also create our reality in that we
on levels we are not necessarily consciously aware of, but yet on
there is no death or time, on levels from which we sent ourselves
out here in the first place--on those levels with which we are
still actively and constantly in touch and which, although we
don't consciously remember--on those levels, we create our own
our parents. There are no accidents. And every major or minor,
intimate and shared thing that happens to us--we shared in its
creation beforehand. We chose for it to occur up until the second
it happened. We all know beforehand, as do those we are in touch
with, exactly when and how an "accident" will occur and who will
"die" in it. It all appears to be a shock and an accident because
that is how we learn and grow. But 100% choice is involved. So is
100% free will, which means nothing is "pre-ordained" and you can
choose to avoid the accident which you are consciouslly unaware
of--if you want to--on that deeper inner level.
We do create our own reality, but that reality is not what we
think it is. And all the horrors of death and the pain of loss
only exist because of our limited perceptions. No one dies. No
personality ever gets swallowed up and lost after death. No
contact is actually broken when a loved one dies. It continues on
levels we are not used to or trained to become aware of. Yet
active communication with the personalities who die does go on and
on--on deeper levels that we are usually consciously unaware of;
but yet in which we actively participate. Such communication
occurs in the dream state whether you remember it or not. It also
occurs in the waking state whether you remember or are consciously
aware of it.
When dealing on these levels, we have to use the physical tools
and experiences that we have available to us. So, be aware of
those "tingles" you feel when thinking certain things or just
sitting there doing nothing. This may be a confirmation of
something between a spirit, or whatever you wish to call "dead"
people, and our own invisible selves. It could be a signal to you
that the person is in the room with you. Be aware of those
coincidences which surround certain events and thoughts.
Coincidences are an invisible langauge of physical reality which
we use to communicate with "spirits."
When someone dies they simply transform into a form of energy we
cannot physically perceive. But they are still as alive as we are,
or if you prefer, we are as dead as they are. Babies must learn to
understand that when mommy leaves the room, she is still alive
only "invisible" for the moment in another room. Same thing with
death. When it comes to our ideas of death, we are like babies.
And the "dead" person is only invisible for a moment in another
level of reality we cannot phyically perceive.
Another useful tool to be aware of our active communication with
"dead" people is intuition and imagination. as both of these
things are much more than we ordinarily think they are. It is also
through phsycial methods such as dreams, coincidence, intuition,
and imagination that we can become aware that we do create our own
reality and why we choose what we choose.
however, must always exist. Many people choose to misuse the idea
of creating your own reality in order to justify their
selfishness, greed, or callousness; and not look into themselves
to discover why they feel such things. Questions arise such as,
"Why should I help the poor, didn't they choose to be poor?" The
answers is, yes, they chose to be poor, and you chose not to be
poor, and we all chose to learn from our life situation. Here the
"lesson" of those in need to those who have is to learn to love
and be compassionate and to understand why you are not yet loving
and compassionate. Even though they also create their own
realities we are still supposed to help them. How else can we
learn to feel love, compassion and to help. If there were no
people who needed help--what then would teach us compassion?
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