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amarsanghera 
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(8/24/04 10:22 pm)
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 Re: Christians world wide believe Jesus is that prophet.
< Starjade says: so if war broke out you would send the wife or girlfriend into battle whiles you stayed at home and watched the kids. Never send a woman to do a Mans Job. Besides God said he would raise up a prophet not a Prophetess. And there is only one Prophet in the whole of eternity that could get that Job done. And that Prophet is a Lord King a King of Kings. And he just happens to be a male.
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christian muslim God is Sexist.
why can't women fight..
then why did god make women of amazon.
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'So death is having all these tries at me, is he? Let him, then! I had a try at him a long while ago myself.' 'When was this?' you'll say. Before I was born. Death is just not being. What that is like I know already. It will be the same after me as it was before me.
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starjade
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(8/24/04 10:26 pm)
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Well i think that it is clear that Christians certainly do believe that jesus is that prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up. And that they are prepared to put forwards a great amount of evidence to back up their claims. 
Now i find it odd then that the Muslims Prophet Muhammad should make the claim that the Angel Gabriel had appeared to him in a cave and gave Muhammad a Good squeeze before reciting out to him the verses of what was to become the koran.
And it is further odd that muhammad claims this Angel Gabriel appeared to Muhammad at another Time (so he claims) and proclaims to him that he is that Prophet that god promised Moses he would raise up.
How do Christians account for that claim by Muhammad. ?
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It is further odd in that Muhammad did without doubt believe that jesus was the prophet that Jesus claimed himself to be. But it is clear that Muhammad is unaware that jesus was claiming himself to be that prophet that the Living God promised Moses he would raise up.
And it gets even stranger when the koran which was supposedly narrated by the Angel gabriel. Has 11 chapters in that Koran glorifying Jesus.
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But the plain fact is that muhammad has claimed that he alone is that prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up. And it is claimed that Moses and Isaiah had written about Muhammad and furthermore Muhammad insists that he has fulfilled many of the Prophecies of Moses.
How do Muslims account for that claim made by Muhammad. ?
Edited by: starjade at: 8/24/04 10:27 pm
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iris89
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(8/25/04 2:55 am)
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Response to the Armchair Analyst That All Should Read/Learn
Hi The Armchair Analyst
You obviously do not understand the facts:
FIRST: Spirit beings obviously do not have the sex organs as do humankind as they do NOT have gender, thus your statement, <<"You mean the divine whatsisname actually has a penis and a pair of testicles?">> is in gross error:
SECOND: You are in gross error once more with your uninformed statement, <<"That is a mighty good accomplishment for a guy who don't even exist!">>. Ther is an entire book covering proofs of his existance that all, including you the Armchair Analyst, should read. It is and a source for same is:
"A Philosophical, Scientific and Theological Defense for the Notion That a God Exists?", by Hal Flemings and a source is: www.amazon.com/exec/obido...rsions-20?
And at many major libraries:
THIRD: How He Is The Only-Begotten Son, clearly this is by specific special creation, read the following:
Why is Jesus (Yeshua) called the only begotten Son of God (YHWH) when in reality there are many sons of God (YHWH)? John 1:14 states, "And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us (and we beheld his glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father), full of grace and truth." (ASV); And at John 3:16-18, " For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth on him should not perish, but have eternal life. 17 For God sent not the Son into the world to judge the world; but that the world should be saved through him. 18 He that believeth on him is not judged: he that believeth not hath been judged already, because he hath not believed on the name of the only begotten Son of God." (ASV); And at 1 John 4:9, "Herein was the love of God manifested in us, that God hath sent his only begotten Son into the world that we might live through him." (ASV); now this does not mean that the other created spirit beings were not also God's (YHWH's) sons, as they are also called sons as affirmed at Genesis 6:2, "that the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all that they chose." (ASV); And at job 1:6, "Now it came to pass on the day when the sons of God came to present themselves before Jehovah, that Satan also came among them" (ASV); And at Job 38:4-7, "Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? Declare, if thou hast understanding. 5 Who determined the measures thereof, if thou knowest? Or who stretched the line upon it? 6 Whereupon were the foundations thereof fastened? Or who laid the corner-stone thereof, 7 When the morning stars sang together, And all the sons of God shouted for joy?" (ASV); And at Job 2:1, "Again it came to pass on the day when the sons of God came to present themselves before Jehovah, that Satan came also among them to present himself before Jehovah." (ASV). So what makes Jesus (Yeshua) unique?
He is unique by virtue of his being the only direct creation by Almighty God (YHWH), thus making him different from all others of God's (YHWH's) sons, allof whom were created or begotten by god (YHWH) through that firstborn Son, Jesus (Yeshua). Therefore, Jesus was God's (YHWH) 'only-begotten Son' in a very special sense just as Isaac was Abraham's 'only-begotten son' in a special sense even though he already had a son, Ishamel, but not by his wife Sarah as testified to at Hebrews 11:17, "By faith Abraham, being tried, offered up Isaac: yea, he that had gladly received the promises was offering up his only begotten [son];" (ASV); And at Genesis 16:15, "And Hagar bare Abram a son: and Abram called the name of his son, whom Hagar bare, Ishmael." (ASV).
Of course some will say begotten does not mean create, but they never quantify what it means. They have to consider the facts which are (1) the Bible says at Revelation 3:14, "And to the angel of the church in Laodicea write: These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God:" (ASV); (2) the meaning of the word create which is "To cause to come into existence; originate" [Funk & Wagnalls Standard College Dictionary, ISBN #s 0-308-10309-2 and 0-308-10310-6, and most other standard English dictionaries]; (3) That humans create by means of copulation as did Abraham in the creation or begetting of his son, Isaac, as shown in Hebrews 11:17 and Genesis 16:15, quoted previously; whereas, the Bible makes no mention of a Mrs. God (YHWH). Therefore, God (YHWH) creates differently, obviously, from man. He always existed as shown at Psalms 90:2, "Before the mountains were brought forth, Or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, Even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God. " (ASV); And at Psalms 93:2, "Thy throne is established of old: Thou art from everlasting." (ASV); and at Job 36:26, "Behold, God is great, and we know him not; The number of his years is unsearchable." (ASV); And at 1 Timothy 1:17, "Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, [be] honor and glory forever and ever. Amen." (ASV). Of course another way of looking at the verb beget is to look at its synonyms and its definition which are (1) To procreate; be the father of. (2) To cause to be; occasion [Funk & Wagnalls Standard College Dictionary, ISBN #s 0-308-10309-2 and 0-308-10310-6, and most other standard English dictionaries]. Now that makes it clear one of its meanings is to cause to be same as for create. If that is not clear enough for some, let's consider the definition of its synonym as given above, procreate which means by definition (1) To engender or beget (offspring), (2) To originate; produce; and at its ethnology from Latin, [<L pro-creatus, pp. of procreare <pro - before + creare to create> ] which leaves no doubt that it means to create as does the other synonym, engender which by definition means (1) To cause to exist; give rise to; produce. (2) beget, (3) To come into being; and its ethnology from Latin [<Of, engendrer <L ingenerare to create< in - in + genus, generis race] [Funk & Wagnalls Standard College Dictionary, ISBN #s 0-308-10309-2 and 0-308-10310-6, and most other standard English dictionaries].
Of course some critics say that having been created makes Jesus (Yeshua) inferior, but the Bible shows the exact opposite at Philippians 2:1-11, "If there is therefore any exhortation in Christ, if any consolation of love, if any fellowship of the Spirit, if any tender mercies and compassions, 2 make full my joy, that ye be of the same mind, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind; 3 [doing] nothing through faction or through vainglory, but in lowliness of mind each counting other better than himself; 4 not looking each of you to his own things, but each of you also to the things of others. 5 Have this mind in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6 who, existing in the form of God, counted not the being on an equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7 but emptied himself, taking the form of a servant, being made in the likeness of men; 8 and being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, becoming obedient [even] unto death, yea, the death of the cross. 9 Wherefore also God highly exalted him, and gave unto him the name which is above every name; 10 that in the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of [things] in heaven and [things] on earth and [things] under the earth, 11 and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father." (ASV). Obviously all thinking people should believe the Bible and not accept the opinions of man.
Your Friend in Christ Iris89
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starjade
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(8/26/04 3:09 pm)
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Re: Christians world wide believe Jesus is that prophet.
amarsanghera you say: christian muslim God is Sexist.
Starjade says: It is not about Genda. It is about who can get that job done. Not about Oh we had best send a women or they will start whining. It is just that the only one who could get that Job done is a male. So God knows that in the whole of eternity only one man can do that Job. And that Chosen one just happens to be male.
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starjade
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(8/26/04 4:01 pm)
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Muslims world wide believe Jesus is that prophet.
Hello again Iris.
I was recently in discussions with Muslims regarding the Sura 4:82: Which says. Do they not consider the Koran with care. For if it had came from any other than Allah they would surly they would have found much discrepancy therein. There has been a challenge open to all Muslims and non Muslims that is claimed to have existed for 1400 years for anyone to find any errors or discrepancies in the Koran. Muslims claim the Koran is a perfect book a Holy Book that was sent by God via the angel Gabriel. I was issued that challenge and I gave 21 errors that do exist in the Koran. Muslims have been shirking these errors for centuries.
The Muslims Prophet Muhammad believed in Jesus. And 11 chapters of the Koran glorify Jesus as being the Prophet that Jesus has claimed himself to be. You as a Christian have shown us all that the Prophet that Jesus has claimed himself as being is that very specific Prophet that the Living God promised Moses he would raise up. And every Christian on earth believes that to be true.
Muhammad of the Muslims however has claimed that he alone is that Prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up. And he claims the angel Gabriel told him so. Even though Muhammad also believed Jesus to be that very same Prophet that Jesus has clearly claimed himself to be and Jesus was authenticated by this very same angel Gabriel. .
As a Christian you believe that Jesus is that Prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up. ? And so no Christian on earth would accept that Muhammad was that long awaited Prophet instead and would no doubt think Muhammad must be mad to make such a proclamation about himself claiming himself to be that long awaited Prophet while beliving in Jesus. Who also claims to be that same Prophet.
So when I wrote out Starjades 21 errors in the Koran. I did mention this discrepancy and error in Muhammads beliefs and the Koranic doctrines.
Starjade says: The 4th error in the Koran covers this issue and explains what I think are very serious errors in the Koran. Especially whiles knowing that Muhammad has been claiming himself as being that Prophet while believing in Jesus. From a Christian point of view do you agree that the 4th Error that I have written is a Justified explanation that does show errors in the Koran and in the beliefs of Muhammad.
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Verse 122: The 4th error in the text of the Koran is that it glorifies Jesus and does accept Jesus as being the Prophet that Jesus and his disciples claimed Jesus to be. The writers of the Koran seem blissfully unaware, as are many Muslims, that Jesus has claimed that he was that very Prophet that the living God had promised Moses he would raise up. And Jesus claimed that Moses and Isaiah had been writing about him in their Prophecies, regarding the coming of the living God’s prophesied Prophet because that is who Jesus has claimed himself to be. The Koran contains highly revering text about Jesus and even describes miracles that Jesus was claimed to have performed, Sura 5:110. No less than 11 Chapters of the Koran out of its 114 Chapters mention Jesus and his teachings. So the Koran is confirming the status of Jesus as being that very Prophet that Jesus has claimed himself to be. This is a very serious error from an Islamic point of view whose writers were unaware of the claims that Jesus had been making and of the reflection that claim would have upon the claims of their own Prophet Muhammad. Their glorification of Jesus in the Koran puts Muhammad in a very awkward position with his own proclamations from an Islamic point of view.
Starjade says: Another error I have pointed out that exists in the Koran is the 7th error in the Koran. As a Christian and knowing the Christian beliefs and then hearing this belief of Muslims would you say I am justified in pointing this 7th error out as a Discrepancy. And that the statements made in the Koran could not possibly be true and stand against religious literature and the Claims of the Christians and their beliefs and knowledge of the claims of Jesus. Did Moses at any Time mention Muhammad in his writing and did Isaiah mention the name of Muhammad in his writings. Were either of those Prophets talking about Muhammad. Or is that a mistake in the Koran that could not be true.
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Verse 125: The 7th error in the text of the Koran is this claim that this Angel Gabriel who has been claimed to have appeared to Muhammad in a Cave, had then later told Muhammad that he was that very Prophet that the living God had promised Moses he would raise up. This is who Muhammad is claimed to be. The Koran claims that Moses and Isaiah had been writing about Muhammad in their Prophecies and the Koran goes to some lengths to explain how Muhammad has satisfied those Prophecies of Moses and Isaiah to prove that he was that long awaited Prophet. The Koran is a promotion of their Prophet Muhammad, as being that prophesied Prophet that the living God had promised Moses he would raise up.
Starjade says: And again Iris I have mentioned the 11 th error in the Koran. Would you agree that this is an error or discrepancy that exists in the Koran that shows the Koran and its claims to not be factual.
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Verse 129: The 11th error in the text of the Koran is in this claim that Moses and Isaiah had been writing about Muhammad in their Prophecies. This is not true. Moses and Isaiah did not mention Muhammad at all. Moses and Isaiah were both only speaking about that Prophet that the living God had promised Moses he would raise up. History and the many prophesied Signs in the heavens and Muhammad’s own acts and deeds and Old Testament law which is God’s law shows that it is just not possible for Muhammad to have been that Prophet that Moses and Isaiah had been speaking about in their Prophecies. Which again shows an error in the claims regarding the proclamations of Muhammad.?
Starjade says: And then iris I come to the 18th error in the Koran. Isnt it true that a false Prophet is presumptuous to think that he could speak in God's name and is not in any position to speak with any authority on behalf of the Living God. Do you think this 18 th error is true to its point.
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Verse 136: The 18th error in the text of the Koran is how they persuade its followers to worship a false God that could only be a God of Muhammad’s own imaginations. A false Prophet cannot know or speak on behalf of the living God, because that false Prophet has never encountered the living God, and so that false Prophet is presumptuous to think that he could speak in God's name, and he can only ever speak of his own ideals of what he wants or believes his God to be like. If you follow the false Prophets God then you are worshipping a God of that false Prophets imagination. That is blasphemy to go worshipping a false God and yet the Koran, which is proven not to be the word of God, promotes you to worship a false God of proven false Prophets imaginations. The living God of Abraham and of Moses and of Starjade has said that we must not follow false Prophets or worship false Gods. The Koran again is standing against the actual word of the living God.
Starjade says: And do you agree with me that Muslims are worshipping a false prophet called Muhammad. Whos claims contradict the claims of Jesus.
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iris89
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(8/26/04 4:06 pm)
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Spirit Beings Do Not Have Gender:
Hi Everyone:
Spirit beings do not posess gender, assigning gender to them is only a grammer convention. Some misguided ones try to wrongly show that God's (YHWH's) active force or controlled power is a being because it is spoken of in many Bibles in masculine terms shows a lack of knowledge on the poster's part with respect to most ancient languages and many modern ones such as Italian, Romasch, Spanish, Portugese, etc. which assisn gender to both inaminate items and forces. I suggest this poster check the grammer conventions of any of the Latin based languages in an interlingual dictionary such as the University of Miami English-Spanish Dictionary, published by Editorial america, S.A., Arias, Fabrega Y Fabrega, Edificio Bank of America, Calle 50 Piso 16, Panama 5, Rep. of Panama, and see his error.
Your Friend in Christ Iris89
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starjade
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(8/27/04 5:11 pm)
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God the father and mother and a Holy Ghost
I often speak of the Living God as a He and that the Living white sphere is my father. but that is a way of speaking. For the Living God also gave birth to me and so is also my mother. Yet the Living White sphere is just that and like an Amoeba it can self propagate. But as an offspring I am nothing at all like god except in colour and astral energy of my astral soul.
But then who knows what I may grow into being.
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iris89
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(8/31/04 3:07 am)
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Let's Be Logical:
Hi Everyone
A lot of the absurdity I see on this forum makes me think of something I read awhile back as follows:
Few persons care to study logic, because everybody conceives himself to be
proficient enough in the art of reasoning. But I observe that this satisfaction
is limited to one's own ratiocination, and does not extend to that of other men.
-- Charles Sanders Peirce, [source - "The Fixation of Belief"]
Your Friend in Christ Iris89
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A lot of the absurdity I see on this forum
I agree. To be precise, absurdity of biblical proportions.
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starjade
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Well now you all see why i do not voice out opinions but back my mouth up using Old Testament laws of Deuteronomy Ch 19 v 15. As this is a law that determines the truth then it has been by my side throughout my conversations.
I spoke with a Muslim not long ago who still insists that Jesus did not claim that he was that Prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up. I linked him to this web site. He may not appear as i showed him some errors in the Koran and when he finds he cannot refute those errors he will probably become a shirker like the rest of those Muslims over these religious issues. 
Edited by: starjade at: 8/31/04 2:51 pm
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salaudinnynj
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Re: Let's Be Logical:
as ive already refuted each and every error you claimed was there,ill pose challenge again.dont run.i want to come here tomorrow and see the errors one by one,so i can detsroy them one by one,simply by putting them into their context wich you never bothered to bring.its ok.ill do it for you and embarasss you at the same time.then we get rid of you quiker that way.ok?now for you quoting deut and iris quoting moses.let me show you again that the person writting as if they are moses in bible are indeeed not moses but a third person writting from hearsay.so if i ever catch you starjade or iris quoting a book like if its moses writting it when im proving it isnt,just run or get detsroyed and embarassed.heres the proof its not moses writting it.ok?love you two weaklings.its easy to destroy you two.now....proof.look at both iris and starjade trying to use old moses books to prove whatever nonsense they add on to it...yet it isnt even moses writting it,hahahaha people please just outcast these peoples messages.they are sick.its simple.why bother responding to people who cant accept that which cant be refuted?
heres the proof...
In the first five books of the Bible — Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy — there are more than 700 statements which prove not only that God is NOT the Author of these books, but that EVEN Moses himself had no hand in them. Open these books at random and you will see:
• "And the Lord said unto him. Away, get thee down . . ."
• "And Moses said unto the Lord, the people cannot come. . ."
• "And the Lord said unto Moses, Go on before the people . . ."
• "And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying . . ."
• "And the Lord said unto Moses, Get down, charge the . . ."
It is manifest and apparent that these are NEITHER the Words of God NOR of Moses. They indicate the voice of a third person writing from hearsay.
MOSES WRITES HIS OWN OBITUARY?
Could Moses had been a contributor to his own obituary before his demise? Did the Jews write their own obituaries? "So Moses . . . DIED . . . And he (God Almighty) BURIED HIM (Moses) ... he was 120 years old when he DIED ... And there arose not a prophet SINCE in Israel like unto Moses …" (Deut. 34:5-10
also in greek and hebrew translations showing it isnt moses writting his books in old test.nextttttttttttttttttttttt iris you have been shot down againnnnnnnnnn..starjade,you said you are analien so whats an alien doing quoting old test and using it as criteria to prove the unlegitimacy of quran?lol you lost sj..as ive showed you it isnt even moses writting his books.now where can you run to sj?as far as the errors ive alraedy detsroyed them.i dare you post them and number them.whatever ones.the 27 or 500.lol you dont even know yourself.ill detsroy them again one by one.please make my day.im ready to outcast both you and iris.the nonsense must cease.i rather debate those with no religion then thsoe who claim the have religion yet dont even know it.hahahaha nexttttttttttt
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iris89
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The Sanity of Those Making False Accusations Is Questionable
Hi Everyone
There is one poster that falsely attacks others and makes preposterous claims, see, <<"shes not well rational.she is sick.lol">>. He is just plain igronant misguided individual as this post of his proves on the "The Wonderful Thigs God (YHWH) Provides Us:" thread.
Now he has gone so wacko that he has even made this accusation against me, on yet another thread, <<”a sin is this iris.”>> as everyone knows I am a highly respectable person and not a sin, no one can be a sin, just look at the meaning of the word in any dictionary, thus anyone making such a false charge is both a liar and probably out of his mind.
Some posters attach others and post crazy nonsense, see the following example, "i told you everyone here knew i detsroyed you.i simply usedyour own sources your own book even jesus in your own book contradicting you and that wich you stateon here.give it up and move on.your ilogical nonsense has been exposed.had someone exposed me as you and your bull have been exposedi would run to other forums.pat robertson forums.lol nextttttttttttttt ">>. It is obvious from this post that he has a big problem and does NOT know how to converse with others, note he has the hateful arrogance to state, this is his words, <<"i detsroyed you">> which is the kind of talk a deranged individual uses.
On another thread he actually accused me of being sick, but as you can see this should actually be applied to him as shown by what he writes.
He gets a sadistic thrill apparently in attacking and being extremely insulting and nasty to others.
His claim of refuting others is like his false accusations, just plain false and crazy.
Your Friend in Christ Iris89
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starjade
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Re: Christians world wide believe Jesus is that prophet.
Shirker salaudinnynj you said: as ive already refuted each and every error you claimed was there, ill pose challenge again.dont run. i want to come here tomorrow and see the errors one by one,so i can detsroy them one by one,simply by putting them into their context wich you never bothered to bring.its ok.ill do it for you and embarasss you at the same time. then we get rid of you quiker that way.ok?
Starjade says: Your always doing a lot of bragging and yet we have yet to see you back your mouth up. At least when I speak I do back my mouth up and those revelations have been hard for you to bear. You have not refiuted any of the many errors that exist in the Koran. You demanded errors that had Suras attached so you could go reference them in the Koran. So I downloaded some of those many errors and in amongst those many errors that I downloaded were some other comments of that writer. You ignored the many errors and went for the simple comments of that writer. Totally avoiding all those many errors existing in the Koran. (shirker) then you ran away didn’t you. Shirked away is the proper description. And here you have Gall to come back online with those same rants and lies and think you will do as you have said when you have said that before and you shirked away without backing your mouth up. Don’t you ever learn salaudinnynj those error exist in the Koran. You know that and I know that so it is an impossible task for you or any Muslim on earth to dispute them. And the much loved Lord King Starjade still has 21 errors in the Koran that still stand undisputed world wide.
But at least you came back and did not run away forever. Or Shirking as it is commonly known.
salaudinnynj you say:
now for you quoting deut and iris quoting moses. let me show you again that the person writting as if they are moses in bible are indeeed not moses but a third person writting from hearsay. so if i ever catch you starjade or iris quoting a book like if its moses writting it when im proving it isnt,just run or get detsroyed and embarassed.
Starjade says: I personally do not give a damn who wrote those Testimonies salaudinnynj for that is irrelevant. What matters is the Prophecy that Moses gave to the descendants of Abraham. Now that was Moses giving out Gods Prophecy not some obscure writer.
salaudinnynj you say:
heres the proof its not moses writting it.ok?love you two weaklings.its easy to destroy you two.now....proof.look at both iris and starjade trying to use old moses books to prove whatever nonsense they add on to it...yet it isnt even moses writting it,hahahaha people please just outcast these peoples messages.they are sick.its simple.why bother responding to people who cant accept that which cant be refuted?
Starjade says: Do get on with it. My Time is Taxed. What I missed is this obsession of yours in who wrote those ole (Moses Books) (tee Hee) Moses Books. Hahaha I mean the point in this case is not who the writer of those Testimonies are but the fact that they are an account of that life and that prophecy of Moses. ]
Now as salaudinnynj is a brainwashed vindictive Muslim then he should realise that Mad Muhammad the God and idol of Islam actually used the Prophecy of Moses and all the very same Quotes from the Old testament that I have. So is salaudinnynj trying to say that his self appointed God Prophet mad Muhammad was in error also as is the Koran by mentioning those Prophecies of Moses. This is what makes the matter confusing to me as to who wrote those Old Testament statements.
salaudinnynj you say: heres the proof...
In the first five books of the Bible — Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy — there are more than 700 statements which prove not only that God is NOT the Author of these books, but that EVEN Moses himself had no hand in them. Open these books at random and you will see:
Starjade says: Now just wait a minute. Whats all this about god writing Books. Where have you got that from. Only man can be the ones writing those books inspired by some reason. So we agree God did not write any books (especially the Koran.) The way the Bible was written was as a third person reading a storyline a history of the Jews right or wrong.
salaudinnynj you say:
"And the Lord said unto him. Away, get thee down . . ."
Starjade says: Down Shep down boy:
salaudinnynj you say:
"And Moses said unto the Lord, the people cannot come. . ."
Starjade says: try some Viagra. (tee hee)
salaudinnynj you say:
"And the Lord said unto Moses, Go on before the people . . ."
• "And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying . . ."
• "And the Lord said unto Moses, Get down, charge the . . ."
It is manifest and apparent that these are NEITHER the Words of God NOR of Moses. They indicate the voice of a third person writing from hearsay.
Starjade says: Yes I totally agree. And have you ever noticed the way I write also as a third person. It must be the Holy Ghost in me.
I see your point salaudinnynj and I agree also with that fact. But that does not mean that those words were not being true. Few could write accounts of such things in those days. But still the accounts within of those days are accepted as being true by Judaism and Islam and Christianity. Even though some matters are still debatable especially the New testament. Yet you cannot discount those Testimonies because as a Muslim your entire religion is based on the claims by Muhammad that he satisfied those Testimonies and statements which sprang from Moses. Regarding the coming of the Living Gods Prophet. And some other stuff taken from that text dispite that third person narrative.
salaudinnynj you say:
MOSES WRITES HIS OWN OBITUARY?
Could Moses had been a contributor to his own obituary before his demise? Did the Jews write their own obituaries? "So Moses . . . DIED . . . And he (God Almighty) BURIED HIM (Moses) ... he was 120 years old when he DIED ... And there arose not a prophet SINCE in Israel like unto Moses …" (Deut. 34:5-10
also in greek and hebrew translations showing it isnt moses writting his books in old test.nextttttttttttttttttttttt
Starjade says: I missed where someone said that Moses wrote those books. I have not suggested that he did. Only that he was featured as a main Character of those Old writings. What you have stated is an obvious but what is the point of that observation. Is it your demise to claim then that Moses did not exist. If you think that then explain why Mad Muhammad and jesus kept claiming that they are that specific prophet that Moses said that the Living God would raise up. And all those people believe that account written in that text is true and woe yo lo and behold the Lord king Starjadfe has even proven it true by actually fulfilling that Prophecy whiles proving Jesus and Muhammad are frauds.
salaudinnynj you say:
iris you have been shot down againnnnnnnnnn.. starjade,you said you are an alien so whats an alien doing quoting old test and using it as criteria to prove the unlegitimacy of quran?
Starjade says: I am an Alien resident. I was not born on this planet but I was born at the Core of the Living White Sphere of Kether which lives beyond the Veil of the Abyss in deep space. The Living White Sphere that I came from is the Living God and that Sphere is my father and mother and it gave birth to me. There was no seed no copulation and an account of that Journey can be found in Starjades Journey beyond the Grave.
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Starjade says: I am that prophet that the Living God promised Moses he would raise up. You know the one that third person was speaking about. So I already know Jesus and Muhammad are frauds and pale imitators to my Crown. That matter is indisputable or otherwise I would not be able to say the things I do and walk the walk and talk the talk. You saw with your eyes how easy it is for me to prove jesus and Muhammad are frauds. But in doing that you must see also. And so I quoted Islamic law and it says if something is proven to not be true then it must be rejected as not being true. You saw me invoke that law so have every Muslim I have spoken to.
Now Sura 4:82 says if errors exist in the Koran then that is proof that the Koran did not come from God. That is the sura 4:82 saying that. So it is not a matter of opinions if errors are found in the Koran then it did not come from God and that shows the word and the testimonies of Muhammad are outright proven to be untrue. This matter is indisputable. You can bury your head in the sand but that reality will not go away and you must be a man and face it. Then get a life and move on. Now I have been using the Sura 4:82 and common sense to prove the illegitimacy of quran? And I have proven that the Koran is not a book sent by God and in that fact the word of Muhammad is proven to be untrue.
salaudinnynj you say:
lol you lost sj..as ive showed you it isnt even moses writting his books. now where can you run to sj? as far as the errors ive alraedy detsroyed them.
Starjade says: Your twisted mind is blabberwocking salaudinnynj. You have not proven the errors I have mentioned in the Koran as being untrue. You were not in a position to defend the Koran because those errors do exist in the Koran. Sura 4:82 That is proof the Koran did not come from god. And the word of Muhammad is not true. Neither is this fabricated Angel Gabriel.
So why do you delude yourself that I have lost in any way. I am the King of this apocalyptic Castle and I will be until and beyond the End of Times. Yet look where is Mad Muhammad and Jesus. They have been exposed as being frauds. Pretenders to my throne. I scoff at you and those like you who think you can defend false prophets who are presumptuous to think they could speak in Gods name. History shows already that islam is defenceless against me and has already lost its credibility. I challenged Islam and Islam lost and still loses and now I will not ever let these matters go. So far from hiding away I am moving forwards and I warn you all I can and do eat your religious experts for breakfast. So there will be none of this Salmon Rushdie nonsense with me. In fact I already know that your Imamas would not dare make that accusation of Blasphemy against me. You see there is a law in islam that says if you know something that is not true than you must be unafraid and stand up and state it. The matter will then be discussed and whatever is found to be untrue must be rejected as being untrue. And the sura 4:82 shows the Koran is untrue and Muslims world wide would have no chices as Islamic law says they must convert.
Then there is a Law in the Old Testament Deuteronomy Ch 19 v 15. One witness shall not rise up against a man for any iniquity or for any sin, in any sin that he sinneth: At the mouth of two witnesses, or at the mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be established. This is a witness law that is designed to determine matters of the truth especially about statements that could be deemed as being blasphemous or sinful. It is not a matter for your own personal opinion; even if nobody wanted to believe the evidence that is presented. If that law is fulfilled, then legally it is binding and should stand good according to religious law.
So as you know if I am accused of Blasphemy then that is a Crime of Iniquity and Sin. Deuteronomy Ch 19 v 15 says that I can prove all of my words are true. So your imamas would be making my day by making such an accusation. Why that trial would make good Telly wouldn’t it. After all look at the trial of Jesus and he was accused of blasphemy.
But the Trial of Starjade. Well in my view your religious Preachers are the wise to hold their blasphemous tongues. Because in case you have not noticed I am already well prepared for my defence and if someone says to me are you King of the jews I shall say no I am the Lord King of all those Jews living or dead throughout this Planet. And I shall laugh deep inside because I know as you know as everybody I have spoken to knows. That there is nothing that anyone on earth can do to dispute my words. You see I really am King of the Castle from now and beyond those End of times.
salaudinnynj you say:
i dare you post them and number them.whatever ones.the 27 or 500.lol you dont even know yourself. ill detsroy them again one by one. please make my day. im ready to outcast both you and iris.the nonsense must cease.i rather debate those with no religion then those who claim the have religion yet dont even know it.hahahaha nexttttttttttt
Starjade says: salaudinnynj has flown well and truly over the Cuckoos nest. Sura 4:82 errors in the Koran I have named those errors there and so why are you ignoring them. Must I follow you around re posting those errors in the Koran.
I think that both Iris and myself can live with a Kuffar shirker casting off its spewkle at us. But you only outcast yourself not us. For we are strong posters and to us religion is a way of life and not just a mere hobby.
Speaking of errors I did mention that error in the Koran about Muhammad believing in Jesus. I did mention that the Prophet that Jesus was claiming himself to be along with his disciples and every Christian on earth. Was that Jesus was that Prophet that god promised Moses he would raise up.
And 11 chapters of the Koran glorify Jesus and also claim jesus to be that prophet that Jesus has claimed himself to be. But the writers of the Koran and Muhammad were not aware of the claims of jesus.
They did not realise that jesus was claiming to be that prophet that god had promised Moses he would raise up. And they did not realise that Jesus claimed that Moses and Isaiah had written about him.
The thing is that religious ignorance is astounding as it is clear from The Koran and the history of Muhammad that Muhmammad has claimed himself to be that very specific prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up and Muhammad claimed that Moses and Isaiah had both been writing about Muhammad (not Jesus.) Now how does a Muslim account for that clear discrepancy in the Koran and in the religion of Islam.
You can see here in this thread that Jesus claimed hiself to be that prophet. So why then does the Koran claim Muhammad to be that prophet. Why would Muhammad believe in Jesus being that prophet when he then claims himself to be that Prophet instead. That is a big error that no Muslim can explain away. The only real explanation is that Muhammad did not know that Jesus had claimed that he was that prophet that god promised Moses he would raise up.
Well that would make Muhammad the dumbest claiment to messianic status ever existing. And even then his own Koran Sura 4:82 proves that Muhammads word is not true and the Old Testament law of Deuteronomy Ch 19 v 15. also says none of their Testimonies can be established as being true.
I would like to see an explanation to this serious discrepancy. Muhammad believing in Jesus when jesus has claimed he is that Prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up. Which is that very Prophet that Muhammad has been claiming himself to be. Hahahaha.
Now here is the Sura 4:82. those many errors written on many pages. Let me see you dispute them as you claim.
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Starjade Sees Right Through The Boaster And So Do I:
Hi Everyone
As I said on another thread:
Its wonderful to be a true Christian and not have to defend false beliefs and myths my making false accusations against others; and to have to show extreme intolerance of others as those following 'knock-offs' of the Bible and the counterfeit Christians must do; and who now use nothing but a 'knock-off' from the Bible as a so called Holy Book; Think about setting yourself free from falsehood per John 8:32, "And you shall know the truth: and the truth shall make you free." (Douay Rheims Catholic Bible; DRCB).
I will be glad to assist you in your escape from falsehood into truth. To wit, identify your religion's constraints; decide how to exploit your religion's falsehood constraints; subordinate everything else to your decision to get out of her and your decision to be truly free from falsehood; and a warning, if in the previous steps you have not broken entirely free of your false religion, repeat the previous steps as often as necessary.
Be not like the fully deceived individual who knows I have the truth and falsely attacks me at every opportunity with lies and false accusations as I have shown in the past as follows: [His own words clearly show he has a major problem.:
Some are just plain crazy and do not understand context nor appreciate candor as the truth is not in them. One such type has been falsely accusing me of all kinds of just plain crazy things, See the evidence and my answers to him below.
There is one poster that falsely attacks others and makes preposterous claims, see, <<"shes not well rational.she is sick.lol">>. He is just plain ignorant misguided individual as this post of his proves on the "The Wonderful Things God (YHWH) Provides Us:" thread. This same poster, post old magazines, he has a problem.
Now he has gone so wacko that he has even made this accusation against me, on yet another thread, <<”a sin is this iris.”>> as everyone knows I am a highly respectable person and not a sin, no one can be a sin, just look at the meaning of the word in any dictionary, thus anyone making such a false charge is both a liar and probably out of his mind.
Some posters attach others and post crazy nonsense, see the following example, "i told you everyone here knew i detsroyed you.i simply usedyour own sources your own book even jesus in your own book contradicting you and that wich you stateon here.give it up and move on.your ilogical nonsense has been exposed.had someone exposed me as you and your bull have been exposedi would run to other forums.pat robertson forums.lol nextttttttttttttt ">>. It is obvious from this post that he has a big problem and does NOT know how to converse with others, note he has the hateful arrogance to state, this is his words, <<"i detsroyed you">> which is the kind of talk a deranged individual uses.
On another thread he actually accused me of being sick, but as you can see this should actually be applied to him as shown by what he writes.
He gets a sadistic thrill apparently in attacking and being extremely insulting and nasty to others.
His claim of refuting others is like his false accusations, just plain false and crazy. Here is another crazy claim and also an unwarranted false attack on me that this individual posted on the “Monotheism - Inherently Intolerant?” thread, <<” iris are you that crazy you dont realize we all know you are sick?ive already showed you thru your own book that those who you say wrote what in it arent even the ones writting it.ive showed you the 5 books of moses are not written by moses but by a third person.the same with mathew and otehrs.yet you are saying these people are devinely inspired bygod.lol even the translators of your book admit they are mostly unknowns.parts of the bible that you are thinking are written by someone are actually written by otehrs,otehr then the ones you are acreditting the work to.lol how more bakwards can you get?oh yeah its no translation error.i can pin point that moses and mathew in bible are not written by them.wether its in english or greek.lol where can you run to now?nextttttttttttt”>>. It is plain to see from this that he is the actual sick one and not I as he falsely and uncivilly claims.
Here is more evidence that this individual is both sick and making unprovoked false attacks, <<” see child.i destroy you because you cant refute me when im telling you whats in your book.regardless of the version you wnat to run to.you have no way out.think people here think you have knowledge?wake up.people here know you are not well.i have stated what i have stated using your own book.deal with it.jesus in your own bookkkkk says he came onlyyyyyy unto the lost tribe of israel.are you a sephardic jew?then hush.i am.you talk about nonsense.all you say ,in the end jesus in your own book contradicts youuuuu.not me,he contradicts you,in your book,not mine.hahaha like that?i knew you would.people have seen you get destroyed over and over.you state the same nonsense,about you already answered me.you answered nothing to me or to anyone witha brain.why?because what you say is then contradicted by jesus from your own book.want to contradict jesus words in your corrupted book,thats your business and problem.i merely point it out to you.also we can debate in hebrew or greek since you ramble on and on about texts in greek blah blah.i speak and write both so lets just analize your book in greek if you like.ill show you how half of what you say is mistranslated anyway the rest fabrications.good day loser.i destroy you and starjade 1-2-3.nextttttttttttttttt”>>.
Starjade called it correctly to a "T" when he said of this one, <<"Starjade says: Your twisted mind is blabberwocking salaudinnynj. You have not proven the errors I have mentioned in the Koran as being untrue. You were not in a position to defend the Koran because those errors do exist in the Koran. Sura 4:82 That is proof the Koran did not come from god. And the word of Muhammad is not true. Neither is this fabricated Angel Gabriel.
So why do you delude yourself that I have lost in any way. I am the King of this apocalyptic Castle and I will be until and beyond the End of Times. Yet look where is Mad Muhammad and Jesus. They have been exposed as being frauds. Pretenders to my throne. I scoff at you and those like you who think you can defend false prophets who are presumptuous to think they could speak in Gods name. History shows already that islam is defenceless against me and has already lost its credibility. I challenged Islam and Islam lost and still loses and now I will not ever let these matters go. So far from hiding away I am moving forwards and I warn you all I can and do eat your religious experts for breakfast. So there will be none of this Salmon Rushdie nonsense with me. In fact I already know that your Imamas would not dare make that accusation of Blasphemy against me. You see there is a law in islam that says if you know something that is not true than you must be unafraid and stand up and state it. The matter will then be discussed and whatever is found to be untrue must be rejected as being untrue. And the sura 4:82 shows the Koran is untrue and Muslims world wide would have no chices as Islamic law says they must convert.">>; And, <<"Shirker salaudinnynj you said: as ive already refuted each and every error you claimed was there, ill pose challenge again.dont run. i want to come here tomorrow and see the errors one by one,so i can detsroy them one by one,simply by putting them into their context wich you never bothered to bring.its ok.ill do it for you and embarasss you at the same time. then we get rid of you quiker that way.ok?
Starjade says: Your always doing a lot of bragging and yet we have yet to see you back your mouth up. At least when I speak I do back my mouth up and those revelations have been hard for you to bear. You have not refiuted any of the many errors that exist in the Koran. You demanded errors that had Suras attached so you could go reference them in the Koran. So I downloaded some of those many errors and in amongst those many errors that I downloaded were some other comments of that writer. You ignored the many errors and went for the simple comments of that writer. Totally avoiding all those many errors existing in the Koran. (shirker) then you ran away didn’t you. Shirked away is the proper description. And here you have Gall to come back online with those same rants and lies and think you will do as you have said when you have said that before and you shirked away without backing your mouth up. Don’t you ever learn salaudinnynj those error exist in the Koran. You know that and I know that so it is an impossible task for you or any Muslim on earth to dispute them. And the much loved Lord King Starjade still has 21 errors in the Koran that still stand undisputed world wide.">>. Obviously he attacks me and makes false accusations against me to divert in a sick way attention away from his inadequacies with respect answering Starjade and others. In other words, he abuses me with false accusations and lies to use me as a scapegoat, how sick.
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Re: Starjade Sees Right Through The Boaster And So Do I:
iris backs up starjade proving she herself is also a maniac retard.has to be,since starjade already claimed to be a prophet and an alien.anyone who backs a person like starjade wich claims such things is obviously just as sick and theres no way to get out of it now iris.you backed the looneyest person on the planet now we see where you stand.lol now people of the forum,it was starjade the alien prophet(she claims)that said there were 500 errors in quran.lets see the 500 and how they turned to about 8...lol funny rigth?i mean 8 to 500 is a big big difference.lets now see the 8 again.ive already answered them but shes religiously backwards.no poblem.ill answer these and still demand to see all 500.lol i demand it,since shes the accuser,yet brings only 8,wich arent even contradictions.ok lets get to work.
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1. In sura 2:142-144, we find the change of the Qibla, the direction of prayer from Mecca to Jerusalem, and back to Mecca.
2:142 The fools among the people will say: "What hath turned them from the Qibla to which they were used?" Say: To God belong both east and West: He guideth whom He will to a Way that is straight. 2:143 Thus, have We made of you an Ummat justly balanced, that ye might be witnesses over the nations, and the Apostle a witness over yourselves; and We appointed the Qibla to which thou wast used, only to test those who followed the Apostle from those who would turn on their heels (From the Faith). Indeed it was (A change) momentous, except to those guided by God. And never would God Make your faith of no effect. For God is to all people Most surely full of kindness, Most Merciful 2:144 We see the turning of thy face (for guidance to the heavens: now Shall We turn thee to a Qibla that shall please thee. Turn then Thy face in the direction of the sacred Mosque: Wherever ye are, turn your faces in that direction. The people of the Book know well that that is the truth from their Lord. Nor is God unmindful of what they do. see people?no contradiction or error whatsoever.none.it is self explainnatory with no need to even explain it.starjade needs to read the surah before accusing it of error.where is the error?nowhere.destroyed on first.
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2. The inheritance laws in suras 4:7; & 2:180, provides an equal share for women and men, and then is doubled for men in sura 4:11.
4:7 From what is left by parents and those nearest related there is a share for men and a share for women, whether the property be small or large,-a determinate share .2:180 It is prescribed, when death approaches any of you, if he leave any goods that he make a bequest to parents and next of kin, according to reasonable usage; this is due from the God-fearing.4:11 God (thus) directs you as regards your Children's (Inheritance): to the male, a portion equal to that of two females: if only daughters, two or more, their share is two-thirds of the inheritance; if only one, her share is a half. For parents, a sixth share of the inheritance to each, if the deceased left children; if no children, and the parents are the (only) heirs, the mother has a third; if the deceased Left brothers (or sisters) the mother has a sixth. (The distribution in all cases ('s) after the payment of legacies and debts. Ye know not whether your parents or your children are nearest to you in benefit. These are settled portions ordained by God; and God is All-knowing, Al- wise. as ive said.no error at all.allah makes very plain who shall be rewarded and how.iris do you back her idiotic claims?let me see you say yes please.lol destroyed again starjade.next time read the surah and its context.hahaha
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3. The change of night prayers from a full night in sura 73:2-4, to a half or less, or whatever was easy to do in sura 73:20.
73:2 Stand (to prayer) by night, but not all night,- 73:3 Half of it,- or a little less 73:4 Or a little more; and recite the Qur'an in slow, measured rhythmic tones. 73:20 Thy Lord doth know that thou standest forth (to prayer) nigh two-thirds of the night, or half the night, or a third of the night, and so doth a party of those with thee. But God doth appoint night and day in due measure He knoweth that ye are unable to keep count thereof. So He hath turned to you (in mercy): read ye, therefore, of the Qur'an as much as may be easy for you. He knoweth that there may be (some) among you in ill-health; others travelling through the land, seeking of God's bounty; yet others fighting in God's Cause, read ye, therefore, as much of the Qur'an as may be easy (for you); and establish regular Prayer and give regular Charity; and loan to God a Beautiful Loan. And whatever good ye send forth for your souls ye shall find it in God's Presence,- yea, better and greater, in Reward and seek ye the Grace of God: for God is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. please all people of the forum show me where there is an error.hahah allah u akbar.allah explains it so perfectly its illogical for me to even explain it after he decreed it,his will.where are the so called errors starjade?anyone here see any?again destroyed.
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4. The change of punishment for adulteresses, beginning with life imprisonment, found in sura 4:15, and then changed to 100 strokes by flogging, according to sura 24:2. Remember that these two examples make no mention of the previous 'missing' aya which prescribes the stoning for those who commit adultery. It is also interesting to note that Homosexuals were let off if they repented, according to sura 4:16, though this same allowance was not given for heterosexuals.
4:15 If any of your women are guilty of lewdness, Take the evidence of four (Reliable) witnesses from amongst you against them; and if they testify, confine them to houses until death do claim them, or God ordain for them some (other) way. 24:2 The woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication,- flog each of them with a hundred stripes: Let not compassion move you in their case, in a matter prescribed by God, if ye believe in God and the Last Day: and let a party of the Believers witness their punishment. 4:16 If two men among you are guilty of lewdness, punish them both. If they repent and amend, Leave them alone; for God is Oft-returning, Most Merciful. i see gods perfect justice.if you see error is because you are insane or just a plain she devil starjade alien.no error again.i find perfect sense in allahs judgement concerning these examples.seems starjade doesnt ever read the quran.
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5. The change of the retaliation laws where retaliation for the crime (murder) was confined to people of equal rank (i.e. slave for slave) in sura 2:178, then it was to be carried out only against the murderer by the heir, sura 17:33 (note: Ali adds Qisas and forgiving to the Arabic).
starjade is a silly fool.i dont even know why i bother discrediting you.if any even bother looking up what you are alleging is an error they will surely see that quran is the book of god.2:178 O ye who believe! the law of equality is prescribed to you in cases of murder: the free for the free, the slave for the slave, the woman for the woman. But if any remission is made by the brother of the slain, then grant any reasonable demand, and compensate him with handsome gratitude, this is a concession and a Mercy from your Lord. After this whoever exceeds the limits shall be in grave penalty. 17:33 Nor take life - which God has made sacred - except for just cause. And if anyone is slain wrongfully, we have given his heir authority (to demand qisas or to forgive): but let him nor exceed bounds in the matter of taking life; for he is helped (by the Law). absolutly no contradiction,no error ,just gods laws.and how beautiful are allahs decrees,may i just say.allah u akbar.another refuted again.
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6. The change of the days of creation from 6 (7:54; 25:59) to 8 (41:9- 12).
:54 Your Guardian-Lord is God, Who created the heavens and the earth in six days, and is firmly established on the throne (of authority): He draweth the night as a veil o'er the day, each seeking the other in rapid succession: He created the sun, the moon, and the stars, (all) governed by laws under His command. Is it not His to create and to govern? Blessed be God, the Cherisher and Sustainer of the worlds! 41:9 Say: What! do you indeed disbelieve in Him Who created the earth in two periods, and do you set up equals with Him? That is the Lord of the Worlds. 41:10 And He made in it mountains above its surface, and He blessed therein and made therein its foods, in four periods: alike for the seekers. 41:11Then He directed Himself to the heaven and it is a vapor, so He said to it and to the earth: Come both, willingly or unwillingly. They both said: We come willingly. 41:12 So He ordained them seven heavens in two periods, and revealed in every heaven its affair; and We adorned the lower heaven with brilliant stars and (made it) to guard; that is the decree of the Mighty, the Knowing. no error at all.maybe if you readin araic you would shut up already.its obvious you ant even read.no error no discrepancy .again refuted.where did you get 8 from?can you read in arabic?if so lets write to each other in arabic from now on.your wicked ways are useless.theres no errors in the quran.destroyed again.
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7. The change of the hierarchy of prophets, where they were initially equal (suras 3:84;2:285;2:136) and then some are elevated above the others, sura 2;253 (see Ali's note:289).
3:84 Say: "We believe in God, and in what has been revealed to us and what was revealed to Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and in (the Books) given to Moses, Jesus, and the prophets, from their Lord: We make no distinction between one and another among them, and to God do we bow our will (in Islam)." 2:285 The Apostle believeth in what hath been revealed to him from his Lord, as do the men of faith. Each one (of them) believeth in God, His angels, His books, and His apostles. "We make no distinction (they say) between one and another of His apostles." And they say: "We hear, and we obey: (We seek) Thy forgiveness, our Lord, and to Thee is the end of all journeys." 2:253 Those apostles We endowed with gifts, some above others: To one of them God spoke; others He raised to degrees (of honour); to Jesus the son of Mary We gave clear (Signs), and strengthened him with the holy spirit. If God had so willed, succeeding generations would not have fought among each other, after clear (Signs) had come to them, but they (chose) to wrangle, some believing and others rejecting. If God had so willed, they would not have fought each other; but God Fulfilleth His plan. destroyed bad.see,we muslims,mere mortals do not make distinctions between prophets as christians do euquating jesus as the highest,even above moses and abraham and adam and lot,thats the christians positions.now yo starjade have said you werent a christian then just recently said you were.as you know in christianitty like iris follows christ is the biggest prophet and son of god. we muslims dont make that distinction.where is the error retard?did you not read that the first examples you gave was we muslims dont make the distinction and your against example merely proved us rigth,because in 2-253 it says godddddd not muslims,but god makes that distinction.see stupid?good.no error again.lol nextttttttttttttsee what happens when you try to ut the context?you lose.destroyed again.
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8. The changes in intercession; at first done by angels and Muhammad (suras 42:5; 24:62), and then were not acceptable to Allah (suras 74:48; 63:5; 34:23).
42:5 The heavens are almost rent asunder from above them (by Him Glory): and the angels celebrate the Praises of their Lord, and pray for forgiveness for (all) beings on earth: Behold! Verily God is He, the Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful 24:62 Only those are believers, who believe in God and His Apostle: when they are with him on a matter requiring collective action, they do not depart until they have asked for his leave; those who ask for thy leave are those who believe in God and His Apostle; so when they ask for thy leave, for some business of theirs, give leave to those of them whom thou wilt, and ask God for their forgiveness: for God is Oft- Forgiving, Most Merciful. 74:48 Then will no intercession of (any) intercessors profit them 63:5 And when it is said to them, "Come, the Apostle of God will pray for your forgiveness", they turn aside their heads, and thou wouldst see them turning away their faces in arrogance 34:23 "No intercession can avail in His Presence, except for those for whom He has granted permission. So far (is this the case) that, when terror is removed from their hearts (at the Day of Judgment, then) will they say, 'what is it that your Lord commanded?' they will say, 'That which is true and just; and He is the Most High Most Great'." either you are wicked devil or plain dumb,maybe both.read up.allah explains no one can intercede unless he allows it.are you slow?retraded?you have to be.destroyed again.
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9. The Sword verses: the Call to "fight and slay the pagan (idolaters) wherever you find them" (sura 9:5); or "strike off their heads in battle" (sura 47:5); or "make war on the unbeliever in Allah, until they pay tribute" (sura 9:29); or "Fight then... until the religion be all of it Allah's" (sura 8:39); or "a grievous penalty against those who reject faith" (sura 9:3). These all contradict "There is no compulsion in religion" (sura 2:256).
i dont even have to go getthe surah in its context for this one.its self explanatory stupid.see theres no compulsion in religion means just that.figth and slay the idolaters is about the time muhammed was persecuted and had to figth them off.his own tribe he had to figth.in those times the arabs were the sickest pagans and most barbaric.they seen muhammeds way as an obstacle to their way,and prosperity.they wanted to kill him and whoever followed a decent way wich is what allah gave to muhammed.he had to figth back to defend himself.his enemies were many many.he had to dfened himslef by figthing them back.here ill put them in their context because you are a idiot alien.9:28 O ye who believe! Truly the Pagans are unclean; so let them not, after this year of theirs, approach the Sacred Mosque. And if ye fear poverty, soon will God enrich you, if He wills, out of His bounty, for God is All-knowing, All-wise. 9:29 Fight those who believe not in God nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by God and His Apostle, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. get it?they were being persecuted.now concerning theres no compulsion in religion..hahaha he wasnt going door to door choppin heads to make people convert stupid..i have ameeting ill be back in an hour to destroy the rest.i willdestroy them all easily as usual.bring the 500 already.
10 .Sura 2:184 first allows a rich man to buy himself out of the fast by feeding an indigent. The following verse (185) allows no compensation.
11. Widows were to keep themselves apart for 4 months and 10 days after their husband's death (sura 2:234), which is then changed to one year (2:240).
12. Sura 2:106 contradicts sweeping changes which follow: in the Qibla (vss.115,177,124-151), pilgrimage rites (vs.158), dietary laws (vss.168-174) law of talio (vss.178-179), in bequests (vss.180-182), the fast (vss.182-187), and the pilgrimage again (vss.196-203).
13. Sura 16:101 contradicts changes which follow in dietary laws (vss.114-119), and in the Sabbath laws (vs.124).
14. Muhammad will not forget the revelations which Allah gives him (sura 87:6-7), is then changed to withdrawing that which Allahs wills to withdraw (i.e. revelations) (17:86).
15. Allah commits himself as law to act mercifully, which implies cause and effect (sura 6:12), yet later in the same sura we find that "If Allah willed, he could have brought them all together to the guidance... Whom Allah will he sendeth astray, and whom he will he placeth on a straight path" (vss. 35 & 39).
16. Concerning predestination, in sura 57:22 we find the words, "No evil befalls on the earth, nor on your own souls but it is in a book before We bring into existence." And in sura 76:29-31 it says, "..whosoever will may choose a way unto his Lord, Yet ye will not, unless Allah willeth... He maketh whom He will to enter His mercy..." Both of these contradict sura 42:30, which states, "Whatever of misfortune striketh you, it is what your right hands have earned."
17. In sura 5:82, Pagans and Jews are considered the furthest from Muslims, while Christians are the nearest, yet in sura 5:51 & 57 Muslims are told not to have Christians as friends. Interestingly, in the same verse (51) it comments that Jews and Christians are friends, yet the only thing they have in common is their agreement on the authenticity of the Old Testament.
18. Muhammad was the first to bow down to Allah (i.e. the first Muslim) (sura 6:14,164; 39:12). Yet these passages forget that Abraham, his sons and Jacob were former Muslims (sura 2:132) as were all the earlier prophets (sura 28:52-53), and Jesus' disciples (3:52).
19. Allah curses all liars, yet permits Muhammad to break an oath (sura 66:1-2), and though Allah alone may be worshipped, he demands Satan and the angels to worship Adam, with the result that Satan is eternally punished because he refused to do so (sura 2:32).
20. An abrogation evidenced by Muslims today is the claim that the Bible (which they admit is a revealed book) has been altered and corrupted. Yet sura 10:65 reads, "There is no changing in the Words of Allah," and sura 6:33,34 reads, "There is none that can alter the decisions (revelations) of Allah."
21. In sura 17:101 we find 9 plagues (or signs), whereas in sura 7:133 only 5 are listed (note Ali's footnote no.1091 which adds the rod and leprous hand from verses 107 and 108, as well as the drought and short crops of verse 130 as plagues, to make up the nine).
22. In sura 51:57 we find that Jinn were created to worship Allah, yet in sura 7:176 we find that the Jinn were created for Hell.
23. In sura 17:103 we are told that Pharaoh was drowned with his army, yet in sura 10:90-92, upon admitting to the power of God, he is rescued as a sign to others.
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iris89
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I Back Facts No Matter Who Post Them:
Hi Everyone
One sick poster posted this nonsense, <<"iris backs up starjade proving she herself is also a maniac retard">>.
I back him only about you as he has your number perfectly. Are you trying to say it takes a maniac to recognize another or some other equally sick thing with your long rampage and rambling?
Your rampage attacks on others such as Starjade, Dougg, myself, and others are not appreciated nor in keeping with civil discussion.
Your Friend in Christ Iris89
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salaudinnynj
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of course you are a maniac,dougg and starjade..look at this.starjade says shes aprophettttt?and an alien?dougg backs illegal state of israel when torah forbids a state of israel until coming of messiah.messiah was jesus and most ther dont believe in him so shouldnt be there.then worst even is it was promised to descendents of abraham,abraham was from iraq,his first son ishamel father of arabs and second son isaac is the father of sephardic jews,like me.majority of israel is white whith no ancestry to original heberews and therefore their claim to that land is false and void,so yes douggis a sicko.as fro you we know you are sick.cant explain not even contradiction.your scholars and what you sttae here is coontradicted by jesus in your own book.you can bring john,mathew,paul saying what you like fact is jesus contradicts them too.lolnow go to post up aove and explain why you said drinking is not good but accepted in moderation.yet noah and lot were obvious drunkards(god forbid)according to your book wich is corrupted.noah gets drunk and naked in front of his kids,his kids cover him and he curses his kids ,kids?lot gets drunks sleeps with his daugthers?explain those two.you wont because you cant.you got caugth contradicting your own stated convictions.nextttttt by the way im going to really embarass you from now on.i was going easy on you but ill start new threads just on your contraditions,then your books.ok?great seeing you here again.nextttttt
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creativeuser
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Re: Discourse on Moses Foretold the Coming of Jesus (Yeshua)
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starjade
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(9/3/04 6:43 pm)
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Starjades Revealtions show Islam has fallen.
Shirker salaudinnynj you said: of course you are a maniac,dougg and starjade..look at this.starjade says shes aprophettttt?and an alien?
Starjade says: Above these statements are errors in the Koran that the Shirker salaudinnynj says he cannot find (so he can shirk replying to them) Now if I was a loony then how come I easily back my mouth up using Old Testament and Islamic Religious laws and the Sura 4:82. How come you shirk the reply to those many errors I have shown exist in the Koran. Do you think those words will change because of your pathetic attempts of slander. Answer my Question you shirking Kuffar grunt Shirker salaudinnynj do those errors exist in the Koran let me see you refute them. And when you answer if ever you do. Remind yourself that I invoked Islamic law and the Sura 4:82 and the Sura 4:82 says if one error is found in the Koran then that is proof that the Koran did not come from God. And that also proves for a fact and by Islamic law that the word of Muhammad is not true.
So Kuffar Shirker salaudinnynj I am a lot smarter than you will ever be and smater than every Muslim on earth and all because I have a religious education and am a Shepherd not a sheep.
Shirker salaudinnynj you say:
dougg backs illegal state of israel when torah forbids a state of israel until coming of messiah.
Starjade says: You know Shirker salaudinnynj this is the first sensible thing I have ever heard you say; I have also pointed out that the word Jew means a displaced people who have no home no true land until the arrival of the Living Gods Prophet who will gather them up from the four corners of the Globe and lead them all to that New promised Land. They are a displaced people. They have no true homeland until they arrive on that New promised Land which will be in the south eastern atlantic basin next to Africa in that apocalyptic future. The current lands of Israel are just temporary until a time indefinite. And that Time is now. The Jews always knew they would have to Exodus from the four corners of the Globe and their entire religion is based on the belief and the faith of those future Times. And now those End of Times are near.
I have already insisted that the jews sell of the current lands of Israel. As I am the one who tends to those needs of those chosen people be sure I could have convinced the Muslims to give up the whole of N Africa in exchange for the current lands of Israel which are too small for my apocalyptic projects for the Future. It still staggers me the logic of jews is a bit waned. If all jews Exodus from the four corners of the Globe they sure as Hell cannot fit within the borders of the present land of Israel. Hey their Property alone would outreach those Borders and so my pland for the exodus meant the present land of Israel as well. They did not like that plan but it was my place to make such plans and not theirs. Oh well that is another story in the life of the Much loved Lord king Starjade.
Shirker salaudinnynj you just said:
messiah was jesus and most ther dont believe in him so shouldnt be there.then worst even is it was promised to descendents of abraham,
Starjade says: Now let us take this slowly Jackasses are not just Mules for sarah.
Shirker salaudinnynj you have just said that the Messiah is Jesus. I heard you deny that at another time. You see to the real Jew. The Messiah is that prophet that the Living God promised Moses he would raise up. That is who the Messiah is. According to the Jews religious beliefs that Messiah was not Jesus.
But according to the religious beliefs of Christians. They all believe Jesus is that very Prophet that the Living God had promised Moses he would raise up. That is who Jesus claimed himself to be and so did his disciples. In fact to this day all Christians believe Jesus is that Prophet that god promised Moses he would raise up and that is how Jesus got the named title of the Messiah. Because Jesus and the Christians all claim Jesus is that prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up.
Now remind yourself that we are on a religious forum and we all have some religious knowledge (even maybe you someplace hidden.)
Now isn’t is a fact that you have claimed that Muhammad of the Muslims is that prophet that God promised Moses he would raise up. Didn’t I hear you insist that too me. And isn’t it a fact that Muhammad has claimed that he alone is that prophet that God had promised Moses he would raise up. And isn’t it a fact that Muhammad claims as does the Koran that Moses was writing about Muhammad in that prophecy that God gave to Moses and isn’t it a fact that Muhammad claims also that Isaiah had written about Muhammad as Muhammad has claimed himself to be that messiah by claiming that he was the fulfilment of the Living Gods Prophecy that God gave to Moses. And isn’t it a fact that Muhammad insists as does Islam and the Koran that Muhammad was that specific Prophet.
So then how can you say now that jesus is that messiah because that coming messiah is that prophet that the Living God promised Moses he would raise up and there is only one Chosen one.
Shirker salaudinnynj you say:
abraham was from iraq,his first son ishamel father of arabs and second son isaac is the father of sephardic jews,like me.majority of israel is white whith no ancestry to original heberews and therefore their claim to that land is false and void,so yes douggis a sicko.as fro you we know you are sick.
Starjade says: But are those white skinned jews Jews. Are they descendants of Abraham if so wake up to the fact that they are Jews just like you and stop being racist. Think instead of how the Living God wanted things to be. One nation one people. I thought it was silently funny to sell the land of Israel to the Muslims when those Muslims would be mostly Arabs and also Jews and in case they also are riddled with stupidity they are also bound by Abrahams covenant and would eventually have to exodus also.
Shirker salaudinnynj you say:
by the way im going to really embarass you from now on. i was going easy on you but ill start new threads just on your contraditions, then your books.ok? great seeing you here again.nextttttt
Starjade says: Kuffar Shirker salaudinnynj you should waken up to the fact that you have me on your back. So whiles you open new threads I will link them to the sura 4:82 and continue to moan at you for Shirking Islamic law and those Many errors in the Koran. Before you go harassing anyone be sure I intend haunting you until you reply to every error in the Koran that I have mentioned. You are a shirking when you should be defending your Islamic beliefs that have taken a serious battering from starjade.
What are you going to do when Christians and Jews all start talking about the Sura 4:82 and those many yes many errors existing in the Koran. What are you going to do when they invoke Islamic law (eeek) and they say in Islam there is a law that says if you know something that is not true then you must be unafraid and stand up and state it. The matter will then be discussed and whatever is found to be true will be accepted as being true and whatever is found to be false will be rejected as being false.
What are you going to do when they all start talking about those errors in a public forum and those laws in a public forum what are you going to do when Islamic law insists that Muslims convert away from the religion of Islam because its laws demand it and its Sura 4:82 proves the Koran did not come from God as the Muslims have claimed. And when that conclusion is realised what are you going to do when they start saying the word of Muhammad is proven to be untrustworthy and in fact not true. And you Shirker of islam have been unable to defend islam and you sure as hell know just as well as I do that no Muslim on this Planet is in any position to defend itself against my revelations or from me. I personally think before you go making any threats that you should tend to your own business first for you are making enemies of those who appose you and they have the ammunition to destroy your Kuffar Shirking ass once and for all. Islam has fallen and so be very wary of your own crusade.  
Edited by: starjade at: 9/3/04 6:45 pm
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salaudinnynj
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Well now you all see why i do not voice out opinions but back my mouth up using Old Testament laws of Deuteronomy Ch 19 v 15
looks like you backed it up using some scribes bull because deut isnt moses writting it at all.lol destroyed....In the first five books of the Bible — Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy — there are more than 700 statements which prove not only that God is NOT the Author of these books, but that EVEN Moses himself had no hand in them. Open these books at random and you will see:
• "And the Lord said unto him. Away, get thee down . . ."
• "And Moses said unto the Lord, the people cannot come. . ."
• "And the Lord said unto Moses, Go on before the people . . ."
• "And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying . . ."
• "And the Lord said unto Moses, Get down, charge the . . ."
It is manifest and apparent that these are NEITHER the Words of God NOR of Moses. They indicate the voice of a third person writing from hearsay.
MOSES WRITES HIS OWN OBITUARY?
Could Moses had been a contributor to his own obituary before his demise? Did the Jews write their own obituaries? "So Moses . . . DIED . . . And he (God Almighty) BURIED HIM (Moses) ... he was 120 years old when he DIED ... And there arose not a prophet SINCE in Israel like unto Moses …" (Deut. 34:5-10).
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