| SFX We had a huge argument about this 007. You got you're facts wrong. The "Show Cause" letter clearly spelt out the reasons why PBDS was deregistered for the first time. If you googled this on the Internet, you will find a wealth of information there, unfortunately, since you do not have the financial backup (like I do, am a premium card carrying member of Malaysia Kini, access to all archives heheheh ), then I am afraid that you're engaging in some outright mendacious plot (like the State BN ) or you suffer a case of severe self deception . Anyway, i am not going to tread down this path, suffice to say our little guerilla war in ST and RR inflamed the situation, . To me it's all water under the bridge, and I belief PRS supporters such as yourselves, find life in the new Party difficult. Also, there is a lot of manouvreing going on in your boat (between the Sng's and Masing's, according to my pretty little spy there ) . I suppose that is why you need the rest of the Ex PBDS there to back up your support, betul magang ??? Either way, the less you pronounce on the "PRS" subject , the better it is. I assume you want Salang, us and gang back in your fold ??? Am I right or Am I right ??? Akai,...like I said 007 , best to start from scratch and let the rest of us move on with our lives. PRS need to do a tremendous amount of work to rebuild their credibility, and once you've achieved this , 10-15 years down the line (if PRS survives that long) , you would have realised that negotiations in PBDS or outright acceptance of Tajem's authority would have been a far better option. As for me, well, I'll be around. I am not too keen on revealing more about myself hehehehehe Suffice to say the Tuai Rumah and his gang are tracking down my details hehehehe |
| OO7 Finally, SFX, it confirmed my fear that you're the same SFX I had to deal with so painfully in Sarawak Talk and Randau Ruai not long ago. Obviously we need not talk about the subject any further for we both have very stubborn head and that we only believe what we want to believe. Let me tell you this, I hope you can take it as word of encouragement or condolences from me:> "Being pro-Tajem don't make you opposition just as being Muslim don't make you terrorist" - by James anak Bond, Sarawak Talk. Self-deception??? Man, I like that word. Being a generous man I am, I return your kindness with another word "self-delusion". Here let me point out for you why you continue to remind me of Daniel Tajem. He assumes a lot before the PBDS deregistration; after deregistration, he assumes a lot, except this time he doesn't have a party. " If you googled this on the Internet, you will find a wealth of information there, unfortunately, since you do not have the financial backup (like I do, am a premium card carrying member of Malaysia Kini, access to all archives ". Financial backup? Oh SFX I thought you were more clever than to assume you can look into one's bank account simply by reading his post.... and to assume that one doesn't subscribe to Malaysia Kini because he doesn't have the financial backup to access their archives. But I think the saddest fact about the statement you made was your fantasy that Malaysia Kini is such a luxury that no ordinary people can become premium card carrying member. I say that's a waste of money, especially when you can always read what Malaysia-Kini-premium-card-carrying-members post in free online forum such as Sarawak Talk and Randau Ruai almost daily (still I don't think writer Tony Thien can give you all the information. He might have gotten some info from local reporters.... now that's third hand information). Try spending on magazines like National Geographic or Reader's Digest. "...and I belief PRS supporters such as yourselves, find life in the new Party difficult. Also, there is a lot of manouvreing going on in your boat.... " You know why your mom tells you not to ASSUME? It only makes an ASS out of U and ME. Now let me refresh the quote I made earlier and tune it a little to fit my point here.... "Being a pro-Masing don't make you PRS supporter just as being Malaysia Kini premium card carrying member don't make you rich." I like the PBDS Masing. He's a different man altogether after becoming PRS Masing. PBDS should still be there, Tajem should lead the party and Masing should be his deputy. Why I hate Tajem? Because he's entrusted with the job to captain the team but instead of strenghtening the party he led the party to destruction. I hold Tajem responsible for that PBDS deregistration. I say I hate him just as much as I would hate Alan Vest when Bujang Senang lose the game. Even Donald Trump would contemplating on firing the project manager when the team lose. My issue is more on the moral, SFX..... what happen after the deregistration, that's a different story altogether. You just wait till another party is deregistered; we can talk again about whose fucking fault was that .... and not necessarily this time I oppose you. " Either way, the less you pronounce on the "PRS" subject , the better it is. I assume you want Salang, us and gang back in your fold ??? Am I right or Am I right ??? " YES, you ASSUME " I am not too keen on revealing more about myself hehehehehe Suffice to say the Tuai Rumah and his gang are tracking down my details ". Tracking you down??? Well, that wraps it up for us, you're deluding yourself. Your 'speech' was OK what. Why? Something wrong with it??? 'Double-meaning' again??? Please, SFX, don't shed bad light on the TR. Maybe he's completely innocent. Maybe he's pro-Tajem too. Why don't you ASSUME that instead. |
| SFX Hello there 007, we meet yet again ??? I have my own vested interest in seeing PRS come apart in turmoil, but that's a separate project for sometime in the far away future. Hopefully with your help, I am sure we could contribute to this. Agreed, I note your somewhat irked about those"delusions", however take it as a bitter pill, we (I should depersonalise the We, however, since there is a large number of us) Ex PBDS know our positions well, and personally I'd rather move on to more interesting issues at hand then engage in bitter acrimony about the wherefores, the whys, the what ifs of PBDS. It's good to note that once upon a time a long time ago, I shook hands with your camp and we were colleagues, but that is a history now., and we've hopefully put aside our differences there. My card carrying membership of Malaysia Kini....ooooopsss, I keep forgetting that I generously post Tony Thien's articles in Randau Ruai, I don't believe in keeping it all for myself, which reminds me, it's best to be humble than flaunt your wealth, hence my beatup Landcruiser Another thing, please could you not do as ATM does, and highlight whatever I've written, prior to inserting your comments there, its soooooooooo a form 6 habit, I am not saying you're inferior, just that ATM's technique is predictable and ......boring. I would be grateful if you could reply para by para as opposed to employing ATM's style. You will see your writing improve by leaps and bounds Seeing that you're employed in the Prime Minister's Cabinet (Communications Directorate), could you please post some more interesting items in Rumah Panjai like copies of submissiions/briefings about issues affecting Sarawakians. It might be a CBT but I am sure, together we could find some way to circumvent that law. Your new neighbour in Rumah Panjai |
| OO7 Sorry to disappoint you, my friend, but I feel comfortable writing in this style -- highlighting target point in one's article -- which we form six people find quite approriate especially when rebuking critical details in one boring article especially when the writer continue to beat around the bush and putting in quite an effort to impress the readers with his good command of English rather than the facts of the case I love reading ATM's posts... we can feel the umpppphhhh ! in his writing. Hey!!! don't get me wrong, I don't say I don't like reading your articles. Your style of writing is OK, except that you need to stop making it sound like you're presenting a paper at DUN meeting. Am sure not many of us here can wait for you to arrive at the 'ISI CERITA' as patiently as Honourable Speaker Asfia |
| Selene Isn't all these show both sides were to blame?...now let someone explain to me what was the motive of any possible outside plot( as alleged by some people), to split the party using the two factions, from what I understand so far, PBDS was in the coalition with the governing party...was there really any chance PBDS grasping the power for the dayak at that time or the future?... If there was such a plot, why didn't the individuals involved, the smart Tajem for example, suspect what was happening and stop it from exploding to what it was?... What I don't understand is that why it was seemed/deemed necessary for both sides to stick to their own agenda no matter what happened?...why couldn't there been a compromise?...I just cannot see why the people involved were not able to discuss and resolve the matter without having to break up the party?...why didn't the party members kick all the individuals involved, scarifice them for the sake of the party?...were there no one else strong enough in the party to have thought and carried that out?... From what I read in your post James, the party system itself was flawed for it emphasied the importance of individuals, politic of personality, which mean the successes and failures of party depends too much on the existence of certain individuals. It shojuld not be the case if a party wish to be a able to stay long enough not only to win several elections, but ultimately to hold power. The party should stand strong and big enough that individuals themselves do not matter and not a single person is indispensable. That is the only way forward, this will avoid the PBDS problem and also avoid the party itself being corrupted and be bought to serve outside interest. But I like to hear more from all who have better knowledge on what happened. Oh James, do you think PRS actually has any chance at all of persuading the Dayak to trust them as they did PBDS?...From what I know PRS is headed by the Masing faction, so what happened to the Tajem faction?.... And SFX, you seemed to suggest what 007 told us were not quite accurate, what is your version of the events?...any chance of sharing it with us?... |
| SFX As for my more thorough academic rendition I am afraid you'll have to put up with it, of course, any shithead self confessed anal retentive like ATM can respond to my criticiscms like a maddened pitbull on Viagra, however she missed the point on more than one occasion when I last argued with her ! It's ok to goad your enemy, but to abandon subtlety is to paralyse subterfuge !!!! And you appear to know more about subterfuge and mendacity than most Don't worry boy hehehhehe, I'd rather bore you to death with my riposte, it's not everyday you meet someone who commands an absolute authority over the use of English as yourself I am sure you could recommend Rojak for my use but I'd rather not, thanks |
| SFX Selene, The PBDS topic remains a "hot issue". We could spend whole weeks debating it, but I feel we need a proper discussion on this. Often some people choose to put a slant on one interpretation of what took place, and they not only end up believing it altogether, but they actively engage in poor misinformation sorties on places like RR and ST !! I feel, without full disclosure from the Ministry of Home Affairs and the RoS, we are left perilously close to speculation 007, nice approach, you're improving |
| OO7 Quote Selene: Isn't all these show both sides were to blame?...now let someone explain to me what was the motive of any possible outside plot( as alleged by some people), to split the party using the two factions, ... allegation that there were 'invisible hands' behind the deregistration of PBDS is AFTERTHOUGHT, AFTERTHOUGHT, and AFTERTHOUGHT, after the PBDS was eventually deregistered. It's typical of us Dayak, I guess, bila kalah main bol alu lah madah referee ya buyok, berat sebelah, sik adil. Some quarters really had exploited this sentiment and consoled their followers that they failed because somebody in high office don't want to see dayak maju dalam politik. It's trick lapuk, don't you think? Quote Selene: If there was such a plot, why didn't the individuals involved, the smart Tajem for example, suspect what was happening and stop it from exploding to what it was?... That's exactly was my question, Selene. Even if it's true somebody is playing a game on us, why can't we play it safe? That's why I blame Tajem. He's the team captain. His team kalah teruk sampai tiang gol pun terbang di asak lawan!!! and off course any Alan Vests would question the captain for the poor show. We wouldn't ask captain-wannabe Masing why the team out of form that day, would we??? Quote Selene: What I don't understand is that why it was seemed/deemed necessary for both sides to stick to their own agenda no matter what happened?...why couldn't there been a compromise?...I just cannot see why the people involved were not able to discuss and resolve the matter without having to break up the party?...why didn't the party members kick all the individuals involved, scarifice them for the sake of the party?...were there no one else strong enough in the party to have thought and carried that out?... Compromise they did, in a way that each factions had their own TDC, president, party line-up..... that's FAIR lah!!! but the ROS not impressed. Quote Selene: From what I read in your post James, the party system itself was flawed for it emphasied the importance of individuals, politic of personality, which mean the successes and failures of party depends too much on the existence of certain individuals. It shojuld not be the case if a party wish to be a able to stay long enough not only to win several elections, but ultimately to hold power. The PBDS constitution is OK; the people make it wrong. Both Tajem and Masing sama bodoh. Tajem lebih bodoh because he's the party caretaker who cannot take care of his own men. Like I said in my post earlier, Donald Trump would definitely want to fire an apprentice like Tajem. Quote Selene: The party should stand strong and big enough that individuals themselves do not matter and not a single person is indispensable. That is the only way forward, this will avoid the PBDS problem and also avoid the party itself being corrupted and be bought to serve outside interest. Hmmmm, selene, you're beginning to speak like a politician yourself now. That's usually their favourite lines before winning the State Election After election kalau boleh dia tampal party emblem on the car hoping tidak kena parking coupon. Quote Selene: Oh James, do you think PRS actually has any chance at all of persuading the Dayak to trust them as they did PBDS?...From what I know PRS is headed by the Masing faction, so what happened to the Tajem faction?.... Multiracial PRS is not as interesting to the dayaks as the Dayak-based PBDS.... sure PRS have an uphill task to win dayak confidence in the party. Tajem faction??? Oh, they're 'begging' on the street. Quote Selene: Multiracial PRS is not as interesting to the dayaks as the Dayak-based PBDS.... sure PRS have an uphill task to win dayak confidence in the party. Tajem faction??? Oh, they're 'begging' on the street. SFX will give the version of the story taken from Malaysia Kini. He trust Tony Thien more than he would trust (Dr) Richard Wil, an expert in Dayak Politics with Honorary Degree in Politics Management |
| SFX Honorary degree in Politics Management ???? hehehehehe That did not prevent the 2nd deregistration of PBDS ??? (nice try) I can't help but think that I may have touched, probably stamped on a raw nerve about PRS, .....betul magang ???? You don't deny that, do you ?? Don't worry, your sweetheart Selene is safe |
| OO7 Quote SFX: Honorary degree in Politics Management ???? hehehehehe That did not prevent the 2nd deregistration of PBDS ??? (nice try) Now the answer to that question does not lie with someone with degree in politics. The second deregistration was all due to Tajem being so arrogant (we have discussed this matter extensively in ST once). Tajem only needed to hold the TDC before the ROS deadline. Hold the TDC and save PBDS. But he didn't hold the TDC.... when that happened even all the law degrees in the whole wide world can't save PBDS. You don't need a bomb expert to ignite a hand grenede, my friend... a naughty boy can snap at the pin and kaboooooooooooom !!! Quote SFX: Don't worry, your sweetheart Selene is safe Oh, I hate to break this news to you.... I think Selene is busy writing a 'Dear John Letter' to you |
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| GroovyTuai
Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2005 11:52 am Tabi basa Mr. Bond, Tu endang amat laban enda tentu oleh ngerara api enggau api. Heheheheh Mr. Bond, minyak enggau water true ni ulih bechampur neh. Minyak tu ga lichin mimit lalu endang sigi melepu belama enti anyut ba sungai. Enti besema ka ai enggau minyak, ka chiru enda belemak nya endang jarang pansut. Ka beminyak, kamah keruh dipeda, ayan baka liur empulu anyut di sungai nya ka seruran melepu neh Bond. Having said all that Mr. Bond, differences aside, whatever they are, arap ka bala working toward a common goal-->ngari serta ngering ka bansa Iban. Politik, ikonumik, social, enggau ka bukai tu semina rempah enggau nambah ka kuah, the wish enggau determination of the person nya ka amat amat nyadi terabai unity. |
| OO7
Thank you for being generous with words of encouragment Groovy Tuai, Maybe another thing which SFX and me were trying to show us here is how we should not oppose the other as a whole even when we have little disagreement over a matter. We can agree on some matters, we can go 50-50 about some other things but at the end of day I'm thankful to him for being there, afterall his presence here complement my function...and I also hope I can complement his. I can dislike his idea, not necessarily I dislike his person. Still what matters is what we hope to achieve from the grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr and the hmmmmmmmmmm and that is good discussion ! That should benefit us both. Perhaps Masing and Tajem should learn this approach or human concept from us You see, SFX also can make that quote in his favour such as this: "The only thing necessary for Anak Bond to continue hiding the truth is for SFX to do nothing" |
| Groovy Tuai
Greetings Mr. Bond, Generosity with words right from the heart Mr. Bond. Yes, endang sigi gaya baka besi berani nya bond, positive enggau negative endang amat jauh nyelai polarity tang complement each other's existence nya Jang Bond. Nothing wrong jang Bond enti enda sebaka penemu, enda setuju runding. So long seduai nuan nemu muka dada meresa enggau mansik enggau naka silik penemu pangan diri----> both will benefit from that. Enda alah ga kitai au belau, ngangguk ka pala setuju ka utai ka bangat ngelaban penemu kitai enda pia? You have to love the player if you play the game. A game without players tu sigi nyuruh kitai nguap deka ngantuk. Constructive discussion ka dipinta enda pia? Hmmmm if our leaders nemu bepikir baka seduai jang Bond, akai dai bisi endar di anjung. Role reversal pio? Aduhhh ehhhh perhaps leaders kitai nadai masau jam rehearsing roles they play neh! Leading straight from deep down, right from the heart. Hahahha the way you write Mr. Bond reminds me of someone I know...hehehee just play play me Bond. Enti bisi betemu enggau Anak Guang di Kay L dia Mr. Bond, hahahahahahhaa mesan iya ngiga kelab alai betundi bekeruki kini.....ole Ito 2 is coming to "Khatulistiwa" with ooooooooooomamammaaaa indai aku deka bebini hehehehehe. Lionel Ritchie says 'Hello" too au. Later Mr. Bond. |