| Selene SFX, I have now read and considered the research paper you have kindly directed me to. It was a good paper and it did enlighten me as to the socio-political history of the Dayaks in West Kalimantan. I guess you have directed me to this papers to show me the kind of background from which party such as the DUP or PD, as it was known later on, arise and the reason for it eventual demise. No doubt I recognise the similarities between PBDS and DUP/PD in that both were party based on the foundation of tribal division, and both suffered similar fate due to infighting between the 2 prominent leaders/founders. However for me that is where the similrities ended. The PD demise was not due entirely to the infighting between the two founder members but also due largely, in my estimation, to other factors. These were, amongs other things, the political centralistaion of the Indonesian government, which did not encouraged but actively abolished multi-parties politic hence the eventual demise of all other political parties in Indonesia including DUP/PD. Further to that to the end, the party also suffered a serious doubt on its own ideology and purpose, in which the 2 leaders represented opposing ideas and visions as to what the party should by then represent and work for. This was a serious discord and went to the heart of the party itself, for a party which does not know what its represent and want, is not a confident party, leading to unrest and instability within the party itself, eating it from the inside out. The infighting leading to the evetual demise of the party only came about because of these factors, a mere symtom of something more serious than 2 leaders fighting for position within the party. However, as far as my understanding of the PBDS problem, the same could not be said to have happened. At this stage I had not seen any evidence showing there was a plot, either from outside or inside, to destabilise PBDS. I have not seen or heard a concrete argument or arguments, which show the idea of such plot is not a mere speculation, an afterthought as claims by James (007), but a real possiblity with motive and opportunity. I still not convinced of outside force involvement because I could not, at this stage, appreciate a possible motive for such a plot. The proponent of the theory of outsider's plot are here invited to prove otherwise. Explain to me who were the likely suspects and the motive for such a plot. Lay out the arguments and evidences. At the end if the idea of such plot is ever accepted, then the next question will be wthether or not any of the leaders was aware of this, or any of them colloborated with the instigators of such a plot and explain to us what did he ( or she, not that I know of any woman prominent members of the party) got from doing so. As far as I understand both factions now suffered tremendeously as a result of the deregistration of the party. This leaft me with one possible conclusion and a bitter one is that i.e PBDS's demise was mainly due to the political infifgting between 2 factions headed by 2 leaders, purely and only for personal interest, power and position within the party, nothing more, nothing less. Obviously I may jump to conclusion here because I have not heard all the arguments. SFX, James had outlined what he understand the MIRI FORMULA, and from his expalanations, it does look like a really a good and practical solution for the way ahead for PBDS after Moggie's resignation. However you had indicated strongly that what James had given us were not the whole truth or at all. I believe therefore your explanation is required here, otherwise it look like James is winning the argument. Now James you said the party constitution was sound/good. However I am at lost to understand if the system were that good, why didn't it stop the problem escalate to what it was. A party constitution should have a provisions on the election of leaders, and procedure to avoid precisely such situtation from happeneing. Was there no provisoin allowing for the party members to vote for the leader they want rather then the leaders negotiating between themselves as to who should be the leader? If there was, did the members ever asked to chose the leader and who it was?.. And further to that James you said there was a compromise to have 2 leaders, 2 meetings etc...However that does not sound like a compromise to me, more like a fighting married couple agreeing to have a bitter divorce and at the end rather than letting one having the home or the children, both fought to the end and spent all their money paying the lawyers, both ended with nothing, but bitterness and serious depression. I do not see any faction actually winning anything out of this, Masing faction with PRS, what it is?..how it hope to succeed as a multi-racial party when the voters have several well known and must trusted multi-racial parties to chose from and as for the Tajem faction, where are they now?. The saddest thing is that the real loser is us, the dayaks for we have once a golden opportunity to make a difference for our people, but due to self interest of a few, we lost it.... mupok |
| SFX I reject the Miri Formula . Point out to me, on any official PBDS Notes, meetings, announcements, that JJM was to be elected Deputy President, prior, during or even after the fiasco of the Miri formula. You can't and neither can Bond. Bond seems convinced that his man was the heir apparent of the great Dayak coalition. He conveniently forgets that his man and those allied to him did their utmost to humiliate the Party, the President and the Dayak nation simply because they could not "tow the line", "keep their mouths shut for the sake of unity" , or "keep the peace". I hold the PBDS TDC of 2000 and the results of that as legitimate.I am disappointed that you seem to share Bond's flawed views, however I agree on a number of points raised in the similarities you've given us. I haven't arrived at any definite conclusions about that research paper, but I am afraid PRS is doomed right from the off. The Chinese section of that Party is indeed the more formidable side of the business, but the Dayak Barons (not leaders) in PRS are the scum of the Rejang. Let me simplify this for you; Say you're Leader in a Legitimate political Party supported by a strong and respectable Supreme Council, how would you like if; 1. One of your Barons demanded you leave the throne simply because he is a State Minister 2. Had deployed hostile sections of the Media against you and the Party 3. Had his followers in the Party harass you and others into accepting his one and only candidacy or else....... As Leader of that Party, how would you deal with a self interested rebellious Baron ?? Coupled with those internal problems, as Leader of the Party in the State BN, you would also have to deal with the machinations of the PBB Leadership, for example; Abdul Taib Mahmud publicly selecting candidates for ministerial posts without consulting you, how would you deal with that public "slap in the face" ???? So please tell me Selene, above is only a brief compedium of what took place in the last 4 years, a scratch in the surface, do you still contend that "there is no such thing as outside plots", everything else is "afterthought"???? I am Iban, I am Dayak, Sarawak is my home and my yard and I get treated like this simply because one section of the Dayak political class do not have the savvy, the cunning, the dignity, the bravery to say, enough, we want our place under the sun as well, so lets keep the peace ??? Me and other dayaks like, Tajem, Endawie, Kadang, Runin, Salang, Abok, Garang, Ajang amongs many hundreds of othousands of others do love our people, our land, our Sarawak,......its an insult to take on Bond's simplistic views but if he believes PRS is the Holy Grail to all our prayers, well then, let them work hard at it., It is so sad that it has come to this, that's why I keep on urging Bond and others to move on and chart their own destinies, don't rub salt on an open wound, don't provoke violence, don't humiliate your people anymore, move on., there is a lesson to be learnt and we must learn it well. SFX PS Selene dearest, I hope I haven't been too rough |
| SFX Dear Selene, I will not be surprised if you had further doubts about what took place, however I will give you my only assessment of this debacle, complete with the protagonists names and dates, but you must accept that for the last 30 years, we the Ibans have been consistently outmanouevred. If you keep asking me more, dearest, I am afraid I'll poison you further with my PBDS ideology, but should we ever reach that stage, I would share with you the best kept secret in Sarawak. (not sooo secret anymore) hehehehe SFX PS This secret not for Kayans, too much umai in it |
| OO7 Quote SFX: I reject the Miri Formula . Point out to me, on any official PBDS Notes, meetings, announcements, that JJM was to be elected Deputy President, prior, during or even after the fiasco of the Miri formula. You can't and neither can Bond. Good! less bombastic and redundant words from you in your article this time Denial is Daniel's second name I guess. But let me tell you here, SFX, who I think is the real culprit behind PBDS deregistration -- it's Moggie !!! I am beginning to suspect you're more than just Tajem's supporter owing to the fact that you can convince yourself that you have read all documents kept in PBDS office. I admit I didn't have exclusive right to access the archive, but I had on several occasions prior to the deregistration of PBDS, sharing thoughts with a few PBDS top guns -- from either factions, including Runin off course (oh! before you wonder how I can get to convince myself about the existence of 'Miri Formula' I better leak this secret to you -- former PBDS Exec Secretary 29yo Susan Stewart is one of Bond' girls ) She was fired after Tajem took office. I'm sure you know the reason why. Listening from the horses mouth, now that's the privilege your Malaysia Kini Tony Thien don't usually get (but still he needs to file in setakat yang dia ada; to meet editorial daily quota. That's something you need to seriously consider before taking things told by reporters as 'gospel truth'). You seem to want to convince us that you're a close aide to either Tajem or Moggie. Now let me ask you this question, since I can convince myself now that you can convince us with the good answer, either directly or indirectly. Former party president, Datuk Amar Leo Moggie (now emeritus president), has had 20 years in office to show the PBDS members of his credibility to make decision for the party but why only after he relinquished the presidency that he think he can decide what is best for the party. Moggie always changes his mind and that's PBDS big fucking problem !!! This was the same question asked by PBDS faction led by Masing during the PBDS leadership crisis that year, responding to a newspaper report highlighting Moggie’s concern over the PBDS’ future. The broadsheet newspaper quoted Moggie as saying: “ We’ve tried to arrange for a smooth change of leadership where (Datuk Sri Daniel) Tajem will be the president and (Datuk Sri Dr James) Masing as the deputy.” (You didn't get to read that Moggie's quote in Malaysia Kini???) Politics expert (Dr) Richard Wil, when rebuking the statement made by Moggie said: “ If that was the manner through which the transition of power is to be conducted why then he (Moggie) did not approve the Miri Formula in the first place?” ‘Miri Formula’, a declaration made in March 15, 2002 in Miri (my apology, I said 2001 in my previous post) whereby 164 branches agreed on a solution that Tajem will be the president and Masing as his deputy when the time comes for Moggie to step down. But Moggie did not give his support to that formula. Moggie did not respect PBDS majority effort to bring the two leaders (Masing and Tajem) together. He did not respect the mandate given by the 164 branches. Only after things came to its boiling point had Moggie gave in to people's demand, hence the call for the Miri Formula be materialised... but then he was no longer a president. It was already too late to repair the damage. Why only after Moggie is no longer in power that he wants Miri Formula to be followed. Why, SFX ??? Isn’t it not very confusing to the PBDS community? PBDS people have all the right to question Moggie’s action because he is one among the founders of PBDS and he was there through thick and thin when the party was an opposition at state-level and a BN in the Federal-level. Calling Moggie the ‘master of deception’ Richard said Moggie was only aggravating the situation in the party by resigning as the party president when he actually should not and while he was only weeks away before the TDC where the leadership crisis can be resolved once and for all. (That should answer your question, Selene). We thought when (Moggie) decided to quit the presidency, he was going to retire gracefully but after reading the news report about his call for the Miri Formula be put to work, the people have to ask themselves what he was retiring from actually. Moggie told this Anak Bond (shortly after his retirement) that he ‘sensed’ a move to establish a new Dayak-based political party, accusing Masing group, and driven by that fear he said PBDS must be saved through whatever means (including going back on his own words???) This Anak Bond ask Anak Wil the following day, to verify Moggie's story. Richard said such was not the case, saying as far as he can remember, a complete split party from the original PBDS has never been the option among them. SFX, in case you need to understand the reason behind Moggie's disapproval of Miri Formula March 2002..... it all was all because Moggie had wanted Joseph Salang Gandum as the deputy president !!! (Moggie had to announce his desire for Masing to be the deputy, in the news report, after seeing the popularity of Miri Formula among the PBDS folks ). Why Salang is so important? I think that’s the best question we should asked Moggie himself or close-aide SFX. The way I see it, we were forced to believe that Salang is the most important subject to Moggie; PBDS comes second. Tajem is just a pawn in Moggie's game, SFX, didn't Malaysia Kini tell you that ??? Moggie favours Salang as president right from the beginning but on the other hand Moggie knew Salang's popularity among PBDS community can easily be overshadowed by Masing, hence the use of Tajem to do the dirty job.... for Moggie and Salang. Moggie has failed as the PBDS president. He cannot even decide who's next to be king. Moggie GAGAL jadi Anak Dayak !!!! |
| OO7 To Selene: Quote Selene: SFX, I have now read and considered the research paper you have kindly directed me to. It was a good paper and it did enlighten me as to the socio-political history of the Dayaks in West Kalimantan. I guess you have directed me to this papers to show me the kind of background from which party such as the DUP or PD, as it was known later on, arise and the reason for it eventual demise. No doubt I recognise the similarities between PBDS and DUP/PD in that both were party based on the foundation of tribal division, and both suffered similar fate due to infighting between the 2 prominent leaders/founders. Here's something for you to reflect on, to add to the 'research paper' if this article is of any use to the subject. Please forgive my Iban spelling. April 10, 2004 PBDS Dinner Miri 2004, Grand Palace Hotel 7.30pm Speech by Datuk Sri Daniel Tajem …... aku tuk tadi leboh nulis speech ngagai dean lebuh aku nyadi secretary, udah aku empu nyadi dean aku suah amai ti berjaku dimua orang di menua orang putih sampai tiga kali sehari nyak ngasuh aku jampat ndar nulis speech ke dirik empu. (Blowing own trumpet???) Jadi utai ka disebut ka aku lemai tuk nadai entu panjai, ia aku madah ngagai bala kitak lebih agik ngagai telajan ngau committee ya, norina moi seduai ya. Jadi, utai ka disebut ka aku tuk, ngelama kitai parti kitai udah dihidup ka baru. Parti kita udah masuk ICU 3 bulan ngau kak luput di pedak kitai tang nak mukai mukai bisik siko doctor ti pemanduk landik, pemanduk bisi timbang, ianya dikumbai Doktor Pak Lah. Lemai tu tau dikumbai ka kitai, parti kitai tu parti kesyukuran, kita meri terimakasih alu mandah ka bala kitai semua dituk ianya parti bansa Dayak hidup baru. Jadi lebuh aku kak berjaku diatu mega aku ingat ndar parti tu mula ya ditumbuh. The foundation of PBDS is founded from the ashes of political uncertainty, the uncertainty of political direction for the Dayak community in 1983. Those of us who have been in politics for that time found ourselves on a very uncertain ground to which direction the political dreams of the Dayak community could be directed to.... (inaudible) Datuk Edmund Langgu had been expelled from the party, Datuk Edwin, I am glad his daughter is with us today. The reason being that we were singled out to be expelled, on certain terms, that we always advocate that (inaudible) at that time being a party supported by the Dayak community, should by reason of that alone, in its deliberation, a …. Of policies should be weighted heavily towards Dayak community. Many of those arguments did not find any favourable platform from other people who are with us and hence I found myself an isolated figure bejako ka pasal bansa kitai Dayak. During my time I was challenged …. Want to talk of Dayak interests, privileges and rights, why don’t I, with others, formed a Dayak party. And from that ashes of expulsion, ashes of political uncertainty, PBDS comes into being. Parti Dayak tuk nang datai ari kitai ka sama sama ka nyebut ka bangsa Dayak, harta, adat Dayak, tau orang enggau kami begulai ngasuh kami jaku baka nyak. Lalu bila kami ka bejaku, orang ngigak ka buah ka muwai bala kami. From this ashes kitai meda’ koperasi bansa Dayak. Nama ka buah kami nutuk ka parti Dayak? Jadi kabuah nyak kitak udah nemu keh, tang udah agreement tuk, udah di kelala ka orang, all this argument which have …. (inaudible). Sidak ya madah nyak salah mega. And this political party …. (inaudible). Jadi diak tuk laban PBDS tadi udah masuk ICU, udah di ubat ka orang agik, alu iya nyadi. Jadi aku maik kitai sama let us build parti Dayak, from the mirage of political remise and establish it into a political reality for all Dayak community can look upon in the future. Jadi aku diak tuk mai kita sama awak ka kitak ngiring ka parti Dayak tuk awak ka tuju kitai dipun parti Dayak tuk suba’ tau nyadi ka tongkat kena kitai ngiring ka iya dudi ari ilak. Awak ka parti Dayak tuk nyadi tongkat kena kitai mai bansa kitai ngagai political, social ngau economic reality of Malaysia. Tuk aja utai ka dibai aku pesan ngagai kitai. Aku ndak ulih jaku panjai, pedih rekung. Nitih ka doctor ya madah ngagai aku kemari, enti aku nadai disiplin ko iya you could have lost your voice completely ko iya nganok aku. Iya advice aku jaku semak microphone awak ka aku ndak nerit ka voice aku, pia ko iya. Enti parti tuk ditumpu ka penusah, let it be penusah tuk sitik ari challenge. Jadi aku dua kali udah meri jaku ia patut udah didengar udah dipedak kitak dalam suratbkahabr. Lebuh aku tuk bejaku lebuh triennial delegate conference 26 hari bulan tujuh nyin kemarik aku madah ka let us move this party forward. Jadi lebuh maya nyak gak agu madah ka aku batang tubuh aku empu, pendalam cara penemu agik ngigak, cara pemisi luar bilik agik mintak….aku mayik ati ka kering, ati ka bisi pengerindu. Enti orang kaya mata duit, aku kaya dalam pengasih, lalau pengerindu bansa dirik. Laban aku tik disekula di menua tasik dini alai ka bisik orang bansa asal, bansa minority mayuh agik ari bansa kitai di Malaysia tuk. Aku medak bansa Maori. Lalu udah nyak kemarik aku jadi ambassador aku selalu baca cerita-cerita orang minority di menua bukai. Kita bansa minority, lebih agi baka kitai Dayak di menua dituk, we have to find our direction, and firmly pursue that direction before people can recognise us. Enti kita ka ngasuh orang ngelala kitai, we must start bansa kitai empu ngelala diri. Enti kitai nadai ngelala dirik where is our direction? People will try to divert our direction so that we forget our direction and we get disintegrated along the way. Lebuh maya parti kitai tuk dipadam ka orang, dec 5, on dec 7 aku bisik nyebut dalam sitik surat khabar madah ‘this is only a temporary setback’. Ertinya tadi kenak kitai ngelala. Deregistration infact was a blessing . A blessing in a way ianya kita oleh recognised, medak ngagai bala siapa enggau kita dalam politics, orang ka amat rindu ka bansa, kasih ka menua, kasih ka adat kasih ka pekat. Kitai dengar dalam surat khabar bisik orang madah ‘useless to appeal’ or ‘no point to appeal, it’s only a waste of time’. Orang ka nyebut madah ka nyak waste of time, want to find other avenue so that his personal ambition can be pursued into a greater effect. I’m a man who tries to ngamat ka jaku aku. The taste of that sincerity. Lebuh aku merik jaku ngagai orang di Kuala Lumpur aku deka mansuh ka bala sidak ya (inaudible). Lebuh aku pulai dituk ditulis aku surat ngagai prime minister. Aku nang sigik ka netap ka sidak ya ke bisik penduduk, awak ka sidak ya tetap berpenduduk alu berdiri jadi kaban parliament. Orang ka udah bisik penduduk jadi kaban parliament ianya Datuk Joseph Salang, Jawah Gerang, Joseph Mauh, jimmy Donald, billy abit. Aku dah jadi kaban council negeri, sapit ketua menteri menua dituk. Jarang ndar bisik orang nembiak Dayak udah ditinggal apai ngau indai bedau berumur 12 bulan umur. Bunyi ka Joseph salang nyak, kitak ka ngering ka dirik ukai ka ngalah ka orang, kitai ka maju ke depan ukai ka ngambik bagi orang. Kita kak ngau orang berdagang. Strike a balance in our political aspiration. A balance between being a custodian of our communal interest and national interest. Ends... Note: 1. PBDS President Datuk Sri Daniel Tajem anak Miri also declared the PBDS Dinner as ‘Parti Kesyukuran’ for the reinstatement of PBDS before the March 21 Parliamentary Election. 2. Attended by some 440 people, come to Miri from Kuching, Sibu, Sri Aman, Julau, Saratok, Limbang, Pakan, Sarikei, Bintulu and Belaga. 3. Organising chairman Telajan Luyoh. 4. Guest of honour PBDS President Datuk Sri Daniel Tajem ak Miri. 5. Also present Treasurer-General Datuk Joseph Salang Gandum also Deputy Foreign Minister and Member of Parliament (MP) of Julau, Vice-President Major (R) Peter Runin, Secretary-General Stanley Ajang Bato’, Permanent Chairman Datuk Sri Edmund Langgu, MP of Lubok Antu Jawah Gerang, and Gabriel Adit. 6. The evening kicked off with the political leaders took to the stage to lead the congregation in the PBDS song ‘March Parti Bansa Dayak Sarawak’. 7. Dinner commenced after a short speech and then prayer by Dr Thomas Lumit, who also read out verses from page 243 in Iban language Bible book Ulang Adat 28: verses 1 to 14, which according to him reflects on how one must uphold the integrity of their race. 8. Four VIPs deliver speeches at the function: Datuk Sri Edmund, Jawah Gerang, Salang, and president Daniel Tajem. 9. Also held throughout the programme, the distribution of 500 forms for PBDS Membership. Forms were collected and presented to Tajem. 10. They also held fund-raising for the 37-door longhouse Rumah Entingan in Batu Niah which was raged by fire recently. Some 200 people made homeless in the fire. 11. The evening proceed with the cutting of cake of PBDS. 12. Function ended around 12 mid night. |
| SFX Dear Selene, I will not be surprised if you had further doubts about what took place, however I will give you my only assessment of this debacle, complete with the protagonists names and dates, but you must accept that for the last 30 years, we the Ibans have been consistently outmanouevred. If you keep asking me more, dearest, I am afraid I'll poison you further with my PBDS ideology, but should we ever reach that stage, I would share with you the best kept secret in Sarawak. (not sooo secret anymore) hehehehe |
| OO7 Quoting SFX: Dear Selene, If you keep asking me more, dearest, I am afraid I'll poison you further with my PBDS ideology..... Yes, let's do our best to 'poison' their mind. Maybe what is umai to me is poison to you, SFX Here's another Anak Bond's report pertaining to PBDS crisis (Malaysia Kini don't have this report) April 10, 2004 The PBDS will not be having the much-awaited TDC anytime soon, said its president Datuk Sri Daniel Tajem anak Miri on Saturday. In the official letter with regard to the reinstatement of the PBDS which was issued by the Home Ministry, there's no mention of when the party must hold its TDC, Tajem told Anak Bond. On the other hand, in Matter III in the letter it only asked for the TDC to be held by the PBDS to elect the new Supreme Council members, without any specification of date, he said adding he will not be rushed to hold the TDC within this short period of time as expected by some leaders in the party. “ I will hold the TDC after I found the appropriate time for it," he said. Fine, but what did Tajem do after he received letter from ROS in which they issued latest order for PBDS to hold the TDC before Oct 10 ??? The TDC never come. ROS deregistered PBDS for the second time because of that . Aku kan dah madah, hold the TDC and save PBDS !!!! Apa susah gilak mau hold the TDC ??? Whatever the outcome from the TDC, that's second story. First thing first SAVE PBDS.... tengok apa dah jadi sekarang???? |
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