DEBATES:  Franz  Drews  &  Jutta
 

Subject:
          Re: Where Are You? Still On Planet Earth!
     Date:
          Sat, 12 Jun 1999 01:36:40 -0400
     From:
          George Drews
       To:
          Franz Lee
 

Hello Jutta &  Franz,

I'm not sure ! I seem to be surrounded by aliens ... so the
conclusion is : I'm actually the alien !

As for my non response: I've been preparing some Togo actions here
in Düsseldorf.
Tomorrow (Saturday) I'll have the first one in the inner-city. And on
Tuesday morning
I'll be flying to friends in Cameroon (holiday) for about 3 weeks.

About my date thing: it's because the battery of my computer is
broken, so the time always stands still while it's not running !

My response to Jutta's letter is rather short: Amen !
Jutta, you've done a brilliant job. Jutta, are you sure you're not a
sister of Franz ?

But as always I've got a little remark : there's something that came to
my mind when I read the passage about science and the "either-or"- system: in physics there are different models to describe the behaviour of very small (quantum-) matter : the wave-model and the corpuscular-model). But none of them is really adequate enough to describe reality, that's why there are quantum-objects that behave in one situation according to the corpuscular-model (AND NOT according to the wave-model), in another situation according the wave-model (AND NOT according to the corpuscular-model) and in yet another situation according to both models. The so called "scientific" way to describe the physical reality is, as one can see, not that appropriate after all.

And it's not only the evaluation by human beings that does not work
too good with "either - or", but nature too. Probably the evolution of thought implemented in us a too linear perception and conclusion.

And here's something about my biography:

-born 1966,
-study of  "Techno-Mathematics" which included: Mathematics,
Informatics and Electrical Engineering.
-finishing the study-program with a Diploma degree in Mathematics
(in 1995)
- working as a software-developer from 1986 until 1996
- working since 1996 in the Civil Service (in an institute of the
Ministry of Building and Construction of NRW) as
   Controller (economics)
- having a 2-year education for a non-medical practitioner
(Heilpraktiker)
- working for Amnesty International since mid-1998 mainly in the
area of looking after refugees and asylum seekers
- trying to study Economics, Politics and Philosophy since Jan. 1999
  (don't have enough time to make the necessary progress)
- knowing a nice guy somewhere in South America (in the
mountains
?) who is a Professor of Philosophy,
- he's got a nice women too, but I don't know about their offspring, if
they have any (don't worry,  I gave up hunting !)
 

I still didn't see any response of Franz on Carl Zimmerman's writing
on "Intuitive Philosophy".
Here are some of my thoughts:

1. Carl Zimmerman is a real warrior
2. didn't quite understand the conclusion
    "loosing an information-war" could lead to a "1984"-like
surveillance of society.
    This scenario is from my point of view not applicable to the
economically "poor" countries.
3. I guess every manager would agree to Carl's strategy about
"knowing yourself" and
    "knowing your enemies". But I'm always questioning myself,
whether WE (humanity) can achieve
    any "positive progress" if the core of economics is "maximum
profit", no matter what price the
    others have to pay.
    So from my point of view it's not only the personal- and political
relations that should be
    more peacefully, but just as well the economic ones.
    Yes, I know that it's not merely the managers who would have to
modify their value-system,
     but of course our society, which includes of course politicians.
    And one thing is for sure: this has nothing to do with democracy!
     We, the bloody Europeans, call ourselves democratic, but EUROPE
shows his dirty bottom
     (den schmutzigen Hintern) to everybody who wants a tiny part of
the wealth-cake that has been,
     and still is being baked by sucking the sweet milk out of the
coconuts of poorer countries.
     My motto is : More "fair" trade and more solidarity!
     I know I used a lot of words that are V E R Y subjective and
diffuse.
     Especially "positive progress" can be interpreted in a million
different ways.
     So, Jutta and Franz, please tell me what you would understand
under "positive progress" for humanity.
 

Sending lot's of  "positive" greetings from Düsseldorf

George

[Comment of Franz on "positive progress" or "positive
action" or "positive attitude", in another context:

June 23, 1999

"It is sometimes difficult to make "positive" suggestions, or to keep the "good spirit" high, because  this is exactly the field where current ideology brainwashes the people, bamboozles them with false hopes, excites wishes and desires which can never materialize, blindfolds them to "happy ends", and a "brilliant future"; when, in fact, daily they are just being discriminated, dominated and exploited to the utmost. When they know in what they are born, and that they will die "poor", unless a miracle occurs, then, they would be much better off, and would live their earthly reality in another way, would enjoy it better, more sober, and would live more creatively and productively; in other words, fully conscious of their misery and real possible joys, void of the artificial, virtual-real  desires and pseudo-fulfilment which the very industrial capitalist system forever offers, and which it promises for the next millennium, and the promise will never be kept in millenniums. Because this is true, we overstress the negative, because the system does the rest everyday:
glorifying "positive action"."]

JUTTA'S   ANSWER:

Subject:
       George-Stew...
   Date:
       Fri. 11 Jun 1999 22:17:13 -0400
  From:
       Franz Lee
    To:
       George Drews ,
       Franz Lee
 

Hello George,

... and watch out that they don't convert you
into "George Stews" out
there in Baffour-Land, man! On the Quantum
Physics matter: Quite a
"coincidence" that I have been circling around
that topic again just in
the last couple of days, as it seems our method
is almost "objectivated"
or "materialized" in the wave-particle relation
as postulated by
Heisenberg and Born. Unfortunately my knowledge
on the matter is only
rudimentary, if not to say deficient. Perhaps
you can help, George. I've
been trying to find the corresponding Physics
Theory to what Chaos
Theory represents or seems to represent in the
mathematical realm. I
thought Quantum Theory might be the "match",
but "der Groschen ist noch
nicht gefallen", due to lack of understanding
and precise knowledge of
the matter. I have some rough ideas, that is
all for now. So any
comments, observations, ideas, Geisteblitze,
doubts, whatever you might
have, I would be pleased if you could share
them with me and help to
update that "black hole" I have. (Can you also
comment on the first part
of my article to Carl on Space Colonization and
Chaos Theory, please? -
Franz sent it to you a few days ago)

Do take care and send us some smoke signals
from Cameroon (never mind
the "no-smoking" signs...). Franz says, perhaps
you can paste us some
relicts (or fossils) from what is left of Carl
Peters, the past German
arch-colonist, so we can e-mail them to Carl
Zimmerman, the future
space-colonist, for further inspiration, not
forgetting, what Cecil John
Rhodes said, sitting on the Matopo Hills, near
presentday Harare:
"So much to do, so little done. If I could, I
would annex the planets!"

Greetings from Jutta (Franz's sister) and Franz
(Jutta's brother).

Jutta.

P.S. You can visit our offspring in the
Kindergarten:
http://www.oocities.org/Athens/Academy/8545

We hope you like the kids!

Their names are: Positive (Daughter)
                                     Progress (Daughter)
                                     For      (Son)
                                     Humanity (Daughter)

(To Be Continued)