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  Tuesday Evening International AOL Chat
                               Carl (Teaneck, USA),

                             Iris (Freiburg),

                         Khalid (Toronto),

                     Franz (Merida, Venezuela).

     Orwell Today: Personal Life Experiences -
                            Franz - Part IV: 1962 - 1977
              (This Chat I dedicate to my son, Franz Lee, Jr.)

24th October, 2000                          (Slightly Corrected Version)



                             Part   Two
              FRANZ:   1977 - 1979

DISCUSSION  PERIOD
         (Extracts)
 

frogmobile:Franz in those days was a "slim", handsome fella!
panta98: Any questions? Any comments? Remember the topic is:  REVOLUTION!!!
frogmobile: Ha! ha! ha!
CarlzimC:There never was any revolution.
CarlzimC:Castro tried. I met him in a rally in Central Park, NYC, USA in 1950.
frogmobile: Wow!
panta98: So, so!  I'm not "handsome" anymore? Yes, Khalid, the revolution keeps one slim, fit and trim. Not the "flex appeal" and "body building" torture of today!
panta98: Why, Carl? Why "never a revolution"?
CarlzimC: I talked with some of Castro's buddies. One called Alberto Mayo who was training anti-Batista guerrillas in Mexico
panta98: Then, what really happened, Carl?
CarlzimC: Franz, because most people fear change.
CarlzimC: Franz, there have been a series of counter-revolutions
panta98: Well, Carl, what do you think about my first 40 years? Did I fear change?
CarlzimC: No, you were unusual.
panta98: Whom or what did I revolutionize? What did I change?
Einai2000: Yourself, Franz.
CarlzimC: Yourself and your immediate circle.
panta98: And, what is usual? And why is it usual?
panta98: Correctly so, Carl! At least that is something "revolutionary".
CarlzimC:Phony = revolution. Counter-revolution is usual.
panta98:What do you think, Khalid?
panta98: Tell us whom you met in 1977.
panta98: What did you think about him?
frogmobile: His name then was "J.T" .
panta98: Yes, I forgot!!!
panta98: Continue ....
frogmobile: We all liked him a lot in those days.
panta98: Why?
frogmobile: We saw hope and "help" in realizing our emancipatory dreams.
panta98:To like him, you all had to be lovable too. Young, fresh and adventurous!
panta98: Real tropical "hornets"!
panta98: And, what did J.T. do or say?
panta98:Actually, you could write those following famous two Guyanese years for us now.
panta98: I sit back, I'm listening, tell us all about "J.T.".
Einai2000: ...listening....
frogmobile: J.T tried to convert the Burnhamites, encouraging them to fight for the "real" revolution, and not just a bogey "co-operative socialism".
panta98: What do you remember?
frogmobile:They were not aware of what we really were criticizing, about our ideas of socialism.
panta98:Yes, how did he do this?
frogmobile: Strange, they liked him because he was a South African "revolutionary", we too.
panta98:What about J.T.'s permanent radio speeches, about his classes at the University of Guyana?
panta98:Who organized the "revolutionary classes" in Hyacinth Ville, also the radio shows?
frogmobile:Your buddy, yours truly! Franz was highly respected at the University, and he became the Head of Department of Law and Politics. Many of his students came to his home, where we all had special revolutionary classes. Later many of them became leading figures in the government and in the opposition.
panta98:What happened to my "buddy", to his mind?
frogmobile: Franz was daring and not even President Burnham knew what he was really up to.
panta98: Concerning "mind control"? Religion?
frogmobile: One of our buddies got killed with a bomb, another got arrested!
panta98: It took South Africa five years to note that I opposed Apartheid, and who I realy were.
frogmobile: And, of course, Khalid "ran"!
panta98: My original name was not Franz J. T. Lee. I was baptized as Frantz John Lee, and as such it appeared in my South African passport.
panta98: This is what my birth certificate says! I changed it when I arrived in Germany. The Germans, just like the Venezuelans, forever, wrote my name wrongly, hence I changed it, making it easier for the authorities. It took the South african secret agency five years to identify the two persons as one and the same. They even thought that my father, Franz T. Lee, was me.
panta98: Burnham, the Machiavellian dictator died, not knowing that I never loved him, loved Big Brother!
panta98:What did we, Jagan, Rodney and all of us do?
Einai2000:Where are all the revolutionaries now, what are they doing now, and in the first place, what caracterizes a revolutionary?
frogmobile:Good question Iris. The revolutionaries have become "mellowed"
frogmobile: Jagan never really liked me.
panta98: Perhaps because you were also just another "coolie"? Who knows? He liked me though!
Einai2000: "mellowed", sorry, what does this mean, Khalid?
frogmobile: But I took Franz many times to see him.
frogmobile: "cooled-downed"
panta98: Marshmellow, cool like a cucumber, Iris, sweet and plumpy!
Einai2000: Ok, got it, thank you.
Einai2000: Neutralized, in other words - those who survived?
panta98: Proceed, Khalid.
Einai2000: Please proceed...
frogmobile:The Jagan guys, the "communists", liked Franz and eventually visted him and the ULA in Merida.
panta98:How did we get to Guyana's greatest thinker and revolutionary?
panta98:What did all of us, including Walter Rodney, have in mind?
frogmobile: We tried to help him in his emancipatory endeavours, but the poor guy was too advanced for his time (Walter Rodney).
frogmobile: According to Rodney, he wanted to kick the "butt" of Burnham, to kick him out of power!
CarlzimC: Why was he too advanced?
frogmobile: As indicated before, he went beyond simple revolutionary ideas.
panta98: Now, imagine, Khalid, how "advanced" we are! I knew so many famous guys, had so many famous students, met so many famous men, yet, I never bothered to utilize their fame, less for my own development and interests. Rodney did likewise. He was a simple man in Guyana.
panta98:Yes, as stated, Rodney clearly stipulated that he and his political party wanted to overthrow the racist, exploitative Burnham government.
CarlzimC: If Burnham was kicked out, would this just have been a local advance?
frogmobile:Oh! Yes.
frogmobile: He was a practical revolutionary that instilled fear in the Burnham government. He became "too popular" and a "threat" to U.S. interests. Geopolitically, a revolutionary success in Guyana would have had repercussions in the whole Caribbean region, also in the non-aligned movement.
panta98: Khalid, your turn!
panta98:Explain further, please.
   ....
frogmobile:Rodney was a very brave soldier of the oppressed world.
CarlzimC:Why did the USA perceive Rodney as a threat?
frogmobile:Rodney was probably one of the most warm and polite human beings that I have ever met.
Einai2000:...I'm listening, please proceed....
panta98:In those days, of many things we never thought. Youth is a strange defence against fear.
panta98:And Rodney's speeches, his international analyses? In 1978, the Venezuelan President, Carlos Andres Perez, came to Guyana. At the university, Franz and his colleagues explained to him their views on the "border conflict".
frogmobile:He dressed in Rasta style when he visited us at my mum's shop, which was in a very dangerous "Burnhamite area".
CarlzimC:If Rodney had succeeded, what would have been the threat?
panta98: The USA, Carl. Another "Bay Of Pigs"! Before, in the '60's, the CIA heavily had intervened, to stop the "communist" Jagan to get into power. Burnham was the US darling: "Our Man In Georgetown".
frogmobile: There could have erupted similar "revolutions" in the Carribean, especially in Jamaica.
panta98: They feared another Cuba in the Caribbean region!
CarlzimC:The USA created and has supported Castro.
CarlzimC: To control the world sugar market.
panta98: Khalid, please, tell us more about Rodney.
frogmobile:The guy trusted me and I can never forget his bravery. Once we met in a graveyard in the middle of the night in total darkness.
panta98: That must have been eerie, but not enough to fear any ghosts!
panta98: In essence: Of the "communist" Jagan, and the "socialist" Burnham, the forces of reaction were not afraid, but the revolutionary, heading towards emancipation, of Rodney, they were not so pleased. they "nipped" him in the bud!
frogmobile: That's correct, Franz.
frogmobile: Remember, then, he was already world famous as a political revolutionary.
frogmobile: In Guyana and the Caribbean, he attracted huge crowds at meetings.
panta98: Yes, he was already a charismatic figure, even before he began revolutionary work in Guyana itself. Like Frantz Fanon, he just wrote one book, telling the truth, and that was sufficient to make him world-renowned, and his major work a "classic".
panta98:What Frantz Fanon and Walter Rodney warned about; years ago, George Orwell had explained in "1984", and which is a reality today!!
panta98:How European Capitalism had underdeveloped Africa, was followed by the "under-development" of the globe, by the USA!
frogmobile:I'll always remember the last time I met him. Guyana had experience its worst political street violence. Rodney touched me on the shoulder in disguise and asked me to arrange an urgent meeting with an active member, who was working inside the government; however, before the meeting could take place, Rodney was assassinated.
CarlzimC:Rodney's and Orwell's reality, which they illustrated, had been going on for centuries.
CarlzimC: Not only, USA - all global powers!
panta98: However, Carl, that nowadays is called the famous Globalization, and the USA runs the show.  What Hitler, Nero,  The Crusades, Dschingis Khan, Alexander The Great and Stalin had intended to do, is now totally magnified in geometric progression and proportion.
CarlzimC: Soviet Russia collaborated in the enslavement of Africa.
frogmobile:The Russians did not like Rodney
frogmobile:nor the Cubans
CarlzimC:No surprise
panta98: Carl, and so did the USA with reference to Apartheid. At any event, compared to the USA, Europe and Japan are just little jokes! Small fry, small sharks! Like Africa, they have already disappeared from the global map, from world history. Soon they'll just be irrelevant merging elements. Just like the ex-world powers, Spain and Portugal, in the "German" European Union today.
frogmobile: Rodney was independent of all the "main stream" ideologues.
frogmobile:The Jamaicans banned him from Jamaica.
panta98:Who will control, channel, guard, apply, end Globalization? Any other power than the USA?
frogmobile: Globalization is here to stay.
panta98: Yes, Khalid, the Rockies may tumble, Gibralter may fall, but our US Globalization is here to stay! Surely not China or Russia!
frogmobile:Nobody and Nothing can stop the USA. Its too advanced.
panta98:The USA is here to stay!
CarlzimC:Yep!
frogmobile: Advances in Science and Technology have made it possible.
frogmobile: Only a natural disaster could still shake things up.......!
panta98:I can imagine how proud many an Americans must be to be a world, global citizen. Imagine, my son made it too -- soon he'll be an American, global citizen. I just made it to the Aryan "race".
panta98: Iris, still around???
Einai2000:Yes, Franz.
panta98:What kind of natural disaster, Khalid?
panta98:A comet hitting Globalization?
frogmobile:Probably! Not even that. There is nothing to stop it, man.
panta98:But, as far as I remember, there's a way out: Tesla Technology, New Energy, the Hornets!
frogmobile: Or probably an internal conflict - remember Americans are very divided politically
frogmobile: Yea! may be that, a comet, better Tesla Technology, could work!
panta98: "New energy" is modern emancipationfare. The problem is how should this be launched against Globalization?
frogmobile: Franz, even that you can't.
Einai2000:Are we talking now about a "Problem" which is somehow "out there", gentlemen?
CarlzimC:Agreed. Israel, Palestine, Iran, the Arab countries will all be under USA control
frogmobile:They are all under since 40 years ago
panta98: Out there, 'to get us", on July 4th, any suggestions, Iris?
frogmobile: I don't know, Iris.
Einai2000:The "evil", the "system", "globalization" - which is lurking around independently from us?
frogmobile: That is how America has secured its oil.
panta98:Are the North Americans also divided economically, Khalid? Or are they "globalized"?  In the election campaign, all boast about the current economic paradise.
frogmobile: Agreed, Iris.
CarlzimC: It controls the oil drilling technology.
frogmobile: It's just the "packaging" of the leaders.
CarlzimC: There's division worldwide.
frogmobile: The people are the least aware of what is happening.
CarlzimC: Yep. Divide and conquer.
panta98: Yes, Veni, vidi, vici! The USA came, it saw, it conquered!

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