Space, Time, Labour, Emancipation IV
What Produced Labour & Alienation?
6th February, 2001 (Slightly Corrected Version)
The "famous" $Zillion Question:
What produces this monster, Labour?
The "infamous" One Rupee
Answer: The very same History, the very same Emancipation.
AOL-CHAT: TUESDAY, 6TH
FEBRUARY, 2001.
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LIFTING THE HATS, COUTHIE GREETS, ....
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CarlzimC has entered the room.
CarlzimC:Hi, Franz.
panta98: Hi! Jutta is coming!
panta98:Did
you go and fetch Fran?
CarlzimC:Phone call from client.
panta98:We had some electricity
problems.
panta98:The
current was fluttering like Madam Butterfly!
CarlzimC: Or like Thor's hammer.
CarlzimC:CANTV's
Goetterdaemmerung.
CarlzimC:
Chavez = Siegfried?
panta98: Carl, please invite
juttaschmi.
panta98:A moment, please!
juttaschmi has entered
the room.
juttaschmi:Finally.
juttaschmi: Franz?
juttaschmi: Carl?
juttaschmi: Anybody
here?
panta98: Hi! Carl.
CarlzimC:Hi, everyone
juttaschmi:Hi
Carl!!
juttaschmi:Finally
we've made it.
panta98: Hi! Carl.
CarlzimC:Finally
juttaschmi:What
a disastrous night!
juttaschmi:Soon,
we will have to communicate via smoke-signals.
CarlzimC: Franz: Please continue
with the discussion.
juttaschmi:Or
via direct telepathy.
juttaschmi: Franz,
please start.
THE ZILLION DOLLAR BABY!
panta98:The Topic was: My "famous"
$Zillion Question: What produces this monster,
labour?
CarlzimC:Capitalism.
panta98:My "infamous" One Rupee
Answer: The very same History, the very
same Emancipation, about which we are talking.
juttaschmi:You
said, that labour is a product of history, in the sense as we understand
it.
juttaschmi:Exactly.
- Iris would not be very happy to hear this,, Franz.
panta98:Can I proceed?
panta98:
Please save the chat!
juttaschmi:Capitalism
is one of the manifold expressions of the labour monster, Carl.
CarlzimC:Also, Hegelian dialectic.
juttaschmi:Applies
also to Hegelian dialectic.
panta98:Before I begin to elaborate
this hair-raising, heart-breaking enunciation which I made last week, at
first, let us consider some important aspects of this transcendental, paradoxical
problematic.
juttaschmi:Please
proceed, Franz.
panta98:Carl & Jutta, in
spite of the fact that only we three are discussing this profound, stringent
scientific-philosophic issue, and that the others are not present, nonetheless,
because we are posting our chats, opening them to the study of a wider
international public, I will treat the subject with the serenity and seriousness
that it deserves.
CarlzimC:Continue,
Franz.
juttaschmi:Please
do so, Franz.
panta98:Wherever it is difficult
to follow, I'll pause and you could ask explanatory questions about the
logic of the arguments; surely, you will also voice your own opinions and
make your own contributions. What follows is not a philosophic "blue-print",
containing "absolute truths"; ...
juttaschmi:The
connection just won't make it tonight.
panta98:... Wherever it is
difficult to follow, I'll pause and you could ask explanatory questions
about the logic of the arguments; surely, you will also voice your own
opinions and make your own contributions. What follows is not a philosophic
"blue-print", containing "absolute truths";
juttaschmi:Here
is Franz again.
CarlzimC: Proceed, Franz
juttaschmi:
Please proceed.
panta98:... it is just a valiant
experimental expression of our scientific-philosophic endeavours with regard
to innovative thinking and reasoning.
juttaschmi:Count
us in, Franz.
panta98:Firstly, to be very
candid, we are not prophets, we are not predicting the "future" -- what
would happen in our Galaxy in the Year 9 000 000 A.D. We leave this to
the experts, scholars, laureates, ideologues, politicians, astrologers,
futurologists, theologians, scientologists, also to science fiction, prozac-delirium
and wishful thinking.
juttaschmi:Agreed.
panta98:We are philosophizing
scientifically about our essence, existence and transcendence, and this
is not portraying his story, "history", it's completely ANOTHER sphere.
Thus, put on your scientific shoes, place your philosophic cap on your
seat of wisdom, and with our detective PSI-Factors on alert, at cruising
speed, off we dash to other still unknown realities!
juttaschmi:Time
parameters don't apply anyway.
panta98:You follow??
CarlzimC:Yep
juttaschmi:Following.
panta98:Precisely, Jutta.
panta98:Invite Jutta
again, she has left the room. !
CarlzimC:OK
juttaschmi has entered
the room.
CarlzimC:Hi, Jutta
juttaschmi:Hi
Carl.
panta98: Our Science-Philosophy
atomizes, explodes, implodes all patrian, all labour, all capital barriers.
panta98:Thus, with Tesla and
Reich, ahoy, please, on the deck below, do strengthen your "milk-teeth",
consult an excellent dentist before we approximate the Milky Way, en route
towards the Magellanic Clouds, and "thereafter" beyond, "beyond" the "Hereafter"
and "Nowafter"!
panta98:Unfortunately,
there is no other way to board our historic, emancipatory "Enterprise"
in a simple, simplified or even simplistic way!
panta98:Carl, both of us have
to reboot, to establish a proper connection. Please wait three minutes,
and we will invite you and continue. meanwhile save what you have.
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You have just entered room "CarlzimC Chat55."
juttaschmi has entered the room.
juttaschmi:Help!
juttaschmi:Last
try, guys.
Einai2000:AOL sabotaged me;
I had to enter as Einai2000.
CarlzimC:
Hi, guys
juttaschmi:Hi
Carl.
Einai2000:Franz here, Now I
am Einai2000 (Iris in disguise!) Hi! Carl!
juttaschmi:Let
us give this one last try, Franz and Carl.
CarlzimC: AOL = madness tonight.
juttaschmi:
Total madness!
Einai2000:Thus, with Tesla
and Reich, ahoy, please, on the deck below, do strengthen your "milk-teeth",
consult an excellent dentist before we approximate the Milky Way, en route
towards the Magellanic Clouds, and "thereafter" beyond, "beyond" the "Hereafter"
and "Nowafter"!
CarlzimC:OK, Jutta
juttaschmi:Milky
Way, here we go!
CarlzimC:Proceed, Franz
juttaschmi:Seatbelts
fastened!
Einai2000:Unfortunately, there
is no other way to board our historic, emancipatory "Enterprise" in a simple,
simplified or even simplistic way!
Einai2000:Thus,
let's probe into scientific ventures a n d philosophic adventures of a
superated, triverse, spheric nature! It's going to be a fascinating bon
voyage, but I beg for historic patience, and ask you to activate your ontic
neurones and comprehensive capacity, thinking ability and cognitive potentiality
to their uttermost.
juttaschmi:No
problem, Franz, we are sort of used to it! :0
juttaschmi:
;-)
Einai2000:Jutta. No
easy road to Emancipation, to History! Now just relax, feel at home, in
our home. As you would have noticed our sojourn has nothing to do with
work or labour; consequently, it won't be simple, complex or complicated;
be neither boring nor causing intellectual fatigue. I will go slowly, will
take it at snail's pace.
CarlzimC:
8-)yep
Einai2000:With natural, cosmic
hands and with social, sapient minds par excellence, our newly-awakened
senses could and would grasp very easily the following unfolding vague,
faint and frontierlike novelties.
juttaschmi:OK,
I'm prepared.
Einai2000:Let me demonstrate
the tremendous intellectual "energy" and majestic rational "power" of our
Science a n d Philosophy! Our Invulnerable, Invisible, Invincible Principle!
These we are applying here.
CarlzimC:Proceed at your own
pace.
Einai2000:Having reached the
"outer", the "beyond", the "other" spheres, let us analyse my dramatic
apocalyptic "revelation" step by step! Transcentively, triversitively,
--- 1.) I said: "Labour is ONLY "inside" Hisstory."
juttaschmi:I
remember that, Franz.
Einai2000:On another occasion,
we have argued that Labour, the Patria, Man, Alienation, -- which for the
"time" being we consider as synonyms -- is in History.
juttaschmi:True.
Einai2000:Labour is in History,
however, to be "in" does not presuppose that Labour is identical with History.
Outside of it, of Labour, History is, is MORE than Labour. You all follow
till here?
juttaschmi:Can
we say Labour is PART of History but not all of it, Franz?
Einai2000:Yep!
juttaschmi:And
History "contains" labour, itself, and much, much more?
juttaschmi:Are
we dealing with the "much, much more" tonight?
Einai2000:Yes, two times more!
Furthermore, Labour is not an extraterrestrial reality; from "outer space",
it did not just slip unnoticed through the "back-door" into History. It
is not a divine curse, an evil thing, a July 4th "Alien". On the contrary,
it is very terrigenous, terrible, terrifying. It is the acme of terror,
of terrorism; it is alienation itself.
Einai2000:It
is simply one of those myriad of historical things to be able to cognize,
to recognize. That hawks prey on doves, that cats catch mice, these could
be debatable human issues, but there is nothing moral, good or bad, about
these natural cosmic acts.
juttaschmi:Labour
is an intrinsic part of history.
Einai2000:D'accord, Jutta.
juttaschmi:And
no "normative" arguments should be applied with regard to it, in the context
of our debate.
Einai2000:Proceeding ... Similarly,
that capitalists exploit labourers, in the first "place", is not an ethical,
an issue of human rights. It is an historic relation, a non-relation, a
reality of Alienation, which happens within History itself.
juttaschmi: It
is simply "statable", is being defined as a specific kind of relation.
CarlzimC:It's also related
to coping with limited resources.
Einai2000: Surely, Carl. Nothing
about "good", "bad", "true", "false", Jutta.
Einai2000:Carl,
you follow?
juttaschmi:Agreed,
Carl and Franz.
CarlzimC:Yep!
Einai2000:Correctly so, Carl.
Einai2000:We
are not working for the "Red Cross", for the "Salvation Army", for "Amnesty
International", for the "Society For The Prevention Of Cruelty To Animals",
for the "Lion's Club" or the "Rotary Club" -- these patrian institutions
are all performing excellent humanist work.
juttaschmi:We
are definitely not working for one of those, Franz, agreed. :-)
Einai2000:OK, it was
just a nice joke!!! Many of our "compatriots" surely do.
juttaschmi:Very
nice indeed.
CarlzimC:The Russians thought
the Salvation Army was trying to conquer Russia.
juttaschmi:Come
on Carl! You are joking!
CarlzimC:The Starvation Army!
CarlzimC:Serious.
Einai2000:Yes, Carl. they are
in the safe now, all saved by the "West"!
juttaschmi:Sounds
more realistic - starvation army.
Einai2000:Proceeding ... Here
we are simply analysing ulterior motives, motifs, illustrating interior,
exterior, transcentive realities. At this level of our investigation, we
still have not yet discovered "labourers" elsewhere, in other spheres.
Hence, safely we could still state that Labour is in, is ONLY inside History.
juttaschmi:Now,
that is, what I would call a "GOOD" thing (nevermind the normative perspective):
that labourers are not elsewhere.
juttaschmi: Only
inside history.
juttaschmi: Proceed,
Franz
Einai2000: Me too, Jutta. Proceeding
.... Should we ever discover Labour elsewhere, in other spheres, we would
immediately take into account this anomaly within our Science a n d Philosophy.
Einai2000:As
you know, Labour does not accept another "reality", it affirms ONLY its
own being. This is identified in its own single formal-logical principle
or postulate, that has been given many strange names: Spirit or God (idealists),
Matter (materialists) or Nothing (nihilists).
juttaschmi:(I
would not want to be confronted with labour and labourers again in "Cygnus
A" or elsewhere in the uni-verse)
juttaschmi:And
yet, strangely, all their postulates are, in the final analysis, the same,
Franz.
Einai2000:Don't worry, Jutta
-- I don't think that it (labour) will ever be the case again elsewhere.
juttaschmi:"Hope"
you are "right", Franz!
CarlzimC:It is also a big problem
in the Mideast. They want to make intellectual labor predominant, but this
conflicts with the current Islamic applications.
juttaschmi:The
exploitation of intellectual labour - this is, what "globalization" is
all about, Carl.
juttaschmi:The
Mideast tries to "go global", too.
Einai2000:Intellectual Labour
wont work where there is no Intellect, Carl.
Einai2000:Proceeding
.... It has ONLY One Principle; therefore, it is in itself, is an In-Itself,
is intensive.
CarlzimC:Even though the Arabs
made tremendous contributions to science, mathematics, etc. in their early
history.
juttaschmi:You
have a point there, Franz ...
juttaschmi:They
surely did, Carl, and they also made precious contributions to philosophy!
Einai2000: Yes, imagine Averroes,
Avicenna, Ibn Khaldun, etc. However, at this stage of labour, many Arab
minds became drained with sandy oil, with "Desert Storm" operations, Carl.
Einai2000:Proceeding
... This is not an "abstract", "theoretical" statement, just look around
and you would see in everyday life how the State, the "society", do not
accept anything "outside" of the norms, of the general "consensus".
CarlzimC:Agreed, Franz&Jutta.
Einai2000:Study the world news,
and you would see the only "historic" events which occur on Earth. Go to
the university, and you would see what academic "truths", "expressions"
and "methods" are only being taught. Be a "Marxist" or "terrorist", and
you would see what the State, what "society" would do to you.
juttaschmi:Sadly
so, Franz. Globalized Ideology.
Einai2000:Yes!
juttaschmi:Globalized
Unilaterality.
CarlzimC:Globalized mind control
juttaschmi:Exactly,
Carl.
Einai2000:Carl. Be an "independent"
thinker and you will notice what all the "independence wars" were all about.
And, imagine, these things still happen within the ambit of the Patria,
within Labour.
CarlzimC:Today, police prevented
Columbine-type teen murders in Kansas.
Einai2000:Now consider how
unacceptable other things would be which take place in other realms. Imagine
what an erudite scholar, a laureated Harvard Nobel Peace Prize Winner would
say about our Science a n d Philosophy! Probably, he would utter that he
never ever saw such a lot of nonsensical crap in his whole life. I wouldn't
blame him for arriving at such a brilliant apercu.
juttaschmi:Globalized
"remote-triggered robots and murderers", Carl.
Einai2000:Comments about the
above?
juttaschmi:Remember
what they told Don Albert, when he was trying to apply for research and
teaching posts at university, Carl and Franz?
juttaschmi:They
said: you are too early - come back later in 300 years!
juttaschmi:This
is what happens, when one "thinks" "out-of-the-box".
Einai2000:I wonder "when'"
they would think that our "Come Back" should be celebrated? Probably, in
9 000 000 AD.
juttaschmi:Franz,
be not so pessimistic, please!
Einai2000:Furthermore, I have
stated: ---2) "As a Sphere, History exists "inside a n d outside" of Labour
(that is, "whereto" we are transcending, emancipating ourselves)."
juttaschmi:Continue,
Franz.
Einai2000:This is arduous to
grasp, but it is another way of saying that History is "inside" the Patria
a n d that History exists "outside" the Patria. Essence (A) is "inside";
Existence (Non-A) is still "inside" but as "not-inside", hence, it is "extended".
However, by no means Existence transcends "outside" (B). "Not-Inside" (Extension)
and "Outside" (Transcension) are not identical.
Einai2000:Here
our Triagory is: Inside a n d Not-Inside AND Outside, as expressed in our
last chat as: Intension a n d Extension AND Transcension.You all, somehow
still follow?
juttaschmi:I
can follow, although, precisely, the space-parameters are a bit "out-of-place"
here. I know, it is meant to better illustrate the matter, Franz. - This
somehow reminds me of Hegel's concept of Negation; yet, he has only ONE
postulate, that defines precisely, what Negation is. We have two and more
postulates.
Einai2000: It is complicated
enough already, I have to use patrian terminology in quotation marks!
juttaschmi:I
understand the difficulties, Franz.
Einai2000:Apart from History,
which is a Sphere, zillions and zillions of OTHER Spheres excel themselves.
If they could be "countable", be in some way or the other more or less
mensurable, or, if in reality only one single Sphere exists or transcends,
then we would be among the first to correct this errarum est humanum.
Einai2000:Anyhow,
this is not our "problem" or discussion here. Let's proceed.
juttaschmi:It
is fairly "reasonable" to assume, that there are "more" than just one single
sphere, Franz. We are trying to get rid of this eternal one-sidedness.
So, here we go.
Einai2000:Agreed, Jutta. Even,
many "parallel worlds"!
juttaschmi:The
hardest problem is to sort of "approach" something, if you haven't got
the means to do so, or if you are in the process of developing those means.
juttaschmi:"Parallel
Universes", to be "built from scratch".
Einai2000:Well, let us continue
our transcending mental exercise!
juttaschmi:Proceed,
Franz.
Einai2000:Proceeding. ... Existence
exists extensively, dialogically; at least, it is composed of an Affirmation
a n d a Negation; it is tantamount to Motion, to Contradiction. All Contradictions
are expressions of the Inside a n d Not-Inside, of the Extension of Anything,
of its two related elements. They are dynamic, ...
Einai2000:...
they "produce" automatic Motion, Self-Motion, intensive, internal, extensive
Motion.
juttaschmi:Two
sides of the SAME thing, of the same, one postulate correspond to "internal"
motion.
CarlzimC:Contradictions don't
exist. Everything is related
CarlzimC:Yin/Yang.
juttaschmi:Correct
in part, Carl, because contradiction itself is a kind of relation, too.
juttaschmi:Even
if we are dealing with two exclusive sides, that don't relate at all, this
is, what their "relation" consists of: to NOT relate.
Einai2000:Agreed. ... proceeding
.... in the spirit of Yin/Yang ... Exactly in this way Labour -- Physical
a n d Intellectual -- exists as a specific "reality" within History. But,
also History itself exists as such: as Nature a n d Society. Yes Contradiction
is a basic relation in the Labour World.
Einai2000:Now,
continuing. ... Labour, Labouring Man, Man, is characterized by its Essence
a n d Existence, by its Production, which is Alienation.
juttaschmi:Identity,
Contradiction, all denote a kind of "relation".
juttaschmi:Ok,
Franz.
Einai2000:Yes, Jutta. Its complicated,
I proceed with "baby-steps": Labour is alien to History, to Nature a n
d Society; it "alienates" History, it produces, it works, within History.
juttaschmi:From
what perspective is it "alien", Franz?
Einai2000:Jutta, coming to
your point: from this perspective: Labour has a unilateral, intensive a
n d extensive, -- an exploitative, dominant, discriminatory, alienating
relation -- a non-relation to History. Here non-relation is not necessarily
a negation, a negative relation. There are a myriad of types of "non-relations".
juttaschmi:If
labour is an intrinsic part of History, in how far do we say, that it is
"alien" to history?
Einai2000:Be patient, that's
the complication to explain. Ask the question later again. partially, it
is explained before already. More to come.
juttaschmi:Okay.
I will keep the question in mind.
Einai2000:Remember, Non-Relations
are also types of Relations. In our specific case, they are Negations (Non-A),
in Historic A a n d Non-A, Labour cuts off, negates, all of its relations
to History. It strives for Omni-Power, for Megalo-Power over Itself, over
Man, and over History.
juttaschmi:Understood
and agreed, Franz.
Einai2000:Also, remember, Negation,
across the dialectical mechanism, the Negation of the Negation, always
returns to the Affirmation, to the Status Quo Ante Rem, to A, to Labour,
to Alienation.
juttaschmi:Exactly
so, Franz.
Einai2000:Seen from another
degree, Negation also auto-relates itself. Inside Labour, it inter-relates
essential Physical Labour (A) to existential Intellectual Labour (Non-A),
producing the dynamism, the exploitative, dominant Power of Labour.
Einai2000:Comments,
Jutta? Carl?
juttaschmi:Truly
so, Franz. Negation, by definition, is a doublefold relation ab ovo,
from the beginning, because it negates something - therefore, it cannot
exist by itself.
Einai2000: Of course, this
Negation also auto-relates Physical Alienation (A) to Intellectual Alienation
(Non-A), Ruling Man (A) to Exploited and Oppressed Man (Non-A), Reason
(A) to [Physique (Sensatio) and Intellect] (Non-A), Master to Slave, Big
Brother to the Man On The Street.f course, Carl & Jutta:
Einai2000:Of
course, Carl & Jutta: Of course, this Negation also auto-relates Physical
Alienation (A) to Intellectual Alienation (Non-A), Ruling Man (A) to Exploited
and Oppressed Man (Non-A), Reason (A) to [Physique (Sensatio) and Intellect]
(Non-A), Master to Slave, Big Brother to the Man On The Street.
juttaschmi:No
intellectual without physical labour, no ruling man without the opressed
creature, no reason without intellect, no master without slave.
CarlzimC:Nothing exists by
itself. All affirms and negates each other.
juttaschmi:This
is a valid statement, Carl!
Einai2000:You are a philosopher,
Carl. take over the lead!!!
CarlzimC:Master = slave
Einai2000:Coming to that just
now, Carl.
juttaschmi:Correctly
so, Carl.
Einai2000:In this way, a Master-Slave
Commonwealth, a Labour Community, a Workshop, is being produced and reproduced
within History.
Einai2000:Summing
up, within the system, the Patria, -- from where "change" or motion, usually
could only come --, for a reason, with reason, Man exploits Man, Man Himself
dominates Physical Man a n d Intellectual Man, discriminates Social Man.
juttaschmi:We
even identify master and slave by looking at their relation - exploitation
of the slave by the master, and dependent on the master, by the slave.
Einai2000:This non-relation
to Nature, to Society, to History, produces, reproduces Man Himself, Labour
Itself. Within History, there and now, is the Origin, the Matrix of Labour.
This seems very paradoxical, very strange, very "frustrating" (Stella).
CarlzimC:Man kills man in war.
juttaschmi:Sadly
and truly so, Carl.
Einai2000:That's the Drums
of Fu Manchu, Carl, of Labour!
Einai2000:Neverthemore,
let's slowly blend out. Let's return to Mother Earth. To transcend, we
have to overcome, have to overcome, to excel, precisely these strange and
frustrating paradoxes in our minds, that have already been instilled and
installed with Mum's or Nestle's Milk!
CarlzimC:A major war will be
used to avoid a recession in USA and other Western countries.
juttaschmi:That's
the way it works, Carl. The Second World War had a similar origin.
Einai2000:I'm awaiting it everyday,
Carl.
CarlzimC:Why do you think?
Sharon was elected PM of Israel.
Einai2000: Well, what did we
expect? Proceeding ...We are morally used to holy angels, holy cows, holy
smoke, holy ghosts, good guys, belief, paradise, peace, beauty, truth,
justice, love, hope and charity; our daydreams, our pipe-dreams, are ethically
filled with these ideological, religious nonsense, nonentities, nonexistences,
nonrelations...
Einai2000:In
other words, we are filled to the brim with Labour, with Alienation, with
the delicacies, goodies, niceties, and nighties of Man.
CarlzimC: Sharon knows many
Arab generals.
Einai2000:We often forget our
own wisdom, our memories weaken, they cloy, our anamnesis finds no life-buoy,
we pall, we get pale, we desperately pile all our wishes and expectations
in a single fatherly pail; the result: a completely unnecessary everlasting
pain, frustration.
juttaschmi:The
"right" MP's are being "elected" at the "right" time to serve specific
purposes of a given situation in the system, Carl.
CarlzimC:We let the con artists
to coninuously deeceive us.
CarlzimC:Agreed,
Jutta
Einai2000:Yes, put us in the
manicomio, in the madhouse!
juttaschmi:Let's
get away from our pipe- and daydreams for a moment, and proceed.
CarlzimC:Continue.
Einai2000:Our problem: we simply
forget to "make" History that exists "inside a n d outside" of Labour,
to emancipate ourselves, not from the Patria, nor from Labour, not from
Capital, not from History, but from Ourselves and Others, from the non-related
Monstrosities, from the alienated Nonentities that Labour permanently is
producing.
juttaschmi:Franz,
so, what happens, when we say goodbye to the pipedreams?
juttaschmi:Ok.
Einai2000:Therewith we come
to the third part of my infamous statement!
Einai2000:And
now, 3) -- "History transcends itself, as NEITHER inside NOR outside of
Labour, as NEITHER inside NOR outside of Itself, toward myriad OTHER Spheres."
juttaschmi:We
would be emancipating ourselves.
Einai2000:Let's see, Jutta.
juttaschmi:Problem:
Neither-Nor presupposes at least three postulates, Franz.
Einai2000:Emancipation is stepping
into History, but this is not a vacation, the "Happy End"; there we are
not going to bask in the sun; we are not going to devour savoury roast
pigs, flying around our pink noses; we are not going to drink nectar and
sleep in beds of roses, perfumed by all the oils of Arabia. Right here,
all these the Illuminati, the moguls, the mongols are already doing.
juttaschmi:I
don't mind eating a sizzling steak anyway, Franz ... ;-)
CarlzimC:Baked salmon,
here.
juttaschmi:
Haha, and grilled trout here!!
Einai2000:I'm getting hungry,
Carl.
Einai2000:My
concentration falters now.
juttaschmi:Does
this make Carl and me Illuminati and Moguls, Franz? :-)
Einai2000: Surely, not.
Nonetheless, Carl & Jutta: We excel as History, History transcends
as In, Of, By and For Ourselves.
CarlzimC:The Illuminati don't
have peace of mind. We do.
Einai2000:Agreed, Carl.
juttaschmi:Franz.
I have a problem.
Einai2000:We historians, emancipators
have to transcend History, because as a Sphere, History is transcending
itself. History, at least, is learning from History Itself. It transcends
its own omnipotence, its omnipresence, its omniscience, omniformity, its
Hen Kai Pan, its Unomnia, its One-And-All, Labour, Alienation.
Einai2000:What's
the problem, Jutta?
juttaschmi:Of,
by and for Ourselves.
CarlzimC:How do we apply what
we discussed tonight to our daily lives?
Einai2000:Don't you know that
that is the essence of "democracy", Jutta? No problem!
juttaschmi:This
means, that "Ourselves" must be manifold, because only something, that
has innumerable "dimensions", could be "doing" this.
juttaschmi:I'm
so democratic tonight ...
CarlzimC: Hen Kai Pan
(I'm hungry for Chinese food).
Einai2000: I feel like relishing
a Chinese "Po-Po-Plate". Jokes aside, I'll explain that later, Carl.
CarlzimC:OK, Franz
Einai2000:Yes, Flied
Lice would do too!
Einai2000:Proceeding
... History detonates its own Space and Time Barriers, its Body and Mind
and "Soul" Barriers. It does not blame God or the Devil for these. It does
not hate or despise Labour or Capital for having produced these alienating
monstrosities. It has no space and time for such mundane educational fabrications.
juttaschmi:Carl,
Hen Kai Pan sounds great indeed, and it makes hungry - yet
it is the postulate of the Greek philosopher Parmenides: One-And-All.
Einai2000:At its own risk,
leaving Patrian and Labour boredom, taking up its own cosmic and ontic
responsibility, transcending other spheres, History excels as NEITHER Labour
NOR Capital, NEITHER Life NOR Death, from ONENESS, to OTHERNESS, to ANOTHERNESS,
to ONE-AND-OTHERNESS, to ONEANOTHERNESS, etc., etc.
CarlzimC:Thanks, Jutta
juttaschmi:(Wish
we could make Hen Kai Pan - Suey of it.)
Einai2000:In this way, History
historicizes itself, emancipates itself from Itself, and therewith from
Labour, from Work, from Man. Without the necessity of exhausting energy
of any type, easily we are philosophizing, historically we are reaching
for the Magellanic Clouds, now let's chat relaxed and happily!
CarlzimC:The Greeks traded
with Korea; hence, Greek influences in Korean art.
juttaschmi:Franz,
Carl wants to know, how we can apply what we discussed tonight in everyday
life.
Einai2000:Now, Carl, what is
the immediate lesson for all of us? Why did we explain all the above? What
do you think?
juttaschmi:For
a start, Carl: we have to leave the one-sidedness of the system. We have
to establish other kinds of relations with regard to what is happening
around us.
juttaschmi:Our
analysis, our thinking and acting will "expand", if we leave the unipolar,
unilateral straight jacket that is being sold to us in so many ways.
CarlzimC:To cope with our daily
lives - predict what the NWO will do and why!
Einai2000:All that we said
tonight, not only says NO! It knows why it says NO! It explains why we
say NO.
juttaschmi:For
instance. Not to be surprised of what is or will be going on, because we
know it must happen, according to our multi-mensional analysis of things.
Einai2000: Surely, not because
we are No-Brothers, because we have a No-Attitude, a Negative Approach
to things.
CarlzimC: knowledge of the
nature of things.
juttaschmi:Simplified:
It says Yes. It says No. It says Yes a n d No. It says
neither Yes nor No.
CarlzimC: It says all is related.
juttaschmi:All
steps included, understood, affirmed, negated, superated.
Einai2000: Bravo, Carl. Related
a n d Non-Related. Neither Related Nor Non-Related,
etc., there we go .... It's a scientific-philosophic No.
It does not blame anybody, it does not select Satanists and Illuminati
to be blamed for the earthly "vale of tears"; and thereafter, done with
the story; now we can fold our arms, and relish the capitalist niceties.
juttaschmi: It
says all is related. And to understand HOW things are related.
And to know the many different types of relations, to identify them
and to relate them to each other.
CarlzimC:War in Mideast, AIDS
in Africa, earthquake in India - all related.
juttaschmi:Correctly
so, Carl!!
Einai2000: NATO underground
atomic explosions, affect natural and geo-political equilibrium; the same
NATO experiments with AIDS, UN deliver experiments to Africa, to test;
all part of the bacteriological and chemical warfare game in the Middle
East, connected with the arsenal of weaponry of Israel, of Iraq, Iran,
Pakistan and India, who again got it from Russia, the NASA and the UN,
etc, ...
Einai2000: However, proveeding.
.. Our Science a n d Philosophy even puts Emancipation
to the iron test: by stating that History & Labour have produced the
monstrosities on Earth.
juttaschmi: As
emancipation relates to alienation, this is no surprise, Franz.
Einai2000:Hence, we have no
gods, no new idols, no Great Men, no Great Emancipation. We have NOTHING,
none of all these characters.
Einai2000:Correctly
so, Jutta.
CarlzimC:We have our independent
minds.
juttaschmi:We
cannot afford to "lose" or "deny" a single one of the realities we are
dealing with.
juttaschmi:We
have ourselves, Franz. Products of our own acting, thinking and excelling.
Einai2000:Yes, Carl. We placed
Knowledge and Wisdom very "high" on the pedestal of History.
CarlzimC:D'accord, Jutta.
juttaschmi:We
certainly have our independent minds, Carl. Independent presupposes, that
our minds know, what dependence is, and how it "works".
Einai2000:A socialist or communist
would die for his idol, Marx. We even questioned History & Emancipation.
juttaschmi:We
cannot afford to enjoy our "laurels", at no stage of our "cruise".
Einai2000:That is what I call
emancipatory bravery, true scientific and philosophic approach! We are
not "right", we are not "wrong", we are neither of the two!
Einai2000:These
are the lessons, the practical, the praxical, the theoretical ones.
CarlzimC:Visit www.arabia.com.
Join Discussion on whether Marxism will solve major problems in Mideast.
Einai2000:Somehow, replied
to your query, Carl?
CarlzimC:Excellent reply, Franz.
juttaschmi:Which
presupposes that we are right and that we are wrong. - Still haven't taken
a glance at the site, Carl. But I will do so.
Einai2000:Carl, Jutta, we'll
say Good Night here. I'll paste all the parts, put the pieces, together,
and send the whole chat to you all.
BLENDING, FADING OUT .....
CarlzimC:I'll send you what
I could save.
Einai2000:I have saved all.
it was a heavy chat, but one of our most important challenges.
Einai2000:yes,
please do, Carl.
juttaschmi:Okay,
Franz. Unfortunately, the first attempts of our chats got lost here - please
everybody sent what you have been able to recover.
juttaschmi:I
saved this part complete.
Einai2000:Greetings to Fran.
I "hope" you enjoyed the chat, Carl!
CarlzimC:Gute Nacht, schlafen
Sie wohl, Franz and Jutta.
juttaschmi:Carl,
it is always good to see you!
juttaschmi:Schlafen
Sie auch wohl, Carl.
Einai2000: Of course, we have
to read the chat slowly again, to study it carefully.
juttaschmi:And
send our regards to Fran.
Einai2000:Sleep well, don't
let the Illuminati bite!
juttaschmi:We
will study the chat, Franz, once you have sent it to us.
juttaschmi:Good
night, Carl and Franz.
CarlzimC:I enjoyed this chat.
Always good to see you & Franz. Fran sends her regards.
Einai2000:Good Night, Jutta
& Carl.
CarlzimC:Auf Wiedersehen!
juttaschmi:Thank
you, Carl. Take care and goodnight.
juttaschmi has left
the room.
Einai2000:Bye! Carl.
Take Care!
CarlzimC has left the
room.
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