Space, Time, Labour, Emancipation VI
What Produced Labour & Alienation?
How do we apply what we discussed tonight
to our daily lives?
Good, No-Good, Bad. Good a n d Bad. Neither
Good Nor Bad!
Affirmation, Negation. Contradiction. Superation.
20th February, 2001 (Carefully, Edited, Corrected Version)
SAYING: HI!
You have just entered room "juttaschmi Chat75."
juttaschmi:Hi,
where is Sven?
naranjahit:
Hi all!
CarlzimC:
Hi, all!
juttaschmi:Hi
Stella. I have to invite Sven.
juttaschmi:Hi
Carl. "Good" to see you.
flyout79 has entered
the room.
juttaschmi:Sven
is "flyout79" - can any of you invite him?
juttaschmi:ah,
there he is.
CarlzimC:
Sven is flyout79.
flyout79:
Ya, thanx!
naranjahit:
Sven is flyout79 - I try.
CarlzimC:
Hi, Sven
juttaschmi:Sven,
there you are.
flyout79:
no need to try
juttaschmi:Sven
is HERE!!!
juttaschmi:hahahahaha!
flyout79:
Stella. Thank you. Jutta did a "good" job.
naranjahit:
ok!
juttaschmi:Franz,
what about another try now?
flyout79:
:-) Well, Jutta is my cousin, so no wonder. HA HA HA!
juttaschmi:Yeah!
The Schmitts are simply invincible!
:-)
flyout79:
LOL.
CarlzimC:Franz, please
introduce the discussion
juttaschmi:Franz,
please proceed.
DOWN TO METHODICAL THOUGHT "BUSINESS"
panta98:OK!
Here we go again!
panta98:Let
me just indicate a very simple praxical-theoretical aspect of our Science
& Philosophy.
juttaschmi:Okay.
panta98:I'll
explain it step-by-step.
panta98:To
achieve this what I'm going to explain in few words, is the cosmic-ontic
key to History and Emancipation.
juttaschmi:Please
go ahead, Franz
panta98:Thus
listen and follow me very carefully. I will oversimplify so that our guests
could also follow. We will even repeat and over-exaggerate so that the
message
is drilled into our brains!
juttaschmi:Sounds
wonderful to me!
panta98:Hence,
please be not bothered with the excessive examples, it is a necessary exercise!
I'm sure you'll enjoy it, and will remember some words, whenever you utter
them. If we check our daily thoughts and expressions, we would note how
we classify any person or event.
panta98:Generally,
we think, classify and judge with two possibilities, with an either-or
mode.
juttaschmi:Either
good or bad.
panta98:Of
course, one of them is my favourite, is correct, is true, is good.
juttaschmi: Aha!
naranjahit:
Iris just sent a mail: in the Internet Cafe, neither ICQ nor AOL is installed,
she is doing this now!
panta98: EITHER
Icame
to this conclusion, OR it is the generally accepted, true, correct,
good version willy-nilly adopted and adapted by me.
juttaschmi:Thank
you, Stella. Keep us informed - change your colour please, and switch to
bold.
naranjahit:
ok
panta98:Very
few people realize that this form of action and thought, for millennia
already, is in reality Labour Newspeak, is Pure Ideology.
flyout79:
Why switch to bold?
juttaschmi: Reads
better, Sven.
panta98: So
that I could see better!
juttaschmi: Colour/Bold.
flyout79:
Okay, okay!
juttaschmi:That's
it!!!
juttaschmi:Franz,
please continue.
panta98:What
do you all think about the idea that you are using Newspeak everyday?
Is this True or Not-True, False?
juttaschmi:It
is a matter of fact, Franz. This is, what we have been taught from the
cradle on, beginning with the fairy tales ...
juttaschmi:...
where there is always the good and the bad guy.
juttaschmi:And
of course, everybody is supposed to identify him/herself with the "good',
"bright, "white" things in life.
panta98:Anybody
around, not using Newspeak, Labour Ideology, everyday in general
discussions and debates?
panta98:Well,
let's continue. ....
juttaschmi:You
will find this good/bad thing in all aspects of discussion, education,
media, etc. etc.
CarlzimC:Who decides what is
good or bad?
juttaschmi:Society
does, Carl, it is a matter of manipulation.
panta98:Excellent,
Carl. I'll come to that just now!
panta98:Agreed,
Jutta. Proceeding ....
panta98:It
is not that we are threatened by Mind and Thought Control, for donkey years
already, we have been manipulated and indoctrinated. We are mental products,
products of labour, goods, goodies, intellectual wares. This is so, whether
we like it or not, whether we think that it is "good" or "not-good".
juttaschmi:"Good"
is, what does not affect the system in it's functioning. "Bad" is, what
negates it.
panta98:Yes,
Jutta, but also that what keeps it moving, its dynamism. I'll come to the
"good" just now too.
juttaschmi:okay,
Franz.
panta98:What
does it mean, to be indoctrinated, be manipulated, to have an enslaved
mind, a master-slave mentality?
panta98:Any
idea, any answer, please?
juttaschmi:It
means not being aware of what is REALLY going on, Franz.
juttaschmi:Levels
and degrees of reality - ideology is one of them.
juttaschmi:And
ideology is keeping people from asking questions, from questioning the
system they live in.
panta98:Perhaps
they may ask what is going on in the fake labour world, but not elsewhere,
not so, Jutta?
juttaschmi:There
is one labour world, Franz, and it may well appear in different aspects.
juttaschmi:The
reality of the labour world is, it is a world of economic exploitation
- exploitation of the physical and/or intelllectual labour force.
CarlzimC:Good or bad results
in violence everywhere today.
panta98:Agreed
Jutta. Well, whatever the answer may be: Now, EITHER we believe
that ONLY one reality, only one truth, that only one good thing
exist, OR we think that one and more of them do exist in
various
spheres.
juttaschmi:The
fake reality is all that has to do with the consumer world, where they
make the labour force "think", they are the "kings" of the system - (Der
Kunde ist König, wie man so nett auf Deutsch sagt.)
panta98:"Good"
or "Bad" Results, Carl. That's the Question?
juttaschmi:"Good"
and "bad" are terms, that describe different sides of the same relation,
whereas the meaning is dependent on the "observer".
panta98:Truly
so, Jutta. In the first case, we cannot be manipulated; we are happy with
our own lot. Nothing in Heaven and on Earth can change our views anymore.
Fine! Excellent!! We are "Yes-Goods"! Yes-Wares!
panta98:In
the second case, certainly, all our lives, we have been victims of serious
manipulation and indoctrination, especially via official education. We
are Not-Yes, "No-Goods". No-Wares!
panta98:Now
my question to all of you: Why should there only be two views of anything
that exclude each other?
juttaschmi:What
concerns the "king" of the consumer world, he might as well become a beggar
over night, if he/she loses his/her job....
CarlzimC:Jutta, in the Mideast-War,
in Israel/Palestine and Iraq, and in shopping festivals planned for the
UAE and Lebanon!
juttaschmi:Shopping
Festivals?! - Have you heard of a "disease" they are talking about in North
America, that is called "compulsive shopping"? -
panta98:Sven,
any idea?
panta98:Stella,
a brain-wave?
naranjahit:No
brain wave left today.
juttaschmi:People
shop their lives away, because this is the only thing they are supposed
to do. But if they do it, they are prescribed "anti-shopping-pills"! What
a world! What a wonderful world ...
flyout79:No
idea left tonight.
CarlzimC:Yep, Franz - The real
"kings" are making big profits - military and consumer products and oil.
juttaschmi:Stella!
Sven! Have a coffee!!!
panta98:Stella
and Sven, that's not "good". Please examine your minds, how many views
of things do you have? How are the results: "Good" or "Bad"?
panta98:Are
the views "true" or "false"?
CarlzimC:Dr. Death joins Dr.
Shopping!
juttaschmi:Well,
the problem is, Franz, that there are many more views of things than EITHER
the one OR the other.
juttaschmi:The
Dr. Death/Dr. Shopping Syndrome, Carl.
panta98:Proceeding:
... Yes, Jutta, for example: NEITHER the one NOR the other! Why
always either good or not-good, bad? Either true or not-true?
Either white or not-white? Are things like "zxyn" or "xxyzznxx"
not, do they not exist, can they not excel?
juttaschmi:Because
they say you can't have both, Franz. The question is? Why not?
panta98:Children
know better, they take all the sweets! And, is it not so: when we see something
as both good and bad, then we are contradicting ourselves, are locos,
loco de remate, cocos locos!?
CarlzimC:When I express these
views on the Mideast forums, usually they are ridiculed, followed by a
hacker attempt.
panta98:Carl,
not only in the Mideast, also in the Midwest, Midsouth and Midnorth! Why
do we hate contradictions, who taught us to hate them? Why is a contradiction
not-true, not-good, not-real, not-white? This is a crucial question, the
crux of the indoctrinatory matrix!
CarlzimC:Recently some hornets
are expressing interest.
juttaschmi:True,
Franz. And, Carl: this doesn't surprise me. You try to see things from
both sides, and people just don't like this.
CarlzimC:Jutta,
or they're afraid.
juttaschmi:Affirming
a contradiction is the "ticket to the mad house", Franz.
naranjahit:Iris
sent a mail: she is loading AOL.
panta98:Jutta,
imagine telling somebody that the "Truth" is, at least, two-sided. How
can the man then be "right"? He must protest! Carl, send the hornets to
our Home Pages and Forums. De-programming takes some "good time", eventually,
they themselves will search for other ideas. Sven
and Stella, did you ever contradict yourselves?
naranjahit:I
think so.
panta98:An
example? Stella, "I think" is a contradiction, and if not, then it is not
"thinking", but something else, for example, "doublethink", "newspeak",
"think good", "good idea". "goodwill", "bienestar".
flyout79:If
I understand that rite, then yes!
naranjahit:Wait,
I have to read back.
juttaschmi:-
Thanks, Stella.
panta98:Sven,
a very logical answer! Furthermore: Why, in
the first place, is only
A, good, white, democratic,
true? Who manipulated us into such uni-laterality, into
such one mindedness?
flyout79:Did
some of you see the film "The Rock" (great movie, besides).
CarlzimC:Yep!
naranjahit:Yes!
flyout79: Anybody
else?
juttaschmi:No,
I didn't see The Rock, Sven
panta98:No,
Sven. What is it about?
juttaschmi:What
is it about?
CarlzimC:Sven, please describe
your view of The Rock
juttaschmi:Please
give us a short overview, Sven.
flyout79:
It is about a General in the US Army who captures Alcatraz.
panta98:OK!
flyout79:
and tries to äm, erpressen (Jutta) the government um
flyout79:
Jutta, hilfst du mir? (Jutta, help!)
juttaschmi:yes,
I will, Sven
juttaschmi:erpressen
is to blackmail
naranjahit:Jutta
you saw it, it is one of those films they show on Venevision every second
Saturday!
flyout79:Familien
zu entschädigen, deren Söhne als Soldaten im Vietman starben.
panta98:Jutta,
please translate!
juttaschmi:The
General tries to blackmail the government, in exchange to recompense the
families, whose sons had to die in Vietnam.
flyout79:
It's with Sean Connery and Nicolas Cage.
juttaschmi:ok.
flyout79:
did you see it, Jutta?
juttaschmi:I
did not, Sven.
juttaschmi:How
does it end?
juttaschmi:Is
the General succesful?
panta98:Why
did you think about this film, Sven?
flyout79:
No he is not. He is killed.
flyout79:
What I wanted to say is ...
panta98:Listening
....
flyout79:
... is posing a question.
panta98:Excellent!.
juttaschmi:please
proceed, Sven
juttaschmi:pose
your question.
flyout79:
Is this General doing a "good" thing or is he doing a "bad" thing?
juttaschmi:That
is an excellent question!
flyout79:
He takes over Alcatraz ...
panta98:Well,
Sven, as we continue, let's try to solve this "riddle".
flyout79:
... but he wants to help the families who lost their sons in war.
panta98:I'll
continue, and immediately after my short introduction, we'll tackle this
problem.
flyout79:
Okay Franz, proceed.
juttaschmi:It
seems there are the famous two sides - "good" from the point of view of
the families, "bad" from the point of view of the government.
panta98:Now,
the problem is, whether we like it or not, this is precisely how we think
daily, how we judge things, what we hear all around us.
flyout79:
rite, Jutta!
naranjahit:Exacltly
so, Jutta
flyout79:
But who decides?
flyout79:
Stella? How do you decide?
juttaschmi:So,
this good/bad thing is not of much value, it seems.
juttaschmi:The
government decides, Sven.
panta98:Of
course, we could affirm a single thing, only that what is true, good, democratic,
capitalist or white. No Problem!
CarlzimC: The NWO = big international
business decides.
juttaschmi:Truly
so, Carl.
panta98:Also
we could affirm the opposite, could be a liar, be a no-good, a goodfornothing,
a terrorist, a communist or a Black. Also, no problem, enjoy it!
juttaschmi:And
ideology has to do with making the people side with the government, with
"big brother", etc.
panta98:Sven,
I'm answering your question. ... proceeding ... By this very same "right",
by this "human right", we could think differently, for example, to accept
the two versions, both as different sides of the same single, one reality.
Also, no problem with this view! This is called "dialectics", contradiction.
naranjahit:And
side with the negation though, isn't it so, Jutta?
panta98:However,
a different thing is an opposite, is an "opposite opinion", is a contradiction.
juttaschmi:Of
course we can affirm whatever side we want, Franz. Also both sides of the
issue, and this is, where "contradiction" sets in - something the logic
of the system does not permit.
panta98:How
do we excel, surpass "contradictions", different but the
very same things?
juttaschmi:Yes,
siding with the negation of the system makes you at least a terrorist,
Stella.
panta98:Anybody
has an idea?
panta98:How
do we surpass "good or bad"?
juttaschmi:The
first step towards surpassing contradictions is, to accept them as valid,
as true statements. That is the very first step.
flyout79:
Please give the answer, Franz
panta98:Agreed
Jutta. Sven, Jutta took the first step of the answer. Who does this?
Folks, this what is elucidated very simply here, are the results of a decade
of stringent complex philosophizing.
juttaschmi:To
accept a contradiction presupposes to affirm BOTH sides.
juttaschmi:You
find this in dialectics, Franz, but nowhere else within the system - and
remember, dialectics, after all, is still part of the system.
naranjahit:We
have to do this.
panta98:D'accord,
Jutta. Who decides? President Bush? Prof.
Armstrong? Dr. Dolittle? Dr. Strangelove"? Virginia Woolf? My "husband"?
My "boy"?
CarlzimC:In Israel today, two
Israeli policemen who killed a Palestinian child in October are on trial.
They are Arabs. The mother of the child fainted, and the father and another
relative tried to beat up one of the policemen.
juttaschmi:Hegel
affirms contradictions.
panta98:Hegel
is probably the only person of billions who truly had confirmed a contradiction
until now!
CarlzimC:Yep, Jutta - thesis,
antithesis, synthesis
juttaschmi:Definitely
so, Franz and Carl.
juttaschmi:Dialectics
is about taking TWO sides into consideration.
juttaschmi:And
not even this has struck the majority of the dwellers of this planet as
yet.
panta98:Nearly
everybody is non-contradictory. If they would be contradictory, they would
think that they are mad, fit for the asylum.
naranjahit:Iris
sent a mail: she needs more time.
juttaschmi:Okay,
Stella.
CarlzimC:In the Mideast, all
countries are ruled by Hegelian State religions.
naranjahit:Greetings
from Iris.
juttaschmi:Thanks,
Stella.
panta98:OK!
We'll await Iris!
panta98:Proceeding
... Stella, Sven, Carl ... How do we get away from the "white or black",
"true or false", "good or bad" tango?
CarlzimC:These State religions
added shopping to their agendas.
juttaschmi:The
majority of the billions on this planet "think" in non-contradiction terms.
That is precisely the logic of the system, Franz, the Formal Logic.
juttaschmi:The
State, for Hegel, was considered "reason materialized", Carl.
CarlzimC:Thou shalt
shop for all eternity!
juttaschmi:And
the state on the political level has a corresponding part on the economic
level - capital (Marx).
CarlzimC:D'accord, Jutta
panta98:Carl,
a new "Eleventh Commandment"? I may add the "Twelfth One": Thou
shalt pay thy Taxes! Carl, as stated before, this is the problem
of the whole Mid-East, Mid-West, Wild West, the Orient, the South, etc.
...
CarlzimC:Agreed, Franz.
panta98:Proceeding
... the answer: Very simply. To accept them as two versions of the same
reality, but to confront them with other realities, truths, colours.
CarlzimC:Visit the following
URL on the media:
CarlzimC:http://www.tomdavisbooks.com/library/mockingbird.html
panta98:Thanks,
Carl.
juttaschmi:That
is the problem of dialectics, Franz: it is about the two sides of the same,
ONE thing.
juttaschmi:Thanks
for the URL, Carl.
panta98:Neither
White Nor Black. Neither True Nor False. Neither Good Nor Bad. Neither
Democratic Nor Terrorist.
panta98:Of
course, this is the trampolin out of Formal Logic, Dialectics and Space-Time
Mind Barriers! This is what emancipatory "Education" is all about! In everyday
life, how to achieve this "miracle" is essentially what our chats teach
us. Now, can anybody solve Sven's riddle?
juttaschmi:This
is something beyond the "reason" of the system, Franz. Neither
- Nor - simply does not exist foor them.
panta98:Yes,
Jutta, and I'm afraid, for the majority of our Pandemonium Crew too. It
will take some very, very, long, long, "good time", to make them see the
light, in the long, long, dark, stark dark labour tunnel!
AOL Throws Panta98
(Franz) Offline!
Return of the Saint as: Einai2000!
.......
You have just entered room "juttaschmi Chat75."
juttaschmi:Stella
has to quit, she only got 6 hours left to sleep and has a busy day tomorrow.
Einai2000:Well,
Hi! Franz, here!!
flyout79:
oh
Einai2000:OK!
flyout79:
ok
Einai2000:Let's
get down to Sven's problem!
CarlzimC:Please continue.
flyout79:
okay
Einai2000:AOL
blocked panta98
to
enter again! This happens every week.
juttaschmi:Where
were we?
juttaschmi:We
were talking about contradictions.
Einai2000:Jutta,
was the General or Captain "good" or "bad"?
Einai2000:Did
he contradict himself?
flyout79:
That is the question I wanted to post, yes!
juttaschmi: I
said that Hegel was probably the only one, who truly operated with real
contradictions. His dialectical thinking has no forerunner whatsoever in
the whole history of philosophy and logic.
flyout79:
He was convinced he was doing rite.
Einai2000:Was
Hegel or the General schizophrenic, a split-personality? Or did Hollywood
utilize its special technique of further masking global ideology?
juttaschmi:Exactly,
Sven: and "right" for Hegel means "right AND wrong".
flyout79:
No.
Einai2000: Sven,
did the General explain why he was "right". Did he come to this conclusion
all by himself? Did he apply certain social norms, rules? Or did he apply
the "OR" rules, the generally not accepted ways of behaviour?
juttaschmi:No,
Hegel was no schizoprenic, Franz. Perhaps for those who would never accept
dialectics, he was, indeed, schizophrenic.
CarlzimC:Hegel was a smart
businessman.
flyout79:
My General thought he was right, because he would help those families.
He did not see that he risked new lives.
juttaschmi: Sorry
Sven, I just realized you were talking about the General. Anyhow, as well
as the General in "The Rock" as well as Hegel, the philosopher, both were
convinced that they were "right".
CarlzimC:There will be a major
war in the Mideast to reverse economic downturn in USA ...
CarlzimC:
... and to prevent recession.
Einai2000:Of
course, in our daily world, you can do "right" or "wrong" things; they
are two sides of the same "right" things. What is forbidden, is to do BOTH,
or worse even, to do neither of the two. The guy just
did the other "right" thing, the "not-right" thing. The "not-right" thing,
the "bad" thing, is the "right thing", is the negative side of the same
"right thing", is always "right".
Einai2000: This
is how everyday things function. What was "not-right" yesterday, could
be "right" today, and will be "not-right" tomorrow again! In any case,
Today is Yesterday's Tomorrow!
juttaschmi:It
seems things are going this way, Carl. This is "horrible", but just like
things function on a world wide level.
juttaschmi:You
have a point there, Franz.
CarlzimC:All sides will be
right and wrong, and all will be killing and shopping.
flyout79:
:-) killing and shopping. Yes!
juttaschmi:That's
a pretty "cool" way to put it, Carl!
CarlzimC:Shopping = right =
wrong. You can return the merchandise.
juttaschmi:Killing
and shopping - where is the difference?
:-)
Einai2000:Yes,
Carl. That is what we do all over, in the Mideast, in the USA, in China,
in Russia, in Iraq, everywhere, daily. That's the Fatherland, the Patria,
Labour, Alienation. That's why we strive for Peace, and make Not-Peace,
War. Attacking Iraq and have "Peace Talks" in the Mideast! In which kindergarten,
which school, which university, are you being taught all these? What a
wonderful Education!!
CarlzimC:No real difference.
CarlzimC:Franz,
that's all doublethink = Newspeak = bullscheisse.
Einai2000:The
same deed could be "right" or "not-right".
CarlzimC:Sanctions will be
lifted from Iraq and Iran, so they'll shop!
juttaschmi:Right
or wrong - absurd in any case.
juttaschmi:That's
what sanctions are all about: to shop or not to shop - that's the question
here,
Carl! ;-)
Einai2000:Imagine
Jack The Ripper violating a girl. For him it is a good thing, satisfying
his carnal desires. For the girl it is "not-good", is a very "bad"
thing, a nightmare. It just depends who is doing the labour tango! Or the
bull-fighting! In the factory, good and bad, also function side by side.
"Right" and "Wrong", "Good" and "Bad", are the very two sides of
our global system, of Labour itself.
CarlzimC:Israeli, Arab, Russian,
Pakistani and other mafias are ruling the Mideast ...
CarlzimC:
... Intellectuals are ignored.
juttaschmi:right
/ wrong, good / bad - clearly the two sides of the same (perverse) thing,
Franz.
Einai2000:For
them, for this power elite, Carl, it's morally good, is ethically good
for humanity. ... that's what ethics and morals are all about on our globe.
juttaschmi:Wars
are certainly good for the USA military-industrial complex.
Einai2000:For
the wretched it is "not-good". Now how do we get rid of these "good" and
"not-good" things, Carl? How do we emancipate ourselves from this horror?
What Is To Be Done? The Pen Is Mightier Than The Sword! But, Deeds weigh
more than Words! Very Strange indeed, in deed???
juttaschmi:Wars
are excellent to get a given economy out of recession.
Einai2000:What
is the only way? To get rid of all these?
CarlzimC:In Algeria, the Cheb
(young) singers are making big money on CD's and are culturally linked
to France, disregarding Franz Fanon.
juttaschmi:Whenever
there is a major or even dramatic economic recession, war is the best way
out! A "good" thing, so to speak.
flyout79:
A "good" thing to the economy.
CarlzimC:The Cheb's
(like Cheb Mami) are young Algerian street singers.
flyout79:
No good thing in general. But what I am stating? Did I decide this?
Einai2000:All
attempts till now, no matter how sincere, how honourable, not a single
one got rid of the "good" and the "not-good". Why?
juttaschmi:Exactly,
Sven: a good thing for the economy, is a bad thing for those, who have
to fight and die.
juttaschmi:And
those who have to fight and die, the "Kanonenfutter" (the cannon fodder),
don't decide on war and peace.
flyout79:
rite, Jutta.
juttaschmi:sadly
so, Sven.
flyout79:
So it's twice a bad thing.
Einai2000:Yes,
Sven, a double cross, doublecrossing. Hegel calls it: "Negation of the
Negation". All just wanted to preserve the
"good", do "good", collect "goodies", goods, sanctioned by the Go(o)ds!
juttaschmi:Yes,
it is twice a bad thing!
Einai2000:Are
we not saying everyday, how good we are, how much good we want to do, defending
the "good"?
Einai2000:Do
not both the Arabs and Israelis have a "good" cause?
juttaschmi:Franz,
how can you send your soldiers to war, without the Freund/Feind (Friend/Foe)
scheme, without the good/bad brain conditioning?
Einai2000:Do
not both, including Bush, want Peace? Jutta, not only under war conditions,
also ever since "divide et impera", also, the intra-marriage fights among
husbands and wives, daughters and sons, etc.
CarlzimC:The Universal Soldier
(Buffy Saint Marie) uses his body as the weapon of the war...decides who's
to live and who's to die.
juttaschmi:It
is part of ideology, to build up a thorough Feindbild (an enemy image),
so at the time the soldiers have to go to war, they will be conditioned
to hit the "bad guy(s)".
Einai2000:Similarly,
everybody wants to live, and fear not-live. Also here is a problem.
CarlzimC:Rule of the Generals
and Mafias in Mideast - Many Arab Generals are Sharon's buddies.
Einai2000:All
Labour and Capital Illuminati Buddies! The Power Elite. As Hegel and Marx
would say: A Class For Themselves! Don't we
say "Good Night", every night after our Chat? Don't we as "good people"
have our "Good Friday", "Goodyear", "Good Lord", "Good-King-Henry",
our "think good", "goodnature", "goodwill", "goodsense", "goodspeed", "good
books", "goodnow", "goodman", "gooddame", "goodfather", etc.? All official
British words!
CarlzimC:Arab Generals have
not objected to Sharon 's election.
flyout79:
We do so.
Einai2000:We
are really "Very Good"!
juttaschmi:Let's
end this chat by saying "bad night" then, Franz. ;-)
juttaschmi:Sharon
is the "right" man at the "right" time for the NWO, Carl.
juttaschmi:A
really "good" guy.
juttaschmi:The
"best" pick under the given "bad" cirumstances.
CarlzimC:Let's end the chats
with "emancipatory greetings".
Einai2000: No,
the latest is Weder Gute Nacht Noch Schlechte Nacht,
Carl!
flyout79:
Good idea, Carl!
juttaschmi:This
means "Neither Good Nor Bad Night".
juttaschmi: "Absurd
Night".
Einai2000:That's
what the above underlined mean!
CarlzimC: Sharon is the NWO's
man.
juttaschmi:
Heheehe,
just joking.
juttaschmi:Exactly
so, Carl, and this is, why Sharon is "good", if not to say "the best".
juttaschmi:That's
the problem.
CarlzimC:Sharon = MacArthur
= Zhukov = Rommel.
Einai2000:Who
has a problem with a Neither Good Night Nor A Bad Night Wish? The interesting
thing is: What kind of Wish is that? It's so new, so original, so authentic
that we do not even know yet what it could be! How many "Good Days, Nights,
Mornings and Afternoons" over millennia have polluted the Earth's atmosphere
already? What a collection of age-old, ancient, obsolete statements, with
no content, no form, with nothing anymore! How innocent we state them,
with so much love and care, and we don't know their real, true essence!
juttaschmi:It
sounds like an emancipatory wish, Franz.
CarlzimC:I have no problem
with it, Franz, but let's use our own closings.
Einai2000:This
trialogical transcendental wish is something unheard of, something new,
original, authentic, something on the horizon, in the aurora, out of this
world, out of this labour
world. But not in "space" terminology.
juttaschmi:-
Agreed on "our own closings", Carl!!
CarlzimC:I will use a variety
of closings such as "und morgen die ganze Internet."
Einai2000:Sven.
do you follow?
Einai2000:Iris
is just phoning, she could not connect!
flyout79:
I try to do so.
CarlzimC:Sven, my late
father was born in USA and of German extraction.
flyout79:
I am reading somewhere above.
Einai2000:Sven,
could you imagine anything that is neither good nor bad?
CarlzimC:My grandparents immigrated
from Germany to the USA in the 1890's.
Einai2000:Well,
I'm neither White nor Black!
flyout79:
I can hardly imagine while trying to be honest, Franz.
flyout79:
Sure I can imagine.
flyout79:
It's my General, I think.
Einai2000:What
we say here in our chats is also neither true nor false. Can you do anything
with our ideas and thoughts?
flyout79:
I hope so.
CarlzimC:I'm a mix of
white, brown and yellow - product of integration under the bedsheet.
Einai2000:A
Neither-Nor Carl. That's the problem, Sven. That's why I chose this theme
for this chat.
flyout79:
It's your opinions and I love to get to know new opinions. so I can select
the "best" ones for me.
Einai2000:I
like the "best" ones in quotation marks! You learn pretty fast, Sven!
I know that it is unimaginable for many. It's simply well-nigh impossible
for one to leave the dualistic life style.
CarlzimC:Excellent, Franz.
Einai2000:We
have been indoctrinated properly.
Einai2000:Not
only you, Sven, all of us.
CarlzimC:We address the matrix
of reality.
Einai2000:I
wanted to make us aware of our central problems.
CarlzimC:A system of interconnected
links.
Einai2000:Many
deny that they are either-or's, but that's how it is!
juttaschmi:Greetings
from Iris to all of you - she just phoned and said, that she could not
connect from the Internet cafe - some LAN configuration problem.
juttaschmi:She
will try again next Tuesday.
Einai2000:If
we do not fathom this dualism, if we don't become aware of it, we could
not even begin emancipating ourselves.
CarlzimC:Please give our regards
to Iris.
flyout79:
yes, please do so.
juttaschmi:Thank
you, Carl, I will.
juttaschmi:Thank
you, Sven.
Einai2000:In
fact, we can not even commence thinking, because that is what thought is
all about. Thinking is Surpassing, Excelling, towards Emancipation.
CarlzimC:Franz, and we won't
survive the Mideast war ...
CarlzimC:and
mind controlled killings.
juttaschmi:Mind
controlled killings?
Einai2000:What
we really are, Carl, how we really exist, and how we truly transcend, we
don't know still.
juttaschmi:Please
explain, Carl.
Einai2000:The
question is: What is survival? Surely not the ransacking, rampage of Nature.
CarlzimC:In USA, two teenagers
killed two professors (husband and wife) in Dartmouth College in New Hampshire.
juttaschmi:We
are well on our way, Franz. We have already seen, that there is good,
bad, good and bad, neither good nor bad. And that is much, much more,
than what many can come to see.
CarlzimC:No motive.
juttaschmi:Another
one of those "killing sprees", Carl?!
Einai2000:If
the only way to survive is to work, to labour, to destroy
Nature and Society, and Ourselves, then we won't survive the Mideast War.
For that there is no emancipatory "recipe"! Survival here on Earth, for
man, is killing everything, including Himself! who still has eyes to see,
please, open them very wide!!!
juttaschmi:"Surviving"
- the concept indicates the problem already..
Einai2000:However,
if survival is Neither Peace Nor War, then we are very much alive, surviving,
transcending.
CarlzimC:Franz, without your
emancipatory philosophy, won't survive walking out the door
CarlzimC:of
our homes?
juttaschmi:And,
nowadays, things are heading straight "back" to where they were in the
stone age - tribes would not dare to leave their cave without being armed
with clubs, prepared for the danger outside and around the corner. This
is, what living in Caracas, for example, is like.
juttaschmi:Never
go out without a club, knive, gun, etc. to protect yourself in case of
aggression - this is the situation the whole of Venezuela is living these
days.
juttaschmi:knife
Einai2000:Of
course, Carl. An excellent observation!
Well,
neither the teenagers needed to kill the professors, nor was it necessary
for the professors to get killed by the teenagers, the question is: Did
or do they all live? And how can they kill or die, when they were never
ever alive? When they did not transcend the unilaterality of Death! The
Labour Process!!
CarlzimC:We will survive by
transcending - creating art, music, writing, photography
juttaschmi:You
have another point there, Franz.
juttaschmi:Carl,
agreed.
Einai2000:Yes,
Carl. You mention it. Anything we wish! In fact, the whole Labour Drama,
is Death killing Death!
CarlzimC:Jutta, Caracas = Mackie
Messer (Mack The Knife, Brecht/Weill, Drei Groschensoper).
juttaschmi:Labour
= destruction of nature, economic exploitation, political domination, social
discrimination and human alienation = Death.
CarlzimC:Today the labor drama
is death = shopping.
juttaschmi:Carl,
truly so! Mackie Messer!
CarlzimC:Shop until you drop.
juttaschmi:buy
until you die
Einai2000:Carl,
you and Jutta are poets! Yes, you shop yourself to death: Mad Food, Cloned
Ritalin, No True Lila-Kuh Chocolates anymore!
CarlzimC:Yep, Jutta.
CarlzimC:Goetterdaemmerung.
juttaschmi:Sven,
Bernd mentioned something about the "frenzy" the Germans are living these
days because of fear of poisoned food - Mad Cow disease, etc.
CarlzimC:Mad Max Disease
Einai2000:In
Africa the wretched starve, they need food to live; in Europe and the USA,
the "democratic" majority is affluent; they need pills and cloned foodstuffs
to die! That's the paradox of our "time", of our millennium!
juttaschmi:So,
if you buy food in Germany or elsewhere in Europe, you have to watch out
for what you are buying. Food can be deadly.
CarlzimC:In Deutschland, Franz,
UK, etc.
CarlzimC:Chernobyl
radiation in Russland.
juttaschmi:And
food, THE survival item, has been converted to poison in itself!
Einai2000:Labour
mortal products into itself, into Alienation, into Death what it really,
truly is! When shall they ever learn? When shall they ever taste the moribund
fruits of labour? Yes, Carl. But the USA won't
be saved from this epidemic, it is the Alpha and Omega of this "Shop Till
You Drop"!
flyout79:
Didn't you know? BSE?
CarlzimC:Dragon fever
in China (lots of rice on the floor).
CarlzimC:No
one will be saved.
juttaschmi:We
have heard of that, Sven. BSE, exactly. You cannot even risk to eat "Leberkäse"
anymore - something I loved to eat!
flyout79:
It's all over Europe. Thousands and hundred thousands of cows are killed
these days because they got BSE.
CarlzimC:Ebola case
in Canada.
flyout79:
and not only the cows got BSE (a neural Krankheit).
juttaschmi:And
it will not stop with the cows. Next are chicken / eggs (Salmonellen),
wine (Frostschutzmittel), CocaCola (Putzmittelrückstände), etc.
etc.
Einai2000:You
spoke about half-man, half-machine last time. We have all these mixtures
already: half tomato, half Demerol; half-dog, half-man; half-killer, half-victim;
half-good, half-bad.
flyout79:
rite. No Leberkäse, but not even Gummibärchen, because there's
gelantine in it.
Einai2000: Poor
Stella, she loves them so much! Good Food, Bad Poison!
juttaschmi:Half
Food, Half Poison.
juttaschmi:Was?
They banned Gummibärchen, too?!
flyout79:
And gelatine contains rests of animals. So it is everywhere.
juttaschmi:This
is too much!
CarlzimC:NWO's agenda = depopulate
world to controllable 1 billion.
juttaschmi:The
whole food range is poisoned, then..
Einai2000:Half-Genius,
Half-Idiot! The Body, the Mind Poisoned. Poison Rules The World!!
flyout79:
Oh they don't ban it. If you eat it, you do so at your own risk.
juttaschmi:Half
alive, half dead - Zombie.
CarlzimC:Schwarzenegger is
1/2 man, 1/2 machine in cinema.
juttaschmi:What
a horror, Sven!
Einai2000:Where
are the "good" old days of "Half A Loaf Is Better Than No Bread"?
flyout79:
Of course, Jutta. You can't imagine.
juttaschmi:People
must be really scared, Sven. What is there left to eat?
Einai2000:Half
Acts, Half Thoughts! Empty Belly, Full Plates!!
CarlzimC:This was predicted
in USA in the 1940 movies
Black Cat and I walked with a Zombie.
flyout79:
And in Austria the same starts up with pigs now.
juttaschmi:Help!
Einai2000:Half
Schizophrenic, Half Mad Cow!
juttaschmi:Half
man, half cow!
juttaschmi:Half
mad, half crazy!!
CarlzimC:These movies were
made by German immigrants - excellent insight.
Einai2000:Yes,
Sven! D'accord, Carl. The Old World, Europe itself, the Birth of Labour
and Capital, is already Half Alive, Half Dead! Half No-Good, Half-Bad!!
juttaschmi:(Can
you still eat "Nürnberger Bratwürstchen", Sven?)
flyout79:
no Würstchen at all. That is for sure. Except if you made them yourself.
juttaschmi:Can
you still eat eggs? Fruit? Vegetable?
flyout79:
Hardly any meat.
Einai2000:Here,
near the Bull-Ring, next to our Faculty, at the time of carnival, the poor
eat Half Hot Dog, Half McDonald.
flyout79:
The run is on Strauß, since January.
CarlzimC:We can still
eat excellent Wurstchen in New York City, USA.
juttaschmi:And
fruit/vegetable is poisoned with chemicals. Nice perspective.
flyout79:
McDonald's will be your death
juttaschmi:"Bad"
for McDonald's, indeed!
Einai2000:Carl,
the stress is on still! Canada might get it from Brazil,
and the USA from Canada. You mean Ostrich meat, Sven? And yet the minds
are already poisoned since millennia.
Einai2000:And
the White pot calls the kettle "Black"! Ebola, mad cow disease and AIDS
come from "Africa". What a "bad" logic!!!
juttaschmi:Poisoned
bodies and minds. Welcome to the third millennium!
flyout79:
And if Saddam throws one of his atomic bombs, there will be not one fish
left to eat, no "Gurke" left to enjoy..
juttaschmi:What
a perspective, Sven! "Good" for the pharmaceutical-agri-chemical complex
- they will have a point in trying to make ""artificial food" sound "reasonable".
Einai2000:Jutta,
Welcome to Uncle Tom's Cabin", to Uncle Sam's Last Supper! Bush will make
sure that Saddam throws his "gift" where Big Brother wants it to be thrown!
And that will be very "soon"!
Einai2000:Agreed,
Carl?
flyout79:
And wherever it is thrown. Let it be as far away as possible. It will have
effects all over the globus.
juttaschmi:Sven
and Carl: come and visit us in Mérida for some excellent "trucha"
(trout - Forelle)!
CarlzimC:I think Big Brother
will not allow the use of nuclear weapons in the Mideast-oil rich area.
juttaschmi:You
are right, Sven.
Einai2000:Sven,
does Saddam really have the "Old Man", the atomic bomb?
flyout79:
Wow. Forelle. Sounds good and "unverdorben", not putrefied.
juttaschmi:Drop
an atomic bomb anywhere, and the whole of the globe is affected.
CarlzimC:Jutta, delicious.
We love trout and salmon.
juttaschmi:Please
join us someday for an excellent trout!!
Einai2000:Or
will Israel throw it, Carl?
flyout79:
On earth, atomic weopons exist with that you could easily I think destroy
the earth one thousand times.
CarlzimC:We can convert
an entire area into anti-matter in microseconds.
juttaschmi:Once
again, you are right, Sven.
Einai2000:What
a Monster Man is? The Paragon Of Animals? Certainly not!! Folks, I have
to chat with my daughter in New York, within 15 minutes, could we stop
here for today?
juttaschmi:What
would that "look like", Carl?
juttaschmi:Okay,
Franz. Let us continue next Tuesday, then.
CarlzimC:Big Brother won't
allow Israel to use nuclear weapons.
flyout79:
Any area, Carl.
flyout79:
Settled area, desert, ocean, whatever we want.
Einai2000:Well,
Carl. Then the atomic bomb is a useless goodie, it cannot be thrown!
Einai2000:Why
so many of them?
flyout79:
It cannot be thrown by anyone.
Einai2000:To
play marbles with it? The problem is that it has been thrown twice already!!!
juttaschmi:Weapons
are made to be bought and used. That's their "logic".
CarlzimC:Psychological.
flyout79:
So many to make sure, that the "bad" guys don't throw any.
CarlzimC:So nobody throws
it.
Einai2000:Well,
then our lives hang on a string; this game, Throw or Not-Throw, is scary.
Accidents do happen in all Games, and we have had our mental atomic bomb
already. We cannot count more than One! I at least, as minimum, try to
teach you to count till Three!
juttaschmi:They
have thrown it on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
Einai2000:That's
what I meant, Jutta. Also on Sodom and Gomorah too. Sorry, Good Lord, you
did it!!
CarlzimC:USA has particle beam
weapons - can destroy any area in microseconds.
juttaschmi:Nice
perspectives, gentlemen!
flyout79:
There are test-explosions of atomic bombs in the Pacific until today.
CarlzimC:Can convert
matter to antimatter-energy without heat. No contamination
Einai2000:Sven,
no wonder that we have so many earthquakes and volcano eruptions. Well,
Carl. And you all still sleep deep in the USA!!! One day those toys will
have to be used; or they'll just go off by themselves! Too much of a "good"
thing is "no-good"!
juttaschmi:Folks,
let us come to an end for tonight.
Einai2000:Okay!
Emancipatory Greetings!
flyout79:
So I will speak out the official ending!
juttaschmi:I
have an empty stomach, and Franz still has a chat ahead with his daughter
Nandi in New York.
Einai2000:OK!
juttaschmi:Sven,
please speak out the official ending!
flyout79:
My stomach is sleeping already.
CarlzimC:Today, atomic
tests are for show. Particle beam can neutralize them.
Einai2000:Rosa
Mundi!
Einai2000:The
Last Waltz!
juttaschmi:I
wish you all a dark night.
CarlzimC:OK, folks. Till the
next chat.
flyout79:
Carl. I didn't know that.
flyout79:
and "what" throws the article beam?
Einai2000:At
least, we'll now know how dark the night can still be!
CarlzimC:Particle beam is shot
at target like a laser.
flyout79:
From what thing?
juttaschmi:Carl,
please send Sven and us URL's concerning particle beam weapons.
flyout79:
okay, but ...
Einai2000:What
about "Good-Bye", "Good-Night", "Good Sleep"!
juttaschmi:Related
to Tesla Technology.
flyout79:
What is needed to laser those particles. A Cannon?
flyout79:
Could a satellite also do this job?
Einai2000:"Good
Day!", "Good Luck!"
flyout79:
Good Life!
juttaschmi:Check
out www.cseti.org, if I'm not mistaken,
Sven. Read Colonel Bearden's papers.
CarlzimC:Folks, search
the web using HAARP, Montauk Project, Philadelphia Experiment and Nikola
Tesla.
juttaschmi:Exactly,
Carl.
flyout79:
thanx to u, Carl.
Einai2000:http://www.good.com
flyout79:
bye!
Einai2000:Bye!
Everybody!!!
juttaschmi:I
will search my archive and check, if I still have the documents Jeff sent
us.
juttaschmi:Dark
night!
Einai2000:Bye!
Sven!
flyout79 has left the room.
CarlzimC:Bye, folks.
Auf Wiedersehen!
juttaschmi:Bye
Carl.
Einai2000:Stark
Horizon!
juttaschmi:Was
a pleasure.
Einai2000:Tschuuuus!!!
CarlzimC has left the room.
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