Space, Time, Labour, Emancipation VII
What Produced Labour & Alienation?
What Comes "After" Capitalism?
Is The End Near? Armageddon? Heaven On Earth?
27th February, 2001
REVISED, EDITED, EXTENDED VERSION
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HI!
You have just entered room "panta98 Chat17."
CarlzimC has entered the room.
juttaschmi has entered the room.
juttaschmi:Hello
Carl, Hi Franz!
panta98:Hi! Carl & Jutta!
CarlzimC:Hi, Franz&Jutta.
Sorry I'm late.
juttaschmi:No
problem, Carl. - Iris sends her greetings, she cannot participate tonight.
juttaschmi:She
is in full preparation of her journey to Germany; she has to leave on Friday.
panta98:Never Mind! Where
two or three meet in our name, we are in the midst of them.
CarlzimC:Please send my greetings
to Iris.
juttaschmi:You
can definitely say so, Franz! - Thank you, Carl. I will send your greetings
to Iris.
CarlzimC: I checked ICQ. Nobody
else online.
panta98:Stella is overloaded
with University Work! And it is late and noisy in Mainz -- Carnival!!
juttaschmi:Also
Stella won't participate. She is exhausted with her university work and
also student jobs, that take almost all of her spare time available.
CarlzimC: I understand.
juttaschmi:About
Sven, I don't know if he will make it. And Steve said he would join, but
I don't see him on my list so far.
panta98:Anyhow, it does
not matter, We, The Three Musketeers, could hold up the Pandemonium Flag!!!
CarlzimC:Aux armes cityoens!
juttaschmi:We
will, Franz. Carl, by the way: thank you for your continuous, interesting
postings. I enjoy reading them very much!
CarlzimC:Franz, please introduce
tonight's topic.
juttaschmi:Franz,
please proceed with tonight's topic.
CarlzimC: You are welcome,
Jutta.
BRIEF INTRODUCTION
panta98:Folks, today, I'll
just make a short and sweet introduction.
juttaschmi:Fine
with us, Franz.
panta98:Bearden touches
a topic which is central for the development of the future fatherland,
If we understood him correctly, then Bush & the USA have two years
left to save mankind.
juttaschmi:According
to Bearden, yes, Franz.
panta98:If not, then by
2007, goodbye Carnival, Mardi Gras, Rio, United Nations, $, President,
Pentagon, Aliens, NASA, NATO, Illuminati, God, Man.
juttaschmi: So
to speak!
panta98:We are heading for
a total energetic, economic collapse. If he is "right", and there are very
strong indications not to doubt his "prophecy", then, we really would have
Popocatepetl under our "bums" very soon indeed.
panta98: Billions do not
have a foggy idea of what is going on -- they are still celebrating Carnival
on the sinking Titanic or Poseidon. And, even if you tell them what is
on the order of the day, they'll just kaugh at you, and go on with their
daily work and struggle.
juttaschmi:You
may well express this so, Franz.
juttaschmi:"They
fiddle, while Rome burns."
panta98:Probably, the offspring
of the Illuminati are already cloned, and they are celebrating the 4th
July fire-works in Space Settlements, awaiting the "blue planet" to turn
ashy.
panta98:Today, we'll not
go into the details of Bearden's Paper. This we will do next time, after
all of you have read it. We are just going to discuss the topic in a general,
generalized manner; to come into focus.
panta98:Well, folks, short
and sweet today, what do you really think about the coming "Armageddon"?
CarlzimC:I think the Illuminati
are divided on this issue.
juttaschmi:Okay,
Franz. - Let me just read back again, and I will be "on track again" ...
panta98:Your comments, Jutta?
CarlzimC:Proceed,
Jutta.
juttaschmi:What
is clear is, that the "energy crisis" Bearden is talking about is just
an appearance of another "crisis" on a global scale.
panta98:Which crisis, Jutta?
juttaschmi:You
could even say, the whole system, the whole labour process, has been in
a sort of a permanent "crisis".
CarlzimC:D'accord, Jutta
panta98:Agreed, Jutta.
juttaschmi: In
terms of the system, the concept "crisis" is involved, whenever they want
to suggest to the public, that something is not functioning "the way it
should".
panta98:Explain further,
please.
juttaschmi:Without
ever mentioning, that "crisis" is just an intrinsic part of the system,
just like war and devastation.
CarlzimC:One faction (The Armageddonites)
wants to reduce the Earth's population to a controllable
1 billion.
juttaschmi:
Economic
depression, social havoc, wars, fascism - all these compose the necessary
"counterpart" of "the welfare state, "peace", "democracy", etc.
panta98: Yes, Jutta.
juttaschmi:The
"energy crisis" is, firstly, one of the expressions of the current shift
in the system from the exploitation of physical to the exploitation of
intellectual labour, which, certainly, will be based on a different type
of energy.
juttaschmi:Secondly,
the "energy crisis" is not "the root of all evil", but only a manifestation
within the process.
CarlzimC:The other faction
wants to change the institutions of Capitalism, and eliminate the things
you mentioned to preserve existing humanity.
panta98:What different kind
of energy, Jutta? And what would be the affects and effects on life on
this planet as we know it -- as labour life?
juttaschmi:However,
within the context of Bearden's explanation of the energy crisis and also
taking
into consideration the solution that he is bringing up, there is a very
interesting thing I would like to point out: ...
CarlzimC:Proceed, Jutta
panta98:Yes, proceed.
juttaschmi: ... Bearden
clearly shows, how energy "as we have known it" is based on DESTRUCTION,
not on CONSTRUCTION.
juttaschmi:He
explains, that just a little fraction of the electrical energy that actually
is being "drawn" from any circuit, is being used, and that an incredible
amount is being wasted.
panta98: Excellent definition
of the essence of the world labour system, ab ovo ad armageddon!
panta98: And what is the system,
and how it functions, tell you about the labouring animal, about man. He
is not a creation of any extraterrestrial being: Labour created him, and
he created Labour. But, please, continue ....
juttaschmi:He
even shows, how the electrical power generating systems are self-destroying,
meaning, that the generation of power or energy is a DOUBLE destructive
process.
CarlzimC: Everything is being
wasted, including the food we eat.
juttaschmi:Not
only do they waste a huge amount of energy, but also the very devices that
are being built to generate it, are waste generators.
CarlzimC:Everything is self-destructive.
panta98: That's --
and always was -- the essence of goods, wares, merchandise, on the global
market -- they are produced not to last, not to satisfy human needs
for a long time -- their own destruction is already built-in, in
their very production process. Man, as ware, as merchandise himself, is
his own self-destructing process.
panta98: Man is not "a waste
of time", he is a waste of cosmic energy. This is another way of saying
that Labour, that He is exploiting Nature. As long as we do not tackle
the problem at its very roots, as we do not become "radical", derived from
radix,
from root, we will not see any light, will never be enlightened.
juttaschmi:This
is so "symptomatic" for the system, and also is an excellent example of
what we have been discussing with regard to the labour-process, Carl and
Franz.
CarlzimC: The system is waste.
juttaschmi:What
is clear indeed, firstly, is that we have a "clue" that another "modus
operandi" could also exist, that is not destructive, not self-destructive;
and, secondly, that the system has come to a point of no return,
where even sources are being "invoked", that have nothing at all to do
with the system itself anymore.
panta98:Yes, Carl, the New
World Order is a dust-bin, a sewerage system, a waste paper basket.
Interesting observations, Jutta. This indicates
a "radical" global, systemic change, but neither a palace nor an economic
revolution, something totally different.
CarlzimC:Two USA statisticians
proposed a system to eliminate all waste by bringing everything into statistical
control. They represented the "good works" Illuminati faction.
panta98:We all live like
rats in this quagmire, in this wonderful Global System. Carl, have those
"statisticians"
not yet learned that their very own "statistics" lie, that static "staticism"
is part of labour waste, of human wastage?
juttaschmi:What
Bearden does not know: The system will eliminate itself at the very moment
when it has to introduce something really "strange", something "out of
the system", something, that is not based on destruction.
panta98: Fascinating, Jutta.
Explain
this a little more, please.
juttaschmi:Carl,
could you imagine what an effect "free energy" would actually have on the
system? They could never ever allow "free energy" to be employed!
juttaschmi:The
"market principle", that is, capitalist economy, simply cannot operate
under such premises.
juttaschmi:Capitalism
is not about "free energy" or "free anything".
juttaschmi:Much
less, if this "free energy" has no market value, no exchange value whatsoever.
panta98: The only things
"free" in this system are free exploitation, domination and discrimination.
The power elite, previously called the "ruling class" or "imperialists",
will never allow "free energy" to become en vogue.
panta98: It will rather
prefer to perish first, in order to sell its own corpse to the "Black Hole"
of Hell, to its Matrix, in this case, to its Patrix, Labour. It will sell
the very rope with which it is hanging itself.
panta98: The "Illuminati",
whatever faction, are die-hards and make no dice, throw no
bones about profits. Capital, Capitalism,
Profits "illuminate" them, eliminate their way!
We saw the Via Crucis toward Rome,
well, that royal road continues today, and it will end up,
at 9,980 degrees F, in the glowing Sun, in
heavenly
Golgotha.
CarlzimC:The "good works" Illuminati
is developing a way to change Capitalism.
juttaschmi:"Goods",
"services", etc., etc., are not being produced for their USE value in the
first place, but for their "good" exchange value.
CarlzimC:That will change,
Jutta, if the 'good works" faction wins.
juttaschmi:Now,
capitalism based on "free energy", on "use value", would not be capitalism
anymore, Carl. I don't know, what it would be.
panta98: Carl, you know
that in the USA "the loser takes it all". Let's tell the "good"
Illuminati to "keep the change"! Well, it seems to me that Capitalism does
not serve the power elite anymore -- Poor Capitalism, like Feudalism before,
now it has even to believe in it, has to go down the drain! So, what
next? What do they have up their sleeve? Energetism??
CarlzimC: It wouldn't be capitalism.
juttaschmi:Good
question, Franz. - And agreed, Carl, it would not be Capitalism anymore.
CarlzimC:Franz, a new system
- no name.
juttaschmi:"Wastism"
?
juttaschmi:"Wasteism"
?
juttaschmi:"Self-Destructionism"
?
CarlzimC:A rapid deployment
agency that satisfies global needs immediately will replace the UN.
panta98: So, so. Well, Carl.
What then? What would follow? What could we expect from
50 millennia of "historic" experience with
Labour, with Labouring Man? Something worse than Barbarism, Savagery, Slavery,
Feudalism, Capitalism, Socialism, Terrorism, Communism??
panta98:Was all that not
already the limit? Oh, My God! Holy Smoke! We're in for something else!
CarlzimC:Franz, different ball
game. None of these things.
juttaschmi:UD
- "United Destructionism"
panta98:What's the name
of the game, Carl?
juttaschmi: USD
- United Self Destructionism, Franz.<
panta98: That "USD" sounds
like the age-old "US $". What would be its quintessence -- its "Pudelskern"??
panta98:What do you think,
Jutta?
CarlzimC:No name yet. The "good
works" faction is starting to support emancipatory creativity.
panta98: United Self-Destructionism,
that, it was all the way already! Lately, ever since the US launched the
first "colonial revolution" against British Royal Feudalism, and made its
own home-made "bourgeois-democratic revolution" against the South, this
global self-destruction process had gained tremendous momentum and impetus.
juttaschmi:I
think the "game" of the system is over, Franz. Nothing more "up its sleeve",
let alone aces.
juttaschmi:(as,
ases? or as, asses? or jack-asses?? )
CarlzimC: Internationalize
all music, e.g., Arabic music that appeals to Westerners ...
CarlzimC:
.... based on Arabic poetry
panta98: Carl, What? Emancipatory
Creativity? When I said that in previous chats, Iris wanted to roast me
alive! What do the Illuminati have up their sleeve? Now, they are systematically
invading "emancipatory" music; making rhythmic "profits"? Do we not have
enough "flex appeal" and "non-smoking" already?
juttaschmi:Carl,
when talking about the "good works faction" of the Illuminati, what exactly
do you mean?
CarlzimC: Some will join us,
because they can't beat us.
panta98:Carl, since when
do oil and water mix? We are very picky and choosy when it comes to our
feathers that make excellent birdies.
CarlzimC: Good works - positive,
creative faction.
panta98: Or worse even,
do fire and water join? This sounds dialectical! It's a "contradiction"!
juttaschmi:What
does the "good works faction" expect from the system in "the future", Carl?
panta98:I know there are
water-works and fire-works, but "wafi-works", no!
CarlzimC:Oil, fire and water
mix today. Negation and contradiction are passe.
juttaschmi:What
is the result of this composition, Carl?
panta98:Yes, in the Mideast:
All miracles come from Jerusalem, Bethlehem and Golgotha! And, Carl, when
Negation and Contradiction are passe, is not the system, the whole thing,
passe? Is this not what we are saying, are talking about?
CarlzimC: Visit www.arabia.com
-- Entertainment (music) discussion.
panta98:Well, Carl,
when Negation and Contradition are passe, then, at last, Superation, Neither-Nor
is celebrating its Naissance!
CarlzimC:Yep, Franz.
panta98:Neither Water Nor
Fire! Neither Power Nor Energy! Neither Christmas Nor Golgotha! Neither
Moguls Nor Bums! Now, we are getting somewhere.
juttaschmi: I
rather think the global holocaust is on the order of the day, Franz and
Carl.
CarlzimC: Arabic music consists
of Makems with different volumes, spaces and distances - lots of room for
creativity.
juttaschmi:The
system, if it is to "recover" somehow, has to enter a stage, where it comes
near to self-annihilation.
juttaschmi:-
I will have to check up my sound devices, Carl. Having trouble with my
sound-card and configuration. When I have solved this, I will listen to
Arab Music.
CarlzimC:Not necessarily so,
Jutta, it can be changed by circumventing it.
CarlzimC:Jutta, I think you'll
enjoy Arabic music. I have numerous CD's-Cheb Mami, Hakim, Ilham Al Madfai,
Fairuz.
juttaschmi:-
I definitely will have to get my sound system in order, Carl. I'm looking
forward to listening to Arabic music.
panta98: Well, Global Holocaust
is nothing new, Jutta & Carl. Labour is, always was, and will always
be the real Fascist, Nazi Holocaust -- that what has been portrayed as
Hell, Armageddon.
panta98: People just love
the "holy cow", love to work, love to go to work; they have no alternative
but to work; in Labour Pain, they work themselves to Death, toward Death,
they serve a life-time sentence of Hard Labour. That is the Holocaust in
which they live for millennia already, which they do not understand, for
this they have to study political economy and economic politics.
panta98: For that they have
no time, they have to work, have to go to work. They forgot what Jesus
had said: "Man Does Not Live By Bread Alone!" After all, feelings, emotions,
the heart, the soul, all these are important; thinking, theory, philosophy,
these are for the mad, stray dogs, for crazy professors. This the sytem
inculcated into billions of brains.
panta98: Their world, their
consciousness, is so limited, so small. And they would deny this, even
if you try very hard to explain this misery to them. What a man say? If
this does not "change radically", forget about a "new system", about God,
about the "Good Illuminati", about Emancipation!
juttaschmi:Carl,
the fact, that there have been "population control plans" - and not only
plans - for a long time shows, that the ruling classes of the globe have
no illusion about the "sacrifice" the system has to make in order to survive.
panta98:Over 5 billion people
are experiencing the holocaust everywhere, in Calcutta, Nairobi, Johannesburg,
Watts, Accra, Bombay, Lagos, Maputo, etc. They don't care whether in 2007
Hell would come or not; they live in Hell for centuries already! The "Blacks"
in South Africa have experienced a "black future" for over three centuries
already.
juttaschmi:You
do have a strong point there, Franz!
CarlzimC:There is opposition
within the Illuminati vs. the population control agenda.
juttaschmi:For
most dwellers of this planet, daily life is daily holocaust.
panta98:Many do not even
know that they are in hell -- they have never ever experienced anything
else in life, and never ever will. In fact, AIDS-infested, with all their
skinny might, they even defend their MAD Holy Cow, their "hell", they give
"revolutionaries", "missionaries", the "Red Cross", "Amnesty
International", and the "UN Peace Troops" -- people like "Che" or
"Mandela" -- a hell of a time.
juttaschmi:It
is just a "quantitative step" for the system to proceed toward physical
elimination of the Wretched of the Earth, Franz and Carl.
CarlzimC:Franz, do you think
if Capitalism never existed, there would be no wretched? Hard to believe.
panta98: Yes, Jutta, a "reconciliatory,
democratic" one, not a radical step. The Illuminati has no human feelings
or emotions to quarrel about how many use-less wage-slaves or paupers they
should kill; over the millennia, they slaughtered millions and millions
of "cattle" already. what is really their problem, Carl & Jutta?
juttaschmi:Only
a "chosen few" will be able to survive and have access to the kind of "food",
"air" and "water" that would still be available in a few years' time.
juttaschmi:It
seems they really don't have any "problem" at all, Franz. On the contrary.
The ruling classes never had that much of a problem. They just did what
they deemed necessary, and didn't care about any "Wretched of the Earth".
CarlzimC: The "good works"
faction thinks this will destroy the Illuminati too.
panta98: Carl, if labour,
that is, alienation, was not generated, if Man, the labouring animal, was
never born, then, there never ever would have been "wretched" living on
this planet. The answer is as simple, and as simply true as all that! As
long as man lives, there will be wretched on this globe. This is not
formal logics, it's simple, simplified scientific identification.
juttaschmi:Labour
is Destruction, which necessarily implies "wretched of the earth" - and
these are not only "humans", but animals, plants, water, air, ground, all
the "ingredients" that make up the planet.
CarlzimC:This world depopulation
was supposed to happen in 1973 when the Yom Kippur in the Mideast was started
to raise the price of oil to exorbitant amounts, then thereafter to spread
and cause a world nuclear war. ...
CarlzimC:
... But the world nuclear war didn't happen.
juttaschmi:They
have more sophisticated means today, Carl, and better controllable: electromagnetic
weaponry, which causes earthquakes, changes weather patterns and "induces"
volcanic activity, etc.
CarlzimC:The
weapons are not the issue.
juttaschmi:So
they can easily go through with their extinction plans, with the whole
"world" blaming Mother Nature.
panta98: Carl, how many
people know this? And, how many would "believe" what you say? Who knows
about HAARP and the MANHATTAN PROJECT? You see what I mean. Man himself
is essentially "wretched"; either he is a wealthy "wretch" or
he converts others into pauperized "wretched"; it's always: you or
me! Never a contradiction: You and Me!
panta98: It's envy, greed,
competition, accumulation, alienation, assassination, destruction -- since
the days of Cain till Bush -- who bombarded Iraq the other day? The infinitesimal
few exceptions just prove this global transhistoric "golden rule".
panta98: From Arabs who
kill Israelis, till Israelis who kill Arabs, that is the Mideast Desert
Tango!
juttaschmi: Point
of no return, Franz.
juttaschmi: It
is just that: destruction. We are not supposed to expect anything else
from it.
juttaschmi: Carl,
in how far are the weapons not the issue?
juttaschmi: Please
explain.
CarlzimC: On
www.arabia.com,
that nasty stuff only exists in the political forums.
panta98:I'm following,
please continue. ...
CarlzimC: Not
in the music forums.
juttaschmi:Carl,
please explain, in how far the weapons are not the issue - what you mentioned
earlier.
CarlzimC:Jutta,
the IIluminati have always been divided.
juttaschmi:Do
you think mass extincion of the Wretched of the Earth will take place by
other means?
panta98:Yes, Carl. "Carmen"
and "Bizet" are beautiful; but what about the poor "bull" in the ring which
they portray. Well, if that is music, then stop playing!
juttaschmi: If
they win, would the "good works faction" of the Illuminati still be "Illuminati"?
CarlzimC: If
the "good works" faction wins, no extinction by any means.
juttaschmi: What
does the "good works faction" (short: GWF) advocate?
panta98: Carl, is that "good
works" faction not an illusion; not divine, Christian wishful thinking?
panta98:Continuing, Carl.
To be good in this world always had the precise connotation, to be good
in grabbing, in lying, in being corrupt, in slaying, in being a national
hero in Vietnam, etc. Since when does "good" have another connotation?
CarlzimC: Jutta,
Preservation of world humanity by changing institutions.
CarlzimC: Unrelated
to religion.
juttaschmi:Also,
what is going to happen, I am afraid, is not up to a faction of the
ruling classes or of the Illuminati.
juttaschmi:Who
is the "World Humanity", Carl?
juttaschmi:This
is the decisive question: Who is the "World Humanity"?
CarlzimC:All people who live
on this planet.
juttaschmi:I
wish you were right, Carl.
juttaschmi:That
is, what they make everybody "believe", Carl.
CarlzimC: Franz, I'm using
"good" only so that readers of the chat transcript will understand it.
panta98:How many people
really "lived", are living on this planet? Lived a "good life"? A couple
thousands?
panta98:Or is that living
what billions experience?
panta98:And is that "good";
and are they therefore, "good people"?
juttaschmi:I
agree to your usage of the word "good", Carl, and also to Franz' "reminder"
of the problematic it contains. See our previous chats. No problem.
CarlzimC:This faction thinks
the "controllable 1 billion" cannot be controlled.
juttaschmi:To
the billions, who do not know any other way of "living" than below the
poverty line, it might just be "life", Franz.
CarlzimC:They are practical
people - Know how the universe works.
panta98:Why not, Carl? Why
are they out of order, out of control? And even the universe "works"? That's
another ideological, everyday expression. I know that you used it deliberately.
Official Language really gives us the full
"works"!
juttaschmi:Please
continue to explain, Carl. The GWF thinks, the controllable 1 billion cannot
be controlled. So, what is their conlusion?
juttaschmi:GWF
- Good Works Faction
juttaschmi:And,
Carl and Franz: What does "control" actually mean in this context?
CarlzimC:The GWF thinks the
other faction is incorrect and nuts.
panta98:Well, Jutta, that
is why they enjoy their beer, carnival, Good Friday, July 4th, Thanksgivings
Day! Capitalist Halloween! Bread and Games! A method of control, of relieving
them from their aggressive uncontrollable energy.
CarlzimC:That stuff is unrelated
to GWF.
juttaschmi:I
will enjoy a beer later tonight, Franz, and so join the Wretched of the
Earth!! ;-)
juttaschmi:I
return to my question: what does "control" exactly mean in this context?
panta98:One is only "nuts"
when one does not make money! What does the GWF grow? Pea-Nuts like some
US Presidents?
panta98: Or will they grow
a beard, trying to oppose each other, to non-contradict themselves? They
must live from something too, from what?
CarlzimC:Jutta, I'll enjoy
Felafel, hummus and batlowa (baklava) and matte tonight. Enjoy the beer.
panta98:Yes, Jutta. What
is "control"?
juttaschmi:I
certainly will, Carl. - Is Falafel Arabic Food?
juttaschmi:Franz,
"control" could consist of different levels ....
CarlzimC:Control = imposing
your will on others.
CarlzimC:Felafel
is Arabic and Israeli food.
juttaschmi:Exactly,
Carl. One of the levels of control is imposing the "will" (or rules) of
the ruling class on the Wretched of the Earth.
juttaschmi:-
Felafel sounds marvellous, Carl.
panta98:Well, well, I have
met very few people in 63 years who did not have this human quality, all
across the globe, somebody tries to control someone; parents their children,
husbands their wives, the boss his workers, the professor his students,
etc. Globally, and always, Control Is In! Will some GWF become chameleons,
foxes, changing their colour and hair only?
CarlzimC:The Israelis and Palestinians
eat Felafel in each other's restaurants. They fight, then eat Felafel together.
juttaschmi:
Israelis
and Palestinians remind me of the Merida students and the local police
force, Carl. They exchange stones and teargas bombs, and at noon, they
have lunch altogether.
CarlzimC:GWF are real. What
you see is what you get.
CarlzimC:Culture,
Jutta.
juttaschmi:That
is what I call culture, Carl.
panta98:Yes Jutta, the culture
of violence. Violence is human, is a social trait; it happened ever since
the ancient Stone Age pygmies shot poisoned arrows at each other, and the
Bushmen followed in the same venomous manner; today these weapons are just
more highly, more "technologically" developed; the brutal result
is the same.
CarlzimC: On the Mideast chats,
I'm being considered an outsider because I think like a Westener.
juttaschmi:
Who
were the tribes that would fight each other with bow and arrow, and, before
nightfall, the enemy parties involved would sort out their arrows, hand
them over to each other, exchange goodnight wishes and continue the fight
the next morning?
CarlzimC:Franz, did the Bushmen
and Pygmies eat lunch together?
panta98: Yes, Carl. Jutta,
those were the original "natives" of Southern Africa. From the ancient
Pygmies to the postmodern Bush-Men nothing has changed; I don't see how
it will ever change in the labour world.
panta98:I have no illusions
about this -- never mind reconciliation, democracy, and I don't know what
else. ...
juttaschmi:They
did, Carl. They sorted out their bows and arrows and the "enemies" wished
each other good luck for the coming fight!
CarlzimC:Franz, today, such
wars could lead to destruction of our planet.
juttaschmi:This
is what I call real courtesy!!
panta98:Yes, Carl. Killing
is a Human Sports -- and Human Sports is Human Killing!
juttaschmi:So
now, we have Killing = Shopping = Sports!!
panta98: Carl, Men are warlike,
are warriors, that is why they worry so much. Is the planet not destroyed
already, Carl? What is left of it?
CarlzimC:Arabic music focuses
on preservation of the earth's natural environment - a return to nature
CarlzimC:
Emancipatory.
juttaschmi:This
sounds very interesting, Carl. How have you become aware of this? Is your
Arabic advanced already?
panta98: Too late, Carl.
But, better "too late" than "never'! In South West Africa, in the 20th
Century, the Germans and Boers had a Sunday afternoon sports -- they went
out, not Fox Hunting, but Bush-Men Hunting! We should continue that sportlike
colonial tradition. Modern Fox and Bush Hunting!
juttaschmi:Does
Arabic music also focus on capitalism?
CarlzimC:Visiting the sites
- discussions and chats. Just started to leaarn Arabic.
juttaschmi:
Vimcente
Fox?
juttaschmi:Congratulations,
Carl. I admire your dynamic spirit!!
panta98:Well, Jutta, you
got the foxy message. Did you enjoy the "pun"!
juttaschmi: I
did, Franz! Let's go fox hunting and look behind the bush for it!
CarlzimC: Not Capitalism -love,
nature, passion, tragedy, joy.
panta98:Yeah! Ex
oriente lux: the Mideast is getting romantic: Thousand-And-One-Nights!
Flying Carpets.
juttaschmi:Ain't
no bush without a fox behind it.
panta98:No smoking without
a Spitfire!
juttaschmi:Ain't
no Fox beatin' around the bush, Franz!
CarlzimC: Islamic banking with
Mudarabah forbids interest-loans based on projected future success, not
credit rading.
panta98:That's the problem,
the GWF beat too much around the Bush.
juttaschmi:Carl,
do the young Arabic singers have sort of a "global vision" about what is
going on?
CarlzimC: Turkey is an exception
- Western Capitalist banking.
juttaschmi:-
Ain't no use beating around the bush, Franz. That way, you will never hit
it! -
panta98: Agreed, Jutta.
I'm following, Carl.
juttaschmi :How
do the banks work without interest, Carl?
juttaschmi:That
is the very "raison d'étre" of a bank.
CarlzimC: Islamic bank just
breaks even - They think they will rewarded in Heaven.
juttaschmi:Wow!
That is not, what I understand by the concept "bank", Carl.
CarlzimC:Yes, Franz, but most
Arabic singers don't get involved in politics-They work with Jews, North
and South Americans, Europeans, etc.
panta98:Now, in this context,
coming back to the "Bearden" prophecy, does he have his data straight?
Are we heading towards a world economic collapse within 5 years?
panta98:Are there indications,
signs on the wall?
juttaschmi:With
or without "energy crisis", the world economic collapse will come, Franz.
panta98:Why, Jutta? Why
now?
juttaschmi:-
Progressive fall of the profit rates, progressive monopolization of capital
- the economic collapse is "around the corneer".
panta98:I see, Carl. But,
not to be politically conscious, they will run into the open fire of the
Mideast Armageddon.
CarlzimC:There are variations
- Murabaha bank buys equipment at cost, and user pays back at higher cost.
juttaschmi:They
lend money without interest and think they will be rewarded in Heaven!
Not even the Vatican can compare with the Arabic banks then!
CarlzimC:They're politically
conscious but they think politics hampers their creativity
panta98:Yes, Jutta, the
Bank of Ambrosia does not make charity bargains with the Mafia. Anyhow,
folks, the Soviet Union collapsed like a huge bag of rotten potatoes, just
like that, suddenly and swiftly. I wonder what a fall it would be my country(wo)men
when one "good" morning I wake up, and the United Brutality Association
overnight has crashed like a wounded, old elephant bull. Strange things
happen on this planet, like bolts from the blue, when least expected.
CarlzimC:The Arabic banks may
thrive when world Capitalism ends.
juttaschmi:I'd
rather have another couple of quiet, serene nights and days, Franz.
CarlzimC: Franz, ... and is
transofmed into another system.
juttaschmi:Probably
so, Carl. - If there is another system "left" by then.
panta98:Carl, Banking is
the handmaiden of Capitalism; the Wedding March, accompanied by Arabic
Music, would continue; at least, that Nostradamus foretold!
CarlzimC:Capitalism survived
because it overcame its contradictions.
juttaschmi:Capitalism
survived because it consists of contradictions.
CarlzimC: It may undergo drastic
transformation to survive in some form.
panta98:Well, then it survived
its own Death! What a Horror that would follow!
juttaschmi:Correctly
so, Franz! - Agreed, Carl.
panta98: Like a Galactic
Dracula, A Chinese Dragon! Poor clones, alphas and omegas!
juttaschmi:It
might survive "in some form" for another while.
juttaschmi:Dracula
- what an appropriate picture of capitalism,, Franz.
panta98: With Dracula, Capitalism
portrayed its own future: a living dead, a deadly living!
CarlzimC: Excuse me folks,
I need to pick up Fran at bus stop. I'll return soon
panta98: Thanks to Bram
Stoker, at least, he stoked the fire, and still produced some smoke, smoking!
Bye! Laila Tiaba!
juttaschmi: Gentlemen,
my "energy", although "free", is weakening...
panta98:OK! Carl. We'll
read Bearden, and continue next week.
juttaschmi:..
we will continue next time.
panta98:OK! Carl. Greetings
to Fran!
juttaschmi:OK,
Carl. Send our regards to Fran, please.
panta98:See you next week!
juttaschmi:Goodnight.
I enjoyed the chat.
panta98:Totsiens!
panta98:Auf Wiedersehen!
juttaschmi:Totsiens,
Franz.
panta98:Hasta la Vista!
CarlzimC: Laila Tiaba!
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